The Ultimate Explosm Mix Tap Project #2: Punk Rock

[Quadros]

Well hey there I've got a new idea. Lets put our punk heads together and create the greatest Punk/Punk Rock mix tape EVAR! You know you want to and who knows, you might, just MIGHT learn something about the genre you didn't know before.

THERE ARE RULES.

1) Only 1 song per band.

2) You have to be able to find the songs on iTunes. I don't care how awesome your mate's garage band are, if we can't get the music we can't put it on the tape can we?

3) This is a thread for the creation of a punk mix tape. If you think punk is dead, go say it somewhere else. Basra, for example. Or a jet engine.

4) NO DECLINE. Yes, it IS Punk's Bohemian Rhapsody. It's also 18 minutes long.

I'll get the ball rolling by proposing a 10 Song List. Then you guys post your own and we come to some kind of agreement about the eventual composition.

1. The Press Corpse- Anti-Flag
2. King Leopold's Ghost- Adequate Seven
3. Friends of the Enemy- No Use for a Name
4. Dinosaurs Will Die- NoFX
5. Fuck Authority- Pennywise
6. Back to the Motor League- Propaghandi
7. State of the Union- Rise Against
8. To the World- Strike Anywhere
9. My Girlfriend's Dead- The Vandals
10. Raum der Zeit- WIZO

Yeah I know there's no old school stuff here. And I don't care.

[Tweek]

1. The Clash - White Riot or London Calling
2. Bad Brains - I Against I
3. The Damned - New Rose
4. The Ramones - Blitzkrieg Bop
5. The Exploited - Punks Not Dead or I Believe In Anarchy

[TheHighwaySong]

Dead Kennedys - Nazi Punks Fuck Off
Bad Religion - Against the Grain
Dropkick Murphys- Never Alone
Attaque 77- Buenos Aires en Llamas

[fabz]

I'd like to suggest TimeBomb by Rancid. It's my favorite punk song.

[MSB]

1. Ramones - Psychotherapy
2. The Riverdales - Wanna Be Alright
3. Rise Against - The Good Left Undone
4. Social Distortion - Cold Feelings
5. Sex Pistols - Anarchy In The UK
6. Bad Religion - Slumber
7. Chixdiggit - I Wanna Hump You
8. Against Me - Don't Lose Touch
9. The Clash - White Riot
10. Dropkick Murphys - The State Of Massachusetts

[Android]

This is a great idea Quadros, but I think having a different thread for each genre is going to get a bit excessive. Maybe just make one thread of mix tape suggestions encompassing all genres, and then have people place their choices under the subtitle: Punk, Metal, Rock etc.

[Antisaint]

1. Know Your Rights - The Clash
2. Captain Kelly's Kitchen - Dropkick Murphys
3. Thrash Unreal - Against Me!
4. Dumpweed - blink-182
5. Basket Case - Green Day
6. Ready to Fall - Rise Against
7. The Bitter End or All Messed Up - Sum 41

[Profane Methane]

1. Straight Edge - Minor Threat
2. Judy is a Punk - The Ramones
3. Punk Is Dead - Crass
4. Don't Need It - Bad Brains
5. My War - Black Flag
6. English Civil War - The Clash
7. I Love Hardcore Boys - Limp Wrist
8. Holiday In Cambodia - Dead Kennedys
9. Riot In the streets - Circle Jerks
10. New Rose - The Damned

[emokid72]

1. AFI -Third Season
2. Refused - Summerholidays vs. Punkrountine
3. Comeback Kid - Die Tonight
4. Cancer Bats - Shillelagh
5. The Blood Brothers - Mutiny on the Ark of the Blood Brothers
6. At the Drive In - Sleepwalk Capsules
7. Against Me! - Thrash Unreal
8. Aiden - I Set My Friends On Fire
9. Blink 182 - Josie
10. Alexisonfire - Waterwings (and other poolside faux pas)

[Audioslave]

Where Are The Snowdens of Yesteryear - I Was A Spy (not on ITunes, but just msg me and I'll send it to ya)

[Android]

1. Ace of Spades - Motorhead - They are debatable as punk, though Lemmy always said he identified with punk more than metal. Excellent song no matter which genre.
2. London Calling - The Clash
3. What do I get? - The Buzzcocks
4. Sex Pistols - either the generic Anarchy in the UK, or Pretty Vacant, Problem, Holiday in the Sun. Take your pick, they are all great.
5. Taking Retards to the Zoo - The Dead Milkmen
6. New Noise - Refused
7. Gut Feeling/(Slap Your Mammy) - Devo - Check out their first album, it's great.
8. Beat on the Brat - The Ramones
9. Scissor Man - XTC
10. Tommy Gun - The Clash

[alrightDARLING]

Try Charlotte, Funeral for Yesterday and/or Spit by Kittie.

[Rui]

Dead Kennedys - Holiday In Cambodia
NoFX - Bob
The Clash - I Fought The Law
The Ramones - Psychotherapy
Sex Pistols - Pretty Vacant

[Demoir]

You need :
Bad Religion - Either Epiphany or Infected, take your pic.

[Quadros]

1. AFI -Third Season
2. Refused - Summerholidays vs. Punkrountine
3. Comeback Kid - Die Tonight
4. Cancer Bats - Shillelagh
5. The Blood Brothers - Mutiny on the Ark of the Blood Brothers
6. At the Drive In - Sleepwalk Capsules
7. Against Me! - Thrash Unreal
8. Aiden - I Set My Friends On Fire
9. Blink 182 - Josie
10. Alexisonfire - Waterwings (and other poolside faux pas)

That's not punk, dumbass.

