Twilight Fans Want To Kill Me.

[Water-Sheerie]

I'm not sure how many people are familiar with the book Twilight. Anywho, I wrote a review of that book, and posted it another forum that I happened to be a part of. This site, mind you, is not twilight.com. It is not affiliated in anyway with the book, and is simply a site open for any opinion.

Apparently, opinions belong to those that hate the book are not welcomed.

Within minutes of posting it, fans began to freak out. Posting numerous comments on how 'retarded' I was, a 'bitch', and 'book bashing'. Apparently my grammar was also bad, which is really quite funny since the entire review had been checked for grammar and spelling on my microsoft word (lovely thing that program). Later I found out, that one fan had posted a link in a Twilight fan forum, inviting others to come and scream at me for my 'retarded' views. The thread also boasted of several users threatening to kill me, one wanted to use a shank. I found it all mildly amusing, that people would get so upset over an opinion on a freakin' book. While I know this is not true of all fans, it seems that many are ready to impose a sort Nazi stance on books. God forbid people have a dissenting opinion on a book that others like. It's insane!

The idea of a bunch of teeny-bopper girls out for my blood is not really as frightening as they would like it to be.

For your viewing pleasure, the review that started it all. And please...to any Twilight fans that might chance upon this. There is no need for threats or hysterics. It's just my opinion, not the end of the world.

Twilight: An American Tragedy

"I am an avid reader. I love and read books voraciously, one of my better vices. Literature is my life. So, when my younger sister told me of the book, Twilight, I decided to take a look. She raved about how awesome it was, a wonderful book worth reading. I decided to look past the fact that it was rated young adult, (after all, there are some books for the younger crowd that have proven themselves to be great books, such as the Chronicles of Narnia, and The Golden Compass). I love vampire fiction anyway, and with that in mind, began reading Twilight.

It was one of the worst experiences in my life.

I have this compulsion, a personality quirk if you will. I have to finish reading a book, and book series. Even if the books prove themselves to be terrible, and shoddy. However. Twilight was the exception. It took all of my strength to finish reading that book. An ordeal that left me drained, and scarred for life. I won’t be continuing the series, as I am not fond of pain.

It is beyond me why this book is so popular. For one thing, it is badly written. Written in first person, the book is a prime example of how first person can be abused, and mangled. Most of the book is a minute by minute account of the dull life of the main character, Bella. However, I could overlook the way the writer writes...which is terrible, if the story was good. And If the characters were compelling, and were able to show me their world, and make me feel for them. Twilight, was none of those things.

What attracts people to vampire fiction, is the struggle of good and evil. Are vampires automatically damned? Are they trading away their souls for immortality, and twisted perfection? Is such immortality a perverse imitation of God’s plan for eternal life in Heaven? Are they evil, or is it possible for a vampire to be good? The sun (God’s light) denies them. They feast on human blood every night, when they were once human themselves. The moral quandary of vampires is what makes vampire fiction so great. Good and evil battle within every story, an eternal theme that replays every day within our lives and imaginations. Vampires internalize that struggle, that age-old battle, within their very beings. A battle that means their soul, or the loss of such.

Twilight manages to destroy all that is good about vampires in one foul swoop. In Twilight, vampires do not burn in sunlight. No, such a mark of evil would ruin the god-like perfection of Twilight’s vampires. Instead, they glitter in the sun. Glitter. That is perhaps one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. Instead of vampires, we now have angst ridden, depressed pseudo-angels. So beautiful and perfect, their kisses can make you faint, and no doubt their farts smell like fresh-baked cookies. The sun makes them glitter so prettily, sort of like how all those kiddie shirts have words written in glitter these days. The battle of good and evil does not exist. While the vampire, Edward, bemoans the fact that he is a vampire, the absolute perfection of his being takes away from such apparent ‘suffering.’ In fact, it makes him seem whiny, and irritating.

Bella, the main character, is an attractive teenage girl, who moves to a new town. She is unaware of her attractiveness, so as to give her clichéd character some depth. Bella has pale skin and dark hair, as heroines of vampire fiction must be pale of skin and dark of hair. She listens to classical music, and reads classic books such as Pride and Prejudice, and Sense and Sensibility, her musical and literary choices an attempt to show how ‘unique’ and how much of a maverick she is. Bella doesn’t care about the ‘popular’ things in high school, again another trait to show us that Bella is really cool without trying, which makes her extra cool. This poorly written attempt to make Bella into an interesting and multi-faceted character, falls short, as Bella has as much depth and personality as a sheet of paper. Her character really has no interests or personality, beyond her obsessive love with the vampire Edward. In fact, it seems the only point to Bella’s life is to love Edward, as teenagers know so much about being in love. This is worse then an over-dramatized teenage romance, I could almost appreciate that. This is a soap-opera...with vampires.

Edward’s character is absolutely perfect. A god among men. His beauty is overwhelming, and constantly noted, so we don’t forget how amazingly beautiful he is. To prove how awesome Edward is, he doesn’t hunt humans. No, Edward hunts mountain lions. It’s nice to know that we have perfect god-like vampires killing off an endangered species, as humans aren’t doing a good enough job of it. He falls in love with Bella, and her scent, which is beyond me. Edward’s character is portrayed as a perfect being. He has lived far longer then Bella, making him far beyond her in emotional and mental maturity. Yet, he loves her, a flawed human who is still little more then a child. Which makes Edward, a pedophile.

All the characters are flat. Nothing is there to allow for the reader to connect with the character, to share their pain and love. Edward and the other vampires are too perfect, having the power of powers. A reader finds it impossible to identify with such absolute ‘perfection’. In fact, it is annoying, as how can there be any trials to overcome if the character is so perfect and amazing in every way? Bella has nothing to her character beyond love for Edward, she is just a card-board cutout to further the ‘romance’ of the story.
The twisted farce of ‘true love’ that Twilight parades about is disturbing. A generation of young girls now believe their only goal in life to fall in love with ‘Edward.’ The main character, Bella, isn’t even liked by Twilight fans, as she is competition for Edward’s love. Twilight has created a female character that reflects poorly on the gender, diminishing all respect toward women, and showing women to be weak-willed creatures always in need of rescuing. Twilight essentially tells young girls that the only point to a girl’s life is to get a boyfriend. Find the perfect man, gain ‘true love’...and that’s about it.

All of the above combines into what is one of the worse books in literature. It is a soap-opera, full of clichéd, trite bullshit that is enough to make someone stop reading for good. There is nothing original or creative to the book. In fact, no one likes the book because they think it is original, or a good read. They like it for Edward, they want to be Edward‘s girlfriend. Congratulation Stephanie Meyer, you have convinced young girls that their only purpose in life is to be a girlfriend for Edward. I’m a romantic myself, guilty as charged, but there was no real romance to this book. Only a bizarre obsession between two characters, both of whom have personalities that are about as interesting and multi-faceted as a potato. This is not romance.

The book is a travesty toward vampire fiction, and romance in general. It is a sad state of affairs when a bestseller is so horrible, that there is absolutely nothing of value to it, beyond a nice cover picture. I hope that the younger generation eventually turns to better books, ones that have an actual point. A story, a message to tell, something that connects us all with a common theme, and characters that reflect our own short-comings and accomplishments. Unfortunately, that won’t happen while Stephanie Meyer continues to write kiddie slash fiction. Perhaps all the money she gains from the books, book merchandise, and movie is worth what she has lost in artistic integrity. May all the gods of literature have mercy on her soul."

[Shaori]

At the risk of being torn apart by Twilight fans, I agree. I read the book on recommendation from a friend, who assured me it was better than the bible.
It bored me. It was incredibly obvious what was going to happen, boy and girl start out by hating each other, and then fall in love.
One thing I never managed to get out of my mind whilst reading the book was "You wouldn't love the bastard if he looked his age". They don't even talk. They all appear to have the same personality, and are incredibly boring.

The third book is slightly better seeing as one character develops a personality. Though I predict he'll commit suicide in the fourth book.

My friend and I later had a conversation about the book.
"So wasn't it so good?"
I debated over saying my real opinion:
I've never read such bullshit before in my life.
Better story lines have been invented by my two year-old niece.
I will throttle you if you ever promote such a book again.
"Yeah, it wasn't bad."
Twilight fans are vicious when provoked.

[bizzle]

My little teenage sister introduced them to me as well and I've read all three... multiple times. And yes, I know they are terrible but I can't help it. They're what I would consider my guilty pleasure. Its a sad, sad truth but whatever.

[Water-Sheerie]

We all have our guilty pleasures. I don't think it's bad to like Twilight...I just find it a tad unreasonable to be threatening others with violence if they don't like the books. The rabid fans (and not all Twilight fans are rabid) are like religious fanatics. Crazed, loud, wild-eyed foaming at the mouth fanatics. They scream and shout for hours, incoherently, which only reflects poorly on their own stance. And then, such insanity, reflects poorly on anyone else who likes Twilight.

Perhaps we should be wondering if Stephanie Meyer is trying to spawn a cult. A warning to all Meyer fans...watch out for red kool-aid.

[Cristo]

Man a bit off topic, but I think most people hated your review on how it was written. I got tired of reading quick. No offence but the whole "lets try to sound erudite and pseudo-analytical, and support this by using massive amounts of hyperbole and tautology" isn't as cool as you might think it is. Again, I'm not trying to be a dick that's just how I saw it.

But back on topic, never read the books but I've heard about them. Mixed feelings mostly, but never anything that made me pick up the book and read it. But after this thread, I have to try and read a book that's able to create such a review AND incite death threats with shanks and neo-nazi sentiments.

[Audioslave]

Give the little bitches a link to this forum :devil:


Anyway, I can't say I've read the book. Not at all up my alley, but let me say this;

TEEN FANTASY NOVELS ARE THE WORST THINGS EVER.

I've read very few, but the ones I have been given are generally under the label by all these little illiterate morons as "amazing." They are trash. I'm not a big fan of fantasy books to begin with, but I admit that they have their charms. Any integrity they have as books are the intricate plot lines and generally high writing skill. Now, for teen fantasy fiction, you need to loose both these things. They are 200-300 pages of pure "Then Agratha reached for the crystal as all the dwarves looked shocked. 'How will we get back to the kingdom now?!' said Greian" It is nothing but pure shit, and there is no doubt that this one is the exact same (better yet, it's probably about vampires.)

[Water-Sheerie]

Man a bit off topic, but I think most people hated your review on how it was written. I got tired of reading quick. No offence but the whole "lets try to sound erudite and pseudo-analytical, and support this by using massive amounts of hyperbole and tautology" isn't as cool as you might think it is. Again, I'm not trying to be a dick that's just how I saw it.

That's simply the way I write, and even speak. I really am not trying to sound condescending, or attempting to confuse people with 'big words.' If people can't understand what I was saying...I'm not going to water it down. Sucks for them, but I'm not going to change the way I write and speak because people think I'm putting on airs.

Actually, this was a complaint by several Twilight fanatics. One even stated that my attempts at having a 'big girl vocabulary' was stupid, and I needed to learn how to speak properly.

It's discrimination! This is not the first time I've been singled out due to my extensive vocabulary. I should start a lawsuit...

[ToastmasterAlpha]

I've read Twilight, and found it to be pretty bad, but not nearly as bad as you're suggesting. Sure, it may be awful, but I agree with what MCR guy said about your review. It was pretty damn condescending. But I'll have to watch what I say; my girlfriend loves the book.

[Shimigami]

Firstly, I'd like to state that I'm a fan of the Twilight series.
Secondly, I'd like to state that I really enjoyed reading the review. It was interesting, and well written. I didn't find it condescending, confusing or even offensive. The fact that I don't agree with many of the personal opinions voiced doesn't mean that I don't see the merit in the argument. In fact, I'm inclined to agree with the facts, it's simplistic, the characters are dull, and the plot leaves a lot to be desired.

I have friends who, thanks to Meyer, have no chance at finding happiness as they have a completely unrealistic view on the male population and what a relationship should be.

I don't find it difficult to believe that people resort to forum death threats when their world is threatened, I just find it incredibly sad. Especially given their world is based on something as inconsistent as Stephanie Meyer's books. Now if it were one of Phillip Pullman's series....

[Water-Sheerie]

Firstly, I'd like to state that I'm a fan of the Twilight series.
Secondly, I'd like to state that I really enjoyed reading the review. It was interesting, and well written. I didn't find it condescending, confusing or even offensive. The fact that I don't agree with many of the personal opinions voiced doesn't mean that I don't see the merit in the argument. In fact, I'm inclined to agree with the facts, it's simplistic, the characters are dull, and the plot leaves a lot to be desired.

Thank you. For the record, my younger sister is also a huge fan. She is also above average in reading for her age, so I'm not inclined to believe that only idiots like the books. She found the reveiw humorous as well. Also, I'm willing to say that there are worse books out ther. The Inheritance series by Paolini is probably worse...for the sheer fact that he blatantly plagarizes classic works, then tries to pass it off as his own. At least, Stephanie Meyer is not stealing from other writers.

[Couch]

Unfortunately, almost every teenage girl I know has read the Twilight series and is in love with Edward, putting my testicles in considerable danger every time I choose to comment on how pathetic it is. I can understand really liking a book or series, even to the point where you re-read it multiple times, but Twilight fans seem to be worse than Harry Potter fans. Rarely do I come across any girl who has read the book and thinks it was "just ok". I personally will never read the book.

By the way, I'm gonna show your review to a couple of said friends and see if they flip out like the people on the other forums. I think it'll be good for a couple of laughs.

[cosmosforest]

I've never even heard of the Twilight books, at least not until now, and from your review, I don't think I'll be bothering my ass to read about what sounds like an emo kid and an angelic vampire who flouts the traditional 'laws' of vampirism. So thank you for giving me the advance warning on this series!!
Anyway, I just wanted to ask: did the Twilight fans get passed the fourth paragraph, cos you really slammed it there!!

[Cristo]

I have friends who, thanks to Meyer, have no chance at finding happiness as they have a completely unrealistic view on the male population and what a relationship should be.



Wow you really have to elaborate on that point, I'm quite intrigued about the books now.

And why is it that they attract such a large audience of teenage girls? Any specific reason?

[bizzle]

Because the type of relationship that happens between the two heros is ridiculously sappy and unrealistic. They live for each other and never spend more than two or three hours apart. There's Romeo and Juliet type action about not outliving each other very long and what not. Its pretty lame. Plus Edward is rich, and supposedly super stylin'.

[Cristo]

Oh I see. The kind of the book that would make me want to kill infants and gouge my eyes out.

[Common-Iron-Chloride]

Wow, this book really sounds awful...

[Dresden]

I was thinking exactly the same thing, Common. Never heard of it, but I definitely will never read it. I have enough fantasy books to keep me occupied anyway... Wheel of Time, Sword of Truth, Harry Potter, Lost Years of Merlin, anything by Laurell K. Hamilton

[acoustickangaroo]

I like the Twilight Books, and I'm not ripping you a new one. However, you are getting hung up on stupid details and not letting yourself even give the book a chance. A book does not have to be perfect to be good. Have you ever read a book that you just read for the fun of it? Of course The Twilight Series is of no serious literary merit, but it is a fun read if you don't take it so seriously. Not all vampires have to be dark and evil and such. Just because she decided to make her vampires different than the usual ones doesn't mean they're wrong....

Plus, the next two books in the series have more plot, and aren't as lovey.

I read Laurell K Hamilton's books too. I really don't see them as that different from these....you need to get over your issues with stereotypes and details.

[THE_ARTIST]

Look, i frankly kind of like the books. i know. they suck. have fun with that. the plotline is predictable, the characters are 2-dimensional, etc. but theyre written in a way that hold your attention. i dunno. i can see why other people may not like them, but i like a light read now and then. allow us "laymen" out guilty pleasures, ok?

