View Full Version : STAND FOR THE AMERICAN NATIONAL ANTHEM OR GET ARRESTED!
Cristo
12-03-2007, 11:59 AM
How absurd is this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzlkTarAZZg&feature=related)
In all honesty who the hell does that teacher think he is? And what the fuck were the police thinking?
Watch the whole video and read what it says at the end, also we have to take into account that perhaps we weren't show the entirety of the video or what those guys had done before. But I still think the teacher was being an idiot.
Well, the kids were being pricks.
If they hadn't been laughing they would probably be taken more seriously.
Cristo
12-03-2007, 12:11 PM
That's not the point to be honest, just because he's being a prick by not standing up and "respecting" the anthem doesn't mean he should be suspended. The teacher is clearly in the wrong, I think had it been anyone of us or anyone from my school for that matter we would have reacted in the same way and walked out. I know I would have/
DamnDude
12-03-2007, 12:15 PM
Most of the people commenting on that video are approving of his suspension.
American people can be pretty scary.
Clerlic
12-03-2007, 12:16 PM
I don't see how standing up is helping your country in any way.
Cristo
12-03-2007, 12:23 PM
I hat ehow many of the people commenting use the "DURRR PEEPL DYED 4 ARE COUNTRY HE SHLD BE RESPCTFUL DURRR" arguement. They died so he could have that right and use that right! That's what it's all about, maybe he disagrees with what America is doing in the world at the moment and doesn't feel he can respect America anymore, for the time being at least.
Spastic
12-03-2007, 12:24 PM
The kids shouldn't have been dickheads, getting arrested for "criminal mischief" is pretty damn harsh though. Maybe before he started recording they did something crazy to get him in that mood to begin with, the tape is one sided and doesn't show everything so I really can't have an opinion.
Kid's trying to be an edgey punk rebel motherfucker and is just a dickhole.
Teacher's got a boner for a fucked up shitty country and is just a dickhole.
They're both complete dickholes. End of.
Mr. Crow
12-03-2007, 1:30 PM
If the kid had been intelligent and reasonable, he could have explained to the teacher that it was his right as an American citizen (hell, as a human being), defended by the First Amandment, to refuse to stand up for the national anthem. However, he chose to respond to the situation like an idiot. Saying, "MAN, R U SRZ???" over and over again does not suggest that he was refusing to stand up because it was his right, rather because he wanted to be a dick. His friends giggling like schoolgirls while they recorded the incident does not support their case either, rather it makes it seem that they had provoked the teacher.
Do American kids have to sit through the national anthem EVERY class?
Do American kids have to sit through the national anthem EVERY class?
If we did I'd kill myself.
Audioslave
12-03-2007, 1:45 PM
Shoulda tazered him.
I don't say the pledge, but I put my arm up every now and then. I don't see what the big deal is. If the kids were making a disruption, then they should have been penalized for that, not for not pledging.
jewishjosh
12-03-2007, 1:58 PM
There's a difference between a lack of patriotism and treason. This is the former.
I've never had to say a pledge or anthem at school in my life. Hooray for Canada!
On a related note, when I go to hockey games with my brother, he keeps his hat on for the American anthem and then takes it off for the Canadian one.
Audioslave
12-03-2007, 2:12 PM
I've never had to say a pledge or anthem at school in my life. Hooray for Canada!
They never made you sign the anthem as a kid?
Either way, it doesn't feel quite so compulsory here. I stand because I have to, but I don't hate the idea of the anthem so much that I'd rather sit for it. I think if my country ever started invading a country at the rate of about one every three years; yeah. I'd stay seated.
ArKaiN
12-03-2007, 2:19 PM
Reminds me of that Robot chicken sketch where a little kid says "I swear allegiance to the united states of...FART!", then it shows a bunch of arabs listening in and saying "They are turning on themselves! They are weak! Strike!" then they run into the school shooting upwards with AK-47's.
The teacher is a shellshocked imbecile, the kids are stoned dumbasses. Patriotism has nothing to do with this. Picking a side would be like betting on a special olympics roman wrestling match.
Edit: by the way, the kids on that clip are probably on their 40's now. I think this was first posted on BBS's.
How can they be in their 40's when video phone cameras were introduced only a few years ago?
That's not the point to be honest, just because he's being a prick by not standing up and "respecting" the anthem doesn't mean he should be suspended. The teacher is clearly in the wrong, I think had it been anyone of us or anyone from my school for that matter we would have reacted in the same way and walked out. I know I would have/
sry I meant, those kids looked like real pricks, and they probably fuck with the teacher all the time
They aren't being taken seriously because the one guy looked high, and they llooked like slackers in general.
Slackers always get the buck.
Cristo
12-03-2007, 3:14 PM
Ahh right I see, yeah I'm going to have to agree with you on that. They did look like guys who just fuck about in class.
