View Full Version : Stop Sucking: A lesson on using the General Forum
There's been a recurring problem in this forum, mostly due to the newer users. For some reason, shitty threads that aren't worthy to be read, much less replied to, continue to be discussed beyond any reasonable limit. Good threads get shit on for the sake of a bad joke.
Points in case:
Stupid Simple (http://forums.explosm.net/showthread.php?t=25754), a thread started by JRex about little tips around the home to make your life just a little bit easier. This started great, but quickly devolved into nothing but shit, piss and masturbation jokes. All of which weren't very funny. Thread killed.
Girls...does it suck? To be a girl I mean (http://forums.explosm.net/showthread.php?t=22695), a thread started by MCR_RULES1995, is a steaming pile of shit in every sense of the word. I can't even begin to list why this thread is awful. The worst part, though, is it got actual replies as if it were a decent thread.
The good thread gets shit all over and the bad one is taken seriously. Stop sucking and notice these differences.
xkittenxsocksx
03-30-2008, 4:17 PM
I've witnessed this, and wholeheartedly agree with you 100%.
notafan
03-30-2008, 4:25 PM
I like how Jewy quoted an interesting part of the story to let us know if it's worth reading. I hate when people expect us just to read the whole story [from a link] without giving us any info about it.
PyroOwned
03-30-2008, 4:35 PM
Yeah, seriously, I don't use the General Forum anymore because it's where the threads go to shit. I agree with you whole-heartedly.
I like how Jewy quoted an interesting part of the story to let us know if it's worth reading. I hate when people expect us just to read the whole story [from a link] without giving us any info about it.
Honestly, I find quoting a section of the story can sometimes make things worse. Then you have about 20 people saying things or asking questions that were already answered in the actual article. Nothing bothers me more than that.
Chardon07
03-30-2008, 6:35 PM
I hate going into the General forum because of the MODs. Its like they think this is there full time job. I dont go on Forums that much but this has to be the most strictest forum around. And im pretty sure half of the members are virgins.
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l0rdsalamence
03-30-2008, 6:36 PM
americunts can't do anything right
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HappyPalooza
03-30-2008, 6:42 PM
Irony in this thread.
Kevosk
03-30-2008, 7:27 PM
Did you just understand how hard the General Forum sucks right now or something? Only retards post there because only retards post there.
PS I'm totally jealous of where you get to live :mad:
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Profane Methane
03-30-2008, 7:55 PM
I haven't really noticed since I don't look in this forum very often, but there does seem to be a lot of crap threads escaping through the cracks, especially a lot of those shit wacky article threads. I blame the Americans.
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hardcoresk8r69
03-30-2008, 8:31 PM
I haven't really noticed since I don't look in this forum very often, but there does seem to be a lot of crap threads escaping through the cracks, especially a lot of those shit wacky article threads. I blame the Americans.
There's a good place to start.
Thanks to the banned users above for giving us an example of the type of users ruining the experience for the rest of us.
Mr Anorexia
03-30-2008, 8:47 PM
I say you should putting The Pit to use, and start sending people who don't know how to post there.
Audioslave
03-30-2008, 9:12 PM
What is with Matt posting? I always thought he was an urban legend.
Also; just a tip for new kids:
WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR LIFE. I can't begin to count the number of times that these morons start with "Well at my school..." and then start rattling off a list of irrelevant things that nobody will ever read or care about.
stabbymcstab
03-31-2008, 12:17 AM
What is with Matt posting? I always thought he was an urban legend.
No, he's just the guy who's comics you hit Next > on, seriously, I have more funny in my left nut than that guy.
Since this heresy is probably going to warrant a permaban, I've got this to say about the topic:
I like the GF because of the regular influx of cool stuff, news and media articles that are discussion-worthy, contrast to other sites where the opinions of the OP in most threads seem to be the discussion. Some of the threads in GF turn into train wrecks, but most seem to be pretty civil and fade out of existence once they have lived their life, and the people who post and want to keep their account try to keep the contents of their posts structured and trimmed.