[Quadros]

Ok, we've had a load of suggestions, and the same bands keep popping up. Let's make a list of 15 bands and once we have that, we'll pick a song from each of them.

Feel free to debate and amend this, it's just a concept list;

The Clash
Dead Kennedys
Rise Against
Bad Religion
The Ramones
Sex Pistols
Dropkick Murphys
NoFX

Those eight bands were mentioned by more than one person, and i guess they're undisputable. The other seven are much more contentious, or were only named by one person.

Anti-Flag
Rancid
At The Drive-In (named by about three people, but their definition of punk seems innaccurate)
Blink 182 (named by about three people, but their definition of punk seems innaccurate)
Black Flag
Against Me!
Bad Brains

[Tempest]

Blink 182 (named by about three people, but their definition of punk seems innaccurate)

I'm hoping this means that derivatives like pop punk and emo punk aren't allowed, then?

Anyway, since we're just naming bands for now:
The Fall of Troy
Black Flag
Suicidal Tendencies

I'd also like to state that I'm incredibly disappointed by the lack of The Offspring in this thread, and as such have bolded them for emphasis purposes. Also, only one mention of Social D? For shame.

[Quadros]

Yeah, this is a thread for the core punk and punk rock bands. Pop Punk and Emo Punk are broad enough genres to warrant mix tapes of their own in the future. Maybe.

[Ox]

Some of my favourite punk tunes:

(Excluding overly "pop" tunes, as well as some bands and artists as they have already been mentioned)

Fall Apart by 1208
The Getaway by Ten Foot Pole
Stupid Kid or 100 Stories by Alkaline Trio
Think the World by All
The Ex by Billy Talent
Warpath by Bombshell Rocks
Kids and Heroes or Lean on Sheena or Anchors Aweigh by Bouncing Souls
I am a Reverant by The Distillers
Paper Thin or Trusty Chords by Hot Water Music
Key to the City by The Lawrence Arms
Fox or Penguins & Polar Bears or Bowmore by Millencolin
Lose Another Friend by No Fun At All
Disconnect, Disconnect by Osker
Turning Japanese by The Vapors

As for the final composition, I guess it makes sense to have a mix of old school (Clash, Sex Pistols, etc) and new style punk..

[innerearth]

I'm hoping this means that derivatives like pop punk and emo punk aren't allowed, then?


I'd also like to state that I'm incredibly disappointed by the lack of The Offspring in this thread, and as such have bolded them for emphasis purposes. Also, only one mention of Social D? For shame.

Well you’re being kind of hypocritical. The Offspring is pop punk.
I’m sorry but any one, who writes a song about being pretty fly for white guy. Isn’t to punk Rock. They had one decent album a long time ago, the rest were junk.

For the bands, I would say add Minor Threat.

[Ox]

The Offspring are too heavy to be considered pop punk in my opinion. They did one poppy song, which I'm pretty sure was a piss-take. Americana is a great album. Have You Ever and Staring at the Sun are not pop punk tunes.

[angrymeatball]

1. Holiday In The Sun- The Sex Pistols
2. White Riot- The Clash
3. Orgasm Addict- Buzzcocks
4. Fuck The Kells or Seven- Vagiant
5. Stupid Kid- Alkaline Trio (not sure if they're considered punk/punk rock' but they're really good)


That's my list. :D

[Tempest]

Well you’re being kind of hypocritical. The Offspring is pop punk.
I’m sorry but any one, who writes a song about being pretty fly for white guy. Isn’t to punk Rock. They had one decent album a long time ago, the rest were junk.

For the bands, I would say add Minor Threat.

Umm.. Yeah. Offspring are nowhere near Pop Punk. If you think that Offspring is pop punk you probably also think Sex Pistols are pop punk. And if you think that, you're wrong, sorry. Pretty Fly For a White Guy is a satirical song about the population of people who listen to certain types of music (read: rap) just because it makes them cool. That's pretty much what punk is all ABOUT, is songs like that. Just because a song has the same basic instrumentals as whatever you would consider "pop punk" doesn't make it pop punk.

[Quadros]

I would still stick them in the Pop Punk catagory for Conspiracy of One. It's a pop punk record. Americana is as well, it's pop punk, and that doesn't take anything away from them, they're just in a defferent genre to the one we're discussing. Sure they got a little bit heavier in Splinter, but the also got a lot shitter.

[Tweek]

I give my support for the inclusion of the following bands - Dead Kennedys, Bad Religion, Dropkick Murphys, Crass and The Buzzcocks.

[Hats of!]

I don't normally listen to Punk, so I only have two suggestions.
1. Lost in the Supermarket - The Clash
And
2. Horses - Patti Smith

[innerearth]

Umm.. Yeah. Offspring are nowhere near Pop Punk. If you think that Offspring is pop punk you probably also think Sex Pistols are pop punk. And if you think that, you're wrong, sorry. Pretty Fly For a White Guy is a satirical song about the population of people who listen to certain types of music (read: rap) just because it makes them cool. That's pretty much what punk is all ABOUT, is songs like that. Just because a song has the same basic instrumentals as whatever you would consider "pop punk" doesn't make it pop punk.

You’re not going to convince me that Offspring isn’t pop punk. They sound nothing like the sex pistols so I don’t know where that come from, but lets just agree to disagree.

[gaschamber101]

Toy Dolls - My wifes a Psychopath

[Tweek]

Mix Master Quadros has spoken, The Offspring are classified as pop punk for the purpose of this thread.

[Quadros]

That's not how it works but ok. Also Innerearth punk's moved on from the 70s, turns out. Don't use the Sex Pistols as the judgement for what's punk and what's not, because among other things they were crap.