Just cause they look like they don't do anything doesn't mean they actually don't.
The guy with the moustache laughed and he had no eyes.
Stoners never do anything.
Beefynick
12-03-2007, 3:43 PM
I understand why the teacher got mad. Some people are taught that you have to stand up for the national anthem. It is disrespectful if you do not and he may have been a soldier at one point where you are pretty much taught patriotism. I do not agree with him though. If some stupid kids want to be disrespectful let them, they will pay for it later on I would imagine.
The kid should not have been suspended for not standing for the national anthem though. The school could have a rule against cell phones in class, so the suspending of the kid taking the video could have been justified.
Crazy to think that things like this actually happen though.
Glowybluething
12-03-2007, 3:56 PM
None of the schools around here even play the national anthem. If anything we just have the pledge first thing in the morning and you can stand up or stay seated, and say it or stay quiet.
Spastic
12-03-2007, 3:58 PM
Like I said before, I doubt he was arrested for what he did just there. I am sure they did something before they started filming to get the teacher agitated, and it must have been arrest worthy.
McGruff
12-03-2007, 4:27 PM
Its pretty bad that some teachers are forcing their beliefs or whatever on kids. Granted they were acting like jerks, but the teacher got that upset? What about pulling his hair, that moment got out of hand. I wonder if thats how the teacher acts everyday, If so, "May I get my classes changed?".
HappinessMan
12-03-2007, 4:51 PM
Cristo, why the hell do you care so much about America? Your always bashing it, I'm sorry we aren't perfect like whatever country you live in. The teacher is a nutjob, and the kids weren't standing to fuck with him, and he knew it. The kids didn't care about "dishonoring" our country.
paraskeet
12-03-2007, 5:09 PM
That's what it's all about, maybe he disagrees with what America is doing in the world at the moment and doesn't feel he can respect America anymore, for the time being at least.
I actually agree with you 100%. I can't stand it when our teachers force us to do the pledge at school. I am really dissatisfied with America and our government, so I feel like I should be able to sit out if I want to. When the U.S stops being a dumbass, then I will stand.
Mr. Crow
12-03-2007, 5:12 PM
Like I said, if they had been intelligent, respectable people, their outrage would be taken seriously and this could have become a major case. However, two of them just giggled like idiots, and the other stormed out of the room (honestly, what the fuck? it looks to me like he was just vying for an excuse to leave).
That's what it's all about, maybe he disagrees with what America is doing in the world at the moment and doesn't feel he can respect America anymore, for the time being at least.
I doubt he's intelligent or mature enough to know two shits about the world or politics. If he did, he would've stood up like a man and said outright that it was his right, defended by the First Amendment, to refuse to stand and/or participate in the national anthem.
ArKaiN
12-03-2007, 5:42 PM
I doubt he's intelligent or mature enough to know two shits about the world or politics. If he did, he would've stood up like a man and said outright that it was his right, defended by the First Amendment, to refuse to stand and/or participate in the national anthem.
Which, ironically enough, would be ten times more patriotic.
Bosskid
12-03-2007, 8:05 PM
All I can say is WOW. I say the kids were being silly, but I can't believe they get arrested.
I'd hate to live in America, it seems to me that the country is over-run with right-wing dicks.
BrokenTrafalgar
12-03-2007, 8:58 PM
Yeah it sucks living here. People from other countries assume we're dicks because most of us are. The teacher is a cantankerous old asshole and the kid is a stupid punk. He shouldn't have gotten arrested, though, that's bullshit. Americans are very stupid, I hate living here. That's like making a Muslim stand to recite the pledge of alleigence.
Mr. Crow
12-03-2007, 9:12 PM
I'm going to start cutting people if they turn this into a "HAY WERE STOOPID AND HATE AMERCA LETS MAEK GENRLZATIONS ABOUT IT!" thread.
Yes, that teacher was a dick. Yes, those kids were stupid. That does not mean all Americans are dicks and stupid.
Sorry, Crow, but the way this teacher thinks seems to be a common trait amongst Americans.
For the most part Americans are normal but there seems to be, from an outsider's view, a decent percentage of the population that are over-zealous in support for their nation and their God.
Glowybluething
12-03-2007, 9:44 PM
That's because they're the ones that are easier notice.
Amerikkka :heil:
Iiro in with the save.
Seriously though, I didn't watch the video, but from hearing the situation, it all depends on how you look at it. I don't know about getting arrested, but I somewhat understand the whole premise behind being respectful and whatnot. If I'm at a game(which is, very rare), and the National Anthem is played, I do think everyone should stand up and take their hats off. You don't have to sing it, and/or even put your hand (or hat) over your heart, but at least just stand up. It's just one of those things.
On a related note, when I go to hockey games with my brother, he keeps his hat on for the American anthem and then takes it off for the Canadian one.
