View Full Version : Those good old Westboro Baptists are at it again!
Tempest
10-26-2007, 5:25 AM
Click for instant anger! (http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_7277523?source=most_viewed)
This is un-fucking-believable. These people have been protesting the funerals of troop casualties from the Iraq war for over a year now, and they're still allowed to do it. They can cite freedom of speech all they want, this is absolute bullshit. Freedom of speech is a privilege that you only get to use if you can do it without disrupting other peoples' personal rights. Not only do people have the right to be homosexual if they want (Apparently all these soldiers are dying because god hates gay people), but they have the right to attend a peaceful funeral for their fucking family members who died protecting this precious freedom of speech. It makes my goddamn stomach turn to read about this bullshit, they're giving 5 year old kids who don't even know what homosexuality IS signs and telling them that these people are dying because god doesn't approve of the choices America has made. The entire idea of Freedom of Speech, as well, is that the state has the power to place certain limitations, as stated in the first amendment. I think it's about time SOME state puts the fucking axe through this hate group, because if I ever see some 5 year old kid around MY house holding a sign that says "Semper Fi Fags" at a soldier's funeral, I'll give them a good reason to believe God really does hate America, or at least their little section of it.
Chrona
10-26-2007, 5:33 AM
People like these are why I prefer the death penalty. They should be executed as terrorists for opposing their country based on religious beliefs. So should Bush, that might put an end to all of this bullshit.
I vote we all take a day off from work, show up in MILLIONS around their main church, with signs saying things like "God hates the intolerant" or "Burn in hell, haters" just to show them their own stupidity.
BadAnkle
10-26-2007, 6:28 AM
The family that runs Westboro Baptist is made up largely of lawyers. I believe that the whole point of it is to try to goad someone into assaulting them so they can sue them.
Chardon07
10-26-2007, 6:31 AM
I have a couple cousins over in Iraq right now, and if anything happened to them and if they went to there funeral and staged a protest with those signs.I think i would honestly kill them.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6UMP3AK5jwo
that makes me sick "Thank God for dead soldiers"
In that video she get owned by that guy from Fox News
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BZGKx2pTBQc
that makes me feel slightly better. They are all in a fan and their window gets broken
ilovebrownies
10-26-2007, 6:34 AM
Church members said they are motivated by the fear of God and their need to warn America about its moral decay, rather than a desire to hurt anyone.
Why are certain religions based on fear and self oppression? Shouldn't we be focusing on not making life miserable for the very people who secure our freedom and safety?
Freedom of speech is thanks in large to those soldiers and many like them.
Sublyminal
10-26-2007, 8:31 AM
You have to hand it to the Westbro Baptists church; they are devoted to their religion. To be fair all they are doing is following the bible to the letter. If anything it is a testament to just how messed up the bible is as supposed to them.
AngelRedFlame
10-26-2007, 8:42 AM
I won't be surprised when they start barging in on the funerals, and pissing on the graves during the ceremony. How can someone think it's okay to protest at a funeral? Would they like it if a group of individuals that opposed their religion went to one of their funerals, holding offensive signs? Ugh, Weren't they raised with any morals?
It disgusts me to see things like this.
Audioslave
10-26-2007, 8:51 AM
There was an awesome Michael Moore clip where he followed them around, it was for his TV show....
aha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u3F4n_t2Mw
There was an awesome Michael Moore clip where he followed them around, it was for his TV show....
aha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u3F4n_t2Mw
Hah, that was awesome.
I absolutely cannot understand why the hell they're protesting at funerals of 'soldiers killed in Iraq or Afghanistan'. Did I miss something? I didn't read anything about this guy being gay/dying of AIDS or anything remotely related.
There was an awesome Michael Moore clip where he followed them around, it was for his TV show....
aha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u3F4n_t2Mw
That was possibly the best thing I have ever seen it my life.
"Sodomobile", haha.
Audioslave
10-26-2007, 9:36 AM
Hah, that was awesome.
I absolutely cannot understand why the hell they're protesting at funerals of 'soldiers killed in Iraq or Afghanistan'. Did I miss something? I didn't read anything about this guy being gay/dying of AIDS or anything remotely related.
I think it's pretty obvious that God is making the Iraqi insurgents kill American troops because America is a godless country thanks to all the gays.