The MODs take what they have to do pretty seriously, infractions are dealt with and derailments can be brought under control most of the time. Silly threads get a little bit of attention, maybe a little bit more then they deserve, and I don't think you gave very good examples in your links, but whatever, we can't expect you to be a good artist and a good poster as well right?
Oh wait... you're neither.
This is gonna cost me isn't it?
PS:
5. What’s everyone’s favorite character/strip they’ve created?
Matt: My personal favorite strip would be the Schroedinger’s Cat comic. I really, really enjoy making comics that I know a majority of our viewer’s won’t get or find funny. It makes those who do feel special.
I got it, I didn't feel special. But I guess it sparked a 'Comics-that-90%-of-the-general-public-won't-understand Week' which everyone else got into with you.
Wait...
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MistyTehMoose
03-31-2008, 12:27 AM
My you are so edgy :hmm:
I don't think I have found much in the General Forum that interesting anymore. All the threads are mostly based on things that we can't discuss anyway, so people make jokes about it, or yeah, other people shit it up.
opn4bzns
03-31-2008, 12:30 AM
I think the problem probably lies in that people are just making threads about news items, rather than general topics of discussion. Of course some news can be discussed, but random novelty articles about a man fucking a table or whatever have very little real scope for discussion. I've no idea what you could do to fix this, however.
Edit: Also, stabby, ignoring the EDGY AS FUCK-ness of your post, you don't need to write mod in all caps, it's not an acronym or anything.
gordanthefree
03-31-2008, 1:14 AM
Are you guys going to start deleting threads that suck?
Indoctrine
03-31-2008, 1:19 AM
This sort of thing tends to happen to forums that have alot of people from, ahem, certain places on the internet.
This is true, the state of the GF has gradually gone downhill.
I think this could be atrributable to the semi-permanent departure of mods such as sexlexic, J-Rex and BadAnkle.
I tried to save that Greenhouse Gases thread, does this earn me points?
FlamingPeanuts
03-31-2008, 5:54 AM
It comes in chains, as the 5 posts of shit above show well. As soon as one person starts everyone thinks they can.
It was much better when good threads where serious and bad threads got shat on.
I think very clear lines need to be drawn between what is ok to post and what is not ok to post.
For instance, we have members like John Travolta double posting, using stupid irrelevant image posts and generally not contributing.
All of this under the usertitle Elite User. What kind of example is this setting for new people? Sure, the occasional jibe or off-topic comment should be permitted, this isn't a fucking concentration camp, but as I've said before, it's up to the more established members to set the standard. Especially those with privileged membership.
But Jiggz, don't users like JT reflect the "laidback" attitude of the comics?
Almost all of us came to the site because of C&H, and naturally we are all attracted to the "attitude" or "atmosphere" that the comics hold.
Doesn't it make sense, then, that the attitude of the forum should be formed around the users, and not the users around the forum?
I say you should putting The Pit to use, and start sending people who don't know how to post there.
And learn from the users who use it as a second spame? You sure about that?
For instance, we have members like John Travolta double posting, using stupid irrelevant image posts and generally not contributing.
Yeah, but he's funny.
But Jiggz, don't users like JT reflect the "laidback" attitude of the comics?
Almost all of us came to the site because of C&H, and naturally we are all attracted to the "attitude" or "atmosphere" that the comics hold.
Doesn't it make sense, then, that the attitude of the forum should be formed around the users, and not the users around the forum?
The problem is, as I've come to notice over the year or so I've been here, that the line between funny and annoying is very fine. A line very often overlooked depending on your membership status.
I mean, yes John is funny at times, but what if we all posted like that? We'd be another 4chan surely. With stupid irrelevant images all over the place and a full membership that think they're funny and edgy.
This is why I say the lines must be drawn. What is ok to post, what is not ok. It's a tentative situation. Maybe the whole situation is futile, maybe some people just don't get humour, and never will.