[innerearth]

That's not how it works but ok. Also Innerearth punk's moved on from the 70s, turns out. Don't use the Sex Pistols as the judgement for what's punk and what's not, because among other things they were crap.
When did I use sex pistols as judgment? I was commenting on Tempest's comparison of the two.

[GSOM]

The Damned - Neat Neat Neat
Violent Femmes - Blister In The Sun
Patti Smith - Gloria
Television - Marquee Moon
UK Subs - Shes Not There
Bad Religion - I Want To Conquer The World
Fugazi - Repeater
Social Distortion - Mommie's Little Monster
Iggy Pop/Stooges - Search And Destroy
Gogol Bordello - 60 Revolutions (Gypsy Punk)
Talking Heads - Psycho Killer
The Offspring - Tehran (You can check this one and its not pop Punk)
The Descendents - Hope(Maybe a little poppy, but early pop punk)
Adolescents - Kids of the Black Hole
Agent Orange - Blood Stains
Agnostic Front - Hypocrisy
TSOL - Sounds of Laughter
Flipper - Ha Ha Ha
The Misfits - American Nightmare
Meat Puppets - Oh Me

[Android]

That's not how it works but ok. Also Innerearth punk's moved on from the 70s, turns out. Don't use the Sex Pistols as the judgement for what's punk and what's not, because among other things they were crap.

Quadros don't be an idiot. Whether or not you like the Sex Pistols is irrelevant, they still had an impact on the genre regardless if you choose to admit it or not. I always thought of it as The Ramones were responsible for the sound and some of the look, but the image and attitude are on a whole Pistols attributes. Then again this debate has been raging on in the punk community for decades now.

[Quadros]

What I'm trying to say is that the the Offspring are basically a 90s band and the sex pistols are a 70s band. The sound of punk has evolved and changed and were entirely different in the corrosponding decades. They did have an impact, and an important influence, but not AS important as most people make out. They're not THE Punk band, they're A punk band, and inferior to most of their contempories, in my opinion. They're ridiculously over-rated. They certainly deserve a place on the cd, but they shouldn't be used as a template fro what does and what does not constitute punk.

[Awsumerthanyou]

Adolescents, Gorilla Biscuits, Guttermouth, Germs, The Circle Jerks, Misfits, Stiff Little Fingers, Black Flag, The Vandals, The Casualties, The Unseen, AFI (not the new emo shit).

Quadros, Are you going to compile a list of punk bands and then let us decide on one song for each? I'm a little confused.

[Quadros]

we're compiling a list of 15 band that definately should have a song in the CD, then picking a song for each band. How ever there may be genre-spanning bands that do a particularly good punk sonk (*cough*Adequate Seven*cough*) So it's fairly open. I'm not 'in charge' on the thread, it's a collective effort.

[Android]

What I'm trying to say is that the the Offspring are basically a 90s band and the sex pistols are a 70s band. The sound of punk has evolved and changed and were entirely different in the corrosponding decades. They did have an impact, and an important influence, but not AS important as most people make out. They're not THE Punk band, they're A punk band, and inferior to most of their contempories, in my opinion. They're ridiculously over-rated. They certainly deserve a place on the cd, but they shouldn't be used as a template fro what does and what does not constitute punk.

Ah well when you put it that way, I agree. My apologies for misunderstanding where you were coming from. And on that note:

Offspring haven't made a decent album since Smash, but I don't even know that I would call them Pop Punk. I mean when I think about PP I think Blink 182 and that ilk. What to call the Offspring is a bit difficult, if anything i'd drop the punk from their label and simply call them Pop.

EDIT: Apparently we aren't the only ones debating this, I found this (http://www.offspring.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-469.html) thread where they are discussing what to define Offspring as.

[innerearth]

How about we forget that the Offspring ever existed and get back to the punk rock stuff.
Sorry I sent the thread into a tangle.

[Quadros]

Ah well when you put it that way, I agree. My apologies for misunderstanding where you were coming from. And on that note:

Offspring haven't made a decent album since Smash, but I don't even know that I would call them Pop Punk. I mean when I think about PP I think Blink 182 and that ilk. What to call the Offspring is a bit difficult, if anything i'd drop the punk from their label and simply call them Pop.

EDIT: Apparently we aren't the only ones debating this, I found this (http://www.offspring.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-469.html) thread where they are discussing what to define Offspring as.

They're a band between genres, but all their main hits (which are the way the band present their image, remember) have been their pop punk songs. She's got issues, Original Prankster, Want You Bad, they're not punk compared to bands like N0FX and Anti-Flag, and those songs are more similar to the work of Pop Punk bands. They're such a diverse band that some of their songs could be included on this tape I guess, especially in light of what i said earlier. I'd say 'The Kids Aren't Alright' is their best punk song. that's a bit cliched I know, but hey there must be a reason for it being th obvious choice, right?

[M3G4N]

dead kennedys - holiday in cambodia
the clash - london calling
bad brains - pay to cum
black flag - six pack
operation ivy - yellin' in my ear
the ramones - beat on the brat
minor threat- white minority
nofx - dinosaurs will die


.... eh i tried.. :/

[NVM]

They're a band between genres, but all their main hits (which are the way the band present their image, remember) have been their pop punk songs. She's got issues, Original Prankster, Want You Bad, they're not punk compared to bands like N0FX and Anti-Flag, and those songs are more similar to the work of Pop Punk bands. They're such a diverse band that some of their songs could be included on this tape I guess, especially in light of what i said earlier. I'd say 'The Kids Aren't Alright' is their best punk song. that's a bit cliched I know, but hey there must be a reason for it being th obvious choice, right?

Anti-Flag is pretty Pop-ish, I never really listened to The Offspring, but Anti Flag(especially For Blood and Empire). They may not be as blatantly Poppy like Blink 182 or Green Day, but I think if they are to be included the Offspring should be too.

