Obama knows about, and supports, net neutrality [Archive]

BadAnkle

10-31-2007, 8:03 AM

I seriously didnt know MTV hosted that kind of programming? In Aus all we get is shitty shows inbetween stale music videos.Holy shit! The show music videos on MTV in Australia? They haven't done that here since the mid '90s.

And Obama is black as well which is a big step forward for the US.I'd like to see a black president, but it's important that the first black president not be a fuck-up. I like Obama, but I'm concerned that the next president is going to have to deal with the fall-out from Bush's time in office. It could actually hurt the cause of black people, as Fox News will spend the next four years trying to exonerate Bush, and that will involve pinning the blame for the aftermath of the Iraq war on Bush's successor.

Tempest

10-31-2007, 3:12 PM

Holy shit! The show music videos on MTV in Australia? They haven't done that here since the mid '90s.

No way man, on Total Request Live they show.. clips.. of music videos?

Anyway, Obama is my favorite candidate right now, just because of his views on.. well, everything. But I don't know if he should be president. Why? Simple. He will most likely be killed. There are several hundreds of thousands of people in America who are still racist, and I worry for his safety should he be elected into office. The Secret Service is good, but they can't always protect a president, and there will be people who are VERY determined to get Obama out of office.

Mirrorman

10-31-2007, 3:15 PM

Wow. Everyone in the states, vote for that guy! It sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

Raxo

10-31-2007, 3:27 PM

jewishjosh

10-31-2007, 3:33 PM

COLBERT-PUTIN '08

I'd love to see Obama in office for the same reasons as Tempest. Does America have the balls to elect him? Sadly, I think not. Ah well, another four years of being a proud Canadian.

He won't get killed or anything, people will just bend over backwards to find an excuse not to vote for a black candidate.

HappinessMan

10-31-2007, 3:48 PM

Obama has been, and probably always will be my favorite canidate. He can actually pull this country back from what Bush started.

Cristo

10-31-2007, 3:53 PM

No way man, on Total Request Live they show.. clips.. of music videos?

Anyway, Obama is my favorite candidate right now, just because of his views on.. well, everything. But I don't know if he should be president. Why? Simple. He will most likely be killed. There are several hundreds of thousands of people in America who are still racist, and I worry for his safety should he be elected into office. The Secret Service is good, but they can't always protect a president, and there will be people who are VERY determined to get Obama out of office.

I highly doubt a bunch of redneck hicks could pull themselves away from their NASCAR and Country Music to get organised and professional enough to pull something like that off.

Tempest

10-31-2007, 3:53 PM

I really don't think Obama has a high chance of being killed. In fact that sounds pretty stupid. Many people would want to kill him but none of them would actually do it. It's not like it would be easy anyway. No one would be THAT determined. Don't you think that the Secret Service would know and would always try to keep him extra protected?

http://obits.eons.com/obits/tributes/john_f_kennedy/1432-4-photo.jpg
:indiff:

I just don't think America is prepared for a black president yet, as sad as that sounds. The best plan for Obama would be to team up with Kucinich and become his running mate. They both share almost all of their ideals, and if he were to be vice president first, it would definitely open some doors up.

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I highly doubt a bunch of redneck hicks could pull themselves away from their NASCAR and Country Music to get organised and professional enough to pull something like that off.
"Rednecks" and "Hicks" make up a very small percentage of racist people in America. :ahe: It's pretty close-minded to assume that everyone who is racist lives in the backwaters of Louisiana.

Bosskid

10-31-2007, 4:05 PM

I hope the States will embrace him with equality, and not an uprise of racism and hate crimes...

TheLameSauce

10-31-2007, 4:25 PM

"Rednecks" and "Hicks" make up a very small percentage of racist people in America. :ahe: It's pretty close-minded to assume that everyone who is racist lives in the backwaters of Louisiana.

You obviously have never been to Jackson Michigan. You don't have to live in the south to be a total redneck/hick. There are plenty were I live in the good 'ol North.
Personally, I believe anyone who's racist has earned themselves the terms redneck and hick, because they're reflecting the ignorance that those names suggest.

But back on topic, I've always thought that Obama was the most competent person running for office. He scares me though, but I'll spare you my reasons.

spaj

10-31-2007, 4:32 PM

If Obama faces potential racist threats then god knows what the anti-feminist women and self-centered men will do to Hilary. It's a risk they're going to have to take, and if they survive the full four (to possibly eight) years it will change the course of American history.

meTalmessiah

10-31-2007, 4:39 PM

Obama would be a great president in my opinion, or at least better than Hillary. Sure, it'll be tough to clean up the mess after the Iraq War, but what if he does it? That's a victory for both the USA and black Americans. If Obama is the tentative, cautious first black president, and he does well, that will inspire and encourage many different races and more candidates from them to run for president.

Also, Clinton scares me.

