The Dark Tower Series by Stephen King

[BKS]

I'm almost done reading it, being on the 6th out of 7 books, and all I can say is "Holy fucking shit." If you are a fan of King, this is MUST READ, and it's just goddamn creepy how much of his other works he manages to tie in.

The first book is the slowest, but from their it slowly reaches the penultimate of awesome.


Anyone else happen to be reading/read this series?

[Zettler]

Great series eh.
I really loved it.
I liked the first one alot and I didn't find it slow at all.

[Wild5Chef]

Damn am I glad to have signed up for the forums, now I can talk to someone besides my brother about the series. I'm working on the fourth one right now, and might I say "damn". I have never been so wrapped up in a book before. The style of writing and how there are references to modern life locked in with every type of story you can think of is just enticing! This series is amazing, and I'm not even half way through it!

[Idioteque]

Probably the coolest part of this series is the inter-referencing between his other books, its awesome.

[BKS]

Try to keep spoilers covered and label what book they occur in. This will prevent people from getting scenes ruined.

Example:

Book Three I believe it was in this book where they make mention of The Stand. I almost shit bricks at that part.

[Riddlebox]

Probably my favorite series of books. All I have to say is, take his advice at the end of the last book, if you like the ending.

God damn, just awesome work by King. 'Nuff said.

[Wild5Chef]

I loved the third book and found myself becomming unable to put it down. It was a longer one, but very well worth it.

Book three: I loved the third book for its riddles. I couldn't help myself but sit there and solve them. I solved the "My prime pumps backwards" riddle on my own. As well as the older more common ones. It was just an interesting idea to try and solve the riddles along with the Roland and company.

[BKS]

In case you all didnt know, "Sisters of Eluria" takes place in the Dark Tower series. Think "Pre Gunslinger, Post Wizard and Glass"

[Wild5Chef]

I didn't even know about "Little Sisters of Eluria" until hearing it from you just now. I just looked it up and I am a little confused. How can it be pre Gunslinger, but post Wizard and Glass? I'm really entertained by this idea right now. I guess knowing the story so far I shouldn't doubt anything.

When do you think would be the best time to read "Little Sisters of Eluria" then? Does it even matter. I'm curious, seeing as its post Wizard and Glass?

[Mr.Tea]

This series was fantastic, until the last 2 books, then it just went downhill from there. And I mean like a skydiver going down downwards, it was just horrible, HORRIBLE!

[green rubber bands]

This series was fantastic, until the last 2 books, then it just went downhill from there. And I mean like a skydiver going down downwards, it was just horrible, HORRIBLE!

What the fuck are you talking about? I nearly shat my pants during the last two books. However, I will allow that the 6th serves basically as a prelude to the 7th.


I read Hearts in Atlantis before any of the Dark Towers, so I had a bit of an idea of what I was getting into during the first book. However,recently finishing the 7th, I just re-read the first, and it's surprising how much his writing (and, of course, the story) changes.

Like BKS said, he does allude to The Stand (which I have sitting on my desk, unread as of now), but the more obvious one, 'Salem's Lot, is the one that struck me the most. (7th) However, I did enjoy Dink's appearance (from Everything's Eventual), as well as Sheemies'.

I also enjoyed that, even though it was written over a span of over 20 years, it still had a nice flow that many books in a series just don't have, even when written in short order.

Overall, for me, I would pick the 7 Dark Tower books over the Harry Potters. Not even close.

[gtrst7711]

I didn't even know about "Little Sisters of Eluria" until hearing it from you just now. I just looked it up and I am a little confused. How can it be pre Gunslinger, but post Wizard and Glass? I'm really entertained by this idea right now. I guess knowing the story so far I shouldn't doubt anything.

When do you think would be the best time to read "Little Sisters of Eluria" then? Does it even matter. I'm curious, seeing as its post Wizard and Glass?

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These 7 books are my favorite books ever. I'm reading them through for a second time now. I loved Wizard and Glass as well as The Gunslinger the most, I think. I hated knowing that the series comes to end because by the end of this thing I felt so engulfed in the story with the characters and everything.

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[InTransit]

I'm so glad one of the first things in this forum is the series I'm reading at the moment.

I'm currently half way through Wolves of the Calla. My favourite things so far in the series would have to be:
- The way Stephen King brings the people and the scenery alive by his amazing talent in describing everything.
- How every part of every character's story is told so at no point do you feel like you're missing out on any part of the story.
- The whole of book 4 is my favourite at the moment for giving more indepth detail of the character that you've been following around for 3 novels, making him seem much more real.
- Is it just me or is Roland supposed to seem really hot?

I've also read Little Sisters of Eluria which is the main reason I wanted to read this series so badly. Wild5chef, if you're already reading the Dark Tower series, I would suggest leaving Eluria until after you've finished. It doesn't really add anything you need to know to the series, and is definately a stand-alone book. The Dark Tower series flows too well between books to be able to find a nice time to stop and read Eluria.

[Savvy]

I've read the entire series about 10 times (I'm just that sad) because there allot of things you don't 'get' the first time you read through them and because it is the best series ever. Fuck Tolkien and whoever wrote Harry potter. It was like receiving the Vulcan Mind Fuck when I first read the last part of The Dark Tower, I just sat there for a few minutes before it hit me. I can't help wondering how many times Roland has gone through it all and how many things change between resets, like how he picks up the horn Cuthbert drops on Jericho Hill when he gets reset in the last book

Edit: Spoiler is for the last book.

[BKS]

Savvy, could you toss what book your spoiler pertains to please. I don't wanna click it and be like "Oh shit!"


InTransit, I think Roland is supposed to be like the rugged, baddass that you love to hate kinda thing. They directly compare him to Clint Eastwood :clint:, so I suppose if you think Eastwood is hot... I'd say Roland is more of a "Damn, that motherfucker is hardcore. I wanna be like him" situation, but that just might be me.


I found a low quality series map that shows you what books are connected to where. I know there is a better one out there, but thedarktower.net is currently moving databases. This one will have to do.

NOTE: I don't believe these are spoilers, since it's just what books connect to what. However, if you want to find that out on your own accord, don't click the link I guess.
http://www.thedarktower.com/images/bookconnections--large.gif

[Wild5Chef]

I've also read Little Sisters of Eluria which is the main reason I wanted to read this series so badly. Wild5chef, if you're already reading the Dark Tower series, I would suggest leaving Eluria until after you've finished. It doesn't really add anything you need to know to the series, and is definately a stand-alone book. The Dark Tower series flows too well between books to be able to find a nice time to stop and read Eluria.

Thanks InTransit, I'll have to do that. I haven't interrupted the series yet unless I have to read a book for school at the same time and I really didn't want to. Sadly I haven't been into reading for that long, so the books I have read are pretty minimal. Sadly to say the only Stephen King books I have read are the first three of the dark tower. I have a big list to work on though, including the Stand and Hearts in Atlantis.

I really wish I could have a better understanding of the connections he makes to his other works. I think that would just make the story one step better for the reader.

I hate the public library! Get my book you liars! I'm going insane not being able to get my hands on the fourth... I've heard several people here say it is their favorite. Damn. I want to learn more about Roland!

[BKS]

You'll read other books and find mentions and appreciate those books that much more as well.