[GSOM]

Anti-Flag is completely Poppy. I don't think you should throw The Offspring's first release in the Pop Punk category unless you've given it a listen. We need more Agent Orange!!! And Bad Religion, the longest running Hardcore Punk band!

[Profane Methane]

But theres so many more better Hardcore punk bands out there.

[GSOM]

I know, I'm just shouting out their slogans! They definately deserve a spot on a Punk list like this though.

[Awsumerthanyou]

Anti-Flag is most definitely punk. You cannot put the fact that their singer has a higher-pitched voice than the singers of most punk bands over the fact that almost everything else about their music is punk.

[Tweek]

Anti-Flag piss me off but I suppose I can agree.
And I agree with GSOM.

[Awsumerthanyou]

I agree that the Offspring can be classified as punk, but if this is a mixtape of only 15 bands, they would be taking up a spot that could be better filled.

[GSOM]

What do you guys think of Fugazi being on the list? I can see an arguement that they aren't Punk coming, but I'd put them in the Punk Genre if I had to place them somewhere.
If not, then I guess an Alternative/Indie list could be developed?

[Awsumerthanyou]

I'd classify Fugazi as punk, but again, there are definitely 15 other bands more deserving of a slot.

[Profane Methane]

Personally I don't believe Fugazi are punk, obviously they have punk elements but like pop punk, they are not full on punk music.

[Quadros]

Anti-Flag is pretty Pop-ish, I never really listened to The Offspring, but Anti Flag(especially For Blood and Empire). They may not be as blatantly Poppy like Blink 182 or Green Day, but I think if they are to be included the Offspring should be too.

I'd go as far as to say Anti Flag are the flagship punk band of of the moment. Apart from 1 Trillion Doller$ For Blood and Empire is a solid punk album, and yeah, sometimes bands make mistakes. Remember St Anger? For Blood And Empire is still a punk album, and a great one at that. Apart from 1 Trillion Doller$, which I hate with a fiery fucking passion. ATY's right, the fact that the guy's voice is high shouldn't resign Anti-Flag to Pop punk, unrefined vocals are one of the main definitively punk charateristics a band can have.

[iGavin]

1.The Scorpions-Rock You Like A Hurricane
2.The Ramones-Bonzo Goes To Bitzburg (My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down)
3.Priestess-Lay Down
4.Blue Collar Special-Don't Wait
5.Autopilot Off-Clockworks

I'll probably edit this and add a few more when I find some good punk rock ones. Most of this is old skool rock.

[Android]

I could be wrong but I believe The Scorpions are 80's Hair Metal, not Punk Rock.

[Awsumerthanyou]

1.The Scorpions-Rock You Like A Hurricane
2.The Ramones-Bonzo Goes To Bitzburg (My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down)
3.Priestess-Lay Down
4.Blue Collar Special-Don't Wait
5.Autopilot Off-Clockworks

I'll probably edit this and add a few more when I find some good punk rock ones. Most of this is old skool rock.
Are you retarded? There's about one Punk song on that list.

[GSOM]

The Adicts - Tango
Suicidal Tendencies - Institutionalized
7 Seconds - Trust
Husker Du - Everything Falls Apart
Gray Matter - Burn No Bridges

[Mdotcooley]

1. Alkaline Trio - Stupid Kid
2. Rise Against - Life Less Frightening
3. Senses Fail - Let it Enfold you
4. Thrice - Artist and the Ambulance
5. Bad Religion - Sorrow
6. A.F.I. I wanna Get a mowhawk but my mom wont let me
7. Avoid One Thing - Lean on Sheena
8. Blink 182 - Dammit
9. Green Day - Welcome to Paradise
10. NOFX - Bob
11. Against Me - Miami

Some of these bands are now what you would call "pop-punk" but their influence cannot be discounted in the punk rock genre of today this forum really needs a decade attatched to it because punk rock is forever changing. it can be summed up in a quote from Matt Skiba:

"Punk rock is like Joan Rivers. In an ongoing quest for eternal youth, it often tears at the flesh of its own face, pushing and prodding and tightening and twisting until what emerges is a boring old monster that, somehow, everyone is OK with looking at."

[Quadros]

1. Alkaline Trio - Stupid Kid
2. Rise Against - Life Less Frightening
3. Senses Fail - Let it Enfold you
4. Thrice - Artist and the Ambulance
5. Bad Religion - Sorrow
6. A.F.I. I wanna Get a mowhawk but my mom wont let me
7. Avoid One Thing - Lean on Sheena
8. Blink 182 - Dammit
9. Green Day - Welcome to Paradise
10. NOFX - Bob
11. Against Me - Miami

Some of these bands are now what you would call "pop-punk" but their influence cannot be discounted in the punk rock genre of today this forum really needs a decade attatched to it because punk rock is forever changing. it can be summed up in a quote from Matt Skiba:

"Punk rock is like Joan Rivers. In an ongoing quest for eternal youth, it often tears at the flesh of its own face, pushing and prodding and tightening and twisting until what emerges is a boring old monster that, somehow, everyone is OK with looking at."

Goodbye. I think punk can be summed up in a quote from Quadros:

That's not punk, :gtfo:.

[Awsumerthanyou]

My list of 15:
1.Sex Pistols
2.Ramones
3.Dead Kennedys
4.Anti-Flag
5.Bad Religion
6.NOFX
7.The Clash
8.Rancid
9.Black Flag
10.Bad Brains
11.Misfits
12.Adolescents
13.The Vandals
14.The Unseen
15. *

*As for that last one, I'm not sure. I want to put the Casualties, but I'm afraid they're too hardcore. What do you guys think?