CalculatePie314
03-31-2008, 6:14 AM
Honestly, this is explosm. I expected things to be funnier around here. I mean, I love how everything is so strict, it's so annoying seeing "lol" in every post, but it doesn't mean we all have talk like we're on trial or something.
Mirrorman
03-31-2008, 6:16 AM
But Jiggz, don't users like JT reflect the "laidback" attitude of the comics?
Almost all of us came to the site because of C&H, and naturally we are all attracted to the "attitude" or "atmosphere" that the comics hold.
Doesn't it make sense, then, that the attitude of the forum should be formed around the users, and not the users around the forum?
But too much of anything isn't good. And lets face it, some people are too "laidback".
Another thing to consider is that this is not the first time people have been of the consensus that the GF sucks. When I first joined, one of my first posts was in a thread identical to this one.
Maybe we just need to accept that Explosm, much like all elase in the world, will have its ups and downs. The only way to maintain the standard the admins want, is to enforce the banning of people who step out of line, thereby setting an example for others to follow.
We always go through shit phases here, any long standing member will agree. Perhaps times like this simply call for a re-institution of the rules that make us the mostly-intelligent-sometimes-quirky forum we are.
And thus a lot less complaining. Because the complaining is the most annoying part.
Being much more strict seems like the only way to ensure that the GF stays shit free. I know when I first joined I was scared to post in the GF for fear of being banned for forgetting to capitalize. Bring back that and ban people for derailing threads and I think you will see an improvement.
Being much more strict seems like the only way to ensure that the GF stays shit free. I know when I first joined I was scared to post in the GF for fear of being banned for forgetting to capitalize. Bring back that and ban people for derailing threads and I think you will see an improvement.
There's just one problem though... Should certain members get preferential treatment? That is, Elite Members and senior members?
And if so, what of the contradictions this amounts to? I'm all for Elite/senior members having certain privileges, but doesn't this send a mixed message to new users?
How do we work around this inherent paradox without fucking the forums up?
Beefynick
03-31-2008, 7:05 AM
I think a good start would be posting a list of things that are acceptable and unacceptable to post. Most of us here know what is acceptable to post, but this way if someone post something that is out of line (including an Elite or senior member) they can be dealt with and have no room to complain because the list was posted.
If there is a question to whether something is appropriate or not and it involves a senior member or Elite, they can be given the benefit of the doubt. This way they do not lose some privilege but are not above the rules as well.
The general forum just needs a big overhaul.
I think a good start would be posting a list of things that are acceptable and unacceptable to post.
You mean like a set of global rules we'd have to agree to follow before registering?? Brilliant!
Mr Anorexia
03-31-2008, 7:11 AM
[QUOTE=Aoife;469961]And learn from the users who use it as a second spame? You sure about that?
QUOTE]
That's why they would whipe it clean and stop people from spamming it :ahe:
If there weren't regulations and strict rules, enforced by mods then the forums would look like the comments on YouTube...
"gay feature."
"hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhıkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk"
"wdf is ths?"
"hell yeah max neptune is the shit!!!! they guys that made this are awesome and great friends!"
fat-red-chicken
03-31-2008, 7:27 AM
Maybe it's because I'm new and naïve, but quite frankly, I think if someone is elite and incredibly stupid then they probably shouldn't be getting special treatment. There's a fine line between that and a French Revolution type of situation.
Beefynick
03-31-2008, 7:29 AM
You mean like a set of global rules we'd have to agree to follow before registering?? Brilliant!
The problem is the global rules are not clearly defined. For instance there is nothing about posting just a picture. We all know that you will get TO'ed for that but a new member may post a pic thinking it will contribute to the hilarity of a thread and get TO'ed. I am talking about a clear and precise list.
But, that is just my opinion.
Maybe it's because I'm new and naïve, but quite frankly, I think if someone is elite and incredibly stupid then they probably shouldn't be getting special treatment. There's a fine line between that and a French Revolution type of situation.