[Riddlebox]

You guys should check out the website, it's got some great illustrations and such.

Also, new avatar.

http://www.stephenking.com/DarkTower/

Book four and on: Did anyone else make the connection that the 'Thinny' is like, the stuff from the Mist? Maybe?

[green rubber bands]

Book four and on: Did anyone else make the connection that the 'Thinny' is like, the stuff from the Mist? Maybe?

(Four) I always pictured the thinny at Eyebolt Canyon as transparent and shimmering, but I can see where you're coming from with the thinny surrounding the highway leaving Topeka. Why I pictured them differently, I haven't a clue.

[BKS]

Book four and on: Did anyone else make the connection that the 'Thinny' is like, the stuff from the Mist? Maybe?

As soon as I read that, I thought "Hey... that might be right", but then again, who can tell with King?

[Pachycephelosaurus]

As a huge King fan, this series sucked up an entire six months of my life. I basically did nothing but schoolwork and read these books. And the ending was, in my opinion, perfect. Absolutely amazing.

[coldfreak]

dude i love stephen kings books, i have read soo many. That series is awesome, and the 7th book is soo cool, i kinda like the 5th one the best but thats just me

[Wild5Chef]

I am finally getting to work on the fourth one. Im about a hundred pages into it, and can I just say...

Book four: I loved it when Eddie took down Blain. That was just fantastic! Beating the old pain train down with some downtown crazy humor. It was so unexpected that Eddie was going to be the one to beat him at the end of the third book.

[innerearth]

I have read all the books. Its my favorite series of books of all time.
I started reading them when I was 14. The last 3 didnt come out until I was like 20-21 so I kinda grew up with them.
I havent read any of comic books (graphic novels) are they any good?

[green rubber bands]

I havent read any of comic books (graphic novels) are they any good?

I'm about half-way through the first one. It's ok, but having the characters drawn out usually goes against the image I had made for them on my own.

[Mantaur]

King has you hooked no doubt from the very first page. He puts so much detail and effort into such a confusing story it makes it seem like you are actually there. The conversation at the end of book 1 with the man in black blew my mind when i first picked it up. best series ever

[History]

I havent read any of comic books (graphic novels) are they any good?

The cool thing about the graphic novels is that they are chronological instead of utilizing the flashback and they give some background information on things King leaves out of the tower books (Like Maerlyn's rainbow). I think so far they are a good compliment to the series, especially for "Tower Junkies".

I'm about half-way through the first one. It's ok, but having the characters drawn out usually goes against the image I had made for them on my own.

I definately agree, but it's cool to see how artists picture the characters and the land. I also think the graphic novels will turn out to be better adaptations than the possible movie/miniseries will be.

[BKS]

Book 6 HOLY FUCK! Stephen King as a character in his own story? How insane is this man?

[Riddlebox]

Book 6 HOLY FUCK! Stephen King as a character in his own story? How insane is this man?

book six: I actually thought that was kind of lame, like he was trying to make himself a superhero or something. Apparently, you haven't read the last book yet, but if you're like me, it will piss you off

[BKS]

book six: I actually thought that was kind of lame, like he was trying to make himself a superhero or something. Apparently, you haven't read the last book yet, but if you're like me, it will piss you off

Well, at the ending of the 6th book he supposedly dies.

[chinaman]

awesome series, i like how he actually makes references to harry potter, lol i mean like WOW thats crazy. but like i read the series before i actually read a lot of the books he incorporated into them. i mean, i read The Stand before the series, but never looked at salem's lot until after i read the series. i guess the dark tower series also kind of serves as an advertisement for his other books, like it offers some minor details into those books that make u wonder what happens in them, so u'd want to read them
one thing i dont really get though the fricking endless cycle stuff, i mean, how does that work? every time he goes to the top of the tower, the tower becomes broken and the world starts to end? like, if he gives up his goal, wouldnt the world also end? so theres no way for him to win...

-= spoilers are in white font =-

[BKS]

awesome series, i like how he actually makes references to harry potter, lol i mean like WOW thats crazy. but like i read the series before i actually read a lot of the books he incorporated into them. i mean, i read The Stand before the series, but never looked at salem's lot until after i read the series. i guess the dark tower series also kind of serves as an advertisement for his other books, like it offers some minor details into those books that make u wonder what happens in them, so u'd want to read them
one thing i dont really get though the fricking endless cycle stuff, i mean, how does that work? every time he goes to the top of the tower, the tower becomes broken and the world starts to end? like, if he gives up his goal, wouldnt the world also end? so theres no way for him to win...

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You motherfucker. Label the goddamn book your spoilers are from. Fucking jackass.


Last book by the way, way to fucking wreck it.

[Wild5Chef]

Which book is the spoiler from? I'm expecting pretty late in the series seeing as you're pissed about it and you're farther than me. But yeah... if you're going to talk about it than label it correctly.

[Embee90]

The Dark Tower is one of my favorite series ever. I was almost put off by the pacing of the first book, but as soon as I picked up The Drawing of the Three, I was glad I read it because WOW! I think my favorite parts of the whole series are in Drawing of the Three when Eddie/Roland have the shootout at Balazar's (well, actually the entire second book was just the best) and in Wolves of the Calla when Susannah learns how to throw the dish and they all battle the Wolves.

[timbot]

It's a pretty bad ass series. I have to say, though, that I was pretty let down by the ending. Most of the people I've talked to have liked it...I wasn't a big fan. I'd give more explanation, but I don't know how to do the spoiler tag thing...

[Wild5Chef]

It's a pretty bad ass series. I have to say, though, that I was pretty let down by the ending. Most of the people I've talked to have liked it...I wasn't a big fan. I'd give more explanation, but I don't know how to do the spoiler tag thing...

Most of the people I talk to say it is fantastic, amazing in every way and just perfect for it. Only you and one other I've met have said they did not like it.

And for future reference... [ SPOILER ] texttextext [ /SPOILER ]
just remove the spaces.

[Riddlebox]

I thought that the ending was perfect, there was no better way to end it, and I've never really cared for (the ending) the happily ever after, but don't worry it doesn't end like that .

That's not to say I LIKED the ending though, I just thought that it was the only way TO end it.

I hope that made sense.

Also (may contain spoilers) I found a complete list of references King made to the Dark tower in his other books on Wiki. "Tie-ins" if you will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Tower_(series)#Connections_to_King.27s_ot her_works

[chinaman]

You motherfucker. Label the goddamn book your spoilers are from. Fucking jackass.


Last book by the way, way to fucking wreck it.


shit srry man lol, i forgot about labelling WHICH book the spoiler was from... sincerely sorry. i thought labelling it as a spoiler without mentioning which book would automatically mean the end
again, very sorry i ruined the book

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[timbot]

well, now that I know how to do the spoiler thing I'll explain a little more. I actually thought the very ending was really good. The last couple of pages. The part of the ending I didn't like was The Crimson King is erased by a character that's doesn't show up until the end of the last book. That was just cheap if you ask me. Seemed to me that King didn't know how to handle it, so he just made up a character for no other purpose. Very much of the Dues ex Machina idea. But, after that, when Roland climbs the tower and it all starts over...that was good

[BKS]

shit srry man lol, i forgot about labelling WHICH book the spoiler was from... sincerely sorry. i thought labelling it as a spoiler without mentioning which book would automatically mean the end
again, very sorry i ruined the book


Yeah, it's fine... I'm putting off reading it for awhile, I have others to read. Maybe by then I can get a fresh start on it.

