Team Fortress 2: That Spy Ain't Our Spy

[Dartful_Dawger]

...most of the hats are dumb as fuck and people still jizz over them.
People just don't like this one because it was just given to everyone.

[Matterialize]

Man, they took away all of my items except for my medal, cloak and dagger and razorback.

LUCKILY: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11117879&postcount=16

[Tempest]

...most of the hats are dumb as fuck and people still jizz over them.
People just don't like this one because it was just given to everyone.

I explained why I don't like it. The texture is low-res as hell and the fact that it's broken and actually attached to your head is dumb.

[SquidWard]

Haha, the tf2 forums are hilarious at the moment. Apparently people are getting banned from servers if they have a halo and medics aren't healing people without halos and vice versa. Someone said that the halo reveals cloaked spys as well.

Wish I could play :drool:

[Pieman]

I idled because I was capped and couldn't play, but wanted to keep my awesome steam rating and get a level 100 sandvich D:

[BKS]

Wish I wasn't peer pressured into idling.

[SquidWard]

I still have all my items but my account is flagged. Hopefully having your account flagged won't stop you from getting future hat drops.

[Rob]

I can vouch that halos float around in thin air if they're on a cloaked spy.

[Matterialize]

getting banned from servers if they have a halo

Which is, like, everyone. Valve said only 4.5% of players were being 'cleansed' so the majority of the playerbase has a halo.

I have yet to see anyone get banned for it but there was one guy I was talking to in-game who was seriously pissed off. It's irritating to not have my weapons for awhile, but he really took it to a whole different level.

[Benjaman]

I'm not too upset about the situation, I lost my weapons but the classes I play as don't have unlockables that I use, so whatever. As for the halo, it does look kind of dumb (compared to other halo skins I've seen), but it'd be nice to have one just because having a hat for your favorite class would be easier if you had a hat for any class. Like the halo.

But whatever, it was getting boring finding 50 Jarates and having nothing to do with em.

[Tempest]

I don't care about losing my Glengarry Bonnet, and I still have my Fancy Fedora. I'm pissed about losing all the weapons that I got legit. I have all the milestone achievements, so I'll get them back, but still.. Why would they even bother to take weapons away? Should have just been hats. I had a bunch of cool leveled stuff. :/

[SquidWard]

Which is, like, everyone. Valve said only 4.5% of players were being 'cleansed' so the majority of the playerbase has a halo.

I have yet to see anyone get banned for it but there was one guy I was talking to in-game who was seriously pissed off. It's irritating to not have my weapons for awhile, but he really took it to a whole different level.

I think Valve included everyone who ever bought tf2 iregardless of whether they play now into that 4.5% statistic. If you look at the players online in tf2, its only ever between 25-35K players peek each day. The idler program showed 9K players idling last time I checked. Overall, the amount of players who idled might be only 4.5% but on a daily basis its about 25-35% of the players.

I'd say give it two days and barely anyone will care (if they still do) about the whole halos and cheating bullshit.

Idling achievement servers are still okay which is pretty shitty. Now you have to use half your RAM if you want a hat drop.

[Urser]

They took away all my idled items... and yet I still have 5 huntsmans. Just goes to show how great the drop system really is when used legitimately. :indiff:

[Tempest]

I think Valve included everyone who ever bought tf2 iregardless of whether they play now into that 4.5% statistic. If you look at the players online in tf2, its only ever between 25-35K players peek each day. The idler program showed 9K players idling last time I checked. Overall, the amount of players who idled might be only 4.5% but on a daily basis its about 25-35% of the players.

I'd say give it two days and barely anyone will care (if they still do) about the whole halos and cheating bullshit.

Idling achievement servers are still okay which is pretty shitty. Now you have to use half your RAM if you want a hat drop.

The RAM isn't a huge deal. If you want a hat bad enough to idle you're not entitled to complain anyway. I'm only idling until I get my fuckin weapons back and then maybe I'll idle sparingly until I get a soldier hat.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Not a big deal for me, still have 1 of every item and I never even got a hat. I also collect blutsaugers, I'm on a nice 5 right now. Also as soon as the trading system goes in tf2 black market.

[spaj]

I lost... boxing gloves and The Ambassador. They were legit :/

I hate how non-idling players get a halo though. They're not necessarily good people, they probably just didn't know there was an idling program and would have had no second thoughts about using it.

[Matterialize]

I think Valve included everyone who ever bought tf2 iregardless of whether they play now into that 4.5% statistic. If you look at the players online in tf2, its only ever between 25-35K players peek each day. The idler program showed 9K players idling last time I checked. Overall, the amount of players who idled might be only 4.5% but on a daily basis its about 25-35% of the players.

There aren't the same 25,000 players playing for 24 hours a day, dull stone. That's the amount of players during peak hours, like you said. There's easily over a hundred thousand people that regularly play TF2 for an hour a day, all over the world.

[MistyTehMoose]

People bitching about getting shit taken away: get over it.

Seriously, they implemented this drop system because people were achievement whoring instead of playing the game normally. Then, when they bring in the drop system you fucked with that too. It may not be cheating but it's circumventing a system to do something they specifically made this system to stop that. You knew it was wrong.

[Pieman]

I liked it better when idlers were in Idle Fortress, and not in my favourite servers.

[Savaril]

Players shouldn't even idle anyways, they should just play the game and use the random-drop system as Valve intended it to be used

[Tempest]

Hey so while we're talking about idling guys I figured out last night that you may not get items in spectator anymore. I spent 6 hours idling overnight last night and not even a sandman.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Hey so while we're talking about idling guys I figured out last night that you may not get items in spectator anymore. I spent 6 hours idling overnight last night and not even a sandman.

That's good, I hope someone tells people so like Pie said, my favorite servers aren't half full will idlers.

[Desssert]

I haven't played this on the PC in forever, because whenever I do it lags horribly.

