BioShock

[NitRoDrivEn]

Oh my GOD! This game is a fucking masterpiece ladies and gentleman. A fucking masterpiece!

Atmosphere is stunning, freedom is insane, the graphics are breath-taking and the gameplay.... ooooh the gameplay.

I'm at a complete loss of words. Go fucking play it.

[ryivan]

Couldn't of said it better myself, it's a work of art. Now, for every Xbox user who claims the whole "HALO 3 is t3h coolest game OHEMGEZZ!", you can simply shake your head, and say "Bioshock."

[CreamScreamer]

I have to say, throwing random things at people to kill them is rather entertaining. Also, the graphics are the best I've seen. But yeah, amazing game.

[opn4bzns]

I want to play this so much. :wail:
But, it's too big to download (from steam, don't infract me for piracy), and being a young little shit, I can't buy it in stores until October.

[Kwanza]

Nitro guy summed it up. The game is an work of atmospheric art. It had me trembling the first few minutes into Rapture, and I'm addicted.

I haven't gotten very far in, but glancing at the set of achievements speaks to me that I still have a lot of gameplay I haven't even neared yet. I can't wait.

[SWiTCH]

I can't get the damn thing to work correctly on my pc. Unless I disable DX10.
But I won't stand for that!
So now I gotta troubleshoot and cry.

[opn4bzns]

Awesome, downloading the demo unmetered.
Will a 6800 run it ok?

[Tempest]

I am going to have to wait until Friday to buy it, as I've already spent too much money this week off my paycheck.. But it was taunting me at the store today. :(

[Rob]

36% downloaded on Steam!!

I'm staying up all night so I can play it the instant it hits 100.

[Derelict]

FUCKING AWESOME GAME! The different plasmids! The big daddies! The fucking awesome physics! Holy shit, the only way I was able to put the controller down was my box over-heating from playing too much.

GOD I FUCKING LOVE YOU, BIOSHOCK!

Rob, it's fucking worth buying.

[Rob]

Good because I bought it.

[ryivan]

Ha... xbox... overheating. Im all set for an all weekend period on my PC :D

[Dr. Mumbo]

I can't play it because my goddamned 360 is still in Texas, getting repaired. Again. I even have the nice and shiny case sitting right in front of me, this is torture.

[Slade8]

Couldn't of said it better myself, it's a work of art. Now, for every Xbox user who claims the whole "HALO 3 is t3h coolest game OHEMGEZZ!", you can simply shake your head, and say "Bioshock."

Halo 3 and Bioshock are equally good. Half Life 2 is among them. And Oblivion... that game is the best. Period. It may not be graphically the best, but it's gameplay just kicks ass.

[Kwanza]

How can you even say that? Halo 3 isn't even out (it's going to suck)

[Derelict]

Ha... xbox... overheating. Im all set for an all weekend period on my PC :D

Well hey fuck you I bet my Xbox is way better than your stupid PC.

+Also, I think Bioshock is WAY better than Halo 3 will be. WAY BETTER!

[NitRoDrivEn]

Just to make a few of you confident, here are my computer specs:
- Intel P4 3.0GHz - old school, not Prescott
- 2 GB of RAM
- GeForce 6800 128MB (overclocked and tweaked to high heaven, mind you)

I was able to run the game at 1024x768 resolution with everything set to HIGH and ON at 30-35 frames per second (very playable), sans DX10 of course. :wail:

[Thursdae]

We should have a bioshock help thread? Maybes? I just finished that Vector (the 7 of each item potion thing)

I play xbox version.

[snap1o5]

Is the 360 worth buying just to play Bioshock? I played the demo at my friends house and was stunned, but is it worth 400 dollars?

[Deadhotkiller]

i was just about to make a thread about this. im agreeing with everyone else in this thread, fucking awesome.

[Kwanza]

Is the 360 worth buying just to play Bioshock? I played the demo at my friends house and was stunned, but is it worth 400 dollars?
I'd look into it more and see if there's X360 exclusives that interest you as well. If it's just for Bioshock, you're better off getting it for PC if your PC can handle it. If it can't, X360 is cheaper than a top-of-the-line PC.

[opn4bzns]

Just to make a few of you confident, here are my computer specs:
- Intel P4 3.0GHz - old school, not Prescott
- 2 GB of RAM
- GeForce 6800 128MB (overclocked and tweaked to high heaven, mind you)

I was able to run the game at 1024x768 resolution with everything set to HIGH and ON at 30-35 frames per second (very playable), sans DX10 of course. :wail:

Same actually, except my processor is 3.2ghz and a Pentium D, and my 6800 has 256mb. It runs beautifully. Fucking fantastic game.