[chinaman]

Yeah, it's fine... I'm putting off reading it for awhile, I have others to read. Maybe by then I can get a fresh start on it.

may i recommend Needful Things? an excellent read from King, i noe u'd enjoy it :D

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[BKS]

may i recommend Needful Things? an excellent read from King, i noe u'd enjoy it :D

Already read it. I'm one of the biggest Stephen King fans I know.

[Riddlebox]

Already read it. I'm one of the biggest Stephen King fans I know.

Have you read his work as Bachman? The long walk is still probably one of my favorite stories.

[BKS]

Have you read his work as Bachman? The long walk is still probably one of my favorite stories.

I have most of his works, but I've yet to read some of them. Does he make references to The Dark Tower in them?

[Manicmonkey]

Gah, this is definitely the best series of books I've ever read. I, too, pretty much grew up with the books, which was pretty horrible because of the huge gaps between each book's release. I read the final book when it was first released, so it's been about 4 years since I was caught up in the world of Roland the Gunslinger. I'd love to talk about theories and such, but I really need to reread the entire series so I can remember all of it. Maybe in a year or so, those books were so intense that they really sucked a lot of time out of my social life and such.

[Riddlebox]

I have most of his works, but I've yet to read some of them. Does he make references to The Dark Tower in them?

Some people think so, like at the end of the Long Walk, someone beckons the main character and it's perceived by some to be The Walkin' Dude, Randall Flagg himself, And I think Randall Flagg is also Walter (or marten, I don't remember)

They're a stretch, but they're in there.

[BKS]

Some people think so, like at the end of the Long Walk, someone beckons the main character and it's perceived by some to be The Walkin' Dude, Randall Flagg himself, And I think Randall Flagg is also Walter (or marten, I don't remember)

They're a stretch, but they're in there.



Either third or fourth book It explicitly states that Randall Flagg is Marten

[INTUNEevolution]

I'm almost done reading it, being on the 6th out of 7 books, and all I can say is "Holy fucking shit." If you are a fan of King, this is MUST READ, and it's just goddamn creepy how much of his other works he manages to tie in.

The first book is the slowest, but from their it slowly reaches the penultimate of awesome.


Anyone else happen to be reading/read this series?
I'd say Susannah's Song is the slowest, with The Wasteland being the best and most entertaining. But if you are a fan of great literature, this series is not a MUST READ. As far as I can tell, it's just King fiction, which is without a message or any real literary elements. But if you like conflict with nothing else really, this is an OK series. I read it a couple years ago when I was 12 and then finished it at 14. They came out so far apart :/.

[green rubber bands]

I'd say Susannah's Song is the slowest, with The Wasteland being the best and most entertaining. But if you are a fan of great literature, this series is not a MUST READ. As far as I can tell, it's just King fiction, which is without a message or any real literary elements. But if you like conflict with nothing else really, this is an OK series. I read it a couple years ago when I was 12 and then finished it at 14. They came out so far apart :/.

I'd be willing to bet that in 100-500 years, King will go down as the next Dickens or Shakespeare, and The Dark Tower series will be a collage course.

[timbot]

King will not go down as the next Shakespeare. I doubt anyone will ever be called "the next Shakespeare." Shakespeare is regarded too highly in general world of Literature. Nor will he go down as the next Dickens. Not only is he not a good enough author to be put in a league with Dickens, he doesn't write the right kind of stuff. It's hard to be a horror/thriller writer and gain that kind acclaim.

[BKS]

King will not go down as the next Shakespeare. I doubt anyone will ever be called "the next Shakespeare." Shakespeare is regarded too highly in general world of Literature. Nor will he go down as the next Dickens. Not only is he not a good enough author to be put in a league with Dickens, he doesn't write the right kind of stuff. It's hard to be a horror/thriller writer and gain that kind acclaim.

So, stories like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde aren't considered Horror? I know personally I am a fan boy, but last time I checked, Dracula, Frankenstein, all horrors and all considered classics. Sounds like you don't like the guy.


King is by far, one of the most, if not the most successful writers of the time. Look at all the books/short stories that have been turned into movies, and the numerous numbers of awards he's won. I think the potential is there.

[February Stars]

Anyone else happen to be reading/read this series?

Already read the series.

Stephen King has always been one of my favorite authors. Horror is one of my main interests in movies and books, and King has always delivered his share of gruesome brutality in a way no other author can do.

The Dark Tower series, is probably one of the greatest series of books ever released, although, between writings, I got caught up in the release of his other books, considering there was a period of a year or two between each book. But it's worth the wait. Anyone who doesn't have this series, I highly recommend running out to your Barnes and Nobel and breaking in right now to get it.

Also, anyone who'd be interested, I'd suggest "The Talisman" by Stephen King (And Peter Straub) over this series. It's an incredible read.

[BKS]

Already read the series.

Stephen King has always been one of my favorite authors. Horror is one of my main interests in movies and books, and King has always delivered his share of gruesome brutality in a way no other author can do.

The Dark Tower series, is probably one of the greatest series of books ever released, although, between writings, I got caught up in the release of his other books, considering there was a period of a year or two between each book. But it's worth the wait. Anyone who doesn't have this series, I highly recommend running out to your Barnes and Nobel and breaking in right now to get it.

Also, anyone who'd be interested, I'd suggest "The Talisman" by Stephen King (And Peter Straub) over this series. It's an incredible read.

The Talisman is a wonderful read. If only I could find my copy of Black House...

[February Stars]

The Talisman is a wonderful read. If only I could find my copy of Black House...

Agreed. As you said earlier, King is definitely one of the most successful authors of the current day and age.

I know my book case is full of his books, along with Dean Koontz. Intensity is a great novel.

But King delivers a powerful story and knows how to keep a reader intersted. I know that the first King book I read was "The Mist", and I remeber it to this day. It really had quite an impact on me. I'd never had read anything quite like it before. I know that when I'm waiting for him to write a new book, I read The Mist often times than not because it keeps me busy.

[timbot]

So, stories like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde aren't considered Horror? I know personally I am a fan boy, but last time I checked, Dracula, Frankenstein, all horrors and all considered classics. Sounds like you don't like the guy.


King is by far, one of the most, if not the most successful writers of the time. Look at all the books/short stories that have been turned into movies, and the numerous numbers of awards he's won. I think the potential is there.

I knew someone would bring this up. Those are all classic literary works, but those aren't famous horror authors.

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde by Robert Louis Stevenson--not a "horror author"
Dracula by Bram Stoker--wrote one famous book. Wasn't a popular author, and generally isn't considered on the same plane as Shakespeare or even Dickens.
Frankenstein by Mary Shelley--Also, not a "horror author." Also, not generally considered one of the greats--unlike her husband, Percy Bysshe

I don't think there's much room for anyone to make it as a horror author. Also, the three you picked deal with much greater issues than King has ever done. In fact, a lot of people would argue that Frankenstein and Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde aren't really horror stories.