On the 360 version, you can have games with teams of just one class. I forgot, can PC version do that? I played 2fort with 8 engineers. Most fun I've had in awhile.

[Shmuh]

Me, Ben, Matt and Tempest played on a server with unlimited double jump yesterday and it was fucking awesome. You can literally just hover across the level and hit your Sandman at people.
I haven't played this on the PC in forever, because whenever I do it lags horribly.

On the 360 version, you can have games with teams of just one class. I forgot, can PC version do that? I played 2fort with 8 engineers. Most fun I've had in awhile.

You can do that on some servers on PC. Most servers prevent you from doing that to keep things balanced.

[UnnecessarySuperhero]

i have the TF2 that came with Orange Box for 360. is there any difference between that and the new one for PC?

[Benjaman]

i have the TF2 that came with Orange Box for 360. is there any difference between that and the new one for PC?
Yes, there is a new tenth class and now everyone has grenades.

[Matterialize]

the new one for PC

uh

[Matterialize]

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[Tempest]

Too bad that interviewer is such an unbearable douchebag because that cosplayer is the best fucking person on this planet.

[Mike]

That was amazing.

[SODA]

Wow, that was way better than I thought it would be.

[SODA]

UPDATE
[-]September 15, 2009 - Team Fortress 2 Update Released

Updates to Team Fortress 2 have been released. The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The specific changes include:

Engine


If the installation is an HLTV relay we allow clients to connect as HLTV clients even if tv_enable is set to false. A recent exploit fix made it such that we ignore the flag indicating that the client is an HLTV client if tv_enable is false, but it is possible that relays won't have this ConVar set


Additions / Changes

Backpack improvement

Added support for 100 slots in the backpack

Backpack can now be sorted by type

Multi-selection in the backpack is now done by holding down the Ctrl key

Alt-fire on the Sandvich now drops sandviches

A single sandvich can be dropped at a time. Dropping the sandvich removes it from the Heavy

A Heavy can regain his sandvich by collecting a healthkit while already being at full health

Eating a sandvich using the taunt method now heals a Heavy to full health

Dropped sandviches heal 50% of the collector's health

Medic regen changes

Base regen amount increased from 1/sec to 3/sec

Regen amount increase since time of last damage decreased from 3x to 2x

End result of above: Old healing scaled from 1/sec to 3/sec based on time since being damaged (maxed out at 10 seconds). New healing scales from 3/sec to 6/sec

Blutsauger

Replaced "No critical hits" negative attribute with "-2 health drained per second on wearer"

Health drain stacks on top of the above Medic regen changes, lowering the base regen by 2h/sec

Added "mp_windifference" server ConVar (default to 0)

When set to X, matches will be considered won if a team gets X points ahead of the other team

Added a "Remember the active weapon between lives" option to the Multiplayer->Advanced options dialog

Added "Disable weather effects" option to the Multiplayer->Advanced options dialog

Added "Show non-standard items on spectated player" option to the Multiplayer->Advanced options dialog

If set (default), it'll show non-standard items being carried by the player you're spectating

Tournament mode changes

New item whitelist allowing tournaments to control what items can be used by players

Added "item_whitelist_example.txt"

Added "item_show_whitelistable_definitions" command to get a list of whitelistable items

Added Tournament mode Spectator HUD

Added "Use advanced spectator HUD in tournament mode" option to the Multiplayer->Advanced options dialog

Shows all the members of your team (or both if you're a spectator) at the top of the screen, along with class/health/respawn time/charge level

Spectator indices are now shown on the team members, and hitting the corresponding weapon selection key (slot1-slot12 commands) will spectate them

Changed idle player check to include spectators & players who haven't chosen a team


Bug Fixes

Fixed explosive radius detection using an axially aligned box instead of a sphere

Compensated by increasing the radius of grenades, pipes, and rockets to 50% of what they lost at the corners of the OBB

Grenades/Pipes radius change: 132->159

Rocket radius change: 121->146

End result of above: Explosives have had their radius reduced at some angles, and increased at others. Radius is now consistent, angles are now irrelevant

Fixed Sniper using the reference pose if he has the Huntsman deployed when his team loses

Fixed Spies speaking their response rules lines after killing a player as the class they were disguised as

Fixed Medics getting MedicCallerPanels in their HUD for cloaked enemy Spies disguised as their team

Fixed the Huntsman not firing crit arrows when the Sniper is being CritBoosted

Fixed being able to fire the Huntsman under water if you jump into the water with the arrow charged

Added check to prevent clients using the "firstperson" command to get out of thirdperson view while they're phasing, taunting or control stunned

Fixed Halo glow effect not being hidden for cloak/disguised enemy Spies

Fixed wearables not destroying their attached particles when they're removed

Fixed several player & viewmodel simulation issues that occurred when the game was paused

Fixed a DX8-based exploit that allowed modified particle effects to work under sv_pure 2


Community Requests

Added the entindex() of the object being built to the "player_builtobject" game event

Added flag to allow CTF map authors to turn off the Overtime mode when timers expire

Added IgnitePlayer input to TFPlayer

[Dauntasa]

Wait, so Heavies can heal other people now? That seems a little bit cheap. I wonder if it counts as healing like the medigun or dispenser.

[Matterialize]

It counts as healing people like a medkit. And, he only gets one sandvich to drop until he regains it by picking up a medkit or visiting a supply cabinet.

Also, both syringe guns got buffed if anyone is confused by the regeneration codswallop up there. Basically, the Blutsauger can now crit randomly and if you have the regular syringe gun out you'll regenerate twice as fast as you normally do.

UPDATE DID WELL

[Tempest]

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A-ha-ha! You are as PRESUMPTUOUS as you are POOR and IRISH. Tarnish notte the majesty of my TOWER of HATS.

[hardcoresk8r69]

I see no soldier hat.