[supersmooth]

Hey, would you mind if I post this in a few groups on Facebook? I'd like to see a sample of the reactions you got, haha.

[Water-Sheerie]

Hey, would you mind if I post this in a few groups on Facebook? I'd like to see a sample of the reactions you got, haha.

Go ahead, but beware the wrath of the fanatics...:biggrin:

[GenericInsanity]

I like the books as something simple to read. They've got a somewhat compelling plot that is still idiotically simplistic. I'll never ever exclaim them to be the best books ever written, by far. Or even "great" books. But as far as books that I can knock out in 2 hours? They're pretty decent to satisfy my indulgence in teen romance fiction. =)

They've bastardized the vampire lore for sure, but I read Anne Rice for the good stuff. Or even better, original Bram Stoker. =) Literature=amazing. Somewhat decent novels= good trash. <3

[Cristo]

I like the Twilight Books, and I'm not ripping you a new one. However, you are getting hung up on stupid details and not letting yourself even give the book a chance. A book does not have to be perfect to be good. Have you ever read a book that you just read for the fun of it? Of course The Twilight Series is of no serious literary merit, but it is a fun read if you don't take it so seriously. Not all vampires have to be dark and evil and such. Just because she decided to make her vampires different than the usual ones doesn't mean they're wrong....

Plus, the next two books in the series have more plot, and aren't as lovey.

I read Laurell K Hamilton's books too. I really don't see them as that different from these....you need to get over your issues with stereotypes and details.

Are you a teenage girl by any chance?

[Miss Freeze]

I happen to like the twilight series, for reasons beyond a craving to be Edwards girlfriend, and I found parts of your review quite funny, not that I agree with all of your points. In every thing you will have a few over excited fans. You should provoke them, it would be entertaining.

[schlachthof.funf]

I really enjoyed reading your review. I admit the Twilight series is my one guilty pleasure series, but I also admit that your arguments are merited. Edward is annoyingly perfect (and thus one dimensional), and Bella needs rescuing entirely too many times. However, her character sort of fleshes out throughout the series, and even though I'm female I don't hate her at all. I feel kind of sorry for her, considering she thinks she's so "inferior" to her boyfriend.

Also, I thought it was cool that Meyer at least attempted to reinterpret vampire lit. Though I love the oldie vampire books, I respect Meyer for trying something unique. Instead of dining on human blood, the Cullens are "vegetarians." Instead of sleeping in coffins, they don't sleep at all. Instead of shrinking from the sun in fear they glitter (yes, cringe-worthy as that might be) in it. Even though the variations weren't written very well, I liked the variations themselves.

The good v. evil element is certainly still in the novel. James is one nasty little vampire, and even the Cullens struggle with their souls. Not as much as older vampire lit, but that element's really important in the series.

My favorite part is when you say, "no doubt their farts smell like fresh-baked cookies." Of course, the Cullens are simply too dignified to fart at all!

[KillCodyDead]

I skipped everyone else's posts and just came to spew my hate for this piece of trash excuse for a book. Here's an excerpt from something I sent to my friend about the series:

"And Twilight sucks because it's an exact copy off of a series of books written in 2002. It's also the most stereotypically appealing book I've ever read. About 80% of girls from the ages of 10 to 20 are going to go nuts over this book -- and they have. That's ridiculous. It's not praised because it's well written, or teaches anything, or bends your mind to the limits. It's praised because it's about a teenage girl who falls in love with a sexy vampire. Stupid. Every girl just wants to be Bella. Can you even fathom the fact that this book was compared to Shakespeare? That's beyond ignorant, that's heresy."

[Hawthorne Heights]

Haha I am indeed one of the Twilight fans you were trying to avoid, but I do not threaten to kill.
I would agree that the life of the main character is "dull", but that is the whole point. She is just an ordinary person but meeting Edward changes her life forever, yada yada.
The reason it is so appealing is the well developed personalities of the characters Edward and Jacob. The author purposely puts an emphasis on the male characters so girls like myself will simply get addicted to the books, so that is why most of you, who are guys, dislike it so. Sure, I, too would despise a book that makes the female charcters uber awesome and the male character is boring and bland, I probably wouldn't read past the first page.
But I do see your side on the whole not written well thing. I think Stephenie Meyer just kinda wrote whatever came to mind first because she thought it sounded good, having no plot in mind. I read somewhere where she didn't even intend for JAcob to become a main character when writing Twilight- this being an example of the weak planning. But the overall story is good and greatly appealing (to some)...

[Water-Sheerie]

The reason it is so appealing is the well developed personalities of the characters Edward and Jacob. The author purposely puts an emphasis on the male characters so girls like myself will simply get addicted to the books, so that is why most of you, who are guys, dislike it so.

Actually, I'm a girl (young woman to be exact.) I really don't think it is the emphasis on male leads that causes one to hate the books. It is the sappy, over-fluffed 'romance', and I hesitate to use that word, that is the biggest issue. Perhaps it is the age difference, but there are young adult books, involving a female falling in love with a vampire, that I like.

The Silver Kiss wasn't bad. I tend to like well-rounded, well developed characters in general, their gender is not a factor in deciding whether or not thise will be a good book. Whether male or female. Charles de Lint does wonderful male and female leads. Patricia Briggs has a good female lead in her Mercy series, a world with vampires and were-wolves.

Just a thought: Does it bother you that the writer so blatently tries to maniuplate and brainwash young girls like that?

[DARSEE]

i read Twilight after about five different people told me it was AMAZING! I was beautifully let down. I will admit that i enjoyed reading it, and it holds a place on my bookshelf. The problem i found with it was that it was like 400 pages long and nothing happened at all. they could have made it 200 pages long. in my version, there were like three word to the page with a huge font for a big kids chapter book. It was just a teenaged girls fantasy stretched out. Do you know what i mean? That is to say, i am a teenaged girl but this strikes me as the sort of thing that my peers might daydream about during math class. (i prefer to daydream about things more sensible than hottie vampires ;P) I disliked how all the guys suddenly liked her and no one was extremely good looking except for the vampires and Bella. i feel it was badly written even for a teen novel. nonetheless, i enjoyed reading it. It only took a couple hours so it wasn't that much of a waste of my time.

also kudos to your review. it was fun to read and i found your vocabulary and grammar refreshing. i hope to expand my vocabulary to the extent of what yours is. all the people who criticized that were ignorant and said it because they didn't understand what you were saying.

as an afterthought:
another thing i HATED was the fact that Bella was so needy! she was like an emo girlfriend. She never thought she was good enough. she only knew edward for like two weeks then started saying she loved him and never to leave her. i hate when girls do that. She was so clingy. if i were edward, i would have dumped that chick before she started calling me eight times a day to make sure i wasn't making out with some other girl. that justed P'ed me O. If other girls rush into relationships like that because this book tells them to, i will personally smack Stephanie Meyer right in the face. And what kind of girl wants to make a life altering decision, such as becoming a vampire, to stay with a boy they have just met? This is her first boyfriend, and she is like 16 or something. Her feelings might possibly change one day, but then she will be stuck as a 16 yr old vampire. That just really got my goat.

And the new-and-improved vampires:
they just seemed so unbelievable. It seemed too convenient that some of them had powers and other didn't.
i have read Anne Rice. She tries too hard, but that it beside the point. Her vampires were all perfect. These vampires are all perfect. just mentioning.

[Cristo]

People should read real fantasy like the Wheel of Time and A Song of Ice and Fire rather than this bullshit.

And that's not even trolling, it's just pure scientific fact. These books are mind numbingly stupid and horrible.

[Water-Sheerie]

People should read real fantasy like the Wheel of Time and A Song of Ice and Fire rather than this bullshit.

And that's not even trolling, it's just pure scientific fact. These books are mind numbingly stupid and horrible.

I find it disturbing how the worst books become the most popular. 'The Inheritence' series, 'Twilight', 'the Anita Blake' series...pure shit.

While amazing books such as, "Perks of Being a Wallflower," and anything by Charles de Lint are ignored.

I guess it's like McDonalds. The food is terrible, but millions still eat there. 'Twilight' is garbage, but it has a huge fanbase. Causing heart-attacks of the mind with each page.

[Ghoulz]

This Book Fails.
I tried to read a bit of it but it's not my thing.

[schlachthof.funf]

I find it disturbing how the worst books become the most popular. 'The Inheritence' series, 'Twilight', 'the Anita Blake' series...pure shit.

While amazing books such as, "Perks of Being a Wallflower," and anything by Charles de Lint are ignored.

I guess it's like McDonalds. The food is terrible, but millions still eat there. 'Twilight' is garbage, but it has a huge fanbase. Causing heart-attacks of the mind with each page.

I don't think "Perks of Being a Wallflower" is ignored, nor do I think it's that amazing. I really like it, but it feels too Holdenesque (whom I love). I do agree with you on Twilight and McDonalds, though.

[BKS]

People should read real fantasy like the Wheel of Time and A Song of Ice and Fire rather than this bullshit.

And that's not even trolling, it's just pure scientific fact. These books are mind numbingly stupid and horrible.

I actually have a deepseated hatred for Robert Jordan, but George R. R. Martin writes A Song of Ice and Fire like it's a never ending handjob. By far, one of my favorite fantasy series.


This Twilight shit seems rank, but alas I have yet to read it myself.

[Cristo]

The only thing I dislike about Robert Jordan and WoT is how, I guess, long-winded and drawn out it is and also who he puts SOOO much emphasis on how different men and women are, otherwise I think it's a cracking good read and I'm actually quite glad it spans 12 800+ page books :P

Also, I completely agree with what you wrote about A Song of Ice and Fire, it's absolutely amazing and not nearly enough people have really heard about it.

[John Travolta]

I've been told how great these books are by the girl I'm trying to woo, so for the sake of getting laid I'm going to say that Twilight is the best novella in the history of language.

[Inseln]

Thank you, I am now not going to read the twilight series. My friend's have recomended it to me over and over again, weirdly, they all have a love for vampires and romance. I myself hate the romance part, and the only thing I find attractive about vampires is the horific, murderous, blood sucking, immortal side. Take that away and they're pathetic.

I hate Bella to, but only for the fact that she should be shot, and this hasn't been done yet.

[MistyTehMoose]

Thank you, I am now not going to read the twilight series. My friend's have recomended it to me over and over again, weirdly, they all have a love for vampires and romance. I myself hate the romance part, and the only thing I find attractive about vampires is the horific, murderous, blood sucking, immortal side. Take that away and they're pathetic.

I hate Bella to, but only for the fact that she should be shot, and this hasn't been done yet.

See the problem here is that you should read the book and make your own opinion. Sure, she writes a convincing argument, but you should never make an opinion based on someone else's.

I myself have not read the book, more because I do not have the time.

[Amyrat151]

Water-Sheerie, I wanted to first of all say that your vocabulary was concise and well thought out. It didn't seem that you were putting on airs or trying to "sound" smart when you’re well typed out opinion is proof enough of your intelligence.
Up until about a mouth ago I only had vaguely heard of Twilight, I've seen it at Barns and Nobel, and seen a few people, mostly girls, caring around one of the books on campus. But my cousin read the first book and said happily that she couldn't put it down, due to the fact that my cousin and I have similar opinions on enjoyable media, I thought I might like it as well and she let me borrow it. I couldn't finish the first book, I got so sick of it's complete unoriginality I put it down, and I'm more than happy to never pick it up again.
I am for all purposes, a teenage girl, for the next 10 days anyway, I turn 20 on the 21st, so I am the demographic the book reaches for. So I'm not coming from the view of some guy who pukes at the mere thought of a romance movie or novel. I like romance, a proud shipper of various fandoms, I'd happily talk the ear off to anyone to describe of one my favorite couples.
And it's obliviously not the fantasy part, since I've been watching sci-fi and fantasy literally my entirely life. I watched X-Flies when I was 5, and Star Trek before I could talk.
Vampires? Don't bother me either, though I've never been a fan of Anne Rice, and never even read one of her books, nor any other vampire lore, I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer dearly, and perfectly happy to state it loud and proud.
As I've just hinted, I am in fact a giant geek, and even though I'm pretty ignorant of other vampire stories, I'm fully versed in all kinds of other fiction that's been typed as "geeky" or "nerdy" by many. Who ever said that Meyers don’t take from other people isn’t looking hard enough at other fiction.
What really killed me when I was reading Twilight, is how much it was painfully like other stuff I like, either Meyers is a fantasy fan herself or the clichés in Twilight are a hell of a coincidence. I am one of the other 13 people in the world who watched Roswell from beginning to end. It was about a group of beautiful aliens whose secret is found out by a dark hair brainy girl when she was saved by one of the aliens who had fallen in love with her, sound familiar? I mentioned Buffy the Vampire Slayer before, one of the conversations between Edward and Bella sound amazingly similar to Buffy and Angel's conversation after they first meant. Buffy "maybe I don't want a friend," Angel: "I didn't say I was yours." And of course Buffy's passionate romances with both the bleach blonde and brunet vampire make the viewer/reader of both that and Twilight makes one ask the question "Haven't I seen this before?"
That's the question that I kept asking myself as I kept reading. Usually the media I enjoy is similar, and that usually makes me happy to draw comparisons, but Twilight is a special case. It's special because the characters are the flattest characters I've ever viewed. Bella's is so spineless; she doesn't have any courage to tell any of her boring "normal" suitors that she's not interested. Another cliché! Hello Riley, or Hojo, or Norrington. She has no ambition, no hopes for her future, no real friends or people who really understand her. She has no life, or excitement, other than Edward, which is just so anti-feminist; it almost makes me what to cry.
The straw that broke the camel’s back, what made me put down the book, is the fact that Edward carried Bella on his back through the forest. Anyone who’s a fan of InuYasha can be with me on this one, but for those who don’t like this manga/anime series, I’ll explain. InuYasha always carries Kagome on his back when they need to get to places. To shorten, InuYasha is the hero, Kagome is the girl he saves, it’s strand comic forum, only the series has originality and asks the questions that Water-Sheerie posted about vampire series. It is definitely worth while.
So, rant over. That felt good to get it all off my chest.

[Water-Sheerie]

Water-Sheerie, I wanted to first of all say that your vocabulary was concise and well thought out. It didn't seem that you were putting on airs or trying to "sound" smart when you’re well typed out opinion is proof enough of your intelligence.
Up until about a mouth ago I only had vaguely heard of Twilight, I've seen it at Barns and Nobel, and seen a few people, mostly girls, caring around one of the books on campus. But my cousin read the first book and said happily that she couldn't put it down, due to the fact that my cousin and I have similar opinions on enjoyable media, I thought I might like it as well and she let me borrow it. I couldn't finish the first book, I got so sick of it's complete unoriginality I put it down, and I'm more than happy to never pick it up again.
I am for all purposes, a teenage girl, for the next 10 days anyway, I turn 20 on the 21st, so I am the demographic the book reaches for. So I'm not coming from the view of some guy who pukes at the mere thought of a romance movie or novel. I like romance, a proud shipper of various fandoms, I'd happily talk the ear off to anyone to describe of one my favorite couples.
And it's obliviously not the fantasy part, since I've been watching sci-fi and fantasy literally my entirely life. I watched X-Flies when I was 5, and Star Trek before I could talk.
Vampires? Don't bother me either, though I've never been a fan of Anne Rice, and never even read one of her books, nor any other vampire lore, I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer dearly, and perfectly happy to state it loud and proud.
As I've just hinted, I am in fact a giant geek, and even though I'm pretty ignorant of other vampire stories, I'm fully versed in all kinds of other fiction that's been typed as "geeky" or "nerdy" by many. Who ever said that Meyers don’t take from other people isn’t looking hard enough at other fiction.
What really killed me when I was reading Twilight, is how much it was painfully like other stuff I like, either Meyers is a fantasy fan herself or the clichés in Twilight are a hell of a coincidence. I am one of the other 13 people in the world who watched Roswell from beginning to end. It was about a group of beautiful aliens whose secret is found out by a dark hair brainy girl when she was saved by one of the aliens who had fallen in love with her, sound familiar? I mentioned Buffy the Vampire Slayer before, one of the conversations between Edward and Bella sound amazingly similar to Buffy and Angel's conversation after they first meant. Buffy "maybe I don't want a friend," Angel: "I didn't say I was yours." And of course Buffy's passionate romances with both the bleach blonde and brunet vampire make the viewer/reader of both that and Twilight makes one ask the question "Haven't I seen this before?"
That's the question that I kept asking myself as I kept reading. Usually the media I enjoy is similar, and that usually makes me happy to draw comparisons, but Twilight is a special case. It's special because the characters are the flattest characters I've ever viewed. Bella's is so spineless; she doesn't have any courage to tell any of her boring "normal" suitors that she's not interested. Another cliché! Hello Riley, or Hojo, or Norrington. She has no ambition, no hopes for her future, no real friends or people who really understand her. She has no life, or excitement, other than Edward, which is just so anti-feminist; it almost makes me what to cry.
The straw that broke the camel’s back, what made me put down the book, is the fact that Edward carried Bella on his back through the forest. Anyone who’s a fan of InuYasha can be with me on this one, but for those who don’t like this manga/anime series, I’ll explain. InuYasha always carries Kagome on his back when they need to get to places. To shorten, InuYasha is the hero, Kagome is the girl he saves, it’s strand comic forum, only the series has originality and asks the questions that Water-Sheerie posted about vampire series. It is definitely worth while.
So, rant over. That felt good to get it all off my chest.