The best that King can hope for is for something of his to become famous for the same reason that Beowulf did. That is...everything else is destroyed, and his becomes the oldest work in the language.

[BKS]

Well, my first King book was IT, and I was like a coke fiend after that. The way King writes is sophisticated enough to be literate, but put in a conversational, in your face tone.

I think it was the cell that had the quote: The naked man ran forward, his penis swinging like the pendulum of a grandfather clock.

If he doesn't go down as the next Dickens, then most definitely a close second.

[timbot]

"The naked man ran forward, his penis swinging like the pendulum of a grandfather clock." You're comparing him to dickens because of that? It doesn't take much sophistication to realize that a penis swings when a man runs. Also, I should hope he's literate. If not, it would be pretty damn hard to be an author.
King will be forgotten in no time.

[green rubber bands]

I don't think there's much room for anyone to make it as a horror author. Also, the three you picked deal with much greater issues than King has ever done. In fact, a lot of people would argue that Frankenstein and Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde aren't really horror stories.

The best that King can hope for is for something of his to become famous for the same reason that Beowulf did. That is...everything else is destroyed, and his becomes the oldest work in the language.

Who are you and what the fuck do you have against Stephen King?

According to your logic, because he is a great author, popular, and has written over 40 full length books and hundreds of short stories, he will NEVER EVER BE REMEMBERED. EVER.

:clap:

[timbot]

I have nothing against Stephen King--see, I even know how to spell his name. I used to be a big fan. I don't hate him, but I don't think he's going to be considered one of the great authors of the English language.
Also, you have my logic all wrong. It's not because of what he's done that I don't think he'll be remembered. It's because he's done nothing memorable. He lacks the depth of the literary greats. His books are creepy/scary, but rarely go beyond that emotion. His books say little about humanity in general. His scope is too narrow to gain him lasting fame. He may have a book or two that will survive, but King will not remain as a great author.
When you guys grow up a little, we can talk about this again.

[innerearth]

I have nothing against Stephen King--see, I even know how to spell his name. I used to be a big fan. I don't hate him, but I don't think he's going to be considered one of the great authors of the English language.
Also, you have my logic all wrong. It's not because of what he's done that I don't think he'll be remembered. It's because he's done nothing memorable. He lacks the depth of the literary greats. His books are creepy/scary, but rarely go beyond that emotion. His books say little about humanity in general. His scope is too narrow to gain him lasting fame. He may have a book or two that will survive, but King will not remain as a great author.
When you guys grow up a little, we can talk about this again.

OK ill see you in a few hundred years and we will see who was right.

I am not going to say he is going to be considered one of the great authors of the English language. But they have made a lot of movies from his books and he sold a crap load of the books. His stories will definitely be around for a long time and I am thinking more than 2.

[BKS]

I have nothing against Stephen King--see, I even know how to spell his name. I used to be a big fan. I don't hate him, but I don't think he's going to be considered one of the great authors of the English language.
Also, you have my logic all wrong. It's not because of what he's done that I don't think he'll be remembered. It's because he's done nothing memorable. He lacks the depth of the literary greats. His books are creepy/scary, but rarely go beyond that emotion. His books say little about humanity in general. His scope is too narrow to gain him lasting fame. He may have a book or two that will survive, but King will not remain as a great author.
When you guys grow up a little, we can talk about this again.


So, The Body is just meant to creep people out? Last time I checked, the movie adaptation was hailed the best coming of age tale ever. The Talisman, a boy going through Hell to save his mother, not very emotional.


*cough* The Green Mile, The Shawshank Redemption( Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption) *cough*, yeah, they were pretty one dimensional too.

But on the topic of this thread, I'd even say the entire Dark Tower series stands for more than just a "horror" story.

[History]

Also, you have my logic all wrong. It's not because of what he's done that I don't think he'll be remembered. It's because he's done nothing memorable. He lacks the depth of the literary greats. His books are creepy/scary, but rarely go beyond that emotion. His books say little about humanity in general. His scope is too narrow to gain him lasting fame. He may have a book or two that will survive, but King will not remain as a great author.
When you guys grow up a little, we can talk about this again.

You seem to be making the assumption that because King writes to entertain he can not possibly delve into some more in depth issues. I completely disagree with you. King's books deal with more than just the creep factor. He explores in almost every book I have read of his the battle between good and evil, and more importantly a person's ability to do good or evil. Although he has clear cut heroes and villains, he also offers ambiguity in his characters, their thought processes, and events that made them turn one way or another. If anyone has ever read The Stand I am specifically thinking of the characters Nadine and Harold as an example. If you really want to delve into it he could be commenting on nature vs nurture without taking sides. Some people are inherently good or evil while others are influenced by the people or events surrounding them.

Lets take an idea from The Dark Tower. (Spoiler is more conceptual than plot related) Do people have free will or is everything driven by Ka? To what extent do the characters choose what they do and to what extent is it their destiny? These are questions that we think about and struggle with, go take a trip to the debate zone and read the thread titles. Sorry dude, but King goes a bit deeper than you're giving him credit for. If you need more examples I have the ammunition, but I think this post is long enough.

[timbot]

Ok, let's see if I can answer everyone quickly and concisely.
To Innerearth: His books probably will hang around for a decent amount of time. I'm sure they won't disappear immediately after his death. But there's a difference between lasting for a little while and being on the same level as Dickens or Shakespeare.
To BK: Stand by Me is a good movie. So is The Shining. But, Stephen King doesn't make movies. Do you know who wrote The Exorcist? Another great movie, but the author of the book is no Shakespeare. Who wrote the story behind Bladerunner? Or Close Range, or Jaws. Hell, I'll even give you some easier ones. Who wrote One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest or A Clockwork Orange? Just because one's books have been turned into movies doesn't mean that one is necessarily going to be a classic author. (That's all also in response to one of your earlier posts, just to be clear.)
I also didn't say he "never" went beyond those emotions, just rarely. He can get into deeper emotions, just not very often and not very well--on the whole.
I also think it's funny that the guy who pushed Frankenstein and Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde into the horror category is now trying to show that King's writing goes outside that scope. Have you even read the horror classics you talked about?
To History: I'm not making any assumptions about his works. I'm making an evaluation based on what I've read. I haven't read all of his works, but I've read a good chunk. He does have a definite good/evil thing that is rarely ambiguous. And, I have to admit I do like that aspect at times. But it's too simply and eventually it gets stale.
Also, when did I say anything about him being bad because he writes to entertain? Don't put words in my mouth. Lots of famous authors wrote to entertain. I just don't think King is going to be considered "one of the greats," because he's not a good enough writer.

[BKS]

I was merely stating that horror stories can be considered classics, which you so raptly disagreed with.

The difference between King and all those other writers, is that you hear people saying "Oh, did you see that new Stephen King movie?" He's a more well known author in the public eye, most of his movies being labeled as "Stephen King's".

Perhaps the reason Bladerunner, a damn good movie in my opinion, wasn't ever connected to Dick's works is because the title of his book is completely different.

EDIT: I typed raptly, aptly came out instead.

[Wild5Chef]

Alright, I honestly can't say whether or not King is going to be remembered a hundred or more years from now. I say there is a good possibility, and I'm gonna go ahead and root for him. Most of his work is known for the horror side of it, but The Dark Tower series is by far just a horror series. It has just about every style of writing withen the books.