Someone doesn't get made elite if they're incredibly stupid. A user has to prove themselves in the forums and get voted by the elites, mods and admins to become elite.
The problem is the global rules are not clearly defined. For instance there is nothing about posting just a picture. We all know that you will get TO'ed for that but a new member may post a pic thinking it will contribute to the hilarity of a thread and get TO'ed. I am talking about a clear and precise list.
But, that is just my opinion.
There are too many things that could get a user banned. An all-encompassing list would 1) be as thick as a phone book and 2) be impossible to create.
Also;
These rules aren't all-inclusive. Decisions are made by the moderators, and they're always right in the end, so please don't argue. If you want to find out what annoying trends to avoid, check out the User Dump for an archive of who has been infrac'd, why they were banned, and a link to their incriminating post.
Someone doesn't get made elite if they're incredibly stupid. A user has to prove themselves in the forums and get voted by the elites, mods and admins to become elite.
Ya, but unfortunately this peer vote is just that, a peer vote. And who's to say their conception of humour isn't flawed.
Also, once becoming an Elite, what guidelines are in place to ensure that the behaviour that got them elited is maintained?
The thing is, it's the long-standing members and the Admins who created the site that make the vote. I can't think of a better group of people to decide who fits in with this site.
Elite users like John Travolta who regularly gets banned for over-stepping the mark?
Elite users are given a little extra leeway that the regular users aren't given, because they're considered to be a better judge of how a thread should go than the regular users. If they cross the line, they'll either get banned or reprimanded in the Elite Forum.
fat-red-chicken
03-31-2008, 7:46 AM
[QUOTE=Ox;470072]Someone doesn't get made elite if they're incredibly stupid. A user has to prove themselves in the forums and get voted by the elites, mods and admins to become elite.
Bush was elected through a similar process. And then people gave him the BOTD. And then he started two wars.
Mr Anorexia
03-31-2008, 7:49 AM
Elite users like John Travolta and Assassin who regularly get banned for over-stepping the mark?
Assassin?
No, Bush wasn't voted by the majority of people in a selected group.
He got the highest percentage of votes compared with a select other few people, from a nation with a population of over 300,000,000.
See the difference?
Assassin?
My mistake. Disregard.
Elite users are given a little extra leeway that the regular users aren't given, because they're considered to be a better judge of how a thread should go than the regular users. If they cross the line, they'll either get banned or reprimanded in the Elite Forum.
Ok, then surely the onus is on us and the Elites to set the standard? And in all honesty, some of the stuff the Elites get away with doesn't reflect this mindset.
I guess Matt's making a point but I've only ever genuinely found a GF thread interesting if it was doomed to be thread dumped...
junglebunny
03-31-2008, 8:45 AM
My mistake. Disregard.
Assassin is a secret elite?!
Sadly, no. I was just being a retard.
junglebunny
03-31-2008, 8:58 AM
Oh I get it :wink:
CalculatePie314
03-31-2008, 9:02 AM
I think the general rule is to lurk before you post. I know it's not a rule, but maybe put a guideline down somewhere. It's easier to see what's acceptable and what's not acceptable if you watch regular and elite members.
Other than that, ban more and set an example. The only problem with banning constantly is that new members will be afraid to stand out and try and make a joke... maybe.
And what happened to the quick set of rules to the right of the quick reply box? There was a list in red bold print saying stuff like "Reread what you wrote and if you think there may be a problem, don't post."
I know a lot of people get annoyed by the General Forum being filled with news articles, but go and look at the main forum page. We have forums for everything from video games to showing off your artwork. There's not much you can post in the General Forum without someone saying 'This should be in such-and-such forum!'.
As for elites being "bad examples" or whatever, you're most likely referring to them shitting on horrible threads that deserve it. As a general rule, don't threadshit. We trust the elites to know what's worthy of it or not.
I know a lot of people get annoyed by the General Forum being filled with news articles, but go and look at the main forum page. We have forums for everything from video games to showing off your artwork. There's not much you can post in the General Forum without someone saying 'This should be in such-and-such forum!'.