[Urser]

Fuck you, I've wanted the Sniper's bandana for ages. :argh:

[opn4bzns]

What's the general opinion on the backburner? Is it worth losing the compression blast?
(I stopped playing for ages and just started again, so this is all new to me)

[Tempest]

Fuck you, I've wanted the Sniper's bandana for ages. :argh:

The yellow belt and the pickelhaube are two of the few hats I really wanted. I was happy when I got the bandana, and when I got the pickelhaube I felt like squealing with joy.

What's the general opinion on the backburner? Is it worth losing the compression blast?
(I stopped playing for ages and just started again, so this is all new to me)

Depends on how you play. If you're more about defense as a pyro, the backburner can be nice, because you'll have a lot of chances to ambush and end up behind enemies. I play with the normal flamethrower because I love rushing through enemies and poofing rockets and grenades away.

[opn4bzns]

It also makes you pretty much the only class that can do anything about an uber, which is handy.

[BmphP]

I have all the hats because I go on a server that you can choose any hats for any person!

[Knight of Cydonia]

Still 0 hats and counting.

[Mike]

Same here. Looking for the Tyrant's Helm or the Demo's tophat.

[Dodger]

The yellow belt and the pickelhaube are two of the few hats I really wanted. I was happy when I got the bandana, and when I got the pickelhaube I felt like squealing with joy.



Depends on how you play. If you're more about defense as a pyro, the backburner can be nice, because you'll have a lot of chances to ambush and end up behind enemies. I play with the normal flamethrower because I love rushing through enemies and poofing rockets and grenades away.

Give me your fedoraaa!


Also Opn4Bzns
I use the flamethrower, and think it's a lot better than the backburner.

If you are real stealthy like and like to go lone wolf, and can flank well, then I guess the backburner would be better for you, because it kills most classes in less than a second. But you have to be really good at not being seen and sneaking up behind people, or else you're fucked, because it sucks at face to face combat.

The normal flamethrower with, on top of dealing more damage up front, has the compression blast which can:
-repel rockets
-make enemy grenades harmless to your team
-take down sticky traps
-put out teammates on fire
-stop ubers

So I guess the backburner would be more useful if you're going lone wolf, and flamethrower if you're playing as a team.
I always use the flamethrower.

[Lag]

Use the airblast if you want to be good at all.

[spaj]

The backburner is probably better used on CTF/payload maps, compared to CP/KotH maps where having air blast's great defensive capabilities is a lot more important.

[Knight of Cydonia]

If you want to kill spys, use BB. If I'm going to play pyro, I use the original since it's a load better being able to help the team and reflect.

[Tyler_Legrand]

Meet the Pyro!

ww-jfygVEE0

[Knight of Cydonia]

That was very well done. The axe bit with the sniper was great.

[Dodger]

Ahahahaha.
The narrator part was awesome.

[SODA]

That wasn't real right? Because that was really disjointed and weird to follow.

[Dodger]

No, it wasn't.

[Kass]

if you've got the axtinguisher you really have no reason to be using the backburner.

[Mike]

Oh the axetinguisher, i've had great moments with that weapon.

Like that time I killed half a heavy/medic rush.

[Shrimps]

Don't use the backburner ever. Just don't.
The airblast is so useful in the right hands:

Breaking up Ubers.
Reflecting projectiles.
Putting out fires.
Getting rid of stickies.
etc.

It's not worth getting rid of it just for crits from behind.

[Mike]

It's worth it sometimes. Depends on playing style, if you like to outflank then use backburner, if you go on the attack headforward the flamethrower is better.

[Desssert]

It's also fun as hell to juggle people with the compression blast, then drop them once they get high enough to lose a lot of health. I've played on a couple Compression Blast Dodgeball servers before, and it's pretty cool what they do with it. They have a thing in the middle that shoots out red only and blue only rockets, and each team compression blasts them to the other team; first team to blastkill the other team wins.

[Dodger]

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If you want to see some good pyro-ing. Check this out.
This is a competitive player, he's incredible.

-he airblasts enemy soldier's rockets behind him to rocket jump. That's fucking awesome.

-He also uses the normal flamethrower instead of the backburner, since his main strategy is set on fire, airblast away or up, shoot/axetinguish.

[Savaril]

That's like the first video of a non-w+m1 pyro I've ever seen.

[Shmuh]

http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2851

oh god what click the the form oh god what

[Dodger]

Tenth Class confirmed.
They're Guard Dogs.

http://www.teamfortress.com/1308.htm

[sprene]

Awesome. I imagine they'll be quite a bit weaker than other classes, given their speed/size bonus.

[Dodger]

I actually think it's a joke. But I don't know.

[sprene]

Wellllll..... they do go to elaborate lengths for laughs (ie. all the fake/teaser pages before other updates), but I think it's quite a bit of work to pump out the 30-some achievements if it's a joke.

[SquidWard]

Tenth Class confirmed.
They're Guard Dogs.

http://www.teamfortress.com/1308.htm

Hmm, I thought the whole thing was done by a fan when I first saw this:

http://guarddog.50webs.com/

It makes sense if Valve did it because it looks as if a lot of work has gone into that picture.

Edit: After looking at the picture again, theres a few spelling mistakes so I guess a fan must have done it. If thats the case, then they did a pretty good fucking job and they must have way too much time on their hands.

[Matterialize]

Just like how Jarate was a joke, right.

Also, it says cannon-appended. Is that like... cannon appendages? And it's an 'invention'. Sounds more like a mobile sentry gun than a whole separate class.

[Tyler_Legrand]

I think it should be an Engineer weapon.

[Tempest]

There's been a lot of speculating on TF2 sites that one of the engie unlocks might be a helper dog that can retrieve metal and health for you and shit.

Engineer confirmed for next update?

[Urser]

Yeah, if it does get created it seems like it'll be part of the Engie update. I just can't help but think that some people will be up in arms over killing a dog.

[SquidWard]

Yeah, if it does get created it seems like it'll be part of the Engie update. I just can't help but think that some people will be up in arms over killing a dog.