He also does bring up some of the human characteristics in his characters. Stated prior, how much action do humans have over themselves, and the decisions they make when love is concerned. he describes how they act on raw emotion and how they grow up with companions with the effects of that.

Now that that is said, I don't mind this conversation. But this has become more of a debate thread over King's popularity and skill, rather than discussing The Dark Tower series.

[BKS]

Alright, I honestly can't say whether or not King is going to be remembered a hundred or more years from now. I say there is a good possibility, and I'm gonna go ahead and root for him. Most of his work is known for the horror side of it, but The Dark Tower series is by far just a horror series. It has just about every style of writing withen the books.

He also does bring up some of the human characteristics in his characters. Stated prior, how much action do humans have over themselves, and the decisions they make when love is concerned. he describes how they act on raw emotion and how they grow up with companions with the effects of that.

Now that that is said, I don't mind this conversation. But this has become more of a debate thread over King's popularity and skill, rather than discussing The Dark Tower series.


Agreed, favorite good guy anyone?

[timbot]

I was merely stating that horror stories can be considered classics, which you so aptly disagreed with.

The difference between King and all those other writers, is that you hear people saying "Oh, did you see that new Stephen King movie?" He's a more well known author in the public eye, most of his movies being labeled as "Stephen King's".

Perhaps the reason Bladerunner, a damn good movie in my opinion, wasn't ever connected to Dick's works is because the title of his book is completely different.

Ok, my final word here, because it is getting off topic.
I never said that a horror story couldn't be a classic. I was saying that a "horror author" doesn't stand much chance of being considered a great author in the long run. If you'd wanted to make a stronger argument, you should have gone with the example of Poe instead of listing 3 "horror" classics by three different authors. Of course, Poe can be used for my side as well to say that Poe is the only author in history to make a name for himself based mainly on the horror genre.
Also to say I "aptly disagreed" doesn't make any sense. Unless you're trying to say that competently disagreed. And, if my disagreement was competent, then you're saying I was right and you were wrong. I don't think that was your intention.

Sure, you may hear King's name associated with those movies more than you would with some other authors. In part because his name is actually part of the official title in some cases (maybe all...I didn't really look it up). But, probably in larger part because he's still a living, popular author. However, that's all really beside the point. None of that has any bearing on whether or not he's a good author. Stephen King is not a good author because the movie The Shining is so good. If The Shawshank Redemption goes down in history as one of the great movies of all time, that won't make Stephen King comparable to Shakespeare. Get what I'm saying. Even if his name sticks around because it's attached to some decent movies, that's not the same as being the next Shakespeare or Dickens.

[Wild5Chef]

Ok, my final word here, because it is getting off topic.
I never said that a horror story couldn't be a classic. I was saying that a "horror author" doesn't stand much chance of being considered a great author in the long run. If you'd wanted to make a stronger argument, you should have gone with the example of Poe instead of listing 3 "horror" classics by three different authors. Of course, Poe can be used for my side as well to say that Poe is the only author in history to make a name for himself based mainly on the horror genre.


Yes, Edgar Allen Poe is a well known author that is known for his horror style of writing. Many schools across the nations use it in their classes to teach, I believe I study him in middle school. I still remember the story of the beating heart beneath the floor boards. But this doesn't seem to be on topic anymore, let's just drop it... or make a debate thread in the debate forum.

Here, I'll start us off...

Book 3 I am extremly interested to see where the story goes with Susannah becomming pregnant from the demon in the clearing. It was a very intense moment in the story and so far her companions do not know that she suspects herself of being pregnant... any theories based from THIS POINT would be a good discussion.

[timbot]

I don't know how to discuss Susannah and her pregnancy. I've already read all the books, so I know what happens.
But, up to BK's question. How can anyone beat Roland as the favorite good guy? Though, for some reason, I did always like Cuthbert. Maybe just because of his name.

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[Wild5Chef]

I don't know how to discuss Susannah and her pregnancy. I've already read all the books, so I know what happens.
But, up to BK's question. How can anyone beat Roland as the favorite good guy? Though, for some reason, I did always like Cuthbert. Maybe just because of his name.

You should obviously read my post a little more clearly, and it was just a suggestion. Seeing as I don't know too much about Cuthbert I can not contribute to this yet.

Also, please use spoiler tags. That is why I put it under a spoiler.

[History]

My favorite is by far Eddie Dean. I think he's responsible for Roland's growing sense of humor throughout the series. Book 2: I love the development of Eddie's character. When he is introduced on the airplane and he is a junkie, Roland has so many doubts about his ability to be a gunslinger. Plus, the shootout at Balazar's is one of my favorite scenes, and you can tell that Roland is already starting to respect Eddie when he is forced to fight in the nude. Books 3 and 4: I really like how Roland criticizes Eddie about being silly, but this is possibly the only thing that saves them from Blaine's suicidal run. Eddie becomes an unexpected hero in books 3 and 4 first with the key, then with the riddles, saving the ka tet's bacon twice despite his own personal doubts and the ghost of his dead brother constantly in his mind. This might sound dumb, but my second favorite is Oy. I think he offers the most comic relief throughout the series.

[BKS]

Book3?I don't know how to discuss Susannah and her pregnancy. I've already read all the books, so I know what happens.
But, up to BK's question. How can anyone beat Roland as the favorite good guy? Though, for some reason, I did always like Cuthbert. Maybe just because of his name.


Well obviously everyone is going to have some love for Roland, I thought that was a given. Still, I happen to find book2or3Jake as one of my favorite characters. He's just pretty damn cool.

[Wild5Chef]

My favorite is by far Eddie Dean. I think he's responsible for Roland's growing sense of humor throughout the series. Book 2: I love the development of Eddie's character. When he is introduced on the airplane and he is a junkie, Roland has so many doubts about his ability to be a gunslinger. Plus, the shootout at Balazar's is one of my favorite scenes, and you can tell that Roland is already starting to respect Eddie when he is forced to fight in the nude. Books 3 and 4: I really like how Roland criticizes Eddie about being silly, but this is possibly the only thing that saves them from Blaine's suicidal run. Eddie becomes an unexpected hero in books 3 and 4 first with the key, then with the riddles, saving the ka tet's bacon twice despite his own personal doubts and the ghost of his dead brother constantly in his mind. This might sound dumb, but my second favorite is Oy. I think he offers the most comic relief throughout the series.

I have to completly agree! Eddie Dean is easily my favorite character past Roland. Basically for every reason stated above. Book 3-Beginning of 4 I was literally cheering for Eddie Dean while I was reading him taking down Blaine the Pain. His downtown street smarts and wit save all of their hides and he fried that bastards circuits! Probably one of my favorite parts at this point!

[Riddlebox]

I'd have to say that my favorite characters are Cuthbert and Oy. Jake Chambers is pretty awesome as well. Picking a favorite doesn't seem fair though, the book just wouldn't be the same without any one of them.

[timbot]

sorry about the lack of a spoiler tag up there. Just slipped my mind. I'm still not sure what it was you thought was up for discussion/theorizing? I read your post several times, since you said I had read it wrong, but all I could get out of it is you wanted people to toss out their thoughts about what might happen. Not a discussion I could join since I already know...