This should be in the comment dump! :D
I don't think you're going to ever clean up the GF. So many people just think they're hilarious and have a zany news story about a man fucking a picnic table or something they cut their wrists over.
Quadros
03-31-2008, 12:23 PM
The problem I see is that the genuinely funny people like Copyfag or Junglebunny will say something irrelevant but hilarious and unfunny dicks see this as permission to totally derail the thread into a horrible traincrash of masterbation jokes and circle jerking. We should be able to make the odd joke without these morons jumping on the oppertunity to be unfunny as fuck. Unfortunately this brings me back to the solution I've came to last time; kill all stupid people.
Basically it's a poster's responsibility to know when they're being funny and when they;re stupid pieces of shit, and many don't, leading to shit fests for threads.
John Travolta
03-31-2008, 3:26 PM
I think very clear lines need to be drawn between what is ok to post and what is not ok to post.
For instance, we have members like John Travolta double posting, using stupid irrelevant image posts and generally not contributing.
All of this under the usertitle Elite User. What kind of example is this setting for new people? Sure, the occasional jibe or off-topic comment should be permitted, this isn't a fucking concentration camp, but as I've said before, it's up to the more established members to set the standard. Especially those with privileged membership.
Keep your worthless vendetta to yourself, there's no reason for it.
SealPunter
03-31-2008, 5:43 PM
Well what if the person is not trying to be funny? Meaning like... What if someone doesn't want to crack jokes but enjoys hearing them when they are on these forums... Sure it is unlikely, but how would you handle that?
HappyPalooza
03-31-2008, 6:00 PM
I read that three times and have no idea what you mean. Elaborate.
Quadros
03-31-2008, 6:50 PM
Well what if the person is not trying to be funny? Meaning like... What if someone doesn't want to crack jokes but enjoys hearing them when they are on these forums... Sure it is unlikely, but how would you handle that?
They can still laugh at Copyfag and Junglebunny without chiming in with their own unfunny shit? Just like you can sit and laugh at a stand up without getting on the stage and joining in?
What Matt said, is part of the reason I don't post in teh General Forum all that much anymore. I find it worthless and somewhat boring, beacuse well, the threads are rather shitty.
What happened to the good ole days!
Tempest
03-31-2008, 7:55 PM
As for elites being "bad examples" or whatever, you're most likely referring to them shitting on horrible threads that deserve it. As a general rule, don't threadshit. We trust the elites to know what's worthy of it or not.
It's still a double-standard and a bad example. :ahe: Elites are allowed to publically do something that most normal users would get banned for. It sounds dumb, but who are newer forum users supposed to "look up" to? Sure it's no big deal with threads that deserve to be shitted on, but if elites are the ones who know which threads are worthy, normal users are going to get TO'd for doing what they saw the forum veterans doing.
If the thread sucks we're supposed to shit all over it. If it's a good thread, though, and you threadshit, you bet your ass you're getting banned for it. That includes elites. Normal users should be able to see that when we shit on those threads, it was deserving.
Tempest
03-31-2008, 8:10 PM
If the thread sucks we're supposed to shit all over it. If it's a good thread, though, and you threadshit, you bet your ass you're getting banned for it. That includes elites. Normal users should be able to see that when we shit on those threads, it was deserving.
Oh don't get me wrong, threadshitting the terrible threads is the highlight of my day. I just don't think it's made clear enough that the elites are only doing it for shitty threads (And to solidify my point, notice the serious replies most new people give to shitty threads that have obviously been raped by threadshit). Perhaps someone should make some sort of guide to threadshitting. :fmita:
Or perhaps shitty threads should be marked as such by the creator. :fmita:
Some idiot's always going to take it seriously. As long as the majority doesn't.
Quadros
03-31-2008, 8:24 PM
to be fair when the minority do it's that much funnier.
Golden example being the Easter thread.