Someone was saying (who was suposedly in Beta) that the engineer upgrade that they are currently testing is a new wrench which lets you build sentries in like 3-5 seconds but you cant upgrade anything with it. I guess the dog could be the unlockable in place of the pistol/shot gun. It would certainly help me because when I play engineer I leave my nest a fair bit to get metal and spies use that against me a lot.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm fairly sure it's fake. I was checking the forums days before that update and it was all about gaurd dogs because some guy made the fake page. Link to thread: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=971220

[Tempest]

Oh and since I last posted my hats I've gotten another pickelhaube and the Ushanka. :clint:

[Kass]

ignore this post, I'm an idiot.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Temptest your Idling still though right? Still 0 hats here, kinda stopped caring anymore when I think of it.

[Tempest]

It's not really about caring. I'm not purposefully avoiding playing TF2 to idle. I just leave it running when I'm not using it.

[Rob]

Hats are tearing us apart.

[Urser]

I got killed by a Spy wearing a camera beard today. I... I feel so honoured.

[Shmuh]

I think it's there simply because of how much effort the guy that made it put into it. Just by glancing at it I can tell how much time it must have taken.

Oh and since I last posted my hats I've gotten another pickelhaube and the Ushanka. :clint:

suck my mother fucking dick

[Tempest]

suck my mother fucking dick

http://i38.tinypic.com/2e199xs.jpg

[Dodger]

http://guarddog.50webs.com/update_02.html
Day 2 of Guard Dog Update

[Vortex]

Thought i'd get with the times and finally give TF2 a shot, and it's great! Damn fast paced compared to what I was expecting, but really good fun all round.

One thing I don't quite understand still, though, is how to upgrade my weapons. Do I have to keep playing a certain class and earning achievements for upgrades to become accessable, or am I just missing something? Sorry if that's been asked and answered in this thread already, but I only managed to get through about 14pages before the game was downloaded and ready to play.

[sprene]

There are two ways to get new weapons:

1. Earn a certain number of achievements as a specific class (enough to unlock a "Milestone Achievement", if you look in the achievement list)
or
2. Just play the game. Every 15 or so minutes, there's a small chance you'll "find" a weapon. In addition to finding weapons this way, you also have a very small chance of finding a special hat that you can wear on your person.

So far, the only three classes that don't have unlockable weapons are the Demoman, the Soldier, and the Engineer.

[SquidWard]

Thought i'd get with the times and finally give TF2 a shot, and it's great! Damn fast paced compared to what I was expecting, but really good fun all round.

One thing I don't quite understand still, though, is how to upgrade my weapons. Do I have to keep playing a certain class and earning achievements for upgrades to become accessable, or am I just missing something? Sorry if that's been asked and answered in this thread already, but I only managed to get through about 14pages before the game was downloaded and ready to play.

They aren't really upgrades either. Each unlockable weapon has its advantages and disadvantages. Some are better for certain situations.

[Lag]

They aren't really upgrades either. Each unlockable weapon has its advantages and disadvantages. Some are better for certain situations.

The ubersaw, for example, is better in all situations.

Although they have remedied the problem with his pointy cousin, the syringe gun.

Personal Hat update; A bit of history first.
Once upon a time idled and got a conductor's cap. Except I was a filthy idler so I was punished.
Nowadays, I own 19 sandviches and a Trophy Belt. And I lived...ever after.

[Urser]

TKTIfXTd32M

[BmphP]

I got a halo for a hat. I was like "^.^"

[Knight of Cydonia]

I now have 7 blutsaugers and at least 2 of every weapon. Awesome.

[Savaril]

I don't have any hats or weapons because I play the 360 version :(

[opn4bzns]

Hats are tearing us apart.

Again.

[Tempest]

Hats are tearing us apart.

Only because people like me refuse to associate with this hatless riff-raff.

[fisdunctional]

I don't have any hats or weapons because I play the 360 version :(

Holy shit. I'm not the only one.

[BKS]

Only because people like me refuse to associate with this hatless riff-raff.

I am hatless riff-raff. I was once part of the select few though.

[Dodger]

Oh god, this is awesome.
http://homotime.deviantart.com/art/Spy-and-Scouts-Mum-get-hitched-136860278

[Urser]

Oh god, this is awesome.
http://homotime.deviantart.com/art/Spy-and-Scouts-Mum-get-hitched-136860278

What the fuck. I watched this and as soon as the Scouts Mum revealed she was the spy, the page relinked itself to this (http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/?ref=ov&utm_source=ov&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=spyware-doctor&cur=aud).

I honestly thought that was the joke, but then I rewatched it and turns out that the animation goes on and that isn't supposed to happen. :ahe:

[Matterialize]

What the fuck is newman doing in there

get out of there, newman

[bunglejunny]

What the fuck did I just watch?

[Ekalb]

Woot engi update comin' up (http://www.teamfortress.com.br/engineerupdate/day01.html) Another skillful fake though.

[Tyler_Legrand]

fuck you wayne knight

[SODA]

Thats fake nvm.

teamfortress.com.BR

[Pencil]

Only hat I got is that incorruptibility thing. Haven't been playing a lot, though.

[BKS]

Thats fake nvm.

teamfortress.com.BR

Fake or not, that looks pretty realistic.

[Gudizere]

The guard dog update looked pretty realistic too. As did the pyro update 2.

[Ekalb]

Thats fake nvm.

teamfortress.com.BR

Yeah it's fake;
Woot engi update comin' up (http://www.teamfortress.com.br/engineerupdate/day01.html) Another skillful fake though.

and on the page at the bottom
"this is a fake by xxx@gmail.com"

Shame though, some of those items looked pretty useful.

[WoeGuy]

I heard one of the engi items is in beta, the PDF. It lets you build things really fast but you can't upgrade it or something like that. Can anyone confirm this?