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[INTUNEevolution]

Besides agreeing with timbot on almost everything he said above, I would say The Wasteland is the best in the series, followed by The Gunslinger and then The Dark Tower. There is nothing cooler than Blaine the Train.

[timbot]

I'm glad to see that someone agrees with me, and it's not all just fanboys. Not only that, but it's a dude with an Aku picture. But, back on topic. I think I'd say that The Wastelands is my favorite as well, then probably The Gunslinger. I'm not sure what my number 3 would be, though. To be honest, I was a little disappointed by The Dark Tower. I didn't like the way a lot of things were resolved. I thought Wizard and Glass was pretty cool. I liked the stuff that had that old western feel.

[INTUNEevolution]

Oh man, the conclusion to the Dark Tower is so sweet. But you're right, it did get sort of circuitous and I really hate to use the word but pointless? It's kind of like talking to myself, but Cuthbert was my favorite character, too. Some of the stuff in Wizard and Glass made me unnecessarily uncomfortable. The old woman getting turned on by the pink orb freaks me out a bit.

[Riddlebox]

Oh man, the conclusion to the Dark Tower is so sweet. But you're right, it did get sort of circuitous and I really hate to use the word but pointless? It's kind of like talking to myself, but Cuthbert was my favorite character, too. Some of the stuff in Wizard and Glass made me unnecessarily uncomfortable. The old woman getting turned on by the pink orb freaks me out a bit.

That's what bothered you? What about the part where {Book 4}:Rhea is basically molesting Susan inside of her house?Christ that was uncomfortable to read.

[diableri]

That's what bothered you? What about the part where {Book 4}:Rhea is basically molesting Susan inside of her house?Christ that was uncomfortable to read.

*very partial Graphic Novel spoiler*

I don't know if you've read the graphic novels through yet but that becomes only more creepy when you see Rhea and Susan drawn. yuck

[INTUNEevolution]

hehe.
NIICE.

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[Wild5Chef]

Oh man, the conclusion to the Dark Tower is so sweet. But you're right, it did get sort of circuitous and I really hate to use the word but pointless? It's kind of like talking to myself, but Cuthbert was my favorite character, too. Some of the stuff in Wizard and Glass made me unnecessarily uncomfortable. The old woman getting turned on by the pink orb freaks me out a bit.

That's what bothered you? What about the part where {Book 4}:Rhea is basically molesting Susan inside of her house?Christ that was uncomfortable to read.

I have not been that bad with either of those parts, what got me a little bit was (Book 2) when King goes into detail of Balazar's body guards giving Eddie Dean his cavity search while looking for the drugs. Now that was a little odd to read.

[Torrance]

I am such a fan of King. However i think that after the 5th one it slowed down a bit. Still trying to get back into the 6th book. I like how everything ties in together and the 4th book seems to restate everything that happened in 1-3, at least the way I read it anyway. I'm not sure how it ends yet...but when I do make it through, I will know.
My Grandma is the coolest, she bought me the first 4 for a christmas gift.

[BKS]

I have not been that bad with either of those parts, what got me a little bit was (Book 2) when King goes into detail of Balazar's body guards giving Eddie Dean his cavity search while looking for the drugs. Now that was a little odd to read.

That shit barely fazed me. His other such, such as penis lopped off and placed in mouths/nailed to walls as seen in "It" are so much more disturbing.

[INTUNEevolution]

The death of oh-whats-his-name from Green Mile, when the sponge was dry was the most disgusting thing King has written.

[Wild5Chef]

Now that just sounds terrible... but remember I'm new to king. The Dark Tower series is all I know. So disembodied penis' will just have to wait till some other time.

[amjoyce]

I just finished book four this morning and I have to say: Spoiler, Book 4:When Susan dies at the end and then you find out about Roland killing his own mother, it is beyond depressing. Even though you know that Susan's death is coming, it still tugs at the emotions. The background really outlined how Roland came to be such a hard individual. My favorite of the series so far.

[NVM]

Cell and this thread got me interested.
I just started The Gunslinger.

[BKS]

The Gunslinger is a bit confusing, but once you hit The Drawing of the 3, you'll fall in love.


Amjoyce, type [spoiler] before your spoilers and then /spoiler in brackets afterwards.

[stupidpuppet]

Book four and on: Did anyone else make the connection that the 'Thinny' is like, the stuff from the Mist? Maybe?

I have always had the same idea. I just assumed I was subconciously combining my favorite Stephen King works.

I also know some of you are checking out the new graphic novels. I've got volume one and I'm impressed by the artwork and the storyline. Though I don't recommend picking one up until after you've finished the entire series. There's a lot revealed very quickly and it could really spoil a good read.

[NVM]

The Gunslinger is a bit confusing, but once you hit The Drawing of the 3, you'll fall in love.


Yeah it was bit difficult to get into until the last 3rd of it. If the rest of books keep the pace of the last two chapters, than I'm defiantly reading it.

[DataReaper]

this the finest series of books that I've ever read. it's just so complete.

also, the comics are fantastically beautiful and full of quality information pertaining to historic background. if you're a tower fan and havent seen the comics then you should really check them out; they arent so much the books in comic form, as companions to the original series. very nice.

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[YourOnlyGod]

i know.... good book...classic King.

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[diableri]

this the finest series of books that I've ever read. it's just so complete.

also, the comics are fantastically beautiful and full of quality information pertaining to historic background. if you're a tower fan and havent seen the comics then you should really check them out; they arent so much the books in comic form, as companions to the original series. very nice.

At the risk of belaboring this point; seriously the comics have some incredible explanations and background in them. They are rife with spoilers so I don't even want to post them tagged other than to say that if you enjoyed the series you won't be sorry about the money or so bucks for the full comic series.

The artwork in the comics is also fantastic and the imagery is just about dead on with what I imagined as I read the books. There is a double page drawing of Susan Delgado that is frame worthy if you are a comic art fan as well.

EDIT: Guess they are more expensive now than when I bought them! Took out what I paid for them.

[Riddlebox]

I gotta bump this to tell people about a dark tower tie-in.

I watched the Mist (finally), and noticed that at the beginning, the guy is painting Roland. Kudos to the director for throwing that in.

Also, are the Graphic novels/comic books worth purchasing?

[Heloisa]

You'll read other books and find mentions and appreciate those books that much more as well.

You are completely right. I'm re-reading some material from Stephen King now and it's very interesting how his books completely changes after reading The Dark Tower. Especially Insomnia.

All the seven books are great, especially #4, Wizard and Glass... perfetc.


Kisses

[INTUNEevolution]

The graphic novels are really awesome, but they really are just The Dark Tower all over again.

I would say what I don't like about the Dark Tower is the people who read it. They use it as a vessel to pretend that they are well-read, when all they did was waste their time on a giant series with no substantial value. I know this because I used to fit this series into every conversation I had about books. When I was 12 :p

People can be proud about the oddest of things.

[BKS]

Well, good news, I've finally started the last book. I had put it off, hoping to forget a spoiler I had read on here, that didn't work, so I figured, "The Hell with it, lemme get some Roland."


Soon to finish I hope.

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"The man in black fled across the desert, and the Gunslinger followed..."