Raxo

10-31-2007, 4:56 PM

BBsKey

10-31-2007, 6:45 PM

Tempest

10-31-2007, 6:55 PM

AL Gore for president '08

Obama would be a great change from Bush in his views, which I agree on, and he would be the best choice out of the cluster fuck of Democratic candidates with Edwards a close second.

If you think Obama is the best choice than Dennis Kucinich should be your second. :indiff: Their views are almost identical, with differentiation in a few subjects. (Like, for example, Obama focuses more on racial issues as well. Obviously.) We need a democrat though, and all you Republicans are sure to yap yap my ear off. Grand Ol' Party my ass. We're coming down off a huge economic slump, as well as the ending of a war that many Americans believe shouldn't even have started, and Bush has shown us quite clearly that he's only slightly able to handle those two things combined.

Lets not forget also that Eisenhower and Nixon were the only Republicans who managed to LOWER the National Deficit during their terms, where it hasn't gone up during a single Democrat's terms. The facts are all there, my friends. Go donkey.

meTalmessiah

10-31-2007, 8:08 PM

There will not be a black President.
The fact that everyone mentions he is black and that it is a big think and such makes me an unbeliever of a black President.
White Cristians will lead america for the next 25 Years at least, maybe 50.

Thomas Jefferson said it would take 500 years, at LEAST, to populate the United States as far as California. Big things happen, even if they seem very unlikely.

TheLameSauce

10-31-2007, 8:13 PM

There will not be a black President.
The fact that everyone mentions he is black and that it is a big think and such makes me an unbeliever of a black President.
White Cristians will lead america for the next 25 Years at least, maybe 50.

I think a good number of his vote actually will be just because he's competent and black. And I'm also sure that these votes will be almost equal between white and black voters. The general public has shown itself quite ready for change. Youth in the last 20 or so years have been defiant of nearly everything considered "traditional" over the last hundred years. Which brings me to my second point. Do you really believe that after all the Christian bashing brought on by Bush's presidency, that the majority of people will want a Christian president? People hate Christians now.

BadAnkle

10-31-2007, 8:20 PM

Thomas Jefferson said it would take 500 years, at LEAST, to populate the United States as far as California. Big things happen, even if they seem very unlikely.

In all fairness to Jefferson, there are some states in the midwest where the population isn't exactly dense.

I agree with you, though; The U.S. is ready to elect a black president. Twenty years ago, people would have voted for a horse if it was running against black guy. Now, however, the majority of Americans understand just how seriously one president can fuck things up. If a black person is clearly the best candidate, people will vote for him.

A black woman president is still a ways off, though.

Dodger

10-31-2007, 8:30 PM

That's just it though, Obama and Hillary aren't the ideal democratic candidate. Dennis Kucinich represents and supports almost the entire democratic platform, but people are going for Obama/Hillary just because he's/she's black/female. I'm not saying that a black man or woman shouldn't be president, but vote for whoever actually stands up for what you believe in. Don't just join the bandwagon.

It's just emphasizing the hypocrisy of modern politics. As for republicans, most of them don't even know Guliani is pro-choice and pro-gay rights. No wonder he's leading.

Tempest

10-31-2007, 8:31 PM

In all fairness to Jefferson, there are some states in the midwest where the population isn't exactly dense.

I agree with you, though; The U.S. is ready to elect a black president. Twenty years ago, people would have voted for a horse if it was running against black guy. Now, however, the majority of Americans understand just how seriously one president can fuck things up. If a black person is clearly the best candidate, people will vote for him.

A black woman president is still a ways off, though.

I don't know if I fully agree with this. While I agree that a black candidate has just as much of a shot at winning the election as a white candidate, that still doesn't mean we're completely ready for one. It just means a majority of people are. As I said earlier, there are still too many people fully set in their ways to change. While I don't know if anyone would make an attempt on Obama's life, there would be a good fourth of the country who very, very much disagrees with him being president. I think this racism issues need to be addressed and smoothed out before we appoint a black president, which is why I believe it's a good idea for Obama to go for Vice President first. We've already had a black Secretary of State, which is a strong step in the right direction, but this might just be too big of a jump for some people to deal with.

EDIT: Forgot to add this part. It may even be difficult for Obama to get anything properly done, were he elected in 2008. The United States will be so busy dealing with division over the racial issue that we might lose sight of the bigger picture.

gimp

10-31-2007, 8:58 PM

See, someone like Jesse Jackson makes "exposing and dealing with racism" his daily bread and butter, but I believe Obama can focus on important things and give only passing attention to stupid shit that resolves itself over time.

BadAnkle

10-31-2007, 9:08 PM

I don't know if I fully agree with this. While I agree that a black candidate has just as much of a shot at winning the election as a white candidate, that still doesn't mean we're completely ready for one. It just means a majority of people are. As I said earlier, there are still too many people fully set in their ways to change. While I don't know if anyone would make an attempt on Obama's life, there would be a good fourth of the country who very, very much disagrees with him being president. I think this racism issues need to be addressed and smoothed out before we appoint a black president, which is why I believe it's a good idea for Obama to go for Vice President first. We've already had a black Secretary of State, which is a strong step in the right direction, but this might just be too big of a jump for some people to deal with.