[Benjaman]

I heard one of the engi items is in beta, the PDF. It lets you build things really fast but you can't upgrade it or something like that. Can anyone confirm this?

PDQ*

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[Urser]

I really don't see people switching out the ability to upgrade for a slightly faster build time. Maybe if you had two Engies working together, but otherwise...

[Dodger]

I wonder if you can build with the PDQ, then load the normal wrench out and upgrade with that?

@Urser, I'm pretty sure that it was mainly designed for competitive play. Most competitive tf2 teams don't use the engineer because they can't keep up with the extremely fast paced matches, they have to build, wait, upgrade, blah blah blah. By the time a engineer is done building a sentry, everyone has moved on to the next control point.

This would make the engineer more suited to a fast-paced offensive style.

[WoeGuy]

Often times on 2fort I'll just run in and slap down a level 1 sentry in front of the opposing team's base, or even inside it if I can get there. It would make doing that easier.

[Benjaman]

Or, build up your sentry, another engie comes in and hits it a bunch, then you hit it, then he hits it up to level 3?

[Knight of Cydonia]

PDQ would be cool. I'm hoping that it can build up to lvl 2, lvl 1 SG's are easy to kill as any class.

[Dodger]

But keep in mind, it'd completely change the way the engineer is played.
It wouldn't be built to last, it'd be build to catch the enemy off guard, keep them busy, weaken and maybe kill a couple of them, before it's destroyed.
Then the engi would be off to do it again.

Not to mention adding quickly built dispensers would take some of the pressure off the medic, who is the nucleus of a team in competitive tf2.

Quick teleporter exits would also bring the heavy into more of the limelight, since now the only reason he isn't used in competitive tf2 is because he's just so slow. Soldier and Demo can rocket/sticky jump and if done correctly are the fastest classes. With quick teleporters being built, the Heavy can bring his firepower to the battle just as quick as the other classes.

If you're wondering why I'm emphasizing competitive tf2 so much, it's because they're the ones testing out the beta items, not to mention Valve's main objective is to make all the classes suitable for competitive as well as casual play. And since there will always be casual play no matter what, they're focusing on the competitive side.

[Shrimps]

But keep in mind, it'd completely change the way the engineer is played.
It wouldn't be built to last, it'd be build to catch the enemy off guard, keep them busy, weaken and maybe kill a couple of them, before it's destroyed.
Then the engi would be off to do it again.

I generally play like this. Pop down a level one sentry and shotgun the fuck outta people, then lead them into my sentry. I'd be using the PDQ pretty much all the time if they stick it in the game.

[Pencil]

The only way I can play at the moment is on a slow computer with an internet connection that always seems to lag. 800x600, everything on lowest.
I want my laptop back.

[Jackbeastx2]

Team fortress 2 rules I always play as spy cos it's so fun and most people are so gullible

[Tempest]

So, I have 7 hats now. It's pretty cool.

[opn4bzns]

The PDQ didn't look that quick in the video, and if it's just a regular level 1 sentry it seems like it'd have limited use. I like the idea though, so if it was a bit faster and a level 1.5 type thing it'd be cool.

[Pieman]

Completely removing upgrades does seem a little steep, I'd rather just have them be harder. Like, each wrench hit only upgrades +10, rather that the +25 we're at now.

I'd still use it either way, because I'm an Arena whore, and level 1 Sentries in suprising places is pretty much a guarenteed kill, and dispenser is great credit to Medicless team.

[Mike]

Holy shit I got my first (real) hat yesterday. Fucking pot kicks ass.

[BmphP]

Holy shit I got my first (real) hat yesterday. Fucking pot kicks ass.

what does marijuana have to do with team fortress too.

[BmphP]

what does marijuana have to do with team fortress two.

[Mike]

Stainless pot.

[BKS]

Completely removing upgrades does seem a little steep, I'd rather just have them be harder. Like, each wrench hit only upgrades +10, rather that the +25 we're at now.

I'd still use it either way, because I'm an Arena whore, and level 1 Sentries in suprising places is pretty much a guarenteed kill, and dispenser is great credit to Medicless team.

But used as a quick deterrent, amazing.

[SquidWard]

RwMZyP8OVt0

[SODA]

Wow, that was beyond retarded, there were no tips in that and the rest was about 90% of places you would never want to get to anyway. Not to mention we get to watch him fail at jumping 9 times in a row because he can't fucking edit.

[SquidWard]

Wow, that was beyond retarded, there were no tips in that and the rest was about 90% of places you would never want to get to anyway. Not to mention we get to watch him fail at jumping 9 times in a row because he can't fucking edit.

I know what you mean about him failing at jumping 9 times but apart from one or two positions, most of those spots actually do work in pub games. I've previously used about half of the spots he shows in the vid and managed to get 5 or more surprise kills before having to move. Also, I'm not sure if many of you guys know that if you jump + crouch then immediately shoot your FaN at about 25 degrees forward you can get to about the same height as some rocket jumps. He shows a bit of that in the vid.

Edit:This is probably a better vid to showcase it.

EST-5GVj004

[Tempest]

Team Fortess Tips and Tricks.

[Abe Vigoda]

Found Ritzy Rick's Hair Fixative :cool:

[Matterialize]

haha that's like a negative hat

[Abe Vigoda]

haha that's like a negative hat
Shut the fuck up.

[Knight of Cydonia]

A little update came out today just fixing some things. Along with others was:
Fixed full packet updates showing cloaked Spies for an instant

Finally, that was so annoying.

[SquidWard]

I just found the Backbiters Billycock. I wish it was a scout/demoman's hat though. Takes me forever to get a hat and it's one I don't like.

[Desssert]

One of the main surf servers I play on has a menu where you can choose any hat for any class. I usually put the afro on the Scout. It also has special abilities for each class, such as the Pyro can use his Backburner ammo as a jetpack or the Demo can strap a cart to it's back and have it explode.