Thank you. And I must say, it is always a pleasure to meet another Trek fan.
I have heard of Roswell, and saw one episode at my cousin's house. I wish I could have seen more, unfortunately at the time I was literally living without a tv. I didn't realize that Twilight has so many similarities/rip-offs from Roswell.
The whole anti-feminism of the book makes me want to cry as well.

[Amyrat151]

Star Trek holds a lot of my heart ^.^
Yeah, Twilight is a lot like Roswell, only the young girl who was saved, Liz, actually had a back bone, hopes and dreams that didn’t revolve around the aliens, and was intelligent for real, not that “unique” intelligence that Bella displays by only reading classic novels, the ones that any one who takes an English lit class in college or even high school, would read. ::rolls eyes:: If Meyers really wanted this girl to be a class above the rest of her mere “normal” peers, she’d have Bella crack the binding of something like “Midnight’s Children” or “A Hundred Years of Solitude,” I mean, people outside merry old England write books. And she didn’t even read those classic novels on her own, she even said that she read them in her last school’s English class, if I recall. I’m not knocking English literature here, I have Chaucer, Shakespeare, and TS Elliot on my shelf; I’m just pointing out how unremarkable Bella is.
And, yeah I think the two words I’d use to describe Twilight would be “rip off,” Roswell, Buffy, InuYasha, and other comic books…it’s a big rip off.

[Water-Sheerie]

It always kind of irked me that Meyers seemed to think that making her avatar read 'big books' is a replacement for actual character development. She lists the books and music tastes of Bella in a blantent show of 'name-dropping.' It's all to show us how smart and cultured Bella is. Lets not forget how Bella is completely oblivious to all the boys being attracted to her, strangely this situation also happened to Meyers ::cough::MarySue::cough::

Also the fact that these people are living in Washington, state of Seattle, and not one mention is made of the grunge scene. This is supposed to be a normal high school, yet there is not one garage band. Seriously, even a passing mention of a garage band would have been nice. There appears to be no 'hang-out' for the students either, again proof that Meyers can't write believable teenage characters and the teenage scene.

A rip-off and complete garbage...the only good thing about the books is the nice cover picture. Also another person who hated the books pointed out that Twilight is very useful for burning.

[sacredfem]

I have no comment in regards to your (extreme) dislike of twilight. Personally I love the books. To each his own, oui?

I would like to say though, your punctuation failed in the first few paragraphs. It made me sad.

That's all I have to say. I (REALLY) like the books so I have nothing to add to this conversation.

OH! PS: That was quite the rant you made. It made me smile. :D

PPS: While I'm aware you're just quoting someone else, if you do actually burn the book I'm going to have to kill you. The death wouldn't be because you burnt Twilight it would be because you burnt a book... That's just blasphemy, my dear.

[Mr.Tea]

That review was great, I must applaud you on the sheer dread and distasteful tone you had toward the book. So much fire.:lol:

[thatswhatyourmomsaid]

Water-Sheerie, I wanted to first of all say that your vocabulary was concise and well thought out. It didn't seem that you were putting on airs or trying to "sound" smart when you’re well typed out opinion is proof enough of your intelligence.
Up until about a mouth ago I only had vaguely heard of Twilight, I've seen it at Barns and Nobel, and seen a few people, mostly girls, caring around one of the books on campus. But my cousin read the first book and said happily that she couldn't put it down, due to the fact that my cousin and I have similar opinions on enjoyable media, I thought I might like it as well and she let me borrow it. I couldn't finish the first book, I got so sick of it's complete unoriginality I put it down, and I'm more than happy to never pick it up again.
I am for all purposes, a teenage girl, for the next 10 days anyway, I turn 20 on the 21st, so I am the demographic the book reaches for. So I'm not coming from the view of some guy who pukes at the mere thought of a romance movie or novel. I like romance, a proud shipper of various fandoms, I'd happily talk the ear off to anyone to describe of one my favorite couples.
And it's obliviously not the fantasy part, since I've been watching sci-fi and fantasy literally my entirely life. I watched X-Flies when I was 5, and Star Trek before I could talk.
Vampires? Don't bother me either, though I've never been a fan of Anne Rice, and never even read one of her books, nor any other vampire lore, I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer dearly, and perfectly happy to state it loud and proud.
As I've just hinted, I am in fact a giant geek, and even though I'm pretty ignorant of other vampire stories, I'm fully versed in all kinds of other fiction that's been typed as "geeky" or "nerdy" by many. Who ever said that Meyers don’t take from other people isn’t looking hard enough at other fiction.
What really killed me when I was reading Twilight, is how much it was painfully like other stuff I like, either Meyers is a fantasy fan herself or the clichés in Twilight are a hell of a coincidence. I am one of the other 13 people in the world who watched Roswell from beginning to end. It was about a group of beautiful aliens whose secret is found out by a dark hair brainy girl when she was saved by one of the aliens who had fallen in love with her, sound familiar? I mentioned Buffy the Vampire Slayer before, one of the conversations between Edward and Bella sound amazingly similar to Buffy and Angel's conversation after they first meant. Buffy "maybe I don't want a friend," Angel: "I didn't say I was yours." And of course Buffy's passionate romances with both the bleach blonde and brunet vampire make the viewer/reader of both that and Twilight makes one ask the question "Haven't I seen this before?"
That's the question that I kept asking myself as I kept reading. Usually the media I enjoy is similar, and that usually makes me happy to draw comparisons, but Twilight is a special case. It's special because the characters are the flattest characters I've ever viewed. Bella's is so spineless; she doesn't have any courage to tell any of her boring "normal" suitors that she's not interested. Another cliché! Hello Riley, or Hojo, or Norrington. She has no ambition, no hopes for her future, no real friends or people who really understand her. She has no life, or excitement, other than Edward, which is just so anti-feminist; it almost makes me what to cry.
The straw that broke the camel’s back, what made me put down the book, is the fact that Edward carried Bella on his back through the forest. Anyone who’s a fan of InuYasha can be with me on this one, but for those who don’t like this manga/anime series, I’ll explain. InuYasha always carries Kagome on his back when they need to get to places. To shorten, InuYasha is the hero, Kagome is the girl he saves, it’s strand comic forum, only the series has originality and asks the questions that Water-Sheerie posted about vampire series. It is definitely worth while.
So, rant over. That felt good to get it all off my chest.



See, I love Buffy too and have seen all the episodes, and my friend was going on and on and on about Twilight and despite me thinking that it was just going to be a rip off of Buffy, I read it, just to shut her up.

I liked it; both my sisters and my mother did too (lol I didn't even bother to try to get my dad to read it, it's definitely a girl book, no offence to any guys who read it, it's just that it's aimed at teenage girls). I'm not an obsessive Twilight fan who wants to kill you for having a difference in opinion, in fact, I did notice some similarities between Roswell and Twilight, but just think:

EVERY SINGLE IDEA FOR ROMANCE HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE!

So give Stephenie Meyer a break, and let teeny-boppers have their insane, obsessive fun.:douchecock::douchecock:

[Jimith Jamith]

you guys use to many big words

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[Amyrat151]

Water-Sheerie, cheers, mate :). I agree, all the books that she read and the classical music she listens to is just shameless name dropping. And I thought about it a bit more, she could of had Bella be bilingual, or know how to play a musical instrument, or write poetry if she really wanted Bella to be "special" in comparison to her class mates. Reading books and listening to classical music doesn't make you smart or glaring "cool" like I think Meyers wants her to be.
When I first started to read it, I thought it was just boring, I only started to get annoyed when all of Bella's normal suitors started winding around the corner, it's Mary Sue, it makes me cringe.
But I still won't burn the books. I think what thatswhatyourmomsaid wrote has a point. We should just let those people who think that clichéd, dime-a-dozen soap opera-y literature is worth reading have their fun. It's impossible to reason with fangirls any way, which is Twilight's main audience. As long as no one is calling the books "the greatest literary work of our time," I can keep my annoyance in check.
But I don't give Meyers a break. It's true just about every romantic story ever has been done before, but what makes the story worth it is how it's presented. It matters if the characters are relatable in there thoughts and feelings and in their actions towards the other characters. If they're multi dimensional people, who when they do something, we ask ourselves, "was that right or wrong?" It's not a given that anyone will do the right thing, like in real life. And that they are people we aspirer to be, strength of will, a desire to do the right thing and make the world a better place, and having dreams that are beautiful.
If the themes with in the story reaches to be of philosophical value, gets you asking questions about human nature, and the role of fate or destiny, our place in the world.
Maybe I'm too cerebral a person. Maybe I expect to much of writers. Maybe I should just allow myself to be entertained. But if I yelled to this type of thinking, I wouldn't be me. Twilight neither stimulated my mind, in presenting the philosophical questions I posted above in ways I never saw before, nor my heart, with well rounded, multi dimensional characters.

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[Cheskaz]

it as better than the bible

What isnt?!?!

Well i loved twilight, i thought it was funny and interesting i dont even really like Edward (Jasper is the best)ive read them all and i loved them and Breaking dawn is the only book im looking forward to this year. But if thats my opinion.

[Common-Iron-Chloride]

I like the Twilight Books, and I'm not ripping you a new one. However, you are getting hung up on stupid details and not letting yourself even give the book a chance. A book does not have to be perfect to be good. Have you ever read a book that you just read for the fun of it? Of course The Twilight Series is of no serious literary merit, but it is a fun read if you don't take it so seriously. Not all vampires have to be dark and evil and such. Just because she decided to make her vampires different than the usual ones doesn't mean they're wrong....

Plus, the next two books in the series have more plot, and aren't as lovey.

I read Laurell K Hamilton's books too. I really don't see them as that different from these....you need to get over your issues with stereotypes and details.

That's funny because there's people who ACTUALLY take this seriously, they need to see something good, something.......funny.
Or of course, a good vampire movie.

[Whoisdan]

Despite the hate, I bought this book for my mom for mother's day. She's a huge reader, and I think she might enjoy it, because she doesn't enjoy vampire fictions - But this is more so a, cute n' cuddly vampire that don't bite or die or look all wrinkly. I'll probably read it after her, though.

[Miss Freeze]

Speaking of Twilight and it's author. Has anyone gotten feed back on her new book, The host? I actually like her other books so I kinda want to read this one.

[Water-Sheerie]

Speaking of Twilight and it's author. Has anyone gotten feed back on her new book, The host? I actually like her other books so I kinda want to read this one.

In all honesty, The Host sounds like a bad rip-off from the Animorphs. I've read a bit of it, and it was just terrible. The writing had not improved, still very choppy and filled with purple prose. Meyer also writes under the belief that one should put as many info-dumps and unnecessary pages of information as possible. We also had the paragraphs of unnecessary description for the Gary Stue of the tale, purple prose again, and Meyer's trademark 'romance' that is about as unromantic as one can get. The phone book is more romantic then anything I have read by Meyer.

All in all, it was a typical literary abortion by Meyer. Add to the fact that Meyer is copying the Animorphs...:barf:

[244ryan]

Well from a few friends of mine (the ones smart enough to read those books) the reviews were great!

[lasercats]

I honestly loved the book Twilight... not so much the other ones but I still liked them. I don't like Jacob much. :tongue:

[Zanna]

must admit i'm a twilight fan. i thought your review was interesting if a little harsh. but to each his own.
i know they're pretty crap but there's something that just makes you love them and obsess over them. it's like watching soap opera's; they get you hooked and you end up loving them. it's a guilty pleasure that mainly girls go for and some (well a lot) take it too far and end up as raving psychopaths.which is really quite sad and pathetic.

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[Smelly_Cat]

I liked the book, but an opinions an opinion and that review was great, Teenagers just like to overreact to get attention.

[Ranewyn]

I have yet to read the book and I don't plan on becoming another crazed fangirl like the rest of the fan base is. I have also heard alot of good and bad things about this book. Most of the good stuff usually is incoherent babble about Edward.

About your review, I don't think there were any 'big girl' words in there. Well maybe 'quandary', but that doesn't count. :P I do like your review, it hits alot of main points that will steer me away from reading this book.

[cyanideL]

I have read all of the books thusfar, and i have no love for them. I am only continuing to read the books because i am praying that one of the main characters will be gruesomely murdered. I will also watch the Twilight movie when it comes out in December, only to laugh at how much worse it will be than the book. Thank you, Water-Sheerie, for stating the complete truth about the novel.

[hoopymo]

Don't lie, you love it.

[cyanideL]

Speaking of Twilight and it's author. Has anyone gotten feed back on her new book, The host? I actually like her other books so I kinda want to read this one.

The Host, in my opinion, is worse than Twilight. I nearly fell asleep. It could have been condensed to 100 pages. The majority of the book is just a group of people living in caves.

[cyanideL]

Don't lie, you love it.

Oh im not lying. I hated it from start to finish. But i want sweet justice in the form of the death of one of the main characters.

[Grunka-Lunka]

Well the books are 'ok' I guess but I have to say something about the cast of the movie Twilight.If anyone went to Comic-Con ya they were there,and they are all complete IDIOTS!!! Except one of the girls but I forgot her name.Anyways all the girls were going insane over these dumbass guys just screaming their heads off whenever they went 'uhh...ummm...welllll....what?' It was sad...

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[MistyTehMoose]

Oh im not lying. I hated it from start to finish. But i want sweet justice in the form of the death of one of the main characters.

Looks to me like we have a closet Twilight fan.

[GCBC]

I liked the books, and will be the first to admit it. I think the problem that most of you have with them is the fact that (hopefully) you are beyond the maturity level of a preteen female. I challenge the girls here that are a bit older to remember back to how they acted when they were 12 years old, what their reading interests were, their love for boy bands, etc... The same principle applies here. Because of the huge popularity of the books, people are starting to read, expecting them to be more than they were meant to be. I for one think that they fit their intended purpose. She didn't want to write a book about vampires ripping each others throats out with gory scenes and all that jazz. The books are intended for a younger audience.

[cyanideL]

Looks to me like we have a closet Twilight fan.

aw HELL no

[MistyTehMoose]

aw HELL no

Suuuure you're not :shobon:

[Cristo]

The books are intended for a younger audience.

But you're in your 20's and everyone else of the girls who posted in your topic are in their late teens, early 20's and not pre-teen.