Thanks alot :mad:
El Mojado
10-26-2007, 9:51 AM
It just wants me to go and play some Brujeria loud near there church. I'm am pissed off becuase of that. If a soldire dies, its better to shut the fuck up and mourn then to protest about a war. I am pretty fucking pissed, some people abuse the freedom of speech and protest.
Who wants to join me by playing Death Metal/Black Metal/Satanic Metal near there church? As in protest, against there fucking religon. :mad:
(I'm not even suppose to be on right now. I'm at school. I bet there are watching me :argh:. ITS LIKE HAVING BIG BROTHER WATCHING ME!)
Pixored
10-26-2007, 10:02 AM
America needs MOAR of those baptists, americans are such fags.
El Mojado
10-26-2007, 10:08 AM
If you don't like this god damn country then get the fuck out :gtfo:. I come from a 1st generation of immigrants, and I appriciate America. If it wasn't for those soldires putting their lives on the line you would be saying that. You would of had Hitler or some other fucking fag ruling you.
Pixored
10-26-2007, 10:25 AM
I'm not in america, gtfo'ing is not nessesary.
GTFO immigrant.
Audioslave
10-26-2007, 11:25 AM
You're both retarded.
Nobody needs this pack of scurvy running around, but at the same time, the "If you don't like the country GTFO" thing is so childish. They do have the right to protest and say what they want, but it's human decency to not protest at funerals. And don't buff up your country with the whole "If it wasn't for us, yadda yadda yadda." When's the last time you heard a Canadian saying "If it weren't for us, you wouldn't have won the battle of Normandy, therefore losing WWII, yadda yadda yadda" (This is true, look it up.)
Cocktapus
10-26-2007, 11:37 AM
Some of them came to my school when an alum died in Iraq.
I'd bet that if someone killed them, the police wouldn't bother trying to find out who.
Honestly, I'm surprised nobody's shot them yet. Wouldn't be too difficult and you'd be hailed as a hero.
Infammo
10-26-2007, 11:51 AM
Despite my mounting hatred for those people, I think legal action against them is wrong. Freedom of speech is not a privilege, its an inalienable right. It really sucks when some rotten to the core extrememists ruin something created for the good of everyone. If I lived near them I'd keep an eye out in the paper for every wedding or funeral announcement their members have, then I'd crash it with some carefully worded picket signs of my own.
Legal action against them isn't the solution. Did Rambo use legal action? Hell no. Just go Rambo-style on them.
Spastic
10-26-2007, 12:17 PM
I really can't believe these people have gotten away with it for so long, it is complete and udder bullshit. I hope they lose this suit, and that there are more to come whenever they do this shit. This fucking cult is unbelievable.
JamesKPolk
10-26-2007, 1:04 PM
Yeah, I think the only possible action to take is eye-to-eyeish crashing of one and every of their family member's funerals. Christians (especially in America) often make me sick. They don't know a thing about love they preach so much about. They are supposed to love all people equally and not to judge anyone, which they don't, more than that, anger is a deadly sin, and I am sure there are many more parts of their own bible that would own them and make them the ones that are going to go to Hell.
Intestiny Destiny
10-26-2007, 1:51 PM
Something interesting while I was looking them up...
http://cjonline.com/webindepth/phelps/stories/080394_phelps02.shtml
Well at least two of their sons feel ashamed to be apart of the family.
Beefynick
10-26-2007, 2:21 PM
These people are so stupid. I understand freedom of religion and support it along with freedom of speech, but this goes too far. Any person deserves the right to be buried in peace with honor and respect. To me these people are extremely disrespectful. I do not care if you think that God is targeting America because of gays, there are other ways to get your message across than harassing the family of a dead soldier at his funeral.
If these people ever showed up to a funeral I was attending I would make it hard for them to get their message across. There are ways to get rid of them without actually assaulting them.
SlowCheetah
10-26-2007, 2:53 PM
Wow, these people are sick. Who the hell do they think they think they are protesting peoples funerals. It's obvious they don't care about hurting people. How can a religion be formed on such hatred?
I think people should go to the funerals of people who die in the religion and picket them. Wait.. fuck picketing, they should have a celebration right at the front door or some shit. See how they like their funerals being disrupted and disgraced like that.