EDIT: Forgot to add this part. It may even be difficult for Obama to get anything properly done, were he elected in 2008. The United States will be so busy dealing with division over the racial issue that we might lose sight of the bigger picture.

I don't know if you've seen Bush's approval rating recently, but more than half of the population strongly disapproves of his presidency. He still manages to get things done, because he has seized a lot of additional power for the office of president.

Anyway, I wasn't really saying that everyone is ready for a black president. I think you'll agree, though, that enough people are ready that Obama could get elected.

Drover700

10-31-2007, 9:09 PM

I don't think the US will be ready for a black president until he isn't just pinned as a black president. It doesn't matter. What's gonna change? Can anyone think of anything? Becuase I can't.
And don't tell me 'Hey stupid we know it doesn't matter what color he/she is.' Everyone knows that but then why must you always point it out.

A lot of candidates have a myspace, though I doubt it's acutally them running their myspace.

BBsKey

10-31-2007, 9:47 PM

And don't tell me 'Hey stupid we know it doesn't matter what color he/she is.' Everyone knows that but then why must you always point it out.

Yeah that is what I mean.
Even people who would swear they are not racist carry subconcius fear around.They will not Vote for him.
Then of course the racist people will not vote for him.
Maybe my image of the US is fucked up from all the anti US propaganda we love so much in Europe.
I would be glad if you be able to show us all but I really do not believe in it.

TheLameSauce

10-31-2007, 9:57 PM

The trouble with not acknowledging his race is that it will never be insignificant until after someone who isn't white is elected. Until then, people will be interested in the fact that we could have our first black president.

Jallen

10-31-2007, 10:32 PM

I say Obama or Edwards, but not Clinton.

My dad doesn't like Obama because he's too much of an idealist. I'm like...what the hell is wrong with being an idealist? Our best presidents (LBJ, Bill Clinton, JFK) have been idealists. I think he may be mistaken ont he word "Idealist."

History

11-01-2007, 11:57 AM

I'm curious to know why you guys think that the United States is more willing to vote a woman into office than a black man. The milestones were reached first by blacks, suffrage, "equality", etc. Women's rights have always come second. I don't think it's unheard of to have a black president by any means. Plus, with the electoral college alive and well, Obama stands a pretty good chance of winning, if he makes it through the primaries, since many of the more conservative states, excluding Texas, don't get too many E.C. votes.

BadAnkle

11-01-2007, 12:13 PM

I'm curious to know why you guys think that the United States is more willing to vote a woman into office than a black man.

I don't think that's the case. I just think that a black woman might be too much for some people to handle, because she would offend both sexists and racists.

Cristo

11-01-2007, 12:16 PM

Do you know what would be even harder to handle for America?

A muslim, black lesbian candidate. Bloody hell.

Ziggy St. Valentine

11-01-2007, 9:00 PM

Do you know what would be even harder to handle for America?

A muslim, black lesbian candidate. Bloody hell.

Wouldn't happen, a mate of mine who happens to be muslim told me that they can't be homosexual or 'Allah will punish them'...religion makes my brain hurt.

Tyler_Legrand

11-05-2007, 9:27 AM

Black female president?

Oprah Winfrey.

Niki

11-05-2007, 10:18 AM

You obviously have never been to Jackson Michigan. You don't have to live in the south to be a total redneck/hick.

.. Excuse me?
I live in Michigan and I've lived in Jackson. Not everyone there is a fucking redneck. Eat a dick.

Anyway, I always thought a good idea would be for Obama to be Clinton's running mate or vice versa. I know there's almost no chance they'd get elected, but if they did it'd be a huge step forward.

I just hope he gets elected. I liked him before, but the net neutrality thing pretty much makes my mind up.

Zephyrus

11-05-2007, 11:51 AM

I like Obama except for one little thing: He shows no respect for the American flag. He will not hold his hand over his heart and not recite the pledge of allegiance. That is one of the reasons why I might not vote for him.

It's hard to imagine a President that can't even respect his country enough to honor the flag.

RaygunShaun

07-02-2009, 8:42 PM

Good bump.

He will not hold his hand over his heart and not recite the pledge of allegiance. That is one of the reasons why I might not vote for him.

That motherfucker should do his research. It wasn't the Pledge of Allegiance. It was the national anthem, and you don't even have to hold your hand over your heart for that bitch.

Aramon

07-02-2009, 8:52 PM

If you don't hold your hand over your heart during the National Anthem, just to be nice to other people, you are telling them that they are better than you. That they can walk on you. He bowed to a leader in the middle east. That wasn't a sign of respect, it was a sign of submission, per customs in the middle east. Do your own fucking research. And also, this isn't about that crap, this thread was about Net Neutrality, and should be closed and/or dumped in my opinion, being two years old and no reason to chat about it anymore.