[hoopymo]

So this book makes teenagers wet?

[Antisaint]

But you're in your 20's and everyone else of the girls who posted in your topic are in their late teens, early 20's and not pre-teen.

It's called a guilty pleasure. Everyone has one.

[cyanideL]

Suuuure you're not :shobon:

well i'm actually not. im not joking.

[SpamMeHarder]

I too have received recommendations to read this book, all by teenage girls younger than I. I decided to take them up on the offer. It might be that I am not that big on vampire fantasies (except for Underworld. Kate Beckinsale is fucking hot!), but I just couldn't get into the book as much as I have with other works of literature. I don't know why, but it wasn't as alluring as my references made it seem. As to people threatening to kill you, damn. I had no idea that fans could be that insane.

Just a little thing I wanted to add to the conversation.

F.Y.I. I did not receive any death threats after revealing my take on the book.

[GCBC]

But you're in your 20's and everyone else of the girls who posted in your topic are in their late teens, early 20's and not pre-teen.

That's my point. It sounds to me like these people started reading the books as if the writing style was going to be something like, I dunno, Tolstoy. Or Anne Rice would be a more appropriate comparison I guess. I am seeing a lot of arguments about how the writing is crap and the characters are crap, but I was trying to make the point that, in my opinion anyway, a lot of 12 and 13 year olds think and act more shallow and less complex like that. Not saying that they are dumb or anything. Dammit, I am having a hard time explaining what I am trying to say here, so nevermind. Meh.

[Echo]

Twilight is a guilty pleasure of mine and although i like the book I thought your review was really good. I agree with a lot of the reasons you made and didn't think the typos are a good reason for arguement. Silly obsessive fangirls. It annoys me how they attacked you like that, kinda disrespectful of the book in my opinion.


no doubt their farts smell like fresh-baked cookies.

That made me laugh :D

[illustriousaffliction]

I think one of the main things that draws people to their relationship is the fact that it's so dangerous for Bella. Her blood smells good to most vampires, but to Edward it's like (to steal a simile directly from the book) a drug addict put in a room full of heroin that he's not allowed to touch. He could just give in and mangle her any second. I know, the fact that he doesn't just makes him seem more perfect, but still...

The second and third books do get much better, or at least more violent. Really the only good thing about the last one was when the half-vampire baby practically clawed its way out of her stomach, but that's just my opinion.

I honestly am not surprised that you got death threats, but I thought your review was funny. I agreed with a lot of what you said, despite the fact that I'm a huge fan of the series.

[heythatoneguy123]

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[ZigZag]

WHAT THE HELL DUDE!

[Pieman]

If it wasn't for that fantastic musical score, I would have thought the was going to flop.

But I don't remember it being in the book, so I'm going to go the literary elitist way and boycott it for adding in scenes.

[roemerm]

I for one do love the Twilight series, I just finished the fourth book. I am a teenage girl and the reason it appeals to so many of girls like me is that they want happy endings, they want romance, they want a book that will make them feel all 'fuzzy' inside, if you understand what I am saying. Twilight is a love story, but it's a little different than most books available to to teenage girls. The characters are quite typical, and you know what is going to happen, but I still think that the story is cute and entertaining. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I think shanking might be going to a bit of an extreme.

[Ikin]

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Fuck you.

[EatedYourCookie]

"Twilight has created a female character that reflects poorly on the gender, diminishing all respect toward women, and showing women to be weak-willed creatures always in need of rescuing. Twilight essentially tells young girls that the only point to a girl’s life is to get a boyfriend. Find the perfect man, gain ‘true love’...and that’s about it."

I could not agree more. In the second book, her life is in complete shambles until ANOTHER man comes along and picks up the pieces! All these romance books make women seem like their only job is finding a guy to save them and fall in love with. It's ridiculous.
I do actually like the Twilight series though. It's a guilty pleasure; teen romance books. They're easy to read and I finish most off in a day or two. But I found myself agreeing with basically all of your review (which was very well-written by the way, and not condescending at all). Edward is a whiney little bitch! I prefer Jacob. *Spoiler warning* He's the one she met on the beach and they develop a relationship later, and their relationship is much more realistic-seeming. They're friends and he's just a typical boy: he knows his way around car and motorcycle engines, he messes around with his friends and he has a crush on a girl. It's not that ridiculous. I sort of wanted her to go out with Jacob.
But anyhoo, I think it's just stupid that people are so up in arms about a silly series of books. I know I only read those things because I have no love life of my own :P nothing to get so heated up about. It's sad that they get so pissed about this, and if you tell them something outrageous like "George Orwell was a moron", all they would say is "Who's George Orwell?".
The point of these kinds of books was always just to have something to read in between real books, and for silly immature fun. Some books I read are just plain depressing and I need a pick-me-up when I finish them!
The problem with today's generation is that they think this is a real book!
It just pissed me OFF how stupid most people are now! I'm considered to be quite the writer in my year group, but I think the only reason for that is because I actually read and because most of the other people can barely put together a sentence with more than one clause! It saddens me and I'm really frightened by the thought of what the world will be like when my generation is in charge.

Go ahead and put me in a Time Out for this Wall of Text, but I like to rant, too. You know you've done it, too.

[Freelancer]

The reason it is so appealing is the well developed personalities of the characters Edward and Jacob. The author purposely puts an emphasis on the male characters so girls like myself will simply get addicted to the books


So she's just a money grubbing bitch?

Huh.

[Shimigami]

Wow you really have to elaborate on that point, I'm quite intrigued about the books now.

And why is it that they attract such a large audience of teenage girls? Any specific reason?

Sorry for the late-as reply, school etc took over my life.

Two of my school friends are both avid readers, and discovered Twilight (the book) right after its initial release, and have been hooked since then. They see the Cullen sons as "Ideal Men", in a similar way to Gene Roddenberry describing Captain Kirk, Mr Spock and Dr McCoy as the ideal man, if combined. It means that any young men they come into contact with are held up against the Cullens, in particular Edward, and found lacking. This failure of men to be impossibly perfect, and lifeless, has led them to believe that no one is good enough, and they have rather lonely, isolated lives.

[Cristo]

Two of my school friends are both avid readers, and discovered Twilight (the book) right after its initial release, and have been hooked since then. They see the Cullen sons as "Ideal Men", in a similar way to Gene Roddenberry describing Captain Kirk, Mr Spock and Dr McCoy as the ideal man, if combined. It means that any young men they come into contact with are held up against the Cullens, in particular Edward, and found lacking. This failure of men to be impossibly perfect, and lifeless, has led them to believe that no one is good enough, and they have rather lonely, isolated lives.

You can't possibly be serious. That is pathetic.

And these are real girls we're talking about, and not some hypothetical syndrome that can be experienced?

[MistyTehMoose]

I am saving myself for a man EXACTLY like Edward because he is just so dreamy :hmm:

I actually haven't read the book, and I plan to hold my opinion until I have read at least a little bit. I have read the anger (and love) in this thread, and whilst I am pretty convinced I should hate it, I don't base opinions on what other people think.

MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD TRY IT

[Haggis McSpud]

I read the books, all four of them, and although I admit I thought they were an interesting read, however I don't think they're worth all the media attention, book reviews and the extremist fans around the world. Brainwashing perhaps?

[Cristo]

I am saving myself for a man EXACTLY like Edward because he is just so dreamy :hmm:

I actually haven't read the book, and I plan to hold my opinion until I have read at least a little bit. I have read the anger (and love) in this thread, and whilst I am pretty convinced I should hate it, I don't base opinions on what other people think.

MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD TRY IT

I decided to try it.

I despise it but I continue to read it and enjoy it. I feel like I should be mutilating myself while reading it.

I have figured out what genre it is. It isn't romance or fantasy or any of that. It's "Airport Novel". The kind of thing you'd pick up and read somewhere no-one would ever see you again.

[Shimigami]

You can't possibly be serious. That is pathetic.

And these are real girls we're talking about, and not some hypothetical syndrome that can be experienced?

No joke. I will say this in their defence, apart from that characteristic, they're both lovely young women. But too much anime, too much manga, and too much Twilight means that just don't know how to deal with real men.

[Glixz]

I decided to try it.

I despise it but I continue to read it and enjoy it. I feel like I should be mutilating myself while reading it.

This is how me liking this series makes me feel, I should HATE everything about this series but for some reason something about it makes it impossible to not read it. I'm not a "proud fan" but I will admit Im a fan despite the fact I hate myself for liking it.

[TheSwanAndTomatoes]

No joke. I will say this in their defence, apart from that characteristic, they're both lovely young women. But too much anime, too much manga, and too much Twilight means that just don't know how to deal with real men.


Are you shitting me?? that is the saddest thing I have ever heard. These girls will die lonely with a battered copy of twilight clutched in their claw like fingers, Their eminent death a pre-curser to all quasi-twilight readers. And as their last breath escapes them they will wonder what life would have been like with someone who wasn't Edward. As their wasted bodies are disposed of, their only friends in the whole world will wonder what caused this fate.

Sorry for the rant, but I can honestly think of no worse thing.

[Tastychainsaws]

Are you shitting me?? that is the saddest thing I have ever heard. These girls will die lonely with a battered copy of twilight clutched in their claw like fingers, Their eminent death a pre-curser to all quasi-twilight readers. And as their last breath escapes them they will wonder what life would have been like with someone who wasn't Edward. As their wasted bodies are disposed of, their only friends in the whole world will wonder what caused this fate.

Sorry for the rant, but I can honestly think of no worse thing.

Shit that was one of the smartest things I've ever read...today. Anyways my Ex-girlfriend was like that. She expected me to be the hero from one her animes who would come and save her from her a-little-less-than happy life(Woo your dad yells at you how terrifying) and of course I'm just an average Joe so her opinion of me wasn't a nice one. In fact her opinion on men in general was based off of books like that.

[Pieman]

No joke. I will say this in their defence, apart from that characteristic, they're both lovely young women. But too much anime, too much manga, and too much Twilight means that just don't know how to deal with real men.

I didn't think Twilight would make women pathetic and lonely like men with their anime and manga. I thought it'd be more like illiterate people, and their Harry Potter fixation. Where they go after people with the same obsession, not people like the ones from the text.

On the loneliness note; Damn you Negima, for giving me unrealistic dreams of getting a harem of young women after me when I revert pack to a 9 year old :mad:

[Cristo]

Damn you Qu'ran for making me believe I would have 72 spotless, blemishless virgins for all eternity in the afterlife :argh:

[Silver-Salvia]

The writing style for the book "Twilight" is terrible. I can't help but feel like I'm reading something of a horny 13 year old who needs to learn what a thesaurus is. It's overly simplified and idiotic. It's like a plethora of every horny 13 year old girl's sex fantasies.
Agreed.

[Tastychainsaws]

The writing style for the book "Twilight" is terrible. I can't help but feel like I'm reading something of a horny 13 year old who needs to learn what a thesaurus is. It's overly simplified and idiotic. It's like a plethora of every horny 13 year old girl's sex fantasies.
Agreed.

Theres sex!? :D

I've read the first two and theres been no sex. The only remotely sexual thing Bella does is go on and on about the way he smells.

In opinion vampires should smell something like dirt and ash not happy-go-lucky mother fucking flowers!

</crappy rant>

[Meako]

I must say this post has been an interesting read. I, myself, have read all of the twilight books, including Breaking Dawn. I didn't even want to finish the first one, it made me want to die. The main character, Bella (beautiful? seriously? How cliché), is a pathetic, little whiny brat who constantly needs someone to tell her she's beautiful, unique, and be with her every moment of every day.
I am 19, and I have had several break-ups that have hurt emotionally, but Bella acts like it's fricken WWIII! GET OVER IT! I have told this to my obsessed friends, and their argument was "It was true love! She couldn't live without him!" Well I'm sure that people who's "true loves" have died have found a way to get on with their lives!
The books was adequately written, with the authors vocabulary and descriptions, but everything was ripped off and over done. I, frankly,do not see why people are calling it a masterpiece.

[hyperbryarmonkey]

I am an avid reader of the Twilight series, but I thought, on the whole, that review was pretty good. Maybe a bit out of proportion but hey! She does go on and ON about Edwards beauty, which annoyed the hell out of me. But the whole reason people like this book and get "Addicted" (Which is quite truly sad) is because of how original and "Unmainstream" The story and the portrait of the "Good, angelic" vampire Stephenie created. However, the last book, Breaking Dawn, was quite litterally, crap.

[Tastychainsaws]

I am an avid reader of the Twilight series, but I thought, on the whole, that review was pretty good. Maybe a bit out of proportion but hey! She does go on and ON about Edwards beauty, which annoyed the hell out of me. But the whole reason people like this book and get "Addicted" (Which is quite truly sad) is because of how original and "Unmainstream" The story and the portrait of the "Good, angelic" vampire Stephenie created. However, the last book, Breaking Dawn, was quite litterally, crap.

Look at me posting again...

Anyways even though she went on and on about his beauty I still never got a good mental picture of him or what his voice sounded like. SOOO I just imagined him sounding and looking like Solid Snake.

Made the book A LOT more interesting.

[peasupplyco]

Solid Snake would have kicked some ass though. This Edward kid is just lame.

[Slutty McBangerton]

The writing style for the book "Twilight" is terrible. I can't help but feel like I'm reading something of a horny 13 year old who needs to learn what a thesaurus is. It's overly simplified and idiotic. It's like a plethora of every horny 13 year old girl's sex fantasies.
Agreed.
It's written for 13 years, so your criticism doesn't seem to apply here. You can't bitch about the fact that it's written in a style that, though it's not particularily well written, perfectly fits the audience it's meant for.

It's a bit like whining about how Dr. Seuss isn't at the same writing level as Shakespear.

[schlachthof.funf]

Part of the reason why Twilight is such a popular series is because of Meyers's ability to tell a story well. Even if her writing doesn't suit your tastes, or you have objections to the plot, or all the characters are just too damned perfect, Twilight is irresistible even to people who've said they "hated" themselves for reading the series. No matter what my objections to the series are, there's a little voice in my head that wants to read more, if only to see what happens. Then, after reading the first book, I felt like I had to finish the series or reading just the first book would have been in vain. Ending the series, I feel like a starving person who just ate a picture of food. It was fun while I was doing it but by the end I felt unsatisfied, like I had wasted my time. I don't regret it, though. It's nice to be pulled in by a book every once in a while, regardless of how the book turned out.

[Meako]

Part of the reason why Twilight is such a popular series is because of Meyers's ability to tell a story well. Even if her writing doesn't suit your tastes, or you have objections to the plot, or all the characters are just too damned perfect, Twilight is irresistible even to people who've said they "hated" themselves for reading the series. No matter what my objections to the series are, there's a little voice in my head that wants to read more, if only to see what happens. Then, after reading the first book, I felt like I had to finish the series or reading just the first book would have been in vain. Ending the series, I feel like a starving person who just ate a picture of food. It was fun while I was doing it but by the end I felt unsatisfied, like I had wasted my time. I don't regret it, though. It's nice to be pulled in by a book every once in a while, regardless of how the book turned out.


:( I have hated myself for reading it, and you are right!

I too have a little voice in my head that's threatening to kill me if i don't keep reading. Although, I have that voice whenever i don't finish reading any book. It's an annoying habit, but a habit all the same.

[Haggis McSpud]

Twilight seems to have broken the population of the internet world into three types of people; those who havn't read Twilight, those who have read it and are absolutely obsessed, and those who have read the books and thought they were ok, but hate the fact that they actually did enjoy them.

[Glixz]

Twilightseems to have broken the population of the internet world into three types of people; those who havn't read Twilight, those who have read it and are absolutely obsessed, and those who have read the books and thought they were ok, but hate the fact that they actually did enjoy them.

Wait a second, I am obsessed and I hate myself for it. Which catagory am I in?