Tempest
10-26-2007, 2:58 PM
Despite my mounting hatred for those people, I think legal action against them is wrong. Freedom of speech is not a privilege, its an inalienable right. It really sucks when some rotten to the core extrememists ruin something created for the good of everyone. If I lived near them I'd keep an eye out in the paper for every wedding or funeral announcement their members have, then I'd crash it with some carefully worded picket signs of my own.
If you want to follow the constitution and bill of rights to an absolute T, such as they do, then they've actually committed various crimes. There have been various instances of them burning and stepping on American flags during their so-called protests. The thing about those inalienable rights is that once you start infringing on the rights of others, you lose your own. If we're being technical with it, still, they've committed treason various times while protesting George W. Bush, most notably during his inauguration. They are constantly performing what could easily be taken as terrorism and harassment at all times. There are, clearly, too many examples of this, but I'm sure I can scrounge up a few.
When Kevin Oldham, a homosexual musician died, the leader of the Westboro Baptist Church mailed Oldham's parents a picture of Oldham, with the caption Kevin Oldham: Dead Fag. The first act that really got them noticed by the public was when they picketed the funeral of a man who was beaten to death by two men for being homosexual. Fine, that's all good, they picketed his funeral, lets just act like there's nothing wrong with that. What was wrong was when the leader of the church, Fred Phelps Senior, actually invaded the funeral during the memorial service, and called the murdered man's mother a mother from hell, and that she'd soon be joining them.
You're right that these rights are supposed to be inalienable, but there are provisions within the amendment itself that state you are not allowed to infringe on another's inalienable rights. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal". I guess Phelps must not have read too much of the Constitution and Bill of Rights that he uses to blanket himself from trouble, since he seems to place homosexuals on a lower scale than the rest of the world, but I can understand, that first paragraph sure is a hard one to miss!
History
10-26-2007, 4:10 PM
These people are terrible, and something should be done, but nothing will. As soon as a court case steps on "limiting" freedom of speech, people go crazy. Hate speech is unfortunately completely legal, hence Nazi and KKK rallies that still happen. Both groups even anounce when they are coming to a certain town, (they did it in my hometown). Although the town protested and tried to stop them, they were protected by the right of free speech. Basically the only limits are you can't scream fire in a crowded theater, you can not use libel or slander (untrue statements about a person presented as facts), and you can not use speech that will lead to imminent or unavoidable violence. Personally, I'm all for limiting the first amendment and abolishing hate speech, but I doubt it will happen in the near future.
Growlypantz
10-26-2007, 4:11 PM
Fred Phelps has a right to say what he wants, obviously, but he DOESN'T have a right to infringe on other people's rights. Shouldn't those people be allowed to mourn in peace? For fuck's sake, there's a time and place for everything, and funerals are not the time or the place to protest.
If picketing at funerals is apparently just dandy, then I say when that old fuck finally drops dead, we get millions of gay people and U.S. soldiers to picket at his funeral. Give that family one funeral protest they'll never forget.
Axidos
10-26-2007, 4:23 PM
This is fucking sick. Shouldn't a religious group teach discipline of some form? Respect for the dead? Or just some basic self-control?
In that video she get owned by that guy from Fox News
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BZGKx2pTBQc
that makes me feel slightly better. They are all in a fan and their window gets broken
This actually makes me like Fox News slightly now.
If picketing at funerals is apparently just dandy, then I say when that old fuck finally drops dead, we get millions of gay people and U.S. soldiers to picket at his funeral. Give that family one funeral protest they'll never forget.
Hear hear, Growlypantz. It's no less than I can see them deserving.
And after all, it's no less than they teach in their church - treat your brother the way you'd want to be treated, right? They're not hypocrites, are they? Oh wait.
Tempest
10-26-2007, 5:01 PM
I never said them picketing was right -- Giving little kids hateful signs is fucking ridiculous -- I simply said that even IF their picketing was somehow justified, their invasion of funerals and disrespect to the dead is not.
Start A Riot
10-26-2007, 5:31 PM
On their Church's website, they have a "Send Comments" thing.
Someone really needs to just start an effort to get as many hate-comments sent to them as possible.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/contact.html
On their Church's website, they have a "Send Comments" thing.
Someone really needs to just start an effort to get as many hate-comments sent to them as possible.
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/contact.html
Right, because spamming them with "ZOMG! U GAISZ SUXORSZ!" a hundred times definitely will send a streaming, powerful message.