Anybody else play Pyro Dodgeball? It's hilariously fun.

[Benjaman]

Anybody else play Pyro Dodgeball? It's hilariously fun.

Yeah, it's awesome. I've killed some 9 people with one nuke, and I know Tempest has a recording of him killing ~12 people with one.

Also, post your backpacks! (http://tf2items.com/profiles/76561197989179809)

My Baseball Bill's keeps getting moved to the invalid position somehow.

[BKS]

haha that's like a negative hat

ITS STILL A HAT ASSHOLE

[Tempest]

Also, post your backpacks! (http://tf2items.com/profiles/76561197989179809)

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197987255367

sup.

[Sarge51]

Am I the only one who gets confused when disguising myself as another spy?

[opn4bzns]

Yeah, it's awesome. I've killed some 9 people with one nuke, and I know Tempest has a recording of him killing ~12 people with one.

Also, post your backpacks! (http://tf2items.com/profiles/76561197989179809)

My Baseball Bill's keeps getting moved to the invalid position somehow.
Ignore the big gay avatar. (http://tf2items.com/profiles/76561197985141672) I had no idea I had the doctor's mirror until I looked at that. I guess I'll go equip that and be smug.

[Urser]

:< (http://tf2items.com/profiles/76561197970527128)

[opn4bzns]

How come they're taking so long to fix the 'you find the same item like 10 times' glitch? Or is that somehow intentional?

[Tempest]

What glitch?

[opn4bzns]

The glitch that enables me to have 3 jarates, three bonk! atomic punches, 2 axtinguishers, 3 backburners, 3 flare guns, 4 cloak and daggers, and so on.

[Tempest]

I don't.. That's not a glitch.

[Urser]

It's incredibly dickish, though.

[MistyTehMoose]

:( (http://tf2items.com/profiles/76561197998538538)

I have been seriously playing for hours. I got the scout hat today but I never play scout :P

[Knight of Cydonia]

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197999823968 55 dupes and Still waiting for number one. Why can't hat chance increase with the amount of dupes to hats you get.

[opn4bzns]

I don't.. That's not a glitch.

What's the point of the dupes then? (Not doubting you, I just can't think of any reason).

[Benjaman]

They said that they are going to implement some form of item crafting and trading sometime in the future. That's why I'm saving mine up.

[Urser]

No one would ever trade a hat for a weapon.

[Matterialize]

Obviously. But if you're Tempest and have two pickelhaubes, you can trade one of those. You could also trade for a weapon you don't have.

[Benjaman]

I would gladly trade away my Pickelhaube for a level 100 Jarate. loljk

[SquidWard]

I would gladly trade away my Pickelhaube for a level 100 Jarate. loljk

What about a level 0 Jarate?

[Mike]

There should be a jarate jump.

[tough-guy]

I wish getting a heavy hat was easier. I have gotten only two hats, one for the scout and one for the spy (awesomeness). I just wish the random item generator would stop giving me uber saws and dead ringers and start giving me fros and football helmets.

[Pencil]

I wish I didn't have to study so much. Everyone of you seems to be online permanently, and I can play no more than 30 minutes a day, most of the days :<

[Knight of Cydonia]

I wish I didn't have to study so much. Everyone of you seems to be online permanently, and I can play no more than 30 minutes a day, most of the days :<

and with terrible ping :lol:

59 dupes, 0 hats.

[Pencil]

and with terrible ping :lol:

59 dupes, 0 hats.

Haha, I got my laptop back though. So my ping is back to around 20.

[tough-guy]

Does anyone know if Valve has released news on giving the demo/sol/Engineer classes collectible weapons?

[Benjaman]

Yes, they will do it, but we do not know when. Obviously, why would they just leave them out like that?

Also, Soldier has been announced as the next one to be updated.

[Dodger]

New Blog post and a new SDK content :fmita:

http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2974

I don't know if we have many mapmakers here so I don't think it'll matter much to you guys. But it's always nice to know that Valve hasn't left us completely for L4D2, also there are some interesting factoids in there about the sniper update.

[opn4bzns]

Valve could completely abandon development of TF2 right now and they'd still be probably the most impressive devs of any online game. 2 years of constant updates, all for free and for a game that was effectively $10 in the first place, while still making a bunch of other games.

[sno]

I really wish I would get more hats instead of 20 Cloaks and Jarates (http://tf2items.com/profiles/76561197965139219)

[opn4bzns]

I thoroughly enjoy getting killed by spies with the camera beard.

[Abe Vigoda]

http://steamcommunity.com/actions/TFGibusSignup/

http://i34.tinypic.com/e6uhiu.jpg
:smug:

[Shrimps]

So you started seeing all these Gibus hats around, but nobody would tell you where to get one, huh? And now that you've found out about it, the supply is gone! Oh, well. I guess you should turn off your computer. So long. Thanks for visiting this page for no reason.

Okay, now that we've weeded out all the quitters, here's how to get a Gibus of your very own. You know those smug hat-wearing so-and-so's who didn't tell you where to get a hat the first time around? Go dominate one of them while they're flaunting the Gibus and we'll give you one of your own! It's the exact same hat--but better, because unlike them, you will have earned it!


Also it said I got one then I reloaded the page and it said that.

Also, http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/the_last_will_and_testament_of_Zepheniah_Mann/

[Pencil]

Right, I'm off dominating!

[Dodger]

http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/the_last_will_and_testament_of_Zepheniah_Mann/

Ahahaha that's awesome.
For anyone who didn't read, it explains how Saxton Hale got to own Mann & Sons Muntions Company, and the founders of Blu and Red and why they are always fighting. Who the Announcer actually is, and a cameo from our favorite fake update.
Pretty Clever, imo.

http://www.teamfortress.com/pumpkinpatch/family_portrait/

[Shrimps]

Is the announcer Elizabeth or is the announcer the cut off name?