Well, do you live in Canada? If so, I don't blame him necessarily for removing his hat during the Canadian Anthem and not during American Anthem.
SlowCheetah
12-03-2007, 9:54 PM
The whole thing is pretty fucked up. Obviously that kid was acting stupid, and just looking for attention by not standing up. But the teacher had no right to go and pull the chair from underneath the kid. But yeah, I think the punishments were a bit severe. Getting suspended for almost 2 weeks and being criminally charged? I think that's a little over the top.
Derelict
12-04-2007, 10:13 AM
Well, do you live in Canada? If so, I don't blame him necessarily for removing his hat during the Canadian Anthem and not during American Anthem.
I don't think Canadians really even care that much if you remove your hat. That's more of a patriotic thing Americans do. Of course we still do it, but it's mostly just because we want to, not because we're told to.
The teacher in that video is a little crazy, but those kids were very disrespectful so neither is really very right in what they did.
Americans make me want to move to Canada really badly.
HappinessMan
12-04-2007, 10:34 AM
STOP STEREOTYPING AMERICANS YOU FOREIGN FUCKS. Jesus.
Colorado (Where I live) passed a law that says "The opportunity to say the Pledge of Allegiance must be offered once a day in a class" Our chosen class is 2nd period. One kid bravely asked "What if I don't wanna stand up?" Our dumbass teacher goes "Well you have to, unless you have a very good reason" So I said "Uh... the first amendment is a good reason..." "True, hes right."
Spastic
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
I love how Derelict says "American's take their hats because they are told to, we do it because we want to." How, per se, did you come up with this little bit of hypocrisy? How can you do the exact same thing as us, but somehow we are idiots and followers for doing it?
I know I take off my hat as a sign of respect, the same way I don't wear my hat indoors, jesus fucking christ the stereotyping is absolutely absurd.
Cristo
12-04-2007, 11:17 AM
Cristo, why the hell do you care so much about America? Your always bashing it, I'm sorry we aren't perfect like whatever country you live in. The teacher is a nutjob, and the kids weren't standing to fuck with him, and he knew it. The kids didn't care about "dishonoring" our country.
Where the hell did I EVER mention anything about America? I was bashing the teacher and the police, not the country as a whole. I'm one of few Europeans who don't outright hate America, I just disagree with some of the things you do.
STOP STEREOTYPING AMERICANS YOU FOREIGN FUCKS. Jesus.
You aren't painting a particularly promising picture (woooo alliteration) of the American populace with a post like that. And if you notice, most of the people actually bashing America in this topic are Americans. Even in that poll Copyfag made, America scored lower than Britain on a Forum with a vast majority of American posters. So much for us foreign fucks huh?
The vast majority of posters here aren't American Cristo.
Cristo
12-04-2007, 11:22 AM
Yeah they are. Most of the posters are American, in which case it's the same thing. And Australians as well, but they'd have voted USA since they despise Britain. So not only did America have the votes of American users and Australian users, they still lost.
No, there are people from a lot of countries here, and America is only one. If you combine just the British and Canadian posters it's probably more than Americans.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 11:25 AM
You know, now that I think about it, the only time I ever swore allegiance to my country was when I registered for the army (obligatory down here).
I guess schools here are more into that "learning" thing and not so much into the "blind belief of the superiority of my country" thing.
Edit: Nice empty discussion going on in this thread too.
Believe it or not, not all schools try to preach that America is the best country ever. I've actually had more than one teacher that said it isn't. One dickface teacher doesn't represent all of them.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 11:28 AM
Believe it or not, not all schools try to preach that America is the best country ever. I've actually had more than one teacher that said it isn't. One dickface teacher doesn't represent all of them.
Yeah, only in red states, right? What's that, like 60% of them? By the way, I'm actually curious about this. I know you guys have states that teach creationism and evolution at the same time, is this "america is NUMBER ONE!" kind of thing common on classrooms?
Holy fuck Arkain, you are such an idiot. Stop fucking generalizing. I don't know when the last time you saw Bush's approval rates, but they're low as fuck. Americans like that are actually pretty rare lately.
Cristo
12-04-2007, 11:32 AM
I'm pretty sure that international schools in America don't make you do this kind of thing or teach you "AMERICA IS NUMBER ONE" and there must be a number of international schools in America due to the amount of large cities and how politically and economically important America is. So yeah that's already a ton of schools that don't teach that.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 11:32 AM
Woah, calm down with the personal attacks. I'm asking politely how can you defend a country that has shit like this going on all the time.
Not all germans were nazi jew killers during WW2, but you guys still shot all of them. You get a bad rep for your shitty country.
I'm not defending the country itself, I'm defending the people in it who actually aren't assholes. Not everyone in the country agrees with everything the leader does. That's like saying everyone in the country is an asshole just because Bush is.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 11:40 AM
Nobody is saying you're all assholes, but we are saying you guys have a pretty high % of the population that are nothing but war mongering, inbred, ignorant hillbillies which you allow the same liberties as intelligent, normal people.