[snap1o5]

Yeah, I was trying to download the demo for my pc, but I don't think the requirements are quite up to snuff. Does it require Vista? Because if so, then that might be the case, since I don't have that.

[deadchild90]

How can you even say that? Halo 3 isn't even out (it's going to suck)

BLASPHIMY

[opn4bzns]

Yeah, I was trying to download the demo for my pc, but I don't think the requirements are quite up to snuff. Does it require Vista?

No. It plays worse on Vista actually.
You do get dx10 on Vista though, but it's not that different.

[FallOutBoySucks]

I just started it today. I gotta say I agree. The graphics are amazing. They're even better than Gears Of War in my opinion. Plus it's actually a fun game. I gotta give credit where credit is due.

[Trashcat]

I got it today; man, this game is intense to a degree I didn't think possible. The suspense and sense of urgency in the battles is absolutely insane.

The Big Daddies really make the game. They're boss battles in their own right, and -nothing- brings them down easily; the sense of accomplishment you get when one of these beasts finally goes down is overwhelming.

Edit: I decided I'd give people who haven't played some insight on the Big Daddies; here's what I went through to defeat -one-.

First I stunned it with my freeze power. Then I threw down a target dummy to distract it. Now I pump a full clip of armor-piercing machine gun rounds into it. It's health is down to about 4/5. Shit. It kills the dummy, turns on me, I fire 3 grenades at it from my launcher. Now it's down to 3/5. It backhands me, slams me into the wall, I use a medkit and reload the machine gun; set it on fire with my incinerating power, let it's heath burn while I put another clip into it. It's down to about 1/4. It fires a grenade launcher at me, I catch the grenade with telekinesis, throw it back, drop it's health a bit more, then empty my final clip, armor-piercing pistol shots (12 bullets) and it dies.

[SLjimbolian]

I sooooooo wanna download this, but I'm pretty certain it will buttrape my computer into oblivion since I have a 4-year old Dell Latitude laptop.

[ryivan]

Well, its now nearly mid day, i just woke up after playing Bioshock into the wee hours of the morning. It's fantastic. Currently running it on my PC, DX10 and the graphics are incredible and runs so damn smoothly. The story is compelling, the characters are unique and interesting and the combat has so many variations and different ways to do things, it never becomes tiresome. This game deserves all the 10 / 10's it gets.

[Kwanza]

Developers have lost their touch for amazing storylines and characters in games lately, but this game really pulls it off. The characters are so dynamic, so round. You can't believe how immersive it really is until you play it.

[hardcoresk8r69]

I peed a little when I first saw the water in this game.

This is game of the year material

[Rob]

I peed a little when I first saw the water in this game.


So far it seems like the water effects are hit or miss. A lot of stuff like ripples are realistic, but then there's awful looking waterfalls and barrels that shoot bright blue lines when you shoot holes in them.

[DamnDude]

I am very disappointed in the developers regarding this game, the game itself is great, but they put SecuRom in every CD for the PC game, which installs a Root Kit into your computer that cannot be uninstalled without formatting the computer.

Also, you can only install each game twice, if you want to have it on two computers in your house, you have to uninstall it in the first one, and after that you cant ever install it again, for example if your computer crashes.

And due to the Root Kit, many game players will endure problems with playing the game because of anti-virus programs, because this is, well, considered a virus, an uninstallable virus. Sony had this SecuRom on some of their music CD's back in the day, and had a ton of lawsuits because its illegal to install unwanted, uninstallable software on ones computer.

That being said, I really want this game, but Im not buying it for the PC (I dont have a console).

[Kwanza]

So far it seems like the water effects are hit or miss. A lot of stuff like ripples are realistic, but then there's awful looking waterfalls and barrels that shoot bright blue lines when you shoot holes in them.
Agreed. Near the first part where the plane cockpit crashes into the tunnel you're walking through, and it floods? For a pre-made thing, it looked pretty cool. After that, it just started looking cheesy, but at least they tried.

[hardcoresk8r69]

To whomever it may concern:
Do not underestimate the camera, take pictures of all the monsters.

Eventually you will unlock 'exclusive' tonics and do more damage to the monster you research(take pictures of).