In any case, the court ruling should come out against them on the basis that families and the dead deserve some god damn peace. And if it doesn't, well, at least most of them are old and frail.
You have to hand it to the Westbro Baptists church; they are devoted to their religion. To be fair all they are doing is following the bible to the letter.
No, they're not. They're taking one small part of it, twisting its meaning, and blowing it up to unnecessary proportions, while ignoring everything else the bible says. If they were really following the bible, they would be against the war because of the killing, (thou shalt not kill) not because America is a "fag" country.
Mr. Crow
10-26-2007, 7:52 PM
Actually, Kass, god repeatedly orders for his followers to go out an kill everyone that doesn't believe in him. "Thou Shalt Not Kill" only concerns people who believe in your god.
Jallen
10-26-2007, 8:27 PM
I just talked about the Westboro Baptist Church today in my Global Studies class when we were talking about protests. My teacher said he was surprised that Fred Phelps hasn't been assassinated yet.
Start A Riot
10-26-2007, 8:33 PM
Right, because spamming them with "ZOMG! U GAISZ SUXORSZ!" a hundred times definitely will send a streaming, powerful message.
In any case, the court ruling should come out against them on the basis that families and the dead deserve some god damn peace. And if it doesn't, well, at least most of them are old and frail.
No...I meant get too much traffic on the site and let them deal with that for a while.
The church only has around 60-70 "official" members so they can't handle that much at once.
Whorelock
10-27-2007, 1:18 AM
People don't realise how terrible this world really is. I thought only a miniscule amount of people were homophobic, but I was so wrong. I'm moving to an all boys college next year, and I was so suprised about how many people wont even talk to me anymore, saying I'm going to be 'queer'. It sickens and angers me how nasty people can be, and hide behind religion. There's also people who hide behind religion, even if they are athiest. A girl in my science class said "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Adam" though I know for a fact she is not christian. I'm so dissapointed with this planet.
Tyler_Legrand
10-27-2007, 1:31 AM
God also sure didn't make capitalism
That's fucking bullshit. I mean, they've been doing this for a while now, but, come the fuck on. Take a break. We know what you believe, but, we don't care. You'd think they'd understand it by now, and, I've heard of good ol' fashion American ignorance, but these guys take it to a new level. I hope a cross falls on one of them and kills them. That'd seriously own.
slurba
10-27-2007, 11:51 PM
I find it ironic and a bit humorous that they protest because of America's "tolerance" to homosexuals, but if America wasn't tolerant like they want it to be, they would be shot and/or hung. It makes my blood boil that these people are so unappreciative for their stupid rights.
I find it ironic and a bit humorous that they protest because of America's "tolerance" to homosexuals, but if America wasn't tolerant like they want it to be, they would be shot and/or hung. It makes my blood boil that these people are so unappreciative for their stupid rights.
I hardly consider our rights stupid. Abusing them, on the other hand, is incredibly stupid.
Nigel
10-28-2007, 12:11 AM
These guys are good for the country, they help you realize what really matters.
Whorelock
10-28-2007, 12:15 AM
These guys are good for the country, they help you realize what really matters.
I seriously hope you mean that people realise homosexuals deserve their rights.
slurba
10-28-2007, 12:43 AM
I hardly consider our rights stupid. Abusing them, on the other hand, is incredibly stupid.
I meant the fact that they hide behind the right. I'm agreeing with you, freedom of speech is great, but abusing it to have hate speech sucks.
Clerlic
10-28-2007, 2:46 AM
They should be put in cages and zoo's under the name "Homo Idioticus"
Poonze
10-28-2007, 3:40 AM
I think taking them out violently probably would not be the best idea. Should anything too violent happen, then they would probably gain more popularity amongst the hard core conservatives who actually believe half of this crap. Taking them out legally would probably be the best way to do it, as much as I would love to shove my foot up one of their asses.
Also, I was watching an older interview on youtube that they did with one of the high up ladies, and from what it seems to me is that they pretty much follow most of the old testament more then anything else. These people also claim to hate Catholics and Jews.
Do not people of the Judaistic faith study the old testament also?
(Not to compare religions. I think Christianity would be embarrassed about this group of interbreeding rednecks being associated with them.)
Cristo
10-28-2007, 9:44 AM
I'd bet that if someone killed them, the police wouldn't bother trying to find out who.