But hey, "freedom" and all that shit. Guns for retarded psychos and no abortions for raped 13 year olds.
Maybe if you stopped being an asshole and stereotyping everything, not everyone on Explosm would hate you. There's not a "high percentage" of Americans like that, have you ever even been to America? If not, shut the fuck up.
Rebecca.
12-04-2007, 11:46 AM
Sorry, Crow, but the way this teacher thinks seems to be a common trait amongst Americans.
For the most part Americans are normal but there seems to be, from an outsider's view, a decent percentage of the population that are over-zealous in support for their nation and their God.
The outsider's view of America is only that because that's what foreingers want to believe the U.S.A is. Of course we're going to have the crazy assholes, as does every country. The way that teacher thinks is not a common trait amongst Americans at all. It may be a common trait amongst older conservatives, but not Americans.
STOP STEREOTYPING AMERICANS YOU FOREIGN FUCKS. Jesus.
You aren't painting a particularly promising picture (woooo alliteration) of the American populace with a post like that.
Why, because he told people who generalize to fuck off? Because other people are stereotyping Americans with shit that isn't true? I think the only promising picture you painted there, Cristo, is that you're an asshole.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 11:49 AM
Maybe if you stopped being an asshole and stereotyping everything, not everyone on Explosm would hate you. There's not a "high percentage" of Americans like that, have you ever even been to America? If not, shut the fuck up.
I have, multiple times.
The intelligent people in the US are all in big cities. I've been to DC, LA, NY thee or four times, Boston and a couple of places in FL. Also Ohio and Michigan (where people don't drink water: every house has beer).
Maybe if you had a decent response you wouldn't have to resort to name calling, like a little kid.
I'd like to point out that Bush was re-elected with a decent margin.
You guys have a very large population of retards.
An old American saying comes to mind: "I'd rather push a Harley then ride a Honda"
My house doesn't have any beer in it and I live in Michigan. :indiff:
Also, you can't say that's true unless you've talked to every American in every city. You have no idea who's intelligent and who's not. You only choose to believe in stereotypes over 50 years old. Where the fuck do you live anyway? It better be the best country in the world without ANY problems or ANY stupid people for you to be criticizing America like you are.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 11:57 AM
My house doesn't have any beer in it and I live in Michigan. :indiff:
Also, you can't say that's true unless you've talked to every American in every city. You have no idea who's intelligent and who's not. You only choose to believe in stereotypes over 50 years old. Where the fuck do you live anyway? It better be the best country in the world without ANY problems or ANY stupid people for you to be criticizing America like you are.
No, I don't; If the majority of Americans re-elected Bush after the initial four years, my point is made.
And my country doesn't have a lot of people constantly yelling a mindless chant of "We're the best", so it doesn't even matter. If someone points out my country has a lot of poor people, I immediately acknowledge that. I'm not particularly proud of the land I'm stepping it, but I am proud of many things that I've done. Our poor people aren't proud of being poor. Your retards shouldn't be proud of being retarded.
All I'm saying is that if I was smart and lived in the US, I wouldn't be proud of my country, and I wouldn't bring up my nationality often.
History
12-04-2007, 12:02 PM
Sorry, Crow, but the way this teacher thinks seems to be a common trait amongst Americans.
For the most part Americans are normal but there seems to be, from an outsider's view, a decent percentage of the population that are over-zealous in support for their nation and their God.
It only seems to be a common trait because the baby boomer generation is more conservative in general. Dear god, they elected Ronald Reagan and the Bush clan.
Those kids were just punks in general. No need to arrest them, just bring back corporal punishment.
I stand for the National Anthem and for the Pledge of Allegience out of respect, but I recite neither. The men that created this country would shit a brick if they knew that Bush was slowly getting rid of our civil liberties and we were letting him. The president is one of the most unpatriotic people in our nation. I didn't vote for him.
Edit: No, I don't; If the majority of Americans re-elected Bush after the initial four years, my point is made.
Your point would be made if more people actually voted. This is exactly why I think we need compulsory voting. I like the Australian system.
I will admit re-electing Bush was a huge mistake, but if you look at his approval ratings now they're about 18%. Not exactly a "high percentage" of Americans are idiots now like you choose to believe.
I do bitch at people who think America is the best country ever. I know it isn't, but I also know it isn't the worst.
Being proud to be here doesn't automatically mean you're retarded, there's a lot of worse places you could be. You can like the country without being a republican dickhead racist, you know.
Plus you can't judge America based solely on what it is NOW. In the past, we've accomplished some nearly impossible stuff.
Mr. Crow
12-04-2007, 12:07 PM
registered for the army (obligatory down here)
Wahahaha, I can't get over this. Your country makes you join the military! You are forced to join the military after high school/college, and you have the gall to talk any shit whatsoever about the U.S. and the rights of its citizens?!