[Rob]

Do not underestimate the camera, take pictures of all the monsters.


I keep forgetting I have a camera. I get too caught up in killing everyone.

I'll try to remember though.

[I_Smell]

So who's killing the little sisters and who's saving them?
I'd probably kill the first few, then save as many as possible.

[Trashcat]

Yeah, you cannot miss the camera. You get physical and combat tonics for taking pictures, that shit isn't to be underestimated.

As for I_smell's question, I've saved every little sister so far.


I'm also getting pretty good at killing Big Daddies; I can take one down and only have to use maybe two medkits now.

[HappinessMan]

I'm buying this game when I get my paycheck. I finally played the Demo, and it had me hooked.

[dark ride196]

holy shit.

[Derelict]

So who's killing the little sisters and who's saving them?
I'd probably kill the first few, then save as many as possible.

I saved the first two because I felt it necessary, but after a while I decided I'd rather have more ADAM so I just harvested them.
I'm also getting pretty good at killing Big Daddies; I can take one down and only have to use maybe two medkits now.
It's amazing how even after you start to master the combat system of the game, the big daddies are still a huge threat. Even when you manage to find a way to take one down easily, the next one is still just as hard.

[TriSlash]

I didn't even know Steam had it! That's what i get for turning off it's auto boot. Bought it and downloading it now. Didn't bother with the demo, i've heard enough and seen enough videos to get it. Glad it's available for lazy non X-box owners :D.
2% :o

[hardcoresk8r69]

Just beat the mofo, I have to say that the story is something to look into. I suggest you all get this game, it's worth upgrading your pc for.

I now have to kill all the little sisters... and see the second ending, goodbye. By the way, listen to all the diaries because they all retain useful and interesting information.

[Far]

Just beat the mofo, I have to say that the story is something to look into. I suggest you all get this game, it's worth upgrading your pc for.


The game may be amazing and whatever but the fact that it can't be played on shader 2.0 cards is horse shit. Fortunately someone is currently working on a work around for that but it makes the load times around 8 minutes for each load screen. The fact that they didn't allow shader 2.0 cards while so many current and upcoming games do is bull.

[BKS]

If you save the little sisters, you get occasional "Awards".


I was stupid, saved them all up to my current point, except one.

[DarkMountain]

Game looks cool, played the Demo yesturday. If this game has half life type grahics on my 360 I can only imagen what a suped up computer would do, that said I will be getting the console version :) Maybe their just not in the demo, but I ddn't see any amazingly developed characters. But man, it was fun, I havn't felt this scared playing a game sense Doom III. When it first started and you are in the water, I thought I was still in a cinematic when I breached teh surface, only to be shocked when I realized I was free to move :) Damn good water, though I noticed the fire loaded only when you were in proximity to it. I played it on the hardest difficulty the demo allowed (medium, "Have played a few shooters" and only died once, I had just taken out a bot and was ninjaed by another that peaked around the corner :P) I have to say the game looks good, as for goodness/replay factor I'd still take Halo 3, single player games can be fun, but their just that, single player. Though I think this one will turn out like SoF II single player, I love single player in that game.

[Tempest]

I bought this earlier today and fuck yes it was worth it.. I got it really cheap because my store was doing some friday and saturday sale with two coupons, plus my employee discount.. Anyway, I played a shitload at my friend's house, only reason I'm not playing now is I forgot about the whole different hard drive things, and don't want to play back through it again.

Also:
If you save the little sisters, you get occasional "Awards".


I was stupid, saved them all up to my current point, except one.

Are the awards for saving them worth it? I saved the only one I've run in to so far, but I know the ADAM is very important too, so I don't want to make mistakes. :(

[Trashcat]

Well, Tempest, occasionally (like every 3-4 sisters) you get a reward, and while random (ammo, medkits, etc) it always involves 200 Adam, so I think it ends up being worth it.

Also!

I managed to kill an 'Elite Bouncer' Big Daddy today without it hitting me a single time. I'll tell you guys this now: The crossbow is a -godsend- against them.

[ryivan]

Just a note to people wondering about the decisions to be made about the little sisters, i'll just let you know. A: It effects the ending. B: If you harvest just 1, it doesn't matter how many you save, you'll get the same end result. You have to save them all to get the alternate ending.

[TriSlash]

Just completed it, thought the last boss was a bit easy...
I don't like the ending if you don't save them all O.O
Oh by the way, when you choose to harvest, are you ripping into the sister's stomach with your hand and pulling out the slug? Cos that's what it seemed to me like you were doing.