[Chocoholic]

Iggy Pop and The Stooges- Down on the Street

As for the Ramones, I definitely think Psychotherapy is the way to go. For the Sex Pistols it should either be Anarchy in the U.K., God Save the Queen (both are great anti-government songs), or Bodies (it's about abortion and the word Fuck is dropped about 6 times in one line). For The Clash, Know Your Rights works well. Very true and definitely one of their most "punk" sounding songs.

Also, what are your thoughts on including Blondie on the list? They were considered a punk band.

[SWiTCH]

Awesome thread!

1. NOFX - It's My Job To Keep Punk Rock Elite
2. Propagandhi - Nation States
3. Bigwig - Mr. Asshole
4. Good Riddance - Weight Of The World
5. Anti-Flag - No Difference
6. Against Me - Reinventing Axl Rose
7. Hi-Standard - Wait For The Sun
8. Lagwagon - May 16
9. None More Black - Nothing To Do When You're Locked In A Vacancy
10. Pain - Derision
11. Rise Against - Black Masks And Gasoline
12. Strung Out - Firecracker

Edit: Though you have good taste, I think you're confused about what's punk.

The Offspring
A.F.I
Green Day
etc. etc.

All were once GREAT punk rock bands.
Listen to A.F.I's "Answer That and Stay Fashionable" and you will see that they hold their own against kick ass punk bands. The Offspring have Ixnay On The Hombre and Green Day have Dookie (and before).
Classic "real" punk rock albums.

Granted all these bands have moved on, but so have Anti-Flag (signed to a major, make pop songs), Rise Against (signed to a major, started sucking), Against Me! and so on.

If you include them, you gotta include them all.

[Profane Methane]

My list of 15:
1.Sex Pistols
2.Ramones
3.Dead Kennedys
4.Anti-Flag
5.Bad Religion
6.NOFX
7.The Clash
8.Rancid
9.Black Flag
10.Bad Brains
11.Misfits
12.Adolescents
13.The Vandals
14.The Unseen
15. *

*As for that last one, I'm not sure. I want to put the Casualties, but I'm afraid they're too hardcore. What do you guys think?
I put Minor Threat and Limp Wrist in, they are tons more hardcore (and better) than The Casualties.

[Tempest]

3.Priestess-Lay Down

Good job with that epic failure.


I'll probably edit this and add a few more when I find some good punk rock ones. Most of this is old skool rock.

Good job with this one too. Tell me, do you often come into threads and completely ignore simple guidelines laid down in the earliest post?

Anyway, I realize we're just selecting bands right now, but in light of Quadros' discussion on The Offspring (Which I seriously think should not be included as a Pop Punk band, but I digress from that point), I can agree that a lot of their main hits would be classified as Pop Punk. However, a wide majority of their music is punk. Perhaps not so much in their newer albums, but you have to think of it in a different way as well. If they didn't change their sound in the newer CDs, wouldn't they be just like Green Day? A band full of 35+ year olds trying to do punk music is just utterly embarassing.

I've gone off on a totally separate tangent from what I came in here to say, forgive me. I'm just a big Offspring fan. All that being said, if any Offspring is included, it should be something like Jennifer Lost The War, Gone Away, or Beheaded.

EDIT: Also, I feel if Blink had any punk songs at all, Dammit would be one of them. At least, compared to all the rest of their shit.

EDIT EDIT: I'd like to also add Sixpence None The Richer to the pool.

[SWiTCH]

Yeah, I would even include Blink in the discussion.
They were a punk rock band up until their most recent releases.
There's no way to argue that they weren't, unless it's because they were signed to a major/were popular in which case a lot of other bands would have to be excluded.

[Mdotcooley]

Awesome thread!

1. NOFX - It's My Job To Keep Punk Rock Elite
2. Propagandhi - Nation States
3. Bigwig - Mr. Asshole
4. Good Riddance - Weight Of The World
5. Anti-Flag - No Difference
6. Against Me - Reinventing Axl Rose
7. Hi-Standard - Wait For The Sun
8. Lagwagon - May 16
9. None More Black - Nothing To Do When You're Locked In A Vacancy
10. Pain - Derision
11. Rise Against - Black Masks And Gasoline
12. Strung Out - Firecracker

Edit: Though you have good taste, I think you're confused about what's punk.

The Offspring
A.F.I
Green Day
etc. etc.

All were once GREAT punk rock bands.
Listen to A.F.I's "Answer That and Stay Fashionable" and you will see that they hold their own against kick ass punk bands. The Offspring have Ixnay On The Hombre and Green Day have Dookie (and before).
Classic "real" punk rock albums.

Granted all these bands have moved on, but so have Anti-Flag (signed to a major, make pop songs), Rise Against (signed to a major, started sucking), Against Me! and so on.

If you include them, you gotta include them all.
Switch is saying exactly what I was saying though those bands have moved on into the pop punk genre now their earlier stuff had a major impact on what punk is today.

Quadros can eat my taint for all i care "ohhh look at me im punk rock i have an avatar with a mowhawk on it and i can flame other people for their opinions" thats like the definition of not punk rock. go buy some hello kitty shit at hot topic

[GSOM]

Iggy Pop and The Stooges- Down on the Street

As for the Ramones, I definitely think Psychotherapy is the way to go. For the Sex Pistols it should either be Anarchy in the U.K., God Save the Queen (both are great anti-government songs), or Bodies (it's about abortion and the word Fuck is dropped about 6 times in one line). For The Clash, Know Your Rights works well. Very true and definitely one of their most "punk" sounding songs.

Also, what are your thoughts on including Blondie on the list? They were considered a punk band.