[yellersamick23]

I had a girlfriend who read those books as though they were the holy bible , and then she would go to school and have a twenty minute discussion with other twilight fanboys.

These discussions made me think so much less of her that I realized I wasnt with the right person and eventually dumped her.

shallow of me ,yes, but much necessary to my own health and sanity.

[hoopymo]

Its okay, you made the right decision.

[Haggis McSpud]

Wait a second, I am obsessed and I hate myself for it. Which catagory am I in?

Quit fucking up my categories! But I'd put you in the far right section of the third category.

[Meako]

Maybe there are 4 categories? Because I have read it, and didn't enjoy it.

When everyone is talking about a book series this much, it's good to read it before you start complaining about it. And that's true with all books and movies.

[peasupplyco]

Yeah, there are alot of people who read it and hated it. Completely and utterly.

[Shimigami]

But equally there are a lot of people who've read it and loved it to the point where they threaten anyone that dares to threaten their daydream world, in which they've killed Bella and married Edward. And that's where the problem lies.


It's "Airport Novel".
Cristo's right. It's trash, but I found it very enjoyable as trash.

e:My bad, apologies.

[Cristo]

Can you spell my name right? It's as if all the noobs are illiterate, no offense.

I just saw this big bit on CNN about the Twilight series and how they're heralding her as the new J.K. Rowling. Fuck off.

I've completely stopped reading the series now, because I was too embarrassed to continue reading it after seeing 600 14 year old girls screaming and getting all wet when they saw Stephanie Meyer. I just, oh man I've lost all self-respect.

I've already been lying to my family and friends about what I've been reading, I'm tired of lying to myself. Although I do hope that Bella is bitten by Edward and they get to live happily ever after as an immortal couple :hmm: ARGH! STOP IT!!

:bangkill:

[tashiun]

First off, I am, indeed, a crazed Twilight fan. However, I must applaud you on your dissection of the book, because it was quite humorous and had many good points that I didn't notice while reading. I suppose, after all, it wasn't THAT AMAZING of a book, and I do accept that Edward IS a fictional character, but who 'doesn't' like the normal fairytale? It was sort of silly how the vampires were glittery and perfect with no real inner turmoil to their sins, but I suppose I found it so interesting because of it being different and the same at the same time.

Of course Bella's an idiot, that way it's easier for the reader to replace her with themselves.

[CrowbarDoom]

The fans of crummy literature series' are out to get you. They have shanks.

Oh my gooooooood.

[Vir]

ahahahahahaha
victory for those who are actually literate! thank you for posting your review. Im going to send the link to all my friends that can't get enough of this book ie girls that are hot but lack brains. and hopefully they'll STFU about how they read a book! and its soooo great and they appreciate lit-er-ature now becuase they can read.
so yeah that was awesome, cynical and cold blooded any vampire made in the image of superman with teen angst had best be on their guard lest you reveal them for the bags of shit they truly are

[Cristo]

The only reason this book was slightly appealing to me, I realise now, was because Jacob is a werewolf and Edward is a vampire and they're always fighting vampires and shit. Otherwise it would have been boring, sentimental, Romeo and Juliet-esque drivel.

[timbot]

I've completely stopped reading the series now, because I was too embarrassed to continue reading it after seeing 600 14 year old girls screaming and getting all wet when they saw Stephanie Meyer. I just, oh man I've lost all self-respect.


That made you STOP reading it? Anything that can make 600 14 year old girls wet is something I want to be a part of.

[Pieman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dompotjTeIA

Front page of youtube.

[Cristo]

That made you STOP reading it? Anything that can make 600 14 year old girls wet is something I want to be a part of.

Come to think of it, you're right.

When I go pulling down at the playground and in Chatrooms, the Twilight series makes for an excellent conversation starter.

Oh and Pieman, that was genuinely funny. I really enjoyed that. There's no way in hell I'm watching the real movie (and I actually mean that).

[Vir]

The writing style for the book "Twilight" is terrible. I can't help but feel like I'm reading something of a horny 13 year old who needs to learn what a thesaurus is. It's overly simplified and idiotic. It's like a plethora of every horny 13 year old girl's sex fantasies.
Agreed.

the funniest thing is though a bunch of my friends are between 16 and 18 and are like "wow ive learned so much vocab from reading this" of course its the step up from reading cosmo. how the fuck do people make it through life so completely ignorant, what are schools for now?

[kingswood]

i was told to read the first book of twilight by one of my best friends, and after that i could not get enough of them, i have read them all and have agreed with my friends that it is truly captivating and such a great read, although i dont agree at all with the other comments againts stephanie myers books, everyone's entilted to their own oppinion, it looks like teen romance with vampires in it isnt exactly up your tree, dont bother with the movie then, although i honestly dont think that fans should go so far as to say they will kill you, thats a bit extreme......

[Shimigami]

what are schools for now?

Don't you know? They're just a place to park your arse between infancy and adulthood. The rest is purely optional. Most people manage to avoid the whole "learning" aspect of schooling, choosing to focus on the social side.

[MistyTehMoose]

Oh my. I stumbled across this (http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2372676663) on facebook today.

[asphysciated_emus]

Well, congratulations to Stephanie Meyer on all her success. The bookstores have had a field day on this one.
I can only hope all this hype won't last forever like the Harry Potter series does.

[DoctorButt]

Harry Potter books are fucking great. Meyer has nothing on Rowling.

[Duece]

Oh my. I stumbled across this (http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2372676663) on facebook today.

He looks like he could take a dick. i can see the attraction....

[UnderOath]

The only reason this book was slightly appealing to me, I realise now, was because Jacob is a werewolf and Edward is a vampire and they're always fighting vampires and shit. Otherwise it would have been boring, sentimental, Romeo and Juliet-esque drivel.


Let's be honest here, werewolves are way cooler than vampires, in every way possible. Especiallly the amazing glittering vampires in twilight.
Kate Beckinsale is the exception.

[Cristo]

I don't know. There is something pretty cool about vampires.

Their devilish charm, sexy mysteriousness, impecable dress sense.

But I see what you mean.

[Vir]

Yeah, why do vampires always have ridiculously amzing costumes?
Of course werewolves just run around half-nude so they might win that to...
Showing some skin beats hot clothing anyday.

[Bayview05]

Why would they wear hot black clothes anyway? If they hate the sun (=heat) and love night (=cold) why the fuck would they want long black clothes? This is probably racial profiling at work, there is no proof vampires wear black.

[MistyTehMoose]

They hate the sun because it is light, you faggot.

[UnderOath]

Unfortunately the way they depict Jacob (the werewolf) in this book puts them to shame. He's a needy little dick obsessed over a boring girl, hell thats lame.

[heatherfeather]

Don't worry. I haven't even read this book series and I don't want to. High-five to the Anti-Twilights!

[MistyTehMoose]

Don't worry. I haven't even read this book series and I don't want to. High-five to the Anti-Twilights!

You can't be against something if you haven't taken the time of day to look at it. Way to jump on the bandwagon, dumbshit.

[Vir]

Oh damn! Way to call that bitch out Misty.

[Wackiest]

I don't like possessive fans like that, Harry Potter fans often start to twitch and foam at the mouth when I mention I don't think it's very good. This Twilight series seems intriguing, I may read it at some point. I guess a lot of the fans are teenage girls who are in love with this Edward character.

[Cristo]

So I'm almost finished with Breaking Dawn, do we know if there's a 5th one coming out?

Just so I can read it and absolutely hate and despise it.
And despise myself :((

[BurgerKueen]

There was supposed to be Midnight Sun but she cancelled it and put up her draft online after someone leaked it. It's Twilight from Edward's point of view.

I'm surprised you made it so far. I was a Twilight fan until I read the rest of the series. I had to stop reading after Eclipse because it just really got on my nerves with each page. I know pretty much everything that happens in Breaking Dawn from my friends though.

[Cristo]

I have to admit as badly written as it is, I do quite enjoy the story.

I don't know, I guess the whole tragic love (as far as it lasts in the series) does it for me but also the werewolves and vampires theme is pretty cool.

I do wish Jacob had died/killed himself at some point because he couldn't handle his unreciprocated love for Bella and then Bella would have been absolutely crippled and it would be horrible and mournful and a lot like Romeo and Juliet.

Is the whole thing with Midnight Sun DEFINITELY cancelled then? Why would she kill her off the chance for MORE revenue just because someone leaked some information about it. I wonder where it would have gone anyway.

[BurgerKueen]

I don't know, she's probably sick of writing after spewing 5 books in like 3 years. It might also be a way to get back at all the hate towards Breaking Dawn: you don't like my story, I stop writing then!

I think the whole Jacob twist just got too dramatic. There really was no reason for him to love Bella that much except the whole "we were meant to be if it wasn't for this fantastical power intervening". Same with Edward. Why love her so much that even if she makes out with a werewolf you're okay with it? I mean in Eclipse it came to the point where Bella could've decided to stay with Jacob then go back to Edward when he died or something (I mean yeah she's a human so there would be an age problem, but still). I didn't find the love the characters had for each other realistic after a while, so everything just became stupid. All that tragic drama started to make me laugh.

I'll still finish Breaking Dawn and read Midnight Sun whenever I have some time though. You can find it here. (http://stepheniemeyer.com/midnightsun.html) I read the first chapter and it seemed better than the rest to me. I don't know if she would've done it for all the series if it sold well, I think she should've just written Twilight and Midnight Sun and nothing else though. I would have liked her more then, but that's just me.

Oh and I also hate how Breaking Dawn has a happy ending for everyone. She should've killed some people or make them suffer at the least bit.

[Narcissus]

I've been forever put off vampire fiction since "My Immortal" by Tara-fucktard-Gilsebe. Thanks to that thirteen year old "OMG IM EMO LUL MCR" dickweed, I forever can't read anything with vampires in without having awful flashbacks to a story that gave a reading experience similar to hai2u + lemonparty x goatse-to-the-power-of-meatspin.

Eh, maybe when the scars heal I'll pick up Twilight and enjoy the cliché.

[Cristo]

I don't know, she's probably sick of writing after spewing 5 books in like 3 years. It might also be a way to get back at all the hate towards Breaking Dawn: you don't like my story, I stop writing then!

I think the whole Jacob twist just got too dramatic. There really was no reason for him to love Bella that much except the whole "we were meant to be if it wasn't for this fantastical power intervening". Same with Edward. Why love her so much that even if she makes out with a werewolf you're okay with it? I mean in Eclipse it came to the point where Bella could've decided to stay with Jacob then go back to Edward when he died or something (I mean yeah she's a human so there would be an age problem, but still). I didn't find the love the characters had for each other realistic after a while, so everything just became stupid. All that tragic drama started to make me laugh.

I'll still finish Breaking Dawn and read Midnight Sun whenever I have some time though. You can find it here. (http://stepheniemeyer.com/midnightsun.html) I read the first chapter and it seemed better than the rest to me. I don't know if she would've done it for all the series if it sold well, I think she should've just written Twilight and Midnight Sun and nothing else though. I would have liked her more then, but that's just me.

Oh and I also hate how Breaking Dawn has a happy ending for everyone. She should've killed some people or make them suffer at the least bit.

I'm really gay and lame, so I'd quite like to see the series picked up after Breaking Dawn.

From what I've heard Midnight Sun is the first book but from Edward's perspective.

[BurgerKueen]

Yeah it is. It's pretty interesting actually but the draft ends really early. I think right after Edward saves Bella in Port Angeles and they're asking each other questions.

[Cristo]

Yeah it is. It's pretty interesting actually but the draft ends really early. I think right after Edward saves Bella in Port Angeles and they're asking each other questions.

To be honest I would have loved the ending in Breaking Dawn to have been this:

When the Volturi were deciding what to do and Bella had just perfected her shield the Cullen clan and friends should just have fucking pounced on the Volturi and raped the shit out of them. Having eradicated the Volturi and leaving the underworld without a ruling family, cue the Cullens.

That would have been so great. A fucking battle royale slaughter and the rise to greatness of the Cullens. But I guess she was too mormon to write something like that.

[BurgerKueen]

In her FAQ for Breaking Dawn, she says that she just couldn't stand to kill anyone. :shobon:

Why the big build-up for a fight that didn't happen?

I'm not the kind of person who writes a Hamlet ending. If the fight had happened, it would have ended with 90% of the combatants, Cullen and Volturi alike, destroyed. There was simply no other outcome once the fight got started, given the abilities and numbers of the opposing sides. Because I would never finish Bella's story on such a downer—Everybody dies!—I knew that the real battle would be mental. It was a game of maneuvering, with the champion winning not by destroying the other side, but by being able to walk away. This was another reason I liked the chess metaphor on the cover—it really fit the feel of that final game. I put a clue into the manuscript as well. Alice tore a page from The Merchant of Venice because the end of Breaking Dawn was going to be somewhat similar: bloodshed appears inevitable, doom approaches, and then the power is reversed and the game is won by some clever verbal strategies; no blood is shed, and the romantic pairings all have a happily ever after. (I guess it's a spoiler? It's from her Breaking Dawn FAQ)

Horrible. Her mental age is like a 12 year old girl who needs a Disney ending to be satisfied. But then that's probably her intended audience.

[veveze]

Okay, so I'm a quasi-twilight fan. I actually discovered it before all of my friends and really liked it, told them about it, shared it. I enjoyed it because it was an easy read and I liked vampires and whatnot. Anyway, suddenly all of my friends were SUPER into it, and HAD TO GET THE BOOKS, while yeah, I liked it, but it wasn't the greatest piece of work I'd ever read. I'm an Anne Rice, Dean Koontz, Michael Crichton sort of gal, truly. Anyway, I just wanted to add my two cents about the characters and how I have grown to hate them, by means of fan girls ruining the books for me and Stephenie Meyer being so damn fixated on appearance.

Bella does not love Edward. She thinks he's pretty, she thinks he sparkles. That is all. Stephenie Meyer gave both of those characters little to no depth. Personally, I find the most interesting character Jasper. Where the hell is Jasper's book? Yes, I read the whole series, bought the whole series, and I enjoyed it. But it's not the best series ever. I don't know why it IS so popular, I don't understand how people can't see past the fact that Stephenie Meyer is so shallow and basically wrote her own wet dream about a hot vampire guy. Whatever. The story has some cool parts, but whatever.

Sometimes I really regret introducing twilight to my friends. I've accidentally turned a bunch of people into fan girls. My bad.

[Pieman]

I'm starting to think I turned Cristo into a Twilight fangirl. I'm both saddened, and disgusted by such a thing.

[BurgerKueen]

Yes!! Jasper is the most kickass, amazing character in the book.

[Cristo]

Okay, so I'm a quasi-twilight fan. I actually discovered it before all of my friends and really liked it, told them about it, shared it. I enjoyed it because it was an easy read and I liked vampires and whatnot .... Stephenie Meyer being so damn fixated on appearance.


Same here, that's why I enjoyed them. You didn't have to follow too many different plotlines and there wasn't a whole lot of fantasy lore to keep up with etc. (I'm a Fantasy kind of guy), so this was nice. Also, vampires and werewolves are never bad.

But the new JK Rowling? What? No. Noooooooooooooooo.

Don't get me wrong, JK Rowling and Harry Potter weren't that great in the first place but this isn't the new that.

[javaD]

I'm not sure how many people are familiar with the book Twilight. Anywho, I wrote a review of that book, and posted it another forum that I happened to be a part of. This site, mind you, is not twilight.com. It is not affiliated in anyway with the book, and is simply a site open for any opinion.

Apparently, opinions belong to those that hate the book are not welcomed.