Honestly, I'm surprised nobody's shot them yet. Wouldn't be too difficult and you'd be hailed as a hero.
I saw a documentary on the family called "Louis Theroux: The Most Hated Family in America" and there was a scene where he's with them and interviewing them during a protest by this funeral and this bunch of University students drive-by in a pick-up truck and nail one of the 9 year old protesting kids in the head with a Supersized Milkshake. It was HILARIOUS because the protesters started freaking out and were like "OMG THIS IS TERRIBLE! HOW OUTRAGEOUS! THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT US LOUIS, THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT US!!". I wonder WHY they treat you like that.
Yeah poor kid, but how fucking hypocritical. And you can see Louis's expression through the whole documentary just set in a permanent state of :bangkill:
Syzrael
10-28-2007, 9:45 AM
Anyone feel like changing the 1st Amendment a little? Something like "Freedom of religion and freedom of speech, unless you're an ignorant, inbred redneck who thinks that disrupting funerals is good fun."
BBsKey
10-28-2007, 3:03 PM
Someone famous said ones and I can not quote him correctly because I forgot who he was . But he said something along these lines .
I do not approve of what you say but I would die for your right to say it.
Yeah its stupid ignorant and off very very bad taste but freedom of speech ist too important to mess with.
The only way to deal with such morons is better education and time.
Ohh and btw Micheal Moore is an jackass and one hell of an band wagon jumper.
BadAnkle
10-28-2007, 3:11 PM
Well, freedom of speech is not unlimited. The Constitution does not guarantee the right to talk about bombs on an airplane or yell, "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater.
The question is this: Where does my right to free speech end, and your right to the pursuit of happiness begin? People have said that this family is stupid. They're evil, yes, but they are anything but stupid. They stay just barely on the right side of being technically legal, and from there they try to goad their victims into doing something they can sue over. Remember, the second you lay a fingertip on one of these assholes, you've committed assault, and they have grounds for a lawsuit.
That's how they support the church. It all comes from lawsuits. It's not like they're having bake sales. Can you think of one person you've ever met that would donate money to these pricks? Even the most diehard of homophobes gets riled up when they start picketing funerals of servicemen.
I think the whole thing is a scam. I don't think they actually believe that bullshit. Think about it, and try to come up with a public stance that would piss off more people without being an obvious troll. You can't. It's too perfectly awful; it has to be contrived.
Someone famous said ones and I can not quote him correctly because I forgot who he was . But he said something along these lines .
I do not approve of what you say but I would die for your right to say it.
That quote is often attributed to Voltaire, the French writer and philosopher. He never really said or wrote that, though. It's actually from The Friends of Voltaire, a book written about him by Evelyn Beatrice Hall.
StrikeTwelve
10-28-2007, 3:14 PM
I've always believed that too, someone should put up a "Do not feed the troll"-sign next to their church.
Cristo
10-28-2007, 5:23 PM
I think the Mob should just exterminate the whole family.
I'd like to see them get a lawsuit on assault and battery then, hah!
hipeechic
10-28-2007, 7:15 PM
Our constitution has magnificently protected our freedom of speech, with some exceptions. Unfortunately gay people have no rights in regards to their sexuality, and it's guaranteed that if someone who is gay protests for their rights and/or professes their sexuality, you can be assured that someone will be there to speak out against it. You see this with the abortion topic as well. Both divide the US more than any other topic of today.
Even though these people make the effort to speak out at the funerals of troops, we all have the right to speak out against them. Only there is no one doing it.
mhale71
10-28-2007, 11:37 PM
I have a couple cousins over in Iraq right now, and if anything happened to them and if they went to there funeral and staged a protest with those signs.I think i would honestly kill them.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6UMP3AK5jwo
that makes me sick "Thank God for dead soldiers"
In that video she get owned by that guy from Fox News
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BZGKx2pTBQc
that makes me feel slightly better. They are all in a fan and their window gets broken
Just to comment on that first video, It annoys me always, how arguments in tv shows like that, both people are always talking at the same time, normally the sane reporter will wait to say something... But that bloody bitch just kept interrupting him with her annoying voice every time he was about to raise a valid point! And when he finally managed to get through "what are your sins?", he kinda trapped her.