[2x4]

Hmm, so everyone says buy it...
I played the demo on 360 and it is awesome, but i still have one reservation:
£40 for 20 hours? And my mate got it on friday and was done by sunday.
So the way I see it, its gonna have to be really good to be worth that. Still, it might have loads of replay value so meh.
And ive just seen Prey for £10 on gameplay, is that worth it?

[JonC]

Developers have lost their touch for amazing storylines and characters in games lately, but this game really pulls it off. The characters are so dynamic, so round. You can't believe how immersive it really is until you play it.


It's a shame storylines are crap on a lot of new games, depending. Anyway.

I havent played this yet, I want to badly, I can't run it on computer since I only have a onboard video, everything else shoudl be able to handle it though. (i bought a video card at one point, and installed it and everything, I tried to run a couple of computer games, and they'd lock up. Pissed me off) I might buy it for xbox360, but can't right now, not enough cash to spare, I could just rent it. Is it a long game? because I don't want to rent it and beat it, unless ther'es a lot of replay value.

[Trashcat]

It's about 12-15 hours to run through it once, and then 12-15 more if you go through again for the other ending. I've beaten it on the ending from saving them all so far; and after such a stellar cutscene, I seriously dunno if I can bring myself to harvest them now.

[Tempest]

I fought my first Elite Bouncer last night in Fort Frolic and it was fucking ridiculous. The only way I was able to kill him was when I bought 9 medkits, forgot about running and shooting, and just stood there blasting him with Electric Buck while he beat the shit out of me..

[Lag]

The occasional video diaries are a pleasant touch. They give the current place you're in a nice bit of atmosphere to match the drama of what's happening around you.

And who here doesn't love the Big Daddy Buddy Plasmid?

[hardcoresk8r69]

And who here doesn't love the Big Daddy Buddy Plasmid?

I do my own killing.

And the story is pretty deep for those who have doubts. It was the type of story that made me keep playing because of it.

[Trashcat]

The ending was insane.

Also, tempest, just use the crossbow on the Elite Bouncers and be prepared to sidestep. It's kinda like fighting a sword guy on Halo 2.

[dark ride196]

just finished and holy shit all i can say is wow.

[BKS]

Recommendation for easy Bouncer kill: Upgrade the chemical thrower's consumption rate and once you get electric gel, you can kill them in one streams worth, no questions asked.

[JonC]

Sorry to bring back a partially dead thread, but I now own Bioshock. I played the demo last night and was like, "zomgogmozm", and I wanted to buy it even more. Well, I ended up getting brand new for 26 dollars. I traded in three games(smackdown vs raw 2007, tony hawk project 8, and f.e.a.r.) and since they have a deal going on (trade in 3 games get an extra 10 % trade in value), it took off 35 dollars.

Just from the demo the graphics and everything is really great. The gameplay so far is awesome, and the story is interesting also. So, am I in the cool kids club now?

[Killotron]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1394-Zero-Punctuation-BioShock

Funny BioShock Review.

[Infammo]

The endings were horrendous. Also the scary atmosphere loses its edge once you realize you can't actually die.

*
Which is what the funny review said.

[Shantex]

The endings were horrendous. Also the scary atmosphere loses its edge once you realize you can't actually die.

*
Which is what the funny review said.

Agreed. It was extremely good around the Ryan twist, but after that it was a road downhill. Also after dealing with 6 or so Big Daddies, saving the little sisters became a chore.(It was too easy after you knew the tricks). I really wanted to advance and just leave them there, but I wanted to get the good ending and it would have felt like a waste of time not saving them. I let all of them go and by the end, buying basically every plasmid and upgrade I could, I still had over 100 ADAM left.

Big Daddy tip: Once you get the crossbow, abuse the trap bolts as much as you can. You can bring down an Elite Rosie with about 5 already. Before that, just keep moving and shooting the bastard, if possible hack nearby turrets.

[HappinessMan]

Just got it today. I'm gonna play it later tonight.

[JonC]

After playing it for a while, all I can say is the game, is really great. Fighting a Big Daddy is crazy, trying to run for one is difficult because well, its first person and you cant see behind you and such. I'm at Neptune's whatever, looking for Atlas' family.