Fuck, if the U.S. made military service obligatory, there would be a revolution. How fucking dare you call us "blindly patriotic" when your country forces its citizens into military duty and they find that acceptable.
Fodniethan
12-04-2007, 12:10 PM
No, I don't; If the majority of Americans re-elected Bush after the initial four years, my point is made.
Voting Bush back in three years ago doesn't automatically make you an idiot. And quite a lot of America can't vote, anyone under 18, for a start.
Oh and you're a bit of a jerk.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 12:12 PM
Yes, and it only took you guys 8 years to understand this person was stupid, and that he was destroying your country. 8 years. You can always chose to ignore that and go with the 18% approval rating he has NOW, but you said something about judging the present exclusively.
I'd argue about being proud about something an English slave-trading, indian-slaughtering refugee did three hundred years ago, or the "there are worse places in earth" argument for blind pride, but you know, whatever. Michigan, huh?
Wahahaha, I can't get over this. Your country makes you join the military! You are forced to join the military after high school/college, and you have the gall to talk any shit whatsoever about the U.S. and the rights of its citizens?!
Fuck, if the U.S. made military service obligatory, there would be a revolution. How fucking dare you call us "blindly patriotic" when your country forces its citizens into military duty and they find that acceptable.
Hehe this is funny.
Register doesn't mean you have to do any kind of training. Our army is ridiculously small, mainly because we've no intention to go to war. Ever. We spend money on our people, not on F16's for demolishing shacks in Afghanistan. I actually know only two people with any kind of military training, and they did it because they needed the money. I live in Brazil, if that's so important to you guys.
Spastic
12-04-2007, 12:15 PM
Don't you live in like South America Arkain? IF I recall right and you do, I would not be saying anything about other countries. I mean I am surprised that you actually have electricity down there.
Cristo
12-04-2007, 12:17 PM
Why, because he told people who generalize to fuck off? Because other people are stereotyping Americans with shit that isn't true? I think the only promising picture you painted there, Cristo, is that you're an asshole.
How does that make me an asshole? He told FOREIGN FUCKS to stop generalising, when in actuality many of the people who were generalising and saying it sucks are Americans and living in America. He didn't need to say it like he did, he could just have written in lower case and without the deregatory terms. He just made himself seem like a narrow-minded xenophobe.
History
12-04-2007, 12:19 PM
For the record the majority of American people did NOT vote for Bush. He lost the popular vote the first time he made it into office. It's because of the electoral college he was voted in. The second election he won when Kerry stepped down. Kerry conceded to Bush before all the votes were even counted, including absentee ballots.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 12:20 PM
Don't you live in like South America Arkain? IF I recall right and you do, I would not be saying anything about other countries. I mean I am surprised that you actually have electricity down there.
I thought someone might say something like this. I remember back when I first went to Disneyworld ( I must have been like 10) a 30 year old dude wouldn't believe I was Brazilian because I wasn't black. You're just making my point for me.
Edit- I'm pretty sure Bush won the second time around by over 130 thousand votes.
Cristo just quit while you're ahead, the thread was focusing on people hating arkain.
Anyway, arkain. Name something YOUR country has done that would amount to any of the positive things America has done. ONE. What's so fantastic about Brazil that gives you the right to criticize America? I'd really like to know.
About the Bush thing, a lot of Americans can't even vote and even more just choose not to. Plus do you really think it's the people in America who's votes count? You're an idiot.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 12:27 PM
We leave other countries alone, take care of our own, don't oppress developing countries, signed the Kyoto Protocol, just silly stuff like that. But hey, feel free to bring up something that happened 60 years ago.
Bush defeated Kerry by a small margin of about 3%, though he received more votes than any presidential candidate in history. (http://media.www.drurymirror.com/media/storage/paper740/news/2004/11/05/News/George.W.Bush.ReElected.President-793632.shtml)
Off that's gotta hurt. More votes than any candidate in history?
Oh and stop using "a bunch of us don't care about who runs our country enough to vote" as a positive argument.
By the way, Brazil is not criticizing America. I am. I'm pretty sure 90% of the planet has my back though.
Look, get over it. Your country's motto is "Fuck the rest of the planet". Hell, it goes to the point of taking a whole continent's name as your own, since the rest of the American countries apparently don't matter either. The truth is that these last eight years put a serious crack on your patriotic armor, and you guys know it. Deal with it, don't act like it hasn't happened.
Oh yes, because everything you read on the internet is completely reliable. Plus the world wouldn't have half the shit it does if it weren't for America.
The telephone, artificial heart, electricity, computers, air conditioners, planes, calculators, and the internet just to name a few.