Also, Im Not quite sure whats happening in that second video but it looks like theyre outnumbered and are trying to escape from getting their arses kicked? And piling into a van which is being escorted away and someone breaks their window. Honestly, that ammount of people would be able to flip a van on its side.
Badankle has an interesting point; that theyre just trying to get someone to sue, and I think thats pretty lowball as well.. like pretending to slip and fall in a supermarket and then sueing the company, or running out in the middle of a highway and sueing the driver that hits you.
By that logic however, if you went to one of their church services/sermens, acting all gay, you could theroetically sue the living shit out of them when they tried to forse you to leave...?
But Really, does anyone live near this place? I cant (Australia), But couldnt one of you just do something like take the plates off your motorbike or car.. go to one of the events and beat one of them up and then make a quick escape?
OR, I just got reminded of something I saw in the news a while ago, about a drunken prank some people did on a church, What they did was they stole a goat, slaughterred it in the church and spread its guts all over the place and drew a massive pentagram with its blood. I will try and find the article.. someone do that!..
HappinessMan
10-29-2007, 2:36 AM
I saw a documentary on the family called "Louis Theroux: The Most Hated Family in America" and there was a scene where he's with them and interviewing them during a protest by this funeral and this bunch of University students drive-by in a pick-up truck and nail one of the 9 year old protesting kids in the head with a Supersized Milkshake. It was HILARIOUS because the protesters started freaking out and were like "OMG THIS IS TERRIBLE! HOW OUTRAGEOUS! THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT US LOUIS, THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT US!!". I wonder WHY they treat you like that.
Yeah poor kid, but how fucking hypocritical. And you can see Louis's expression through the whole documentary just set in a permanent state of :bangkill:
I saw the documentary on HBO. God it was entertaining. They are insane people. I hope however, its the only "violent" action ever taken to these people. If violence were to escalate, their power would rise. Use Micheal Moore's tactics and bring them to a humilating defeat.
BadAnkle
10-29-2007, 7:12 AM
Even though these people make the effort to speak out at the funerals of troops, we all have the right to speak out against them. Only there is no one doing it.
Google "Patriot Guard Riders".
There are plenty of people speaking out against the WBC. The Patriot Guard are just one of the more active groups.
Jesus Christ. I'm all for freedom of speech. I'm all for being able to offend people. The way I see it anyone that may get offended should just suck it up or choke trying. Some people need to just grow a pair of balls.
That said, fuck these people. I'm so tired of ignorant pricks speaking louder than intelligent people. I think it's the right and obligation of inteligent people that see these ignorant, holier-than-thou fuckers to be louder and more devoted than them. Injustice is so widespread through this country and this world because those who have a sense of what is right don't have balls anymore. Instead of acting out, we post shit on the internet and hope we're making a difference. There's not much we here can do about this. I'm mainly speaking in general terms. But if everyone would stand up for what they believe, I can guarantee you these misled Bible-thumpers would have been shut up a long time ago.
I am homosexual
10-29-2007, 7:34 PM
Eventually, Christians, especially fundamentalist ones, will have to learn that the ultimate law in this country is the Constitution, not the Bible.
The Phelps family makes me rather annoyed, but not really upset. I'm gay, and I'm used to this kind of crap coming from a lot of places. There are always going to be attention whores like them picking on people just because they're different. I mean, if there were purple people with three butts, they'd be picking on them.
Time for a shrug.
Pieman
10-29-2007, 7:42 PM
Someone mentioned that some of their family members were lawyers. Anyone else the the irony in that? Protesting sodomy... Then making a proffesion of sending people to get sodomized?
Yeah, I think the only possible action to take is eye-to-eyeish crashing of one and every of their family member's funerals. Christians (especially in America) often make me sick. They don't know a thing about love they preach so much about. They are supposed to love all people equally and not to judge anyone, which they don't, more than that, anger is a deadly sin, and I am sure there are many more parts of their own bible that would own them and make them the ones that are going to go to Hell.
As much as I agree with you, you are forgetting that for every Christian extremist crashing funerals, there are 10 that truly believe believe their doctrine, and hold it dear.
Unfortunately, your more likely to hear about people disrupting funerals that "Christian man makes peace with gay neighbor."
I also would hate to have dinner with those Westboro people... If you don't get it, read Ezekiel 4:12-15. Which simply states that god told man to make his bread with human crap, and when man objected, god said "Fine, use cow shit instead."