Ha, I think Blondie started the whole crossover from Punk to Pop trend. If I made a list they would be one of those bands that would be just off of it. They were definately important to the early New York CBGB scene, but probably less important than The Ramones, Television, and Patti Smith.

And one band that I have to say tries far too hard to be Punk is The Casualties. Street Punk in general is basically a bunch of kids that just try way too hard.

MC5 is a good band to throw in here.

[Quadros]

In my mind punk is defined by the simple but constant guitar riffs, the relentless drumming, the subdued but often creative basslines, the unrefined nature of the vocals, and above all the raw unity that exudes from the music. I think Blink 182 put too much emphasis on their riffs to really count as a punk band. I love blink, but they're firmly pop punk, their music just doesn't have the requirement to be played by a band that punk has. Green Day, too, top band, Dookie is a favourite record of mine, but it's a pop punk record, all their stuff is. There's a slowness, a hesitency abut it that doesn't sit well with true punk. I think with both those bands the music lacks the rough apathetic quality in the sound that punk craves. And yeah AFI were a great punk band before they inexplicably turned emo. Thrice and Senses Fail are not punk at all though, so the emo kid with the stupid name can eat a dick and shoot himself.

[SWiTCH]

In my mind punk is defined by the simple but constant guitar riffs, the relentless drumming, the subdued but often creative basslines, the unrefined nature of the vocals, and above all the raw unity that exudes from the music. I think Blink 182 put too much emphasis on their riffs to really count as a punk band. I love blink, but they're firmly pop punk, their music just doesn't have the requirement to be played by a band that punk has. Green Day, too, top band, Dookie is a favourite record of mine, but it's a pop punk record, all their stuff is. There's a slowness, a hesitency abut it that doesn't sit well with true punk. I think with both those bands the music lacks the rough apathetic quality in the sound that punk craves. And yeah AFI were a great punk band before they inexplicably turned emo. Thrice and Senses Fail are not punk at all though, so the emo kid with the stupid name can eat a dick and shoot himself.

I think punk is more defined by its attitude and lyrical content than it's musicality. I mean... it has to be rock music, and that is the only requirement musically. I really think the term pop punk is misused.
I do agree that Blink 182 and Green Day are pop punk now, but not because of their music. It's because they no longer share the anti-establishment and DIY ideals of punk rock. So Anti-Flag, Rise Against, and Against Me! I would also consider pop punk.

There is a certain "sound" that is associated with pop punk though... Specific overused chord progressions that have mass appeal and are used often in popular music. But if a punk rock band used one of those chord progressions, or started singing with less bite they wouldn't suddenly become a pop punk band.

Critics often refer to NOFX and other skate punk bands as "pop punk", and that really annoys me. And it's just because the music is melodic instead of three chord hardcore. Punk rock does not imply a lack of song writing skilll.

NOFX, the kings of DIY, are a pop punk band, but then they'll turn around and call major label radio darlings The Ramones punk rock?

[Quadros]

The thing about Pop punk is the individual music played by the musicians or sung by the vocalist would sound ok on it's own, whereas with punk the music is required to be played in unison for it to sound any good. I mean Anti-flag's bassist is awesoem, but his basslines don't make sense unless they're underpinning the actual music. And NoFX (Who I think are clearly a punk rock band, and not pop punk at all) have a self confessed crap lead singer, who needs the rest of the band to sound good. I think there's a misconception that pop punk is just punk that's gotten popular, which I don't agree with. Pop punk has it's own distinctive sound which is much cleaner and more relaxed than punk, and the issues deal with are far more personal for the most part. There are a multitude of pop bands that people have never heard of, Pickled Dick (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=5120958) for example, who I love but aren't Punk Rock by any stretch of the imagination. The music's much lighter and there's an optimism in the tone of voice that's absent in Punk Rock. There's nothing wrong with being Pop Punk, it's just a different genre which I argue shouldn't be dealt with in this thread, but should have a seperate CD of it's own.

[GSOM]

I think punk is more defined by its attitude and lyrical content than it's musicality. I mean... it has to be rock music, and that is the only requirement musically. I really think the term pop punk is misused.
I do agree that Blink 182 and Green Day are pop punk now, but not because of their music. It's because they no longer share the anti-establishment and DIY ideals of punk rock. So Anti-Flag, Rise Against, and Against Me! I would also consider pop punk.

There is a certain "sound" that is associated with pop punk though... Specific overused chord progressions that have mass appeal and are used often in popular music. But if a punk rock band used one of those chord progressions, or started singing with less bite they wouldn't suddenly become a pop punk band.

Critics often refer to NOFX and other skate punk bands as "pop punk", and that really annoys me. And it's just because the music is melodic instead of three chord hardcore. Punk rock does not imply a lack of song writing skilll.

NOFX, the kings of DIY, are a pop punk band, but then they'll turn around and call major label radio darlings The Ramones punk rock?

Yeah, to me Punk is more of the attitue and the lyrics than the sound. Some of the earlier Punk bands don't sound Punk in the way that we mean it now, but that doesn't mean they aren't Punk. Television, Iggy Pop, and MC5 would be good examples of that. They might not sound exactly how Punk does today, but they really started the whole attitude, look and the type of lyrical content which is attributed with Punk today. Give me some good political lyrics and anger and I'm happy.

[Mdotcooley]

I think punk is a combination of the lyrical and musical attitudebecasue its not just one or the other. The music has to be pretty hardcore and be pissed off lyrically. you can sway either way on the pissed off lyrically or pissed of musically and it can still be punk rock in my opinion. but mostly i think punk is about rebellion, anger, and fighting authority

Punk Spectrum of Pissed off-ed-ness

LYRICS_________________|_______________________MUS IC

[Quadros]

Pipe down.