Maybe you should try focusing on the positive side of things instead of always looking at the negative. Or just kill yourself, you must be MISERABLE.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 12:34 PM
Oh yes, because everything you read on the internet is completely reliable. Plus the world wouldn't have half the shit it does if it weren't for America.
The telephone, artificial heart, electricity, computers, air conditioners, planes, calculators, and the internet just to name a few.
Maybe you should try focusing on the positive side of things instead of always looking at the negative. Or just kill yourself, you must be MISERABLE.
So "the internet has no reliable data!", "We invented all technology!" and "Be happy!". Okay, I'm done with you. Anyone else care to have a jab?
Edit - Actually screw it, I'm done altogether. Feel free to shout empty "Asshole!"s and "Generalizations!", but before you do that, review that clip, and think to yourself how many times a day similar shit happens all over your precious country.
They weren't proving points they were being dickheads.
I never had to stand for the anthem, but we have the pledge everyday and I usually sit for it.
Does that mean I don't like the values of my country? No.
Do I just want to not get up and stare at a flag everyday?
Yes.
I was at a hockey game one time and I felt weird because I stood for both anthems even though I was American.
But I feel both country's deserve equal respect.
Did I say it has NO reliable data? Holy fuck, you're an idiotic asshole. Do you even have any friends in real life?
Also, where did I say we invented ALL technology?
Why do you keep posting? Masochism? No one here likes you.
Did I say it has NO reliable data? Holy fuck, you're an idiotic asshole. Do you even have any friends in real life?
Also, where did I say we invented ALL technology?
Why do you keep posting? Masochism? No one here likes you.
If you just add him to your ignore list it's make the forums much better.
Did I make a hillbilly girl mad?
Oh, don't join any debate teams. Not that Michigan has any. Junior College all the way =D
Nice PM, retard. Also, nice edit.
What happened to being 'done'?
The Super Hannah
12-04-2007, 12:47 PM
my whole class didnt even stand for the pledge today. we were talking and missed it. our teacher got mad but didnt flip out. she gets real made if we dont stand for the moment of silence. i dont think the kids needed to be suspended
Fodniethan
12-04-2007, 1:08 PM
Plus the world wouldn't have half the shit it does if it weren't for America.
The telephone
British.
electricity
Wasn't invented, it was discovered. And anyway the first person to make a steady current was Italian.
air conditioners
British.
calculators
German.
Stop stealing credit for other peoples inventions :mad:
No, none of those are British. They're all American as far as I know.
this is not a post
12-04-2007, 1:11 PM
Well then you know jack shit.
Fodniethan
12-04-2007, 1:20 PM
No, none of those are British. They're all American as far as I know.
Yeah America invented electricity :indiff:
No but we did discover how to use it.
Fodniethan
12-04-2007, 1:28 PM
No but we did discover how to use it.
http://resources.schoolscience.co.uk/BritishEnergy/14-16/index.html
Did you?
I mean use for lighting and shit, jesus christ.
Cristo
12-04-2007, 1:30 PM
Thomas Edison was English and Alexander Graham Bell was Scottish. Not too mention as Fodniethan said that it was an Italian Count who first harnessed electricity, and also an Italian who invented the first telephone but he died before he could renew his patent on it and Alexander Graham Bell got the credit.
Thomas Edison was English
He was born in Ohio. :indiff:
MaxAlcolo
12-04-2007, 1:42 PM
Who the fuck cares where these "inventors" were born ? It does not make every single person from that country as intelligent as the inverntors were.
Cristo
12-04-2007, 2:01 PM
MaxAlcolo makes a valid point.
Most of my friends don't really care about being an american. What the hell are you guys talking about.
It doesn't matter, I just live here...
Mr. Crow
12-04-2007, 2:23 PM
think to yourself how many times a day similar shit happens all over your precious country.
Not often. That's what we've been trying to tell you, you over-generalizing, smug fuck. :ahe:
As for inventions made in America, all of you shut up. That has nothing to do with anything. But, if you're interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_inventions
I don't give a fuck how shitty the United States has been in the last eight years. It's still the greatest country on earth in my opinion, with the greatest system of government, and a land of great opportunity. Yes, Bush sucks, yadda yadda yadda. All countries have gone through crappy periods. Pull your heads out of your asses. Your country is not perfect, your government officials do not piss sunshine and shit diamonds.
sargo00
12-04-2007, 2:25 PM
Good thing im in Canada eh?
Derelict
12-04-2007, 3:03 PM
I love how Derelict says "American's take their hats because they are told to, we do it because we want to." How, per se, did you come up with this little bit of hypocrisy? How can you do the exact same thing as us, but somehow we are idiots and followers for doing it?
I know I take off my hat as a sign of respect, the same way I don't wear my hat indoors, jesus fucking christ the stereotyping is absolutely absurd.