Just goes to show you that following the bible to the letter isn't allways a good idea...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071031/ap_on_re_us/funeral_protests_7
Finally, somebody cracked down on these bastards. Protesting a funeral is going way too far, in any situation.
Ciaran.
10-31-2007, 6:12 PM
That the God Hates America people?
Channel 4's documentary about it was great. If you didn't see it, it was Keith Allen slagging them alot.
Arseholes.
Milamber
10-31-2007, 6:41 PM
As couchpotato said above, the WBC just got fined $11.9 million. They greeted the news with "tight lipped smiles".
They are so fucked up. I've been following them for a year or so and I am always so shocked how people can be like this "in the name of god". It's good that something finally happened to them. I hope their whole family of nutjobs have to live off scraps after getting fined for so much. Hopefully their kids can be taken away in that case and de-brainwashed before it is too late.
As couchpotato said above, the WBC just got fined $11.9 million. They greeted the news with "tight lipped smiles".
They are so fucked up. I've been following them for a year or so and I am always so shocked how people can be like this "in the name of god". It's good that something finally happened to them. I hope their whole family of nutjobs have to live off scraps after getting fined for so much. Hopefully their kids can be taken away in that case and de-brainwashed before it is too late.
I doubt there ever going to pay any of that money, and no way there going to pay it any time soon.
Even after all the appeals are over, and all that fun stuff, there most likely just going to refuse to pay, file for bankruptcy, or something like that. Really, there just happy for the publicity.
They will have no power if you kill 'em all. And good luck pressing charges.
Seriodor
10-31-2007, 9:12 PM
Wow, these guys get a double whammy for not only A.) Being intolerant bastards. but B.) Telling the father of a brave man, that it was a good thing that he died. :blanky:
Android
11-01-2007, 8:15 AM
The Westboro Baptist church has been around for a long time. They have been protesting gay funerals and liberal education institutions. They protested every single graduation of my former college. Once, they were protesting the funeral of a gay person and someone accidentally "clipped" Fred Phelps with his car as he was driving away.
They protested every single graduation of my former college.
Because it's considered a liberal institution? What classifies as a liberal institution?
BadAnkle
11-01-2007, 8:37 AM
Because it's considered a liberal institution? What classifies as a liberal institution?
I would imagine they mean any institution that doesn't share their attitude towards gays. I can't think of any school that wouldn't be seen as liberal to these people, though.
Android
11-01-2007, 8:41 AM
My former college used to be part of the Southern Baptist Convention. The student Senate of the school realized that under the Student Bill of Rights, gays were not guaranteed any kind of protection against discrimination. Because that issue was even being debated and other rules were being ignored (like visitation hours for the opposite sex), the Baptist Convention threatened to withhold the money they gave to the school annually. Instead, the college decided to leave the Baptist Convention and become a more secular Liberal Arts College (which is what I was told it was from the beginning).
Now every speaker which comes to the college is protested by Phelps and crew, as is every graduation ceremony.
My former college used to be part of the Southern Baptist Convention. The student Senate of the school realized that under the Student Bill of Rights, gays were not guaranteed any kind of protection against discrimination. Because that issue was even being debated and other rules were being ignored (like visitation hours for the opposite sex), the Baptist Convention threatened to withhold the money they gave to the school annually. Instead, the college decided to leave the Baptist Convention and become a more secular Liberal Arts College (which is what I was told it was from the beginning).
Now every speaker which comes to the college is protested by Phelps and crew, as is every graduation ceremony.
Do you live near them? That must be shitty.
Android
11-01-2007, 8:48 AM
Their church is in Topeka, Ks and I live just outside of Kansas City, Mo. It's an hour and a half or so away from where I live.
Bible Belt America? Geez I never knew Andy. My condolences. Also, that's pretty close to where Dennis Rader lived. Awesome.
I'd love to know their inner workings. How do they know of all these events? Do they have a schedule of things to protest?
BadAnkle
11-01-2007, 9:00 AM
Do you live near them? That must be shitty.
You don't have to live close to them; they get around. I live in eastern PA, and they came up to protest at my mother's church. I took part in the counter-"protest". We welcomed them warmly; as it was a hot day, we served them cold drinks and cookies and brought out folding chairs for them (they did not accept them). Eventually, a group of flaming queens showed up with those big ostrich-feather fans and provided them with a cool breeze.