[Dodger]

I'm pretty sure it's Elizabeth, look at the picture.
The Cut off name and picture remains a mystery.

[Matterialize]

Elizabeth wouldn't still be alive, considering how old she looks there.

Maybe the Announcer is their daughter or something.

[Shrimps]

The Cut off name

Gman

[Benjaman]

I was thinking the civilian, moreso.

[Lag]

It's amazing that an fps kill-em-all in industrial deserts game with virtually no story evolved so much in it's 2+ year run.

[BmphP]

Um who cares about TF2 backstory?

[Matterialize]

Fuck you, it's interesting.

[Urser]

Haha seems like they agreed with that artist's interpretation.

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs38/f/2008/313/e/5/mission_begins_in_five_by_makani.jpg

[Knight of Cydonia]

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197999823968

1st 2 hats, yay!

[Abe Vigoda]

http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197999823968

1st 2 hats, yay!
the bag will disappear after the second of November.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I know that, but at least I have the gib.

[Shrimps]

Can I get the gibus at a later date or what? I can't play until Christmas.

[BKS]

Anywith with the Gibbus wanna let me dominate them? ;)

[Abe Vigoda]

Anywith with the Gibbus wanna let me dominate them? ;)
I have 2 Gibus(es?) ;)

[BKS]

I have 2 Gibus(es?) ;)

Later today, we're gonna have a date

[Tempest]

Yep. (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197987255367)

[Pencil]

For some reason, that backpack examiner doesn't work with my account. I tried my ingame name, Pencil, and my Steam account, Bartjj_S.
But it doesn't work :wail:

[Shrimps]

Yep. (http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197987255367)

I'm so jealous of your backpack.

[Knight of Cydonia]

http://tf2.com/post.php?id=3036
It's $2.50 again guys.

[tough-guy]

I can't believe I missed it :'( I would of totally bought some team fortress.

[BKS]

http://tf2.com/post.php?id=3036
It's $2.50 again guys.

Holy shit, thats ridiculous. How can they get away with that? Oh yeah... they shit amazing games.

[Shrimps]

Since I can't play on the pc I've been playing on the 360, and guys, It's not as bad as you think. It's actually pretty fun. Just ignore the 8 year olds.

[pika]

Whats your gamertag shrimps, i just got my oarnge box back from a friend and have noone to play with

[Shrimps]

Whats your gamertag shrimps, i just got my oarnge box back from a friend and have noone to play with

I won't be able to play cause of time zones and stuff.

[fisdunctional]

Hey Pika, Me and muffin are on quite a bit. Just let us know.

[WoeGuy]

THEY REMOVED DUPLICATE ITEMS

about fucking time, too

[BKS]

THEY REMOVED DUPLICATE ITEMS

about fucking time, too

Do you keep the higher one?

[Tempest]

THEY REMOVED DUPLICATE ITEMS

about fucking time, too

Yeah I read that update news too.

Wait no I didn't because there is no update news are you retarded?

edit:
QuickSwitch improvements

Added key input so you can cycle through it using the slot input keys

Added all loadout slots (not just primary, secondary, and melee)

Removed duplicate entries (should only see 1 flaregun, etc.)

Is that what you mean? Because that's a change to the quickswitch feature. Hence, the quickswitch improvements.

[WoeGuy]

well now i got excited over nothing

[pika]

Hey Pika, Me and muffin are on quite a bit. Just let us know.

Sure, why not. Whats your tag?

[fisdunctional]

Mine is Sniper Symphony while his is OVER CAPITALIZED. We are mainly playing Borderlands as of now though.

[Lag]

So guys, Bill's Hat (www.teamfortress.com).

[Dodger]

Oh wow, they're just milking this now.
So they've finally gotten around to getting players to pay for a hat.

[Urser]

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1685/newhat.gif

[Knight of Cydonia]

The hat looks nice but it seems pretty crappy that they are doing that to boost sales. I'm wondering if we get beards if we pre order the next half life :hmm:

[Matterialize]

If people are dumb enough to buy a $50 game just to get a TF2 hat, they deserve to lose their money. On the other hand, if you'd already preordered it then congrats on the freebie.

[Tempest]

14 hats feels good man.

[Lag]

http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads/080405/865ZDlhzt3.jpg
Also, free bat for the same preorder, but that's in L4D2 itself.

[opn4bzns]

The hat looks nice but it seems pretty crappy that they are doing that to boost sales. I'm wondering if we get beards if we pre order the next half life :hmm:

No-one sane is going to pre-order it just for the hat.

[Knight of Cydonia]

It may push people over the line who were thinking about it or waiting for Christmas ect.

[Dodger]

No-one sane is going to pre-order it just for the hat.

There's a thread on the Team Fortress Forums where people are bragging about how they bought L4D2 for the hat.

[opn4bzns]

I really overestimate the people of the internet sometimes.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Got my first hat tonight it was the Officers Ushanka.
http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561197999823968

[MrManuel]

I just can't agree more with the topicstarter..

The screenshot feature is one of the best things. And I just LOVE playing the game.
Altho it IS addicting

[Shrimps]

So you fags who order Left 4 Dead 2 get Bill's hat (http://www.incgamers.com/News/19429/bills-hat-coming-to-team-fortress-2).

[Oyabin]

Just an over all great game. Unfortunately, I don't have a computer that can run Steam here at home, but some of my friends have it and a play somewhat frequently.
And as if it wasn't good enough, they came out with updates with new weapons and such. I love it.

[B3n]

Team Fortress is easily the best game on Steam today. It is a great game.

[Knight of Cydonia]

So you fags who order Left 4 Dead 2 get Bill's hat (http://www.incgamers.com/News/19429/bills-hat-coming-to-team-fortress-2).

So guys, Bill's Hat (www.teamfortress.com).

http://www.teamfortress.com/sniper_vs_spy/day09_english.htm
Pretty funny when you realize it.