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[King_George_ii]

The bit I found most disturbing in the series was in book 4 when that woman was licking her house clean I was like WTF?! Even after I had finished the last book the series preoccupied my mind for quite awhile. Oh and also saddest bit I think in book 7 When Oy saves Roland. God Oy was an awesome character

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[BKS]

My pardons for the bump. I have finally gotten around to finishing the series

Book7When Oy saves Roland. God Oy was an awesome character


When I read that, I was just like "Oh come on. You already took my favorite characters, what the shit."


One of the biggest things I liked was again, all the connections, but one of the few that stood out was the ones relating to Book7 Hearts in Atlantis and Everything's Eventual. I thought those were splendid, seeing as how I read the latter and not realizing who was in it.


Books 5-7? What was everybody's opinion on Stephen King being a character in his own book?

[InTransit]

My pardons for the bump. I have finally gotten around to finishing the series

Books 5-7? What was everybody's opinion on Stephen King being a character in his own book?

I finished reading this about a month ago and totally forgot to post in here about it.

So, with your spoiler up there, I thought it was actually really clever of him to do it. I think many authors would've wanted to do it at some point, but haven't been able to. And the way it played into the fates of the characters and even took in accounts of his real life i.e. the car accident, makes me think he'd had this planned all along.

End of the books spoiler so don't read it unless you've read THE ENTIRE SERIES!!! At the end of the books, it actually made me really depressed having been on this massive journey with all these characters who had loved and then lost each other and their lives only to find out that the one person you've grown with the most, Roland, is going to have to re-live all of the loss all over again until he's paid for his past sins. I actually found myself feeling for this imaginary character, hoping he'd get his actions right in his next life so he wouldn't have to see all his friends die again.

But all in all, this series was fucking fantastic. I love Stephen King. He is my hero.

[BKS]

I finished reading this about a month ago and totally forgot to post in here about it.

So, with your spoiler up there, I thought it was actually really clever of him to do it. I think many authors would've wanted to do it at some point, but haven't been able to. And the way it played into the fates of the characters and even took in accounts of his real life i.e. the car accident, makes me think he'd had this planned all along.

End of the books spoiler so don't read it unless you've read THE ENTIRE SERIES!!! At the end of the books, it actually made me really depressed having been on this massive journey with all these characters who had loved and then lost each other and their lives only to find out that the one person you've grown with the most, Roland, is going to have to re-live all of the loss all over again until he's paid for his past sins. I actually found myself feeling for this imaginary character, hoping he'd get his actions right in his next life so he wouldn't have to see all his friends die again.

But all in all, this series was fucking fantastic. I love Stephen King. He is my hero.

Amen. The way King managed to pull of his own character, and even tosses in the deus ex machina and just fully combines both worlds. I just came when I read his name.

[Eticket]

I stopped reading about a 1/4 way through 6. I enjoyed it well enough but as time passed I picked up other books and authors and never made my way back.

I've been reading the comics though, so I'll probably pick the books up again eventually.

It's cool to see the tie-ins to the Dark Tower series in his other works.

[NVM]

Just finished The Drawing of the Three.
Much better and interesting than The Gunslinger, probably going to start the third one soon.

[BKS]

Just finished The Drawing of the Three.
Much better and interesting than The Gunslinger, probably going to start the third one soon.

If you can get over The Gunslinger, you're set for a series of books to read. It's worth giving it a try.

[Alcoholic]

My buddy loaned me The Gunslinger, and as soon as I finish a few others i started ahead of it, I'll start on it. I've heard good and wild things about it, and have never been interested in much of Stephen kings work. I doubt I'll get too far into the series because of a number of things I already have and would honestly rather read, but it could be cool for killing extra time.

[BKS]

If you get into the series, you might not have a choice but to finish reading it.

It's pretty addicting.

[InTransit]

Personally, I would say if you're not going to finish the series, don't even start it. It's not meant to be read as individual books. It's meant to be read as a journey. You won't understand parts, and there will be so many unanswered questions, that it's completely pointless for you reading only a part of the books.

[NVM]

Should I read The Stand sometime, it seems like it interweaves with the Dark Tower alot.

[diableri]

Should I read The Stand sometime, it seems like it interweaves with the Dark Tower alot.

The Stand is fantastic. Lots of tie-ins, great characters and incredible imagery. I would recommend it prior to the Dark Tower series actually but if you've already gone down that road, the tie-ins will still be fun just not the "holy fuck!" moments if they're read the other way around imo.

[BassBastard]

I see it being impossible, but were they to make The Gunslinger epic into a series of movies, who do you see as the main characters?
I can see David Rees Snell (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0811027/) as Roland. On "The Shield" he has that dark, quiet thing going already. CCH Pounder (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001634/) (Also on "The Shield) as Odetta/Detta/Susannah and Ed Norton (http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=ed+norton&x=0&y=0) as Eddie.

I love the Connections page on Stephan King's site.
http://www.stephenking.com/darktower/connections.html



Thoughts?

[OrrWhat86]

I see it being impossible, but were they to make The Gunslinger epic into a series of movies, who do you see as the main characters?
I can see David Rees Snell (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0811027/) as Roland. On "The Shield" he has that dark, quiet thing going already. CCH Pounder (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001634/) (Also on "The Shield) as Odetta/Detta/Susannah and Ed Norton (http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=ed+norton&x=0&y=0) as Eddie.

I love the Connections page on Stephan King's site.
http://www.stephenking.com/darktower/connections.html



Thoughts?

My thoughts on this are simple, I'd love to see more from Snell, but I don't think he could pull off Roland, especially with Ed Norton as Eddie. Norton would dominate the screen, as he does, and Roland would be left behind, and that just wouldn't be right. Roland is the central character, the whole story is based around him, all others are just hangers-on in Roland's story. I believe in Snell for Roland, I'd pay to see it, but you'd need somebody lesser for the supporting roles. Maybe, if it was made in 5 years time, Snell for Roland, Shia Lebouf for Eddie (Remember, 5 years from now) and I can't think of any good young African American actresses for Sussanah/Odetta/Detta right now, but I'm sure there are one's out there. I say this simply because I think CCH Pounder would be too old for the part. Thats just my opinion though.

Goddammit, now I really want to see Snell as Roland, or in any major part. Did you know (off topic) that they created the part of Ronnie Gardockie in "The Shield" just for him, because they loved him so much. Same with Kenneth Johnson and Curtis Lemansky(spelling?) When they wrote it, there was no "Strike team" It was just Vic and Shane as partners. How bad would that have been.
Sorry for the o/t rant.

[Deuce42]

I'm about fourty pages deep in the seventh and final book, and I must say I've lost interest. It turned from an engrossing, awesome story to a self glorifying ego fest. I like most of King's works that I've read, but he is an egotistical bastard, and none of his works I've read show this more than the later books of The Dark Tower.
In all fairness, I haven't finished, so that's not quite my final opinion, but I haven't picked up the book in almost a month, because I just got sick of the twisted, boring, and for the most part action-free story toward the end. I loved The Gunslinger for its originality and Wizard and Glass, because it gave a lot of the backstory.

[BassBastard]

I see that as just him taking the cross pollination of story line to the next level. He is technically god in these books. Yeah, ego is all there. Yeah, if Roland and party showed up at my back door, I would think it was cool. Not sure if that would be considered a spoiler.