They didn't stick around long.
Cristo
11-01-2007, 9:07 AM
I also would hate to have dinner with those Westboro people... If you don't get it, read Ezekiel 4:12-15. Which simply states that god told man to make his bread with human crap, and when man objected, god said "Fine, use cow shit instead."
You read it wrong, either deliberately or by mistake I don't know.
What it means is that they should bake the bread with human dung fueling the fire, not that they put human dung in the dough and knead it all together.
Edit: Sorry. We're both right/wrong. It depends what interpretation you read.
Khrogg
11-01-2007, 9:17 AM
This is why trying to spread a religion should be highly (5 years per demonstration) illegal. That's the perfect solution: You're freely allowed to practice your own religion, but you can't spread it to others.
This is why trying to spread a religion should be highly (5 years per demonstration) illegal. That's the perfect solution: You're freely allowed to practice your own religion, but you can't spread it to others.
That wouldn't work. What classifies as "spreading" religion? Would an outside ceremony be illegal now? How about catholic orphanages?
As much as I hate religion being forced down my throat, I understand why some people protests what they do. I am completely pro-choice, but I understand why Catholics protest abortion centers. If you know their dogma, it makes sense for them to be so angry about it.
Instead, strict laws forbidding protests at certain events should be in place. A federal law forbidding protests at all wakes and funerals should be put in place. There are other events that should not be protested, such as marriages/civil unions.
Religions need to be spread to be kept alive. People just need to have a sense of decensy when spreading their religion. Personally, i have found that only about 1% of strictly religious people were aggressive in their converting, however it is that 1% that sticks out so much. If these people want to say that god is killing the service men, then its their right to. However, they should have the common decency not to protest a hero's funeral.
To sum it all up, NSFW (http://www.clumsycrooks.com/media/files6/pictures/free_speech.jpg)
EDIT: spelling errors.
Metal Angel
11-01-2007, 2:10 PM
Does this mean I have freedom of speach to walk into a church with a sign that says 'God is a faggot, look forward to eternal sodomy'?
Because really, I have as much proof as they have in their views. Absolutely none.
I hate fanatics. It doesn't matter what religion they practice (if any), if they preach hatred or commit violence in the name of their idologies without any basis in reality then they deserve to be tortured to death. All at the same time, in front of each other.
And really they can't complain, because their God will protect them. If he really cared for them he'd save them all. Right?
And I don't understand why anyone would fear God if they are doing his so-called bidding. He's supposed to be a loving God that forgives all. It's an oxymoron, and everyone who believes in it is a complete retard.
BadAnkle
11-01-2007, 2:13 PM
I am completely pro-choice, but I understand why Catholics protest abortion centers. If you know their dogma, it makes sense for them to be so angry about it.
It pisses me off when people who protest abortion call themselves Christian. In most cases, they don't really qualify, except in a Dark Age Catholicism sort of way.
Read this (http://waiterrant.net/?p=477); it sums up my attitude pretty well. The set-up is a bit long, so keep reading until you get to the story about his godfather.
Ramstien
11-03-2007, 1:42 AM
Enjoy your freedom of speech. In Australia, we aren't even allowed a fucking phone call if you get arrested. Hell, even airsoft is banned.
Cristo
11-03-2007, 2:44 AM
Yeah the impression I've been getting of Australia lately is you guys are really conservative, and a bit of a nanny state.
Ziggy St. Valentine
11-03-2007, 3:43 AM
Enjoy your freedom of speech. In Australia, we aren't even allowed a fucking phone call if you get arrested. Hell, even airsoft is banned.
Obviously you've never been arrested...or the cops in your town really do not like you.
Ramstien
11-03-2007, 6:43 AM
Obviously you've never been arrested...or the cops in your town really do not like you.
I live in Perth, aka the place that is more remote then that incest village in Africa where everyone has only 2 toes. I'm not surprised they hate us, it sucks here.
Slanski
11-03-2007, 1:30 PM
This is the documentary that Cristo mentioned:
Louis Theroux - The Most Hated Family In America (http://stage6.divx.com/user/tidyboy/video/1632736/Louis-Theroux---The-Most-Hated-Family-in-America)
I think their attitudes and comments are self-explanatory (especially the situations involving children and the pastor) so if you have 58 minutes of free time, you might find it interesting.
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