Yeah that came out pretty wrong. What I meant is, really I've never taken my hat off for the national anthem or anything but I see Americans do it all the time. No one I know does it either, but I see some do it at hockey games and such. I think it's just a higher majority of American families that teach their children to remove their hats as a sign of respect. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say anymore though. Sorry if I offended you. :indiff:
How did this turn into an argument about who's country is better?
BBsKey
12-04-2007, 3:11 PM
We do not have patriotism where I am from . If someone appears to have such a thing we call him a nazi. That is off course bullshit.
We hate our country ,our weather ,our government.
Parts of our anthem was outlawed for a very long time.
But a rich fulfilling live is still possible. Proud is for a good reason consider a gateway for sins.(not only religiously spoken)
Every human should be judged individually. I will gladly stand up for every single person that deserves respect ,but not for a country. The teacher is an ass just like his students.
ArKaiN
12-04-2007, 3:31 PM
How did this turn into an argument about who's country is better?
Someone said something to the effect of "people who don't stand up silently staring at old glory while the anthem is played are communist nazi pedophiles"
HappinessMan
12-04-2007, 5:53 PM
How does that make me an asshole? He told FOREIGN FUCKS to stop generalising, when in actuality many of the people who were generalising and saying it sucks are Americans and living in America. He didn't need to say it like he did, he could just have written in lower case and without the deregatory terms. He just made himself seem like a narrow-minded xenophobe.
I called you foreign fucks because very few people in this thread trashing the USA about a topic that should be about an idiot teacher are from the US. The people who started the bashing are not from this country, so technically you are foreign. And Arkain and you are making the dumbest generalizations ever. I visit southern states every year and I have never seen the "typical hillbilly home."
BrokenTrafalgar
12-04-2007, 6:38 PM
I agree with HappinessMan. My Step-grandparents are from Alabama, and they're the sweetest people you've ever met. And repeating what every good American has said in this thread, just because Bush is president, doesn't mean I like him. Just because he doesn't approve of gay people, doesn't mean I don't. It's rather small-minded of you just to say that all Americans are dicks. We implore you to see our point of view.
Derelict
12-04-2007, 6:49 PM
Well just because Bush got the majority vote out of three candidates doesn't mean the majority of the country voted for him. If 40% voted for him, 35% voted for someone else, and 5% voted for various other parties, that still means 60% didn't vote for him. What say you now, democrazy?!
Now, clearly that wasn't actually how the elections went, but it's an example.
Captainbob
12-04-2007, 7:07 PM
So does that mean Hobo's are also made to pledge and say the anthem every now and then too?
I feel like this whole argument started because of me.
What I was trying to say was that what happened to these kids does not seem to be an isolated case, and in fact from a foreign point of view it seems common.
However, now I know that this is not the case, but we all must admit Americans have faults, as does everyone.
Audioslave
12-04-2007, 7:46 PM
I'm trying to think what one of my teachers would do if I didn't stand for O Canada. My school never even played it until two months into the school year.
I figure the teacher would more object to me breaking the school rules rather than being unpatriotic.
BrokenTrafalgar
12-04-2007, 7:49 PM
(speaking to Tweek) *Applause* That's the point we've been trying to get across. And I don;t really think you started it. Even if you did, Arkain was the one who really fueled it. And yeah, we've got big problems. Ah well. This deserves the American guy with all of the other countries of the world holding hands and skipping in a flowery meadow.
THE END
Derelict
12-04-2007, 8:18 PM
I'm trying to think what one of my teachers would do if I didn't stand for O Canada. My school never even played it until two months into the school year.
I figure the teacher would more object to me breaking the school rules rather than being unpatriotic.
Yeah, one of the only times I hear the anthem is at a hockey game and at school the only time I hear it is when we have an important assembly. I don't think anyone would be terribly upset if someone didn't stand, but I don't think they'd ignore it either.
In my high school, we would have a moment of silence every day. Pledge of allegiance, moment of silence, announcements. After the first week, no one really cared about the moment of silence, it lost its meaning.
My Junior year a student wit musculear distraphy (sp?) died. Again, my senior year, a student who graduated the previous year died in a car crash. Both times, an "extended" moment of silence was granted.
Sadly, most students just ignored it like all the previous moments of silence, simply because it had lost its meaning being part of a monotonous, daily ritual.
All I'm trying to say, is that when you force people to hold something in an almost religious point of view every day, people lose sight of what it is all about. If you simply recited the pledge of allegiance, and played the national anthem during important events or on important days, people would take it much more seriously.
Spastic
12-04-2007, 8:43 PM
What I was trying to say was that what happened to these kids does not seem to be an isolated case, and in fact from a foreign point of view it seems common.
Not isolated, maybe, but I doubt anything like this happens to people in say more than 2% of schools nationwide? That might even be too high a number. The fact is that every outside country seems to focus on our negative points then just suck that teat until it runs dry.