[Savvy]

I couldn't wait for my 8800 to arrive so I downloaded the demo and tried to play it on my bog standard ATI x300. I had to take the side off my computer and point three six inch fans at the motherboard but it was worth it. I'm getting the full version for the 360 instead of the PC next week because I do so love achievements.

[HappinessMan]

Bioshock is amazing. I can't say anything else. I've never had a more scarier game.

[February Stars]

Bioshock is really unique.
I've had it for just about two weeks. Took me that long to finish it off because of work, school, band practice, and friends.

There's a lot of elements it has that I've found interesting.

The scary element, goes away quickly. It's nearly impossible to die. I completed it without dying around the first time. The lights going out, fog filling in, all that goes away after the very first time you're playing.

I will say that I'm impressed with the enemies. I can't say how many times I've walked into a room with several enemies appearing to be "dead" on the ground, who then hop up and attack you, giving you that "Holy shit!" feeling.

The Big Daddy thing is pretty epic. The first time I ran into one with a Little Sister, I shot it accidently. Bad idea. Still took it out though. I think they're a bit easier than what they've been acredited for.

Overall, this game is pretty intense.

Graphic-wise, I've seen some really insane things. 10/10.
Gameplay-wise, 10/10.
Length, 7/10. Most games haven't lasted long so far, except Forza Motorsport.

[wibble]

I must admit this game is incredible, I played the demo and I thought that ended on a VERY good note...with you trapped in the room and the splicers hitting the glass.

And then my brother bought the game, and it lives up to the impression the demo gave it.

The scariness does kind of fade when you cannot die, but there are some really scary bits that make you jump or freak out

for example when i was exploring just before the surgeon boss, and found a dentists office I think it was. I wander in there and see a tonic so I thought, great! Walked over to get it and suddenly the screen was covered in some kind of fog, I was looking at the wall at the time, and when it cleared there was a shadow of a man on it, I turn round and theres a splicer dressed as a surgeon staring at me

I absolutely crapped myself

[Scene]

:facts2: No co-op / multiplayer

[ryivan]

:facts2: No co-op / multiplayer

And since when did a game had to have those features to be good? Half life 2, Oblivion, Psyconaughts...

[ArKaiN]

And since when did a game had to have those features to be good? Half life 2, Oblivion, Psyconaughts...

Oblivion's about thirty times longer than Bioshock.

[TriSlash]

And since when did a game had to have those features to be good? Half life 2, Oblivion, Psyconaughts...

Half Life 2 comes with online play. Half Life 1 had multiplayer.

[hardcoresk8r69]

Half Life 2 comes with online play. Half Life 1 had multiplayer.

Yeah but the gut of the game is SP. Plus the only online is HL2 DM(I consider cs a different game)

[TireVengeance]

I saved the first two because I felt it necessary, but after a while I decided I'd rather have more ADAM so I just harvested them.

It's amazing how even after you start to master the combat system of the game, the big daddies are still a huge threat. Even when you manage to find a way to take one down easily, the next one is still just as hard.

I found that even individual Splicers posed a challenge alot of times. What I read in a review somewhere (maybe Game Informer?), ever battle, even the little ones, is like a small war that challenges you each time. Unless you play on easy. Pussies.

[Tempest]

I kind of stopped playing Bioshock for a while because I've been busy with Gears and Blue Dragon, and Bioshock overheats my Xbox 360 like a motherfucker. Last time I played, I had just killed the third guy in Fort Frolic for the psychopath's "project", and was hunting down the fourth, but I kept running out of money and med-kits. To be honest, so far, I think the hardest part for me was when you are getting the enzyme samples from the beehives in Arcadia, and every time you spray the smoke to get rid of the bees, like 5 splicers come out of nowhere to prevent you from getting said enzymes.

[JonC]

I'm about to leave Neptune's Bounty, I have the camera and all I have to do is knock on the guy's door. But it says I need more Adam, or should get it, so I'll be stronger. but here's the fucked up thing. The fucking Big Daddy's that are walking around, I killed two of them. But when it came time for me to either save or harvest the little sister, she wasn't no where to be found!! I was like, "what the fuck". I seriously looked everywhere and it highly pissed me off. Well, at one i was like, fuck it and decided to go for the camera, i done so, got it, etc, etc, etc. Well, I came back to the area just before the place to knock on Peach's door and I hear the groan of a Big Daddy and the talk of a little sister.

I became really mad because I didn't want to fight one again, so I can MAYBE get the adam from the little sister, when she might not even fucking be there! So I saved it, and just quit for the night.