[MistyTehMoose]

Back on topic... :S Can't think of much right now but,

NOFX- The Idiots are taking over (For it's awesome intro)
Flogging Molly- Drunken Lullabies

I'll add more when I think of some...

[Awsumerthanyou]

I think of bands like Dropkick Murphys and Flogging Molly (Irish Punk) to be something of a separate genre. It has a different sound.

[MistyTehMoose]

Alot of punk bands sound different.

I love Flogging Molly :(

[Pelican Man]

NOFX- The Idiots are taking over (For it's awesome intro)
Flogging Molly- Drunken Lullabies

I bloody love Drunken Lullabies. I'd probably prefer Bleeding Hearts Disease by NOFX though. Tough call.

[Awsumerthanyou]

Alot of punk bands sound different.

I love Flogging Molly :(
Not that I don't like it, I just think it's a subcategory. It has a unique sound from most punk. And most of the songs are about drinking and then getting into fights.

[Ziggy St. Valentine]

Trashlight Vision

Either 'My Fuck You To You', 'Black Apples' or 'Horns And Halos'

[Tweek]

Drunken Lullabies is a kickass song, but remember there are only 15 slots.

[Quadros]

If the dropkick murphys don't count as Punk I'll close the fucking thread. That's a ridiculous thing to say.

[innerearth]

If the dropkick murphys don't count as Punk I'll close the fucking thread. That's a ridiculous thing to say.

I dont really like dropkick, but they are punk rock in my book.

[MSB]

Also, only one mention of Social D?

But it was by me, so it counts x1000. :smile:


Since Quadros asked for a list of 15 bands (and I'm totally bored and baby-free this morning), I've gone and tallied all the bands that everyone mentioned in this thread.

Here are the top 15 bands:

1. The Clash
2. The Ramones
3. Bad Religion
4. NoFX
5. Dead Kennedy's
6. Rise Against
7. Sex Pistols
8. Against Me!
9. Black Flag
10. Dropkick Murphys
11. Anti-flag
12. Bad Brains
13. The Vandals
14. The Damned
15. Social Distortion

Also tied for 15th slot:
- Blink 182
- Minor Threat
- Afi
- Buzzcocks
- Alkaline Trio
- Adolescents

[Mdotcooley]

You should have put a tally of the number of times the band was mentioned

[Quadros]

But it was by me, so it counts x1000. :smile:


Since Quadros asked for a list of 15 bands (and I'm totally bored and baby-free this morning), I've gone and tallied all the bands that everyone mentioned in this thread.

Here are the top 15 bands:

1. The Clash
2. The Ramones
3. Bad Religion
4. NoFX
5. Dead Kennedy's
6. Rise Against
7. Sex Pistols
8. Against Me!
9. Black Flag
10. Dropkick Murphys
11. Anti-flag
12. Bad Brains
13. The Vandals
14. The Damned
15. Social Distortion



Nice work. Does anyone have a problem with this list? Think a band shouldn't be there? think another should? If not it's time get down to the picking of songs.

[MSB]

Nice work. Does anyone have a problem with this list? Think a band shouldn't be there? think another should? If not it's time get down to the picking of songs.

Thanks. :smile:

Nope, I don't have a problem with it. I think it's a pretty good representation of Punk. But, I'll wait to pick out songs from each band until more people respond to the list.

[Tweek]

I'm pretty happy with that.

[Chocoholic]

I still believe Iggy Pop and the Stooges should be on there. They were one of the early bands, one of the pioneers of the genre. Perhaps take down one of the 'newer' punk bands like NoFX or Rise Against. (as much I love them).

The list you have is pretty damn good though. So if I'm the only one who cares then just forget it.

[Quadros]

I still believe Iggy Pop and the Stooges should be on there. They were one of the early bands, one of the pioneers of the genre. Perhaps take down one of the 'newer' punk bands like NoFX or Rise Against. (as much I love them).

The list you have is pretty damn good though. So if I'm the only one who cares then just forget it.

NoFX Have been around longer than the Ramones.

[Chocoholic]

NoFX Have been around longer than the Ramones.

NoFX's was formed in the early 80's. Their first recording was in 1983. They came out of the whole late 70's/early 80's California punk scene that included Dead Kennedys and Black Flag.
The Ramones were formed during the early 70's and after a bunch of ridiculous member/instrument changes they played their first gig in 1974. The Ramones had been around for almost a decade before NoFX started up.
And Iggy Pop was around even earlier than the Ramones. Hell, he's called the Godfather of Punk.

But yes, NoFX isn't really "new" (although they're still pumping CD's out). So perhaps one of the actual newer bands should be removes. Like Rise Against.

[MSB]

If we're going to bump a band off, I also vote for a newer band. Rise Against or Against Me (as much as I love both) seem to be good choices.

Going over the list again, I've realized that I'm not really familiar with Bad Brains. Are they a newer or older band? Perhaps someone can PM me with a good song of theirs to listen to. :smile:

[Chocoholic]

Bad Brains was a hardcore reggae/punk African-American band formed in the late 70's. Their shows actually got so out of hand and crazy that they were banned from playing in D.C. where they were from. So they moved to New York where they hit up CBGB's. Check this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7tryyJ0Ro&feature=related) out. It's from one of their shows at CBGB's. If that isn't punk, I don't know what is.

[Quadros]

NoFX's was formed in the early 80's. Their first recording was in 1983. They came out of the whole late 70's/early 80's California punk scene that included Dead Kennedys and Black Flag.
The Ramones were formed during the early 70's and after a bunch of ridiculous member/instrument changes they played their first gig in 1974. The Ramones had been around for almost a decade before NoFX started up.
And Iggy Pop was around even earlier than the Ramones. Hell, he's called the Godfather of Punk.