Within minutes of posting it, fans began to freak out. Posting numerous comments on how 'retarded' I was, a 'bitch', and 'book bashing'. Apparently my grammar was also bad, which is really quite funny since the entire review had been checked for grammar and spelling on my microsoft word (lovely thing that program). Later I found out, that one fan had posted a link in a Twilight fan forum, inviting others to come and scream at me for my 'retarded' views. The thread also boasted of several users threatening to kill me, one wanted to use a shank. I found it all mildly amusing, that people would get so upset over an opinion on a freakin' book. While I know this is not true of all fans, it seems that many are ready to impose a sort Nazi stance on books. God forbid people have a dissenting opinion on a book that others like. It's insane!

The idea of a bunch of teeny-bopper girls out for my blood is not really as frightening as they would like it to be.

For your viewing pleasure, the review that started it all. And please...to any Twilight fans that might chance upon this. There is no need for threats or hysterics. It's just my opinion, not the end of the world.

Twilight: An American Tragedy

"I am an avid reader. I love and read books voraciously, one of my better vices. Literature is my life. So, when my younger sister told me of the book, Twilight, I decided to take a look. She raved about how awesome it was, a wonderful book worth reading. I decided to look past the fact that it was rated young adult, (after all, there are some books for the younger crowd that have proven themselves to be great books, such as the Chronicles of Narnia, and The Golden Compass). I love vampire fiction anyway, and with that in mind, began reading Twilight.

It was one of the worst experiences in my life.

I have this compulsion, a personality quirk if you will. I have to finish reading a book, and book series. Even if the books prove themselves to be terrible, and shoddy. However. Twilight was the exception. It took all of my strength to finish reading that book. An ordeal that left me drained, and scarred for life. I won’t be continuing the series, as I am not fond of pain.

It is beyond me why this book is so popular. For one thing, it is badly written. Written in first person, the book is a prime example of how first person can be abused, and mangled. Most of the book is a minute by minute account of the dull life of the main character, Bella. However, I could overlook the way the writer writes...which is terrible, if the story was good. And If the characters were compelling, and were able to show me their world, and make me feel for them. Twilight, was none of those things.

What attracts people to vampire fiction, is the struggle of good and evil. Are vampires automatically damned? Are they trading away their souls for immortality, and twisted perfection? Is such immortality a perverse imitation of God’s plan for eternal life in Heaven? Are they evil, or is it possible for a vampire to be good? The sun (God’s light) denies them. They feast on human blood every night, when they were once human themselves. The moral quandary of vampires is what makes vampire fiction so great. Good and evil battle within every story, an eternal theme that replays every day within our lives and imaginations. Vampires internalize that struggle, that age-old battle, within their very beings. A battle that means their soul, or the loss of such.

Twilight manages to destroy all that is good about vampires in one foul swoop. In Twilight, vampires do not burn in sunlight. No, such a mark of evil would ruin the god-like perfection of Twilight’s vampires. Instead, they glitter in the sun. Glitter. That is perhaps one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. Instead of vampires, we now have angst ridden, depressed pseudo-angels. So beautiful and perfect, their kisses can make you faint, and no doubt their farts smell like fresh-baked cookies. The sun makes them glitter so prettily, sort of like how all those kiddie shirts have words written in glitter these days. The battle of good and evil does not exist. While the vampire, Edward, bemoans the fact that he is a vampire, the absolute perfection of his being takes away from such apparent ‘suffering.’ In fact, it makes him seem whiny, and irritating.

Bella, the main character, is an attractive teenage girl, who moves to a new town. She is unaware of her attractiveness, so as to give her clichéd character some depth. Bella has pale skin and dark hair, as heroines of vampire fiction must be pale of skin and dark of hair. She listens to classical music, and reads classic books such as Pride and Prejudice, and Sense and Sensibility, her musical and literary choices an attempt to show how ‘unique’ and how much of a maverick she is. Bella doesn’t care about the ‘popular’ things in high school, again another trait to show us that Bella is really cool without trying, which makes her extra cool. This poorly written attempt to make Bella into an interesting and multi-faceted character, falls short, as Bella has as much depth and personality as a sheet of paper. Her character really has no interests or personality, beyond her obsessive love with the vampire Edward. In fact, it seems the only point to Bella’s life is to love Edward, as teenagers know so much about being in love. This is worse then an over-dramatized teenage romance, I could almost appreciate that. This is a soap-opera...with vampires.

Edward’s character is absolutely perfect. A god among men. His beauty is overwhelming, and constantly noted, so we don’t forget how amazingly beautiful he is. To prove how awesome Edward is, he doesn’t hunt humans. No, Edward hunts mountain lions. It’s nice to know that we have perfect god-like vampires killing off an endangered species, as humans aren’t doing a good enough job of it. He falls in love with Bella, and her scent, which is beyond me. Edward’s character is portrayed as a perfect being. He has lived far longer then Bella, making him far beyond her in emotional and mental maturity. Yet, he loves her, a flawed human who is still little more then a child. Which makes Edward, a pedophile.

All the characters are flat. Nothing is there to allow for the reader to connect with the character, to share their pain and love. Edward and the other vampires are too perfect, having the power of powers. A reader finds it impossible to identify with such absolute ‘perfection’. In fact, it is annoying, as how can there be any trials to overcome if the character is so perfect and amazing in every way? Bella has nothing to her character beyond love for Edward, she is just a card-board cutout to further the ‘romance’ of the story.
The twisted farce of ‘true love’ that Twilight parades about is disturbing. A generation of young girls now believe their only goal in life to fall in love with ‘Edward.’ The main character, Bella, isn’t even liked by Twilight fans, as she is competition for Edward’s love. Twilight has created a female character that reflects poorly on the gender, diminishing all respect toward women, and showing women to be weak-willed creatures always in need of rescuing. Twilight essentially tells young girls that the only point to a girl’s life is to get a boyfriend. Find the perfect man, gain ‘true love’...and that’s about it.

All of the above combines into what is one of the worse books in literature. It is a soap-opera, full of clichéd, trite bullshit that is enough to make someone stop reading for good. There is nothing original or creative to the book. In fact, no one likes the book because they think it is original, or a good read. They like it for Edward, they want to be Edward‘s girlfriend. Congratulation Stephanie Meyer, you have convinced young girls that their only purpose in life is to be a girlfriend for Edward. I’m a romantic myself, guilty as charged, but there was no real romance to this book. Only a bizarre obsession between two characters, both of whom have personalities that are about as interesting and multi-faceted as a potato. This is not romance.

The book is a travesty toward vampire fiction, and romance in general. It is a sad state of affairs when a bestseller is so horrible, that there is absolutely nothing of value to it, beyond a nice cover picture. I hope that the younger generation eventually turns to better books, ones that have an actual point. A story, a message to tell, something that connects us all with a common theme, and characters that reflect our own short-comings and accomplishments. Unfortunately, that won’t happen while Stephanie Meyer continues to write kiddie slash fiction. Perhaps all the money she gains from the books, book merchandise, and movie is worth what she has lost in artistic integrity. May all the gods of literature have mercy on her soul."

Thats nothing! I used twilight pages to wipe my ass and then I burned them in front of a "twilight fan reunion" thing near my house

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[ashley102231]

ok so i do have to say that i am a "major" twilight fan. i started reading the books and i was hooked. no i do not have it in my mind that i have to find my edward and i don't believe that there is going to ever be a man such as the one described in the book. yes the first book is somewhat of a bore but i have to say as they continue they do seem to pick up more action and adventure. but i do not see how some of the people would flip out at someones opinion and i am sorry that fans of this particular series have done so. thats over the top by far. i have to say you put up a fair argument of what you thought and you shouldn't be prosecuted and degraded for such. yes i am a teenage girl but i do not and will not let myself get caught up on a book that i know will never come true. yes. its a interesting and compelling story "in my opinion." but my opinion and no one elses should stop people from thinking what they will about a book. but i have to honestly ask...was it seriously the worst experience of your life...? i can think of many things far worse that could possibly be it.

but on to the soul and being damned stuff. the book does delve more into Edwards and the Cullens souls as it continues. Thats the main reason he has a problem with Bella as the story develops more depth. but from other views i can see how some people would despise this book. at first i thought nothing of it til i continued reading. I get hooked on in my opinion good books and once i start a series i have to finish it too. i can't stop. but i do recognize my reality and i don't live in a fantasy world of vampires and werewolves. i realize it will never be. Yes Meyers decides to change the perspective of what vampires have been for years. she makes then innocent and good instead of guilty and horrid. that may be why its such a seller with the younger female crowd. i know many friends of mine that have read this series and enjoy it but we still have a grasp on our truth of it all. yes, people have become slightly OBSESSED with this book....but what do you expect some of the readers are hormone strucken teenager girls who are looking for that kind of love because they don't have a grasp on what a real relationship is. at times i'm a true romantic but i know theres no way that the guy i'm falling for is going to be able to stand between me and a mini van. some people just need to open their eyes.

i get that the way they fall in love is way to predictable but its more indulging as the story continues because of the trials they're put through to keep it together. honestly i was quite oblivious to what was going to happen because they never truely showed what was going to lead up to it. but i do have to say that i personally do not think that its the worst piece of literature ever. i believe there may be far worse pieces to be made or are made. but if a book such as the twilight series disturbs you in such a way then what literature titles can you provide for me that you do enjoy reading...?

[BurgerKueen]

You actually like the rest of the series more than the first book? I want to slap Meyer for every page she wrote after Twilight. Their initial attraction loses its charm, their "trials" are just frustrating and their reactions are almost ridiculous. I regret having read past the first one honestly.

And I'll watch the complete DVD collection of Angel again to learn about how vampires can be good and whatnot, not Meyer's fantasies about them.

[Water-Sheerie]

but i have to honestly ask...was it seriously the worst experience of your life...? i can think of many things far worse that could possibly be it.

It certainly was one of the worst. I love reading, books are a passion of mine. I enjoy books for entertainment, and for the ideas. I'm sorry, but I don't understand the appeal of reading a book that has no value at all, merely mindless fluff. I want thought-provoking quality literature...so yes, Twilight was a huge let-down, not to mention the negative message it sends about women is personally offensive.

but on to the soul and being damned stuff. the book does delve more into Edwards and the Cullens souls as it continues. Thats the main reason he has a problem with Bella as the story develops more depth.

There is no reason for angst. Edward doesn't burn in sunlight, holy water has no effect, all possible signs of God's 'damnation' do nothing to Meyer's vamps. So why do they wonder about their souls? They are depicted as the epitome of perfection...and still the angst comes. It's baffling and aggravating.

The main reason he has a problem with Bella...well, there really is no reason. Meyer just adds angst because she believes she's writing the next Romeo and Juliet. Laughable, I know.

Yes Meyers decides to change the perspective of what vampires have been for years. she makes then innocent and good instead of guilty and horrid.

She changes them completely for no reason at all. There is no method to her madness. And seriously, what is up with the glittering? It is one of the most vapid and inane physical character traits I've come across. It serves no purpose for the series and the race of the vamp-Sues themselves, other then sheer Sue'ness.

yes, people have become slightly OBSESSED with this book....but what do you expect some of the readers are hormone strucken teenager girls who are looking for that kind of love because they don't have a grasp on what a real relationship is. at times i'm a true romantic but i know theres no way that the guy i'm falling for is going to be able to stand between me and a mini van. some people just need to open their eyes.

There's a fifteen year-old girl who got pregnant with a guy named Edward due to her 'slight obesession' with these books. She was going to give the baby up, the prospective parents paid her bills, then Breaking Dawn came out and she tried to keep the baby, and named it Renesmee Bella Stephanie.

Meyer fails to depict any sort of love in Twilight. The twisted relationship borders on abusive. Edward is controlling and manipulative, Meyer tries to spin it off as 'caring'. Bella is so passive and submissive that one wonders if she is in a coma. Every immature and idiotic choice Bella and Edward make is due to their own selfish desires, and not for love. I hope that no girl falls for a guy like Edward, he's a complete ass, and abuse doesn't have to be physical to be abuse.

i get that the way they fall in love is way to predictable but its more indulging as the story continues because of the trials they're put through to keep it together. honestly i was quite oblivious to what was going to happen because they never truely showed what was going to lead up to it. but i do have to say that i personally do not think that its the worst piece of literature ever. i believe there may be far worse pieces to be made or are made. but if a book such as the twilight series disturbs you in such a way then what literature titles can you provide for me that you do enjoy reading...?

What trials? There is no drama or suspense. Bella and Edward get everything they want with practically no effort. This series disturbs me to no end due the insane influence it has among young girls, and the horrid message it is spreading.

If you want good literature; Dune, Lord of the Rings, Perks of Being a Wallflower, The Onion Girl, Rider at the Gate, The Illustrated Man...look in a library. What Meyer wrote wasn't good or original. There are tons of vampire romances out there...she just added to the flood. If you want some good vampire writers; Bram Stoker, Anne Rice, Patricia Briggs, The Noble Dead saga...I have to stop, my post is way to long.

[veveze]

Honesty, Stepehenie Meyer is not the best writer out there and the only reason I believe she is so successful is because she wrote on a sixth grade level and marketed to teen girls who are boy-crazy and want a figure like Edward to chase after. Edward and Bell have no trials. Bella is an annoying tramp in the third book especially. And Edward is a sissy and "virtuous"--insert gag reflex. Don't get me wrong, I read them all, I just find a lot of things wrong with them. They were my easy summer reads--they were convenient when nothing else was going on in my life. So I filled it with something kind of mindless.

While Stepehenie Meyer is MOSTLY unoriginal, she does have a few original ideas that I respect. Book four mainly, but I think Breaking Dawn was a cop out at the end when Bella becomes a vampire and isn't affected by anything, doesn't thirst for anyone's blood and yada yada yada. Stephenie Meyer just didn't want to have to deal with writing that, and honestly I didn't want to have to read it. Oh well. Not the end of the world, really. She just doesn't write that well. Just felt like putting my two cents in...again.



There's a fifteen year-old girl who got pregnant with a guy named Edward due to her 'slight obesession' with these books. She was going to give the baby up, the prospective parents paid her bills, then Breaking Dawn came out and she tried to keep the baby, and named it Renesmee Bella Stephanie.


&things like that make me hate humanity.

[KittyCHAOTIC]

I probably should say that, while badly written. The storyline did appeal to me somewhat.
But I also see the point of view you do have and while most of what you say is absolutely true, there are some parts that I've found rather enjoyable.
With those being said, just be glad you didn't read the very last book in the series "Breaking Dawn".
The book itself was absolutely HORRIBLE.
There was nothing to draw the reader in.
Okay as an example and this may contain spoilers for those who havent read it.
Most of the last book is based about Bella worrying about this huge battle against the Volturi and everyone stressing about it. Alice and Jasper leave the family, Bella and Edward have a kid and most disappointing.
NO ONE DIES.

[Water-Sheerie]

With those being said, just be glad you didn't read the very last book in the series "Breaking Dawn".
The book itself was absolutely HORRIBLE.

I've heard a lot of Twi-fans complain about Breaking Dawn. There is now a divide within the Twilight fandom. Those who liked Breaking Dawn, and those who were deeply hurt and betrayed by it.

Meyer's response was a whiny little bitch-fest about how people don't understand her brilliance, angst-"I can't kill my characters it's too tragic"-angst, she has all the emotional and mental maturity of a three year-old.

There's a hero for you. A whiny writer who writes about whiny characters and everyone gets their way.

[veveze]

She was afraid to disappoint people, but if she wanted to be true to her book she should've had an actual battle. The end was a giant build up and collapse and it was so disney and gross. I blame her writing skills, and that she, herself, does not believe in her writing skills. She won't advance anywhere farther than Twilight things and The Host--and I thought Host sucked! In so many ways! Ugh, and she's making a sequel.

And supposedly she's making more Twilight-esque books with Edward and Bella as minor characters. So I'm guessing Alice and Jasper? I don't know how I feel about this. I want a Jasper book, but I don't want any of the Cullens in it AT ALL. I'm sick of the Cullens and their stupid little world.