[20000leaguesundermybutt]

I've read them all twice. The ending never gets any easier or less painful. Stephen King is cruel.

[timbot]

Books 5-7? What was everybody's opinion on Stephen King being a character in his own book?

I thought that was one of the worst things about the series. The idea is kind of neat...the characters meet their creator. But, it just seemed like too much. Suddenly, King is god. He had a good thing running with all the alternate worlds and people moving from one to another. But the addition of himself as character/god in a world that he is in some way creating is just too much. It would have been a bad idea if he'd made the author someone else, and even worse when he actually tried to make it himself.
And BKS, did you praise deus ex machina? Anything in a plot that can be described that way is a very weak point.

[Verschtunken]

I'm halfway through the seventh one, have been there for a month. What a bad book, argh.

The Drawing of the Three, The Waste Lands, Wizard and Glass and Wolves of the Calla were some of the best books I've read, though. There's always something awesome going on in these four.

[Riddlebox]

What's wrong with you guys? sure (end of 7)when Roland finally reaches the Dark Tower and everyone dies it's a pisser, but I don't think the books should really have ended in a different way.

[InTransit]

I loved the way it ended and it shouldn't have ended any differently. It just made me sad.

[starrydynamo]

You'll either love or hate the ending of the whole series...

[OrrWhat86]

I loved the fact that King wrote in a warning about the epilogue, saying "Dont read this, be happy with the ending I've given you."

But you have to read it, to have come so far and not know what is at the top of tower would be blasphemy. But once you've read it, you wish you hadn't. In my mind, that in itself makes it great.

[BKS]

I loved the fact that King wrote in a warning about the epilogue, saying "Dont read this, be happy with the ending I've given you."

But you have to read it, to have come so far and not know what is at the top of tower would be blasphemy. But once you've read it, you wish you hadn't. In my mind, that in itself makes it great.

I was devastated.

[BassBastard]

OK, shifting topic again.
I think I came up with a better Roland, but I stick with my picks for Eddie and Susannah.
Viggo Mortensen (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001557/)
I think he would make one hell of a Roland.
To go super pop for Susannah, Alisha Keys would fit.
I honestly can not get past CCH Pounder though.

[Riddlebox]

Susannah and Eddie can only be played by undiscovered actors In my opinion. Seeing them as a famous face would ruin it for me. Same with Jake. Maybe Tom Jane can pull off a decent Eddie.

I don't feel that Viggo is old enough to play Roland, he does seem mentor-ish enough. I don't know who can pull off a haggard, old look, without appearing frail. I'm not sure anyone can pull off Roland.

I could see James Cromwell as Pere Callahan. That just seems like a good fit, and Carl Reiner as Brautigan, or Anthony Hopkins.

Also, the guy who plays Mad Eye Moody would be a great Cort.

[BassBastard]

Very true about Cort.
Stephen King kinda picked a Roland in book 3. He mentions Clint Eastwood. (Via Jake)
As for Jake, yeah, complete unknown. I would also like to see Steve Buschemy (Spelling?) in there somewhere too.

[Riddlebox]

I could picture Buscemi as Gasher, but I don't see him in any other role.

[Speare]

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out or not, but I'm happy to post this link to anyone who hasn't seen it.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/startreknews.php?id=42298

About 2 Minutes and 12 seconds into the interview he talks about a Dark Tower film adaptation.

JJ Abrams. Guy who does Lost, Cloverfield... other stuff?

[BassBastard]

I would rather see Guy Ritchie or Quentin Terintino (sp?) do it than JJ Abrams. I would also like to see this done as a year long mini series on HBO or something rather than condensed into a movie or 3.


Just read through the entire series and finally read book 7.

I am both satisfied and left feeling... spent? Rocked? I do not know. The end really threw me. I can not say I hate it but I can not say I loved it. But it fits.

[Riddlebox]

About the ending Well, though it doesn't give much closure, Since Roland has Cuthbert's horn this time around, you get the feeling that Roland is close to nearing his goal this time. Also, I think that maybe Roland has been filling the Tower up one item at a time, since when he was walking through, he was thinking that Cuthbert's horn should have been in there, and it would have only taken him 3 seconds to pick it up, and when he was sucked through the door, he had the horn.

[VampiricLord99]

I'm nearly done The Drawing Of The Three, and have The Wastelands and Wizard and Glass. My problem is, I also have The Stand, which I haven't read. Do I read the Stand after I'm done Drawing? Or should I finish the whole Dark Tower series first?

[Riddlebox]

I'm nearly done The Drawing Of The Three, and have The Wastelands and Wizard and Glass. My problem is, I also have The Stand, which I haven't read. Do I read the Stand after I'm done Drawing? Or should I finish the whole Dark Tower series first?

I would read the Stand after you read the Wastelands (so in between the 3rd and fourth) and read Salem's lot after Wizard and Glass (4th and 5th)

[Speare]

Do not forget Insomnia. Just makes sure you read it before the final book.

[NVM]

I'm nearly done The Drawing Of The Three, and have The Wastelands and Wizard and Glass. My problem is, I also have The Stand, which I haven't read. Do I read the Stand after I'm done Drawing? Or should I finish the whole Dark Tower series first?

I read The Stand after The Drawing of the Three. I'd read just because it's brilliant and complete entirely in itself.

[diableri]

I would recommend reading as many of King's "canon" books as you can stand before continuing with the Dark Tower series. The series was just so much more enjoyable to me with the nods to the other books and some flat out background. I don't think that the DT series will impact the other books as much as the other way around but that's just my opinion.

Also, the Stand is truly fantastic on it's own regardless of stuff touching the the DT books.

[timbot]

Just curious, what would be King's "canon"? I guess I didn't really realize there was some distinction between his books like that.

[diableri]

Just curious, what would be King's "canon"? I guess I didn't really realize there was some distinction between his books like that.

I put it in quotes to try to get across I was using it as a phrase rather than anything official. Stuff like The Stand, The Dead Zone, Christine, Bachman Books, Salem's Lot, Carrie, The Shinning, It, Pet Cemetery, Insomnia, Thinner, Eyes of the Dragon, The Long Walk, Night Shift, Hearts in Atlantis, Skeleton Crew and Everything's Eventual.

I'm sure most King fans you ask would have a slightly different list but I'm also sure the lists would contain most of the same work. I am also certain that I've missed at least a few books in the above list too.

I think I've read just about everything he's ever written give or take a few obscure things and the above is an off the cuff list of all the stuff that I would recommend to anyone that enjoys his style. Most all of the above add some depth either in mood and reality rules or even outright characters and plot lines.

I really enjoyed seeing the connections during the DT series and that's why I'd recommend people slog through as much of his previous work as possible before they tackle them. Just my opinion though, they are great books either way.

[timbot]

I gotcha. I wasn't sure if there was some more or less concrete list known by all King fanboys. I used to be a big fan of King, but not really any more. There are some aspects of his stories that I really enjoy still. But, I'm just not too impressed by his work these days. The Dark Tower series was a lot of fun, though.

[NVM]

Just finished The Wastelands

I enjoyed it but felt really ripped off by the ending, its like King just got bored.