But yes, NoFX isn't really "new" (although they're still pumping CD's out). So perhaps one of the actual newer bands should be removes. Like Rise Against.

Well yeah, but the Ramones split in '96 whereas NoFX are still going, so they've been around for 25 years to the Ramones' 22. Thus been around longer. I just don't think you should have suggested removing a band with a longer influence on the scene that the band that many people consider to be the 'Punk Flagship'. And Rise Against! are the most popular modern Punk band, I don't think they should go either.

[Tempest]

If anything should go off the list it should be Bad Brains or The Clash. To be honest I feel like a good 30% of The Clash's songs don't actually fall into the punk category, they sound too.. off, to me.

[Profane Methane]

Early Clash were punk. Bad Brains are more punk then some of the bands on that list.

[Tweek]

I think Rise Against should stay, as should Bad Brains.
I agree, however, that perhaps The Clash aren't essential to the list.

But what should replace them?

[Profane Methane]

Minor Threat. They did a lot for punk, more then they are credited for.

[Tweek]

I think that's a good replacement, personally.

[Pelican Man]

I think the list already posted was a good example of punk, majority of the bands there would also be recognized by people with a half decent knowledge of music. If anything should be dropped, maybe Social Distortion? But even then, I think they're worthy of that spot.

[Chocoholic]

Well yeah, but the Ramones split in '96 whereas NoFX are still going, so they've been around for 25 years to the Ramones' 22. Thus been around longer. I just don't think you should have suggested removing a band with a longer influence on the scene that the band that many people consider to be the 'Punk Flagship'. And Rise Against! are the most popular modern Punk band, I don't think they should go either.

True, but NoFX has a very diverse sound, some of their songs way more ska than anything else (although The Clash ended up changing their sound around as well). Don't get me wrong, I'm a a fan of the band. They have great music. I'm just saying. Iggy Pop had a great deal of influence on the genre in general, setting the stones for the whole punk movement. I think he deserves a place on the list.

[Troublegum]

Buzzcocks should be included.
(That is assuming they aren't since it only says they were tied)

[MistyTehMoose]

True, but NoFX has a very diverse sound, some of their songs way more ska than anything else.

That really depends on what song you are listening to. For example 'It's my job to keep punk rock elite' is definitely not ska.

[GSOM]

Why would The Clash ever be taken off that list? That makes absolutely no sense.

[StrangersWithCandy]

This is a footnote at the top:
Notch, an amazing local vancouver band. My friend babysits for the guy.

Against Me! Borne on the FM Waves of the Heart or Baby, I'm an Anarchist
Bad Religion Anti-Social Girl
Bowling for soup (Bubblegum Punk) Smoothie King or Flavour of the Week
The Lawrence Arms Lose Your Illusion 1 (with the 1)
NoFX I'm Goin to Hell for This One

I'm going to throw in modest mouse. It's more alternative then punk but...
Modest Mouse The Ocean Breathes Salty or Florida

[corpserated]

1. Black Flag - Rise Above
2. Discharge - State Violence State Control
3. Bad Brains - Big Takeover
4. Misfits - Teenagers From Mars
5. Circle Jerks - World Up My Ass
6. Minor Threat - In My Eyes
7. Mob 47 - Animal Liberation
8. D.R.I.- I'd Rather Be Sleeping
9. Spazz - Mighty Morphin Power Violence
10. Gorilla Biscuits - High Hopes

There you have it.

[MSB]

This is a footnote at the top:
Notch, an amazing local vancouver band. My friend babysits for the guy.

Against Me! Borne on the FM Waves of the Heart or Baby, I'm an Anarchist
Bad Religion Anti-Social Girl
Bowling for soup (Bubblegum Punk) Smoothie King or Flavour of the Week
The Lawrence Arms Lose Your Illusion 1 (with the 1)
NoFX I'm Goin to Hell for This One

I'm going to throw in modest mouse. It's more alternative then punk but...
Modest Mouse The Ocean Breathes Salty or Florida

1. Black Flag - Rise Above
2. Discharge - State Violence State Control
3. Bad Brains - Big Takeover
4. Misfits - Teenagers From Mars
5. Circle Jerks - World Up My Ass
6. Minor Threat - In My Eyes
7. Mob 47 - Animal Liberation
8. D.R.I.- I'd Rather Be Sleeping
9. Spazz - Mighty Morphin Power Violence
10. Gorilla Biscuits - High Hopes

There you have it.

Please go back and read the whole thread. We've already decided on a list of 15 bands, and are no longer taking new band suggestions. :blanky:



Anyways, so is the list solid? Maybe we should start picking out the songs. If everyone posts up the list with their song choices, I'll make up a list of all the choices and we can vote on it.

[Quadros]

Yeah, maybe we sould include Iggy Pop as a sixteth, though to be honest I'm not sold on the idea. Whilst he may have influenced punk I wouldn't call him punk himself.

Anyway I can only be bothered to suggest some of the bands, because to be honest I'm not as down with some of the most important punk bands as I should be.

The Clash- I fought the Law
NoFX- Dinosaurs Must Die
Dead Kennedy's- Kill The Poor
Rise Against- State of the Union
Sex Pistols- Pretty Vacant
Dropkick Murphys- Time to Go
Anti-flag- The Press Corpse

[Tweek]

Just to clarify/get a general opinion, are we choosing songs based on how popular or famous they are, or on how good musically they are?

Sometimes a band's most well known songs aren't their best.

[Quadros]

Their best. You shouldn't take that as an invitation to some kind of gay 'how obscure is your knowledge of each ban, prove it by suggesting obscure, crappy tracks of their first EP' contest though. Remember, you have to be able to find it on iTunes.