[Pieman]

Whenever I go to the Steam forums I always get a healthy dose of rage. Saw some people calling Valve money grubbing faggots for the hat thing, but fail to remember VALVE SOLD TF2 FOR $2.49.

The greedy assholes.

[Spastic]

If people are dumb enough to buy a $50 game just to get a TF2 hat, they deserve to lose their money. On the other hand, if you'd already preordered it then congrats on the freebie.
I literally preordered the game the day before this was announced, was a nice little surprise.

[Matterialize]

http://www.teamfortress.com/sniper_vs_spy/day09_english.htm
Pretty funny when you realize it.

Oh, wow.

God damn you Valve.

[SODA]

Oh, wow.

God damn you Valve.

I don't get it.

[NVM]

I don't get it.

Look for the word "Beret".

I'm mad because I never got a Gibbus.

[Abe Vigoda]

Look for the word "Beret".

I'm mad because I never got a Gibbus.
you can get it from me

[Pencil]

Finally, I got a Gibbus too! On the Harvest map, it's incredibly fun to wait at the barricades of the red team as a blue pyro (or vice versa I can't remember). They run past you, you light them on fire and return to your hiding place. Got 13 kills in about 3 minutes that way. (considering I suck, that's not bad)

[Knight of Cydonia]

http://store.valvesoftware.com/productshowcase/productshowcase_TF2-HolidayCards.html

:hmm:

[SODA]

Those are amazing

[Werty]

Look for the word "Beret".

I'm mad because I never got a Gibbus.

I still don't get it.

[Knight of Cydonia]

http://tf2.com/post.php?id=3130

Just a quick news update and if any of you sent in the spy things, your lucky you live in the US :<.

[Shrimps]

vh_ZL91IJeY

[Sarge51]

That video is so two weeks ago. But, adorable.

I'm am close to buckling down and getting this game. If I do get it, you faggots better add me on steam and teach me how to kick ass.

[Sarge51]

So, I just got the game, still waiting on it to download. Apparently I have a guest pass, which lets one of your friends trial the game. Not sure for how long, though. Anyone know of anybody who could use it?

[Matterialize]

I think guest passes last for 3 days.

[Urser]

W9uvQ_k8gqs

Christmas cheer.

[Sarge51]

Soldier and Demoman Update Soon? (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/administrator/)

[Dodger]

Soldier and Demoman Update Soon? (http://www.teamfortress.com/war/administrator/)

God, I swear, nothing gives me a boner quite like a tf2 update does.

[Urser]

Hoo hoo baby.

[Lag]

This feeds into the whole "How does she work for both sides? What's this CONSPIRACY all about?" idea.

[NVM]

Wonder what the whole War/Friends mode is about.

[opn4bzns]

I'm assuming it's just a setup for new weapons/items but I guess it could be a new mode.

[Sarge51]

Valve said it's not a new mode, but they do have something special planned. Which I guess is this comic, which suspiciously looks like a class update. But, I could be wrong.

[BAN ME PLEASE]

I'm excited for a Solider update because maybe then he wouldn't suck. Demoman's all good so update for him would be cool.

Although I am excited for the updates I don't give a shit about the backstory for TF2. It's not that kind of game and they're only doing the backstory to extend the time between when the hint at the update announcement and when they actually announce it, and just for fun. You guys are taking this too seriously. Damn.

[Sarge51]

I really liked the Meet The Spy video, though. That was awesome. I hope once they get a class update for all the classes they do more movies like that.

[NVM]

I'm assuming it's just a setup for new weapons/items but I guess it could be a new mode.

Well there isn't any Friends/Betrayal system in any current game mode. And I'm just taking a wild guess that they didnt get the voice actress record random sounds for no reason.

[Dodger]

I'm excited for a Solider update because maybe then he wouldn't suck.

Soldier is easily one of the best and easiest to play class. Pretty mobile if you know how to rocket jump, combined with 200 health, and a damaging, explosive area of effect weapon and powerful 2nd weapon makes him arguably the best class.

[Benjaman]

I'm pretty sure it's a Demo/Solly dual update, like Sniper v Spy. I thought it was just going to be a set up for a fun little Christmas "EVERYBODY BE HAPPY" thing, but then the Announcer said the thing Saxton Hale and his weapons, so that's probably it.

My guess is that you have to play as blue soldier and dominate red demo, or vice versa, to get your weapons or something.

also; ENJOY PLAYING ENGINEER NOW MOTHERFUCKERS MUAHAHAHAHA - Valve

[opn4bzns]

Well there isn't any Friends/Betrayal system in any current game mode. And I'm just taking a wild guess that they didnt get the voice actress record random sounds for no reason.

I don't know about the new voice stuff because I haven't played it in a while but it's fairly hard to betray someone with no friendly fire.

[BAN ME PLEASE]

Soldier is easily one of the best and easiest to play class. Pretty mobile if you know how to rocket jump, combined with 200 health, and a damaging, explosive area of effect weapon and powerful 2nd weapon makes him arguably the best class.

I was just kidding soldiers don't suck I just suck at playing soldiers.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I don't know about the new voice stuff because I haven't played it in a while but it's fairly hard to betray someone with no friendly fire.

Team switching. First major update I'm going to miss playing on the first day via being on holidays :<.

[PsychoThunder]

I only got TF2 so I could run GMod, but I started playing TF2 a week or so ago, and its awesome. And now a Soldier and Demoman update? Well, 'bout time.
Oh, and we finally get to see what the Narrator/Administer/Irritating voice behind the intercom looks like.

[SquidWard]

Sounds awesome. I can't wait to see what the demoman's new items are. Demo & Soldier are already two strong classes (especially demo) so it will be interesting to see how Valve keeps them balanced with their new items compared to the other classes.

[opn4bzns]

Demo's whiskey taunt should get him drunk, reducing the damage he takes but making it hard to hit anything.

[Urser]

http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3225

I CALL DEMOMAN