I remember in my school one of my classmates was a Jehova's Witness (this was before California banned the pledge of allegiance in school), so he didn't stand or say the pledge in the morning, and no one thought anything of it.
LagFish
12-04-2007, 11:31 PM
If you read the comments, it cleverly points out it's against the constitution to make a child stand up during the anthem. It only says the recording guy was 18.
whangadude
12-05-2007, 1:12 AM
Wow im so glad i dont liv in america, in New Zealand we only every month or so during something important sing th national anthom, the only controversy it ever causes is that the 1st time round its sung in Maori (the minority native practicly dead lanuage) then in english, apart from that it never a problem, lots of us at school would never stand or sing it, or just sing the mocking version.
Wow im so glad i dont liv in america, in New Zealand we only every month or so during something important sing th national anthom, the only controversy it ever causes is that the 1st time round its sung in Maori (the minority native practicly dead lanuage) then in english, apart from that it never a problem, lots of us at school would never stand or sing it, or just sing the mocking version.
Yeah, I don't even know all the words to the Irish national anthem. And I don't understand most of what I do know because it's in Gaelic :indiff:
I actually can't remember the last time I had to sing it. Or if I ever had to.
LagFish
12-05-2007, 3:28 AM
Yeah, I don't even know all the words to the Irish national anthem. And I don't understand most of what I do know because it's in Gaelic :indiff:
I actually can't remember the last time I had to sing it. Or if I ever had to.
In Australia, the RSL (like a family pub thing) plays it at a certain time every day. I was in a wheelchair for a little while when I was young and we went there for tea. After tea it played and everyone stood up, except me because I was in a wheelchair. Some old lady glared at me and came over afterwards and started giving me a lecture on how I was rude. I just wheeled myself away, she then realised she made a dick of herself and apologized. It was great.
I'd Rather Be Moshing...
12-05-2007, 4:13 AM
Yeah, I don't hear the Aussie national anthem played too often, only at important graduation assemblies and ANZAC day. I still know most of the words though.
That's a bit harsh to arrest somebody for not standing up during the anthem/pledge, whatever. I guess the kid was being a dick to the teacher, i'd be pretty pissed off too if I had to babysit little shits. Is it actually illegal to not stand up? say you were at a sporting event and they played the anthem, do you have to stand?
edit: dont answer that, probably shoulda read the above comments D=
Cristo
12-05-2007, 9:18 AM
I called you foreign fucks because very few people in this thread trashing the USA about a topic that should be about an idiot teacher are from the US. The people who started the bashing are not from this country, so technically you are foreign. And Arkain and you are making the dumbest generalizations ever. I visit southern states every year and I have never seen the "typical hillbilly home."
Stop making shit up, I've not made one single generalisation in this topic.
HappinessMan
12-05-2007, 4:37 PM
Wow Crissy, does everything have to be about you? Its Arkain making generalizations.
But if you want to be included in this, fine:
I'm pretty sure that international schools in America don't make you do this kind of thing or teach you "AMERICA IS NUMBER ONE" and there must be a number of international schools in America due to the amount of large cities and how politically and economically important America is.
Uhh I don't remember ever being told America is number one. So wait, public schools must be misguided in saying the anthem because every time we do, its saying America is number one? Ok Cristo, go on and believe that. And you know what makes this thread better than it can be? Cristo and Arkain on an ignore list.
There is no where in this video that said the kid got arrested.
Or if anything it said was true.
Cristo
12-05-2007, 4:56 PM
What do you mean NVM? Your, errr, grammar is a bit funky.
Spastic
12-05-2007, 5:01 PM
He just spaced on letter too late, it didn't ruin the post Cristo, just read "now here" as "no where."
BrokenTrafalgar
12-05-2007, 5:13 PM
Haha, this went from discussing how an old guy yelled at kid to bashing America, like two other threads I've seen on this site.
Derelict
12-05-2007, 5:53 PM
Wow Crissy, does everything have to be about you? Its Arkain making generalizations.
But if you want to be included in this, fine:
Uhh I don't remember ever being told America is number one. So wait, public schools must be misguided in saying the anthem because every time we do, its saying America is number one? Ok Cristo, go on and believe that. And you know what makes this thread better than it can be? Cristo and Arkain on an ignore list.
He said he thought they don't teach that.
Cristo
12-05-2007, 5:57 PM
He just spaced on letter too late, it didn't ruin the post Cristo, just read "now here" as "no where."
Oh right thanks.
NVM: I think it says at the end of the video in writing that the guy who videoed and it his 17 year old friends were arrested on four counts of criminal mischief. Whethet that's true or not is debatable of course.
John Travolta
12-06-2007, 2:26 PM
Cristo, judging from every post you have made in this thread I have come to realize that you are the stupidest person in the world.
Cristo
12-06-2007, 3:37 PM
You're mum is the stupidest. Take that!
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