Anyone else had ever had this problem? Ammo and shit isn't cheap ya know.

[Tempest]

I'm about to leave Neptune's Bounty, I have the camera and all I have to do is knock on the guy's door. But it says I need more Adam, or should get it, so I'll be stronger. but here's the fucked up thing. The fucking Big Daddy's that are walking around, I killed two of them. But when it came time for me to either save or harvest the little sister, she wasn't no where to be found!! I was like, "what the fuck". I seriously looked everywhere and it highly pissed me off. Well, at one i was like, fuck it and decided to go for the camera, i done so, got it, etc, etc, etc. Well, I came back to the area just before the place to knock on Peach's door and I hear the groan of a Big Daddy and the talk of a little sister.

I became really mad because I didn't want to fight one again, so I can MAYBE get the adam from the little sister, when she might not even fucking be there! So I saved it, and just quit for the night.

Anyone else had ever had this problem? Ammo and shit isn't cheap ya know.

Yeah, I had that problem and after investigating a bit, I noticed a few things. One of which is, sometimes there will be Big Daddies roaming randomly about, with no Little Sister to speak of. Another is, if you were to kill a Big Daddy who is guarding a Sister, and the Sister runs away and hides from you long enough, another Big Daddy will show up to protect her. I ended up fighting something like 4 Big Daddies at the point you're at, however, and I almost think it's just a part of the game.

[JonC]

Well damn, thtas annoying as fuck, because well, I don't think I have lots of ammo to waste on them things, let alone Medpacks and EVE Hypos, and I don't have a lot of money to get supplies and stuff too. Maybe the normal pistol rounds, but they don't hardly do a damn thing to Big Daddies.

It's kinda aggravating in a sense.

[ryivan]

Find a big daddy, stay hidden for long enough & follow him at a distance, he will call a little sister out of there hidey holes, you slaughter and get the sister.

Keep in mind that once you harvest / save every little sister in the level, no more will spawn, however big daddies will still be around.

[hardcoresk8r69]

Find a big daddy, stay hidden for long enough & follow him at a distance

No need to. Big Daddies only attack when aggravated or Little sister points at you.

[ryivan]

No need to. Big Daddies only attack when aggravated or Little sister points at you.

If you are in plain sight of a big daddy when they call on little sisters, there is a very good chance the sisters will not come out, you have to be hidden because he thinks it is safe.

[JonC]

Find a big daddy, stay hidden for long enough & follow him at a distance, he will call a little sister out of there hidey holes, you slaughter and get the sister.

Keep in mind that once you harvest / save every little sister in the level, no more will spawn, however big daddies will still be around.

I didn't even know about their cubby hole thigns until last night. I was following the Big Daddy and little sister and she goes, "Take me home now Mr. Bubbles" and he lifts her up and she climbs in that hole. I was like, "so thats what those things are?" I had seen them but hadn't any idea.

Either way, I'm still going to have to kill them again.

[Infammo]

Jon the camera isn't enough. You need to take three pictures of spider splicers. Also I didn't have that problem with the Little Sisters. Did you make sure the sisters were there in the first place? Some big daddies walk around without them.

[JonC]

Jon the camera isn't enough. You need to take three pictures of spider splicers. Also I didn't have that problem with the Little Sisters. Did you make sure the sisters were there in the first place? Some big daddies walk around without them.

Oh, I took the pictures of the spider splicers and everything. I could have sworn I mentioned I got the camera and do everything else needed. Maybe I didnt. Anyway, I done that. Well, I guess I know about the Big Daddie's walking around without them, but the first one I killed in Neptune's Bounty(the first one you see as you go through the door to the docks) had a Little Sister with him. Unless what had happened was when I finally went to it, it was a different one or she went into her hole and such.

[Tempest]

Oh, I took the pictures of the spider splicers and everything. I could have sworn I mentioned I got the camera and do everything else needed. Maybe I didnt. Anyway, I done that. Well, I guess I know about the Big Daddie's walking around without them, but the first one I killed in Neptune's Bounty(the first one you see as you go through the door to the docks) had a Little Sister with him. Unless what had happened was when I finally went to it, it was a different one or she went into her hole and such.

I know which one you mean, I also avoided him as soon as I started the level. When I came back to him at the end, no little sister. I didn't know if I was hallucinating or what, but that's the only level I've missed a little sister on. :mad: I searched for like a half hour and only found death.