[BurgerKueen]

Wait, new Twilight books? Good God. I was hoping she'd get sidetracked to the Host. I want someone else to write a Jasper book for her.

[veveze]

That would be the perfect solution.

[Islander]

who assured me it was better than the bible.

Hahaha. Definitely not. The Bible has some pretty damn cool stories in it.

But "Twilight" wasn't all that bad. It's not high literature. In fact, it's low literature. But it's better than most vampire fiction (which isn't saying much, because I hate vampire fiction). And I'll be seeing the movie its opening week: mainly because Catherine Hardwicke is directing, and she made a very powerful movie, also about teens, called "Thirteen."

[SynysterxTrigger]

I'm reading the book right now, and I'm four chapters til the end and I'm not getting into it at all. Most of you guys summed up what I was going to say, so I won't bother pretty much repeating.

I think the book is meant for hopeless romantics who wish they could not have their Prince Charming, but an almost 90 or 100 year old vampire to come and sweep them off their feet.

And did you know that there's a different part of the Twilight series, but in Edward's POV?

[BurgerKueen]

Yeah, it's really short though. She bitched and moaned and stopped writing when someone leaked it online.

See, if you only read Twilight, it can be a harmless little book, but when you read the entire series you slowly want to kill her with every new page. At least that's what happened to me. I was fine with it before all the other books came out and the fangirls were worshipping the Cullens.

[Water-Sheerie]

See, if you only read Twilight, it can be a harmless little book, but when you read the entire series you slowly want to kill her with every new page.

That's another reason why I can't read the other books. I already hate the first one, why add to that?

Plus I just can't get into them. Meyer kills the whole first person thing. It's chapters of reading every little mundane thing that Bella does, and every little thought about Edward.

"I got up out of bed. I was wearing blue pjs. I thought about Edward and his burning golden eyes. I took off my blue pjs and put on a blue shirt with jeans. I went downstairs. I thought about Edward and his velvet voice. My dad's house has stairs. I went to the kitchen. The kitchen has yellow curtains. I thought about Edward and his glittering chisled body. I pulled a box of granola from the cupboard. I got out a bowl and a spoon, the bowl was blue like my shirt. I thought about Edward and the brushed purple shadows that lay beneath his burning golden eyes..."

And on and on and on. The books would have been more bearable if they hadn't been written in first person. Still horrible...but less of a pain to read.

[Haggis McSpud]

Meyer said that she got the idea from the book from a vivid dream she had the night before;

"I woke up (on that June 2nd) from a very vivid dream. In my dream, two people were having an intense conversation in a meadow in the woods. One of these people was just your average girl. The other person was fantastically beautiful, sparkly, and a vampire. They were discussing the difficulties inherent in the facts that A) they were falling in love with each other while B) the vampire was particularly attracted to the scent of her blood, and was having a difficult time restraining himself from killing her immediately. I was so intrigued by the nameless couple's story that I hated the idea of forgetting it; it was the kind of dream that makes you want to call your friend and bore her with a detailed description. (Also, the vampire was just so darned good-looking, that I didn't want to lose the mental image.)

Be it truth or be it her trying to make herself seem cool and imaginative, I'm begining to dislike Meyer as a person.

[veveze]

Like I said, a wet dream that she had about a hot vampire and she's tortured humanity with it. I'm so over Twilight right now. I'm not sure I can bear to ever read another Meyer book again, I'll probably explode.

[SynysterxTrigger]

Bella's kind of annoying now that i think about it.

[Revocracy]

I once said twilight was stupid, big mistake apparently everyone in the class had a huge obsession for the book. It was scary.

[Cristo]

Meyer said that she got the idea from the book from a vivid dream she had the night before;


June 2nd is my birthday :wail:

[Revocracy]

Meyer said that she got the idea from the book from a vivid dream she had the night before;



Be it truth or be it her trying to make herself seem cool and imaginative, I'm begining to dislike Meyer as a person.
Acid leads to those "vivid dreams". That explains

[Haggis McSpud]

June 2nd is my birthday :wail:

Haha, Meyer had a sex dream on your birthday!

[Cristo]

:-/ Not a nice idea.

I'm actually very surprised that a mormon could write something so sordid and bordering on witchcraft etc. I'm sure she would have been lynched, it hasn't even received the bad press Harry Potter did.

[Haggis McSpud]

:-/ Not a nice idea.

I'm actually very surprised that a mormon could write something so sordid and bordering on witchcraft etc. I'm sure she would have been lynched, it hasn't even received the bad press Harry Potter did.

It's probably because she made the vampires sparkly. The religious people would see the Cullens' as angels rather than vampires.

[Cristo]

ANGELS THAT DRINK PEOPLE'S BLOOD AND RIP THEIR HEADS OFF.

Don't forget, the Cullens were the only ones in the book (aside from their "extended family") who don't drink human blood. There were a couple of scenes where people were killed and eaten and stuff.

[Revocracy]

ANGELS THAT DRINK PEOPLE'S BLOOD AND RIP THEIR HEADS OFF.

Don't forget, the Cullens were the only ones in the book (aside from their "extended family") who don't drink human blood. There were a couple of scenes where people were killed and eaten and stuff.
I find that extremely appealing.

[BurgerKueen]

It lasts for like two seconds since Bella gets all dizzy with the mere thought of that happening (in New Moon, when they're in Italy, and Aro is about to have a feast in the other room.)

[B33]

Sadly I read that book, I felt like I was raped by literature.
It is defiantly the worst thing I have read.
Ever.

[329don]

"I got up out of bed. I was wearing blue pjs. I thought about Edward and his burning golden eyes. I took off my blue pjs and put on a blue shirt with jeans. I went downstairs. I thought about Edward and his velvet voice. My dad's house has stairs. I went to the kitchen. The kitchen has yellow curtains. I thought about Edward and his glittering chisled body. I pulled a box of granola from the cupboard. I got out a bowl and a spoon, the bowl was blue like my shirt. I thought about Edward and the brushed purple shadows that lay beneath his burning golden eyes..."

And on and on and on. The books would have been more bearable if they hadn't been written in first person. Still horrible...but less of a pain to read.


is that really a quote from the book? I've never read the books, and a few of the people i knew read them and were excited when the new ones came out, and i wanted to get one to read. If thats a real quote from the book thank you for saving me from a slow terrible hell. I used to write like that in third grade.

[BurgerKueen]

It's not a real quote, that was sarcasm and exaggeration:indiff:

[veveze]

Sadly I read that book, I felt like I was raped by literature.
It is defiantly the worst thing I have read.
Ever.

Ouch. I feel your pain. But I wasn't raped directly, it was more like a forced consensual thing. I really didn't want to, but it kept begging and telling me how pretty I was.

Or in this case, glittery.

[Cristo]

is that really a quote from the book? I've never read the books, and a few of the people i knew read them and were excited when the new ones came out, and i wanted to get one to read. If thats a real quote from the book thank you for saving me from a slow terrible hell. I used to write like that in third grade.

Not quite, but almost.

It's like the sweet, cloying smell of burning and rotting flesh. It just completely overpowers and overwhelms you.

[SynysterxTrigger]

I thought vampires were a type of... menacing, sexy, and sly kind of creature.
Meyer makes them the epitome of an angel.

Now, to me, that doesn't make much sense, does it?

[kellykawaii]

I bought Twilight a week ago, I'm over half way through it and I'm still waiting for it to get interesting and from reading posts here I'm guessing it stays pretty much the way it's going.
I'll probably finish the book and read the others just because I hate not finishing a series once I start it but all in all I'm pretty disappointed. From all the hype I heard about it I thought it was going to be an amazing read.

[veveze]

Yeah, it's majorly overrated. I say we have a book burning, outside Meyer's house.

[SynysterxTrigger]

It'd make a great bonfire.

[Water-Sheerie]

is that really a quote from the book? I've never read the books, and a few of the people i knew read them and were excited when the new ones came out, and i wanted to get one to read. If thats a real quote from the book thank you for saving me from a slow terrible hell. I used to write like that in third grade.

Not an exact quote, but close enough. I didn't use nearly as much purple prose as Meyer dumps in her stories. Also the descriptions of Edward are the same ones Meyer uses over and over again...'purple shadows under the eyes' and all.

I don't understand that particular trait of Meyer's 'vampires'. Apparently Edward and the other sparklies develop dark purple shadows under their eyes from not feeding. The longer without food, the darker and more pronounced the shadows become...also the purple prose shifts into ultraviolet. That doesn't make sense. I'm assuming purple shadows under the eyes are bruises, bruises result from broken blood vessels....which results in bleeding, which makes that lovely purple'ish color Meyer is so infatuated with. A vampire who hasn't fed isn't going to have much blood in his/her body for bruising.

It also doesn't sound very attractive. Dark rings under the eyes are usually a sign of not enough sleep...or too much drinking. I guess while Meyer can add enough glitter to make it appear to be a beautiful trait, in real life it makes someone look sick. Actually, it makes Edward sound like a raging alcoholic, which wouldn't be a bad idea. I would read the books if that were the case.

I stared, heart pounding, chest tightening over the sight of him. Edward. His pale skin glittering in the sunlight, golden eyes burning like golden suns. Dark purple shadows like crushed gems lay beneath his eyes. Dark as the shadows of twilight. Tiny red lines crawled along the whites of his eyes, like spider-webs made of rubies, glittering like...glitter. He stumbled, graceful as a deer, mumbling in that beautiful velvet voice of his.
"Oh Edward." My voice was as soft a soft whisper.
His ruby lined golden eyes swept over me. "Wha..wahs...damn." He muttered.
"Is it my blood?" I cried, holding out my soft lily white wrist to him, almost tripping over my own feet and cracking open my head at the small movement. "Is it the overpowering sweet scent of my blood that you want to devour?"
"Pleashh...no talk about food...no food." Edward grabbed his head.
The sweet scent of his breath caressed my nose and filled my lungs. "Oh Edward, your breath." I nearly fainted from the euphoric smell.
"Peach schnappss." Edward veered away from me, glittering madly with the sunlight.
He vomited upon the emerald grass, a stream of glittering bile that made me swoon from the sheer beauty of it.

[BurgerKueen]

I also hate how she sticks in the title of the book in random places. Like in the first book Edward would say something random like "It's twilight again. The only time we're comfortable." Like what the heck, Forks doesn't get any sun and you live in a mansion in the woods anyway!

[miimii]

http://www.thetwilightsaga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=633561

[Cristo]

http://www.thetwilightsaga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=633561

Someone needs to post this thread, in that thread.

Christ look at how badly they post. They're borderline illiterate.

Vampires are often portrayed as angelic and SM tried to change up the vampire genre a bit by putting her own twist on things, it is your right not to like that but some do.

Wait, what?!

[Pieman]

I read the book because it was interestintg not because of Edward I personnally don't like the way Edward behaves at times and therfore do not want a boyfrined like him I'll stick with the one I have thank you.

Wait. Look at that sentence, then look at her name.

What?

Also, I'm joining the site to call them fucking idiots. Wish me luck.

[Cristo]

Jesus Christ, they're so horribly stupid!!

[SynysterxTrigger]

Vampires are often portrayed as angelic and SM tried to change up the vampire genre a bit by putting her own twist on things, it is your right not to like that but some do.

No. No they're not.

Jesus, is Twilight changing the original ways of vampires? I'm not big into vampires but I've had enough common sense to know they're aren't an angelic creature. I mean come on. Why would Meyer do that?

[Pieman]

I didn't think they were that retarded.

Then I went through most of their posts and replied to them.

I feel dirty.

[SynysterxTrigger]

They aren't exactly retarded for having their own opinion. They're much like us but with a different outlook on this. How do we know they're not calling us retarded?

[Cristo]

They are calling us retarded though. The difference is that they're actually retarded.

[Pieman]

Cristo has it right. They're both retarded in that they have no backing behind their support other than EDWARD IS SO CUTE OMGOMGOMG, and in the literal sense.

I've even asked for reasons why they enjoy it so much, albiet in the middle of a huge post. What did I get? Someone quoting the huge post, even though they're the only posts on the page, and them saying 'Because it's my opinion'. That's not a fucking reason, TRY AGAIN, but this time, with less retarded.

[SynysterxTrigger]

I find it weird that people have a crush on someone who's not real.

It's just like some one wanting to bang The Little Mermaid.

[BurgerKueen]

But he's a romantic 109 year old sparkly virgin:shobon:Who wouldn't want that?

And I admit I used to like him before the rest of the series came out :wail:

[Pieman]

And I got banned for:
Rude to members, insulting language, inappropriate user name
In my defence... Ok, I thought it was funny and don't have a defence.

Oh well.

[BurgerKueen]

I'm sure they're complaining behind your back about how real men are such jerks and why oh why they can't take clues from Edward instead of hating on him.:lol:

[Revocracy]

I find it weird that people have a crush on someone who's not real.

It's just like some one wanting to bang The Little Mermaid.
Do you also have a little mermaid fetish?

But he's a romantic 109 year old sparkly virginWho wouldn't want that?

And I admit I used to like him before the rest of the series came out

Do you also have a fetish for non-realistic people?

[Cristo]

Cristo has it right. They're both retarded in that they have no backing behind their support other than EDWARD IS SO CUTE OMGOMGOMG, and in the literal sense.

I've even asked for reasons why they enjoy it so much, albiet in the middle of a huge post. What did I get? Someone quoting the huge post, even though they're the only posts on the page, and them saying 'Because it's my opinion'. That's not a fucking reason, TRY AGAIN, but this time, with less retarded.

Can you give some linkage to what you posted? If you're banned from accessing the site, just check your internet History and post the url :P

[Water-Sheerie]

http://www.thetwilightsaga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=633561

My review seems to be making it's merry little way around to Twi-fan sites now. Along with my user name. There seems to be an imposter posing as me...either that or I have an evil twin. I'm hoping for the latter, as that would be pretty cool.

It is funny how freaked out the Twi-fans get. OMG...someone doesn't like Twilight! Rabble rabble rabble!

[SynysterxTrigger]

Do you also have a little mermaid fetish?

Not exactly the point I was getting at, and no.

And yeah, they seem to be getting defensive.

It seems to me, going back to the story, Edward gives me the impression he's a pedophile. I mean come on, he may be in the body of a teenager but get real. He's pretty much 100+ y/o and he's falling for a-what was she?- seventeen year old high schooler.

That's kinda....wrong. Why would he be attracted to someone of that age in the first place? Wouldn't he want someone who would be as mature as him?

[Cristo]

Wait, you didn't post that?

Haha someone from Explosm must have coped pasta'd it and posted it on that site.

Oh and I assume Solitaire Faggot is Pieman? Good on you! I loved that huge post :D

[Water-Sheerie]

Yeah, I didn't post that. Someone took the review and my user name. It's funny though.

Someone from Explosm did it? That means someone on Explosm is my evil twin!


Wouldn't he want someone who would be as mature as him?

That's the problem. Edward is not mature. I've yet to see any evidence of maturity within him and Bella. Which is ironic as Bella is supposed to be very mature and intelligent for her age, she refers to herself as a 'grown-up'. Yet she is perhaps the most immature selfish little brat I've seen in the series. She rivals her demon-spawn Resneezemae in terms of immaturity.

Case in point, Bella is almost hit by a truck driven by this guy Tyler. Tyler is, of course, shaken up over this tries to apologize to her. Bella gets annoyed, feels that he is being irritating, and tries to pretend to be asleep so that he'll go away. How very mature of her. Rather then understanding that his intentions are good and he is just trying to make amends, she rather ignore him like he isn't even a person worthy of the smallest amount of attention from her.

Of course all her attention usually revolves around Edward. Which brings me to another example. Bella wants Edward to change her into a vampire so that she can spend eternity with him. It's all about her desires, never mind that Edward has some moral issues with this, it's all about Bella. She feels that her happiness lies with Edward, and the only thing of importance is her happiness.

Edward is also follows the same route of selfishness in that he knows he is dangerous to Bella. Simply being around her has placed her in danger. Along with the danger is the fact that Edward never listens to Bella. If she says 'no', he takes it as a 'yes'. He'll bully her into doing something, and if that fails, he'll take matters into his hands. It's all about him and what makes him happy.

Neither of them have the maturity and empathy to think of others besides themselves. Even when it comes to their so-called 'epic love' it's never about love. It's about Bella getting what Bella wants, and Edward getting what Edward wants. They have the minds of 12 year-olds...and even that's not fair to say as I've known some 12 year-olds who were far more mature then those two brats.

[SynysterxTrigger]

Wait, you didn't post that?

Haha someone from Explosm must have coped pasta'd it and posted it on that site.

Post what? I'm lost.

You have a point though about the maturity thing. My English teacher and I were discussing this. She said something like "I find it really creepy that Edward is like this..80 year old guy and he's falling in love with a seventeen year old. Wouldn't he want someone as mature as him?" She probably meant mature as in mentally.

And I don't know if this is true, but I overheard something about werewolves in other parts of the series?

[Water-Sheerie]

Someone took my review and user name and posted on the Twi-fan site. It's another Water-Sheerie, albeit a younger one who might be better looking as well.

There are were-wolves, but at the very end of the series in a brilliant Meyer-esque plot twist you find out that they aren't were-wolves, but rather shape-shifters that turn into wolves. Also the were-wolves/not were-wolves imprint on their true-loves. Yes, imprinting, like what ducklings do. Meyer shows an astounding lack of basic biology knowledge.

Also a were-wolf/not were-wolf does not choose who he/she imprints on and can imprint on anyone...of any age. Jacob imprints on Bella's baby...another were-wolf/not were-wolf imprints on a three-year old and is waiting for her to grow up.

Two older men hanging around these baby girls, waiting for them to get old enough to fuck. Classic Meyer.

[Cristo]

I just posted in the topic. I'm Cristo on there, the same as here.

Oh and Pieman, I didn't mean to call you a galvanising douchebag out to troll ^_^

[SynysterxTrigger]

Let me guess, Meyer portrays these "not were-wolves" as angelic too?

Haha.

[Cristo]

Nah, she portrays them as whiney douches.

[SynysterxTrigger]

Ah, just like every other character in the story. Specially Bella.

Is there really any difference between characters at all besides appearance?

[miimii]

I posted it there, sorreh, I didn't want to take credit or anything for it which is why I used the same username. I just thought it was a funny review and love to see those angry kids reactions.
You can have the password if you want to make some rebuttals.

[veveze]

That thread made me want to hurt myself. For several reasons.

[Water-Sheerie]

I posted it there, sorreh, I didn't want to take credit or anything for it which is why I used the same username. I just thought it was a funny review and love to see those angry kids reactions.
You can have the password if you want to make some rebuttals.

It's alright, I'm not upset or pissed off. It's funny how angry the Twi-fans get and how easy it is to tweak them.

I did try to sign up to make rebuttals, and then realized how futile it would be. Twi-fans seem impervious to logic, reason, and basic debating in general.

I'm a little disappointed to see that you are not my evil twin. I've been holding out on the hope of an evil twin since I was eight. Even a mildly mischievous twin would be acceptable.

[The Muffin Man]

Thank you. For the record, my younger sister is also a huge fan. She is also above average in reading for her age, so I'm not inclined to believe that only idiots like the books. She found the reveiw humorous as well. Also, I'm willing to say that there are worse books out ther. The Inheritance series by Paolini is probably worse...for the sheer fact that he blatantly plagarizes classic works, then tries to pass it off as his own. At least, Stephanie Meyer is not stealing from other writers.

I had to sit through an entire spanish 3 period listening to the girls behind me do a female equivalent of a circle jerk about the movie coming out. They have countdowns and shit. What horrifies me is that one of them is a fellow AP english student. She actually has birlliant taste in literature and for some reason still loves this book.

I think it just embodies what females desire out of a relationship, someone to completely devote their lives to them and also be rich and important so they don't have to do shit.

However, I really enjoy the Inheritance series. No, its not original. Anything with Dwarves, Elves, and Dragons isn't. I dislike the sappy nature of this whole "Ancient Language" bullshit. Who the fuck names a language "Ancient"? However, he is a new writer and I think he can actually write. It's nothing original in terms of fantasy, but I do like the way he goes about progress of events. The first 2 books were wildly unoriginal while the newest one I am currently reading has actually delved and expanded upon the events.

Paolini has a future as a writer, he just needs to get started.

[Haggis McSpud]

Quote from some fangirl called "FutureMrs.CullenofUSA"

Who wrote this forum? Cause whoever it is must b insane. not the good Robaholic or Edward or jacob or Jasper lover, the bad kind. the HATER! undesireable no.1 or : She who must not b named. i HATE hoa these people enter a place 4 fans and fill it w\ a buch of crap abt hating it.

Can anyone decipher what this means? Whats a "Robaholic"?

[BurgerKueen]

Rob is Robert Pattinson, the actor who plays Edward in the movie. Poor guy.:smile: I bet he didn't know what he was getting into when he accepted the role.

[veveze]

I, personally, think the movie was a mistake. Pattinson will probably get kidnapped and tortured by his fanbase, now. I don't even think he's that attractive.

[Haggis McSpud]

Ok, so we're having a debate about Twilight on that forum now (feel free to join) and I began the debate by summarizing all the points we've discussed here into one post;

For the Anti - Twilights our opening statement is the points made in the review by Water-Sherrie. However, to break down the points made;

Twilight is a bland, typical teenage romance novel with no real depth, it is only a simple, mildly entertaining read and doesn't deserve the hype it gets from the media and teenage girls.
Also, Meyer's writing style is childishly under developed, writing in first person means that all the characters are plain and have no depth or personalty. Even the main character, Bella, seems very typical with no real traits to make her original. In fact, every novel in the series follows the same pattern; "I got up out of bed. I was wearing blue pjs. I thought about Edward and his burning golden eyes. I took off my blue pjs and put on a blue shirt with jeans. I went downstairs. I thought about Edward and his velvet voice. My dad's house has stairs. I went to the kitchen. The kitchen has yellow curtains. I thought about Edward and his glittering chiseled body. I pulled a box of granola from the cupboard. I got out a bowl and a spoon, the bowl was blue like my shirt. I thought about Edward and the brushed purple shadows that lay beneath his burning golden eyes..." (I stole this of someone else by the way but it makes a valid point).
However, what I find most insulting about the book is that it's not recognized as a typical girly romance novel, entertaining yet simple; an easy read. But that it's actually being compared to books like the Harry Potter novels which have been described as modern literary classics. Twilight is not, and never will be a classic, it will, at best, be remembered as the book with all the sparkly vampires.

The response I got to this argument;

For the TRUTH telling side, Twilight is GREAT! It has Actoin, Danger, Dovotion, Love, plot twists and a sexy vamp named Edward Cullen. the Character do have personality. In MN, Bella's pain is extremely significant. Edward's personality is Extremely captivating. Jacob can make us all smile. Twilight WILL be a classic some day! It is 10 times better than Eragon, 8 times better than Narnia and 6 times Better than Harry Potter. All of thaose Are GOOD books! and Twilight beats them all! The Twilight lovers Will win this debate, so I accept your surrender.

Should we just give up trying to negotiate with these people?

[BurgerKueen]

By MN, does she mean New Moon?:ahe: Plot twists my ass. They all follow the same outline:

1) Some random introduction stuff where in the later series Meyer summarizes what had happened in the previous books as if we didn't know already.
2) Edward and Bella get all lovey dovey.
3) Someone decides to kill Bella in the last three chapters.
4) Edward saves the day.

Now that's what I call actoin and danger.


Twilight WILL be forgotten by the time all these teens become 20. All the movies should be done by then and a new fad will fill the gap. We should just give them like 8 years to grow up instead of trying to argue.

[Haggis McSpud]

Aww shucks! I got banned! The reason was "Being rude in that manner won't be tolerated" which is silly because the only people I insulted where the stupid posters and the moderators! Could someone avenge my death/ ban please?

[Cristo]

I will do my best!

Tomorrow evening, can't be bothered now. I'm thinking of spamming the link to this thread ^_^

[BurgerKueen]

One of us needs to pretend to be a cute guy who loved Twilight and try to become a mod by winning their hearts:ahe:

[Haggis McSpud]

I think we should post the link to this thread, I want to argue and insult them again!

[Pieman]

Once I get banned on my Pieman account, you can. I don't want it to be banned for multi-accounts to evade a ban. I want to be banned for calling them all retarded.

And if you ever read this, FutureMrs.CullenofUSA, you're a whore.

[miimii]

Who wrote this forum? Cause whoever it is must b insane. not the good Robaholic or Edward or jacob or Jasper lover, the bad kind. the HATER! undesireable no.1 or : She who must not b named. i HATE hoa these people enter a place 4 fans and fill it w\ a buch of crap abt hating it.

my thoughts cant sink in for the fact that I wasted precious time reading that crap.

sorry, i know anyone can voice their opinion, but its just so below the belt. think of what will twilight-lovers (including me) and SM,of course, will feel.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

[BurgerKueen]

Who wrote this forum? Think of what SM will feel!!


And I just realized her initials also stand for SadoMasochism. Bella's love for freaky creatures and abusive relationships makes sense now:heya:

[miimii]

Thank you Water-Sheerie for writing that awesome review and Haggis for making people cry over the internet.

[BurgerKueen]

I love the ads we get for this thread. I so want to get a hoodie that says "I kissed a vampire and I liked it":hmm: I'd seen 12 year olds wearing t-shirts with the movie poster on them but this is even better.

[Cristo]

Who wrote this forum? Think of what SM will feel!!


And I just realized her initials also stand for SadoMasochism. Bella's love for freaky creatures and abusive relationships makes sense now:heya:

I think Stephanie Meyer is a lot smarter than we give her credit for. This is all one giant hoax! She's not serious about Twilight she's actually written something so bad, just to see if people could ever be stupid enough to fully enjoy it.

[SynysterxTrigger]

Should we just give up trying to negotiate with these people?

I say let them have their opinions. We all know what side is more logical. :nerd:

[Haggis McSpud]

Thank you Water-Sheerie for writing that awesome review and Haggis for making people cry over the internet.

You're welcome. Making that one girl cry made my day, telling off one of the mod's for atrocious spelling made my entire week!

Also, is there anyway around this ban? Can I make a new account or something? It's ok if I can't, one of the mod's was a silly billy and unwittingly gave me her e mail addy. She's so nice :hmm:

[SynysterxTrigger]

You actually made a girl cry?

[Haggis McSpud]

You actually made a girl cry?

Apparently, some girl replied to me saying that her friend burst into tears when she read all the horrible stuff I wrote. :biggrin:

[SynysterxTrigger]

Ha! Props to you.

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

[BurgerKueen]

I was gonna sign up but it keeps telling me the forum has achieved the maximum number of online users. Whoa.

[Haggis McSpud]

I was gonna sign up but it keeps telling me the forum has achieved the maximum number of online users. Whoa.

Yeah, I don't think the forum can handle the amount of users it has, so it does that a lot. Wait 5 minutes and try again.

[Water-Sheerie]

Thank you Water-Sheerie for writing that awesome review and Haggis for making people cry over the internet.

I aim to please. :)

Unless it's a Twi-fan. In that case my aim is more along the lines of humoring myself at the expense of morons.

I love how the little Twi-fans feel that an opposing opinion on their precious book is on level with a Nazi death-camp. Pain, suffering, angst, and my God what will SM think? She might throw another bitch-fest and decide to postpone the release of another ghastly book.

If that's supposed to stop me, it's a failed tactic. I actually want to see if I can insult SM badly enough that she'll stop writing books.

[veveze]

I'm content knowing there are twilight fans across the world crying their eyes out because of this thread. Good work Haggis!

[Cristo]

Apparently, some girl replied to me saying that her friend burst into tears when she read all the horrible stuff I wrote. :biggrin:

That's absolutely brilliant! Well done, you're my hero <3

[miimii]

Also, is there anyway around this ban? Can I make a new account or something?

You need to delete your cookies but I don't think you can actually log out when you're banned.

1. Go to the forum
2. In the address bar of your BROWSER put
javascript:alert(document.cookie);
A whole bunch of shit should come up in an alert box
javascript:document.cookie='';
Nothing should happen, then again
javascript:alert(document.cookie);
An empty alert box should show
3. Refresh the page and you should be able to make another account, unless it was an IP ban then you'll need to use a proxy.

[Ziggy St. Valentine]

I wonder why miimii knows so much about getting around bans:indiff:

[miimii]

Technically it's not getting around a ban because the ban is only meant for the Haggis account, he is trying to make a new one. SIR.

[Ziggy St. Valentine]

Same thing dipshit.

[Pieman]

Hey guys! I found intelligent person on a Twilight forum! Kasandra!

Of course, as soon as she was outed as someone with an IQ above the Twilight norm (Which I believe is negative 12), she was flamed to hell by an idiot. An idiot who says that Twilight will be a classic, and kids are proud to say they liked Twilight.

Yeah.

[veveze]

I was in a tiny room with a girl who was rereading Eclipse for the billionth time tonight, and she kept going on about how good it was and how her friend she read them. I wanted to flame her, but I needed to get my radio package done, so I shut up.

But she is so the type of girl who would post all over those forums. They make me sick.

[Inseln]

So anyway. I think I've just slowly and fatally poisonsed myself.

So anyway. This link, right here, first post, is my friend. (http://www.thetwilightsaga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=647095#p647095)

Also quote from Steph M. herself about Midnight Sun:

So where does this leave Midnight Sun? My first feeling was that there was no way to continue. Writing isn't like math; in math, two plus two always equals four no matter what your mood is like. With writing, the way you feel changes everything. If I tried to write Midnight Sun now, in my current frame of mind, James would probably win and all the Cullens would die, which wouldn't dovetail too well with the original story. In any case, I feel too sad about what has happened to continue working on Midnight Sun, and so it is on hold indefinitely.


She should have continued writing. :facts:

[Cristo]

So anyway. I think I've just slowly and fatally poisonsed myself.



You're the best!

I was going to go do that shit, like make a new account and post how I'm this sensitive 18 year old guy who adored the books and then post a couple of pictures of some cute guy off google and say it was me and then all the Tweenies would be "liek omg ure like the second best ting to Eddie cullen <333", and then post the link to this thread and say how mean we all are!!

(that idea is courtesy of BurgerKueen, sorry I didn't get to put it in action)

[BurgerKueen]

It says "Topic closed". They didn't even let anyone reply.:emo:

Cristo you should still do that. Real life keeps getting in the way with my plans of doing that.:jab:

[Haggis McSpud]

You need to delete your cookies but I don't think you can actually log out when you're banned.

1. Go to the forum
2. In the address bar of your BROWSER put
javascript:alert(document.cookie);
A whole bunch of shit should come up in an alert box
javascript:document.cookie='';
Nothing should happen, then again
javascript:alert(document.cookie);
An empty alert box should show
3. Refresh the page and you should be able to make another account, unless it was an IP ban then you'll need to use a proxy.

Oh wow, cool, thanks! I don't really want to post there anyone though, the legend of Haggis has made it's mark there. I just want to view the aftermath and the result of everyone else's trolling :lol:

[Cristo]

It says "Topic closed". They didn't even let anyone reply.:emo:

Cristo you should still do that. Real life keeps getting in the way with my plans of doing that.:jab:

Ok! I'll do it when I can be bothered ^_^

[Haggis McSpud]

O.K, I just realised I can get on the site to lurk by using another web browser! :lol:
Holy crap! Fangirl revolution! It's nice to see that some of them actually have brains and can agree with some of our points whilst still saying why they like the book. Also, who posted the Explosm thread?