John Travolta
03-31-2008, 9:27 PM
It's still a double-standard and a bad example. :ahe: Elites are allowed to publically do something that most normal users would get banned for. It sounds dumb, but who are newer forum users supposed to "look up" to? Sure it's no big deal with threads that deserve to be shitted on, but if elites are the ones who know which threads are worthy, normal users are going to get TO'd for doing what they saw the forum veterans doing.
Get the fuck over it, Communist.
Chrisso
03-31-2008, 10:08 PM
The Elites aren't only fucking around. We're trying to shit on the shit threads so there will be only be decent threads left.
Quadros nailed it. If one person says an offhand joke, that isn't a cue for everybody to throw in their favorite sex joke.
green rubber bands
03-31-2008, 10:11 PM
Shouldn't the same also apply to the comment dump (not saying it shouldn't apply to every forum, but the GF and Comment Dump especially because they are the least modded).
Tempest
03-31-2008, 11:26 PM
Get the fuck over it, Communist.
Oh John Travolta, you're so funny. I hope you threadshit EVERY thread! :hmm:
Keep your worthless vendetta to yourself, there's no reason for it.
You've got me all wrong. Sure, I don't like you much, but you were the first example to come to mind. My intention is not to turn this into a John Travolta roasting fest.
I mean come on, you have to admit, you do over step the line a lot.
And you're picking a fight in a thread about respecting the forum.
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
I'm trying to stop an argument dumbfuck, can you read?
John told you to keep it to yourself. You unnecessarily return with "I mean come on, you have to admit, you do over step the line a lot." SURE SOUNDS LIKE INSTIGATION TO ME.
Now drop it.
Indoctrine
04-01-2008, 2:07 AM
'Tis somewhat ironic that this thread is going to the shit by itself.
John Travolta
04-01-2008, 5:28 AM
'Tis somewhat ironic that this thread is going to the shit by itself.
Everybody is keeping it on topic, and 90% of the posts are relevant so I don't understand how it's going to shit.
Oh John Travolta, you're so funny. I hope you threadshit EVERY thread!
I wasn't trying to be remotely funny. From seeing your post I gather that you want everybody to be equal and you want there to be a lack of hierarchical system. I'm sorry to tell you, but it's not going to happen. Elites are better than you, and I would believe it even if I wasn't one. This retarded complaining about Elites being able to get away with more stupid shit has been going on since, I assume, SS and I'm sorry to tell you that nobody cares how unhappy you are about the way things are.
Half of you guys are arguing that Elites are the problem with the shittiness of the forums when that's just not the case. We're trying to liven up this forum and you complainers are just being unfunny douchebags. The General Forum has sucked since before I joined and the only thing that has changed is that a lot of you are just trying to be funnier than you really are by acting like mature serious adults. Can I remind you that this is and internet forum for internet comics?
Half of you guys are arguing that Elites are the problem with the shittiness of the forums when that's just not the case. We're trying to liven up this forum and you complainers are just being unfunny douchebags.
While I agree with a lot of what you say, I want to point out that 90% of the time when elites do show up with us "regular folk", the only comments we tend to get from them are "spame sucks so much compared to when I joined" and "all of the general forum threads are shit". I think a vast majority of the time it's the elites being whiny and complaining. It's been my experience that a lot of the noobs want to make a place for themselves here and are willing to put in effort to make this place not suck. And as far as spame goes at least, I'd like to see some of them show up more and show us newer people how it was in the good old days, and how to make it better. Same goes with the GF. I'm not saying they are the problem, I am not saying elites make stuff suck. I am saying that how the fuck are we supposed to know what was funny or not sucky 2 or 3 years ago when we weren't around for that shit?
Chrisso
04-01-2008, 6:05 AM
In the old days, we didn't have Spame.
We had Praven.
Bring back Skreb. Let the mayhem commence.
GCBC, what are you talking about? Spame is fine. In fact, most of the elites agree that it's the best forum we have. This is only about the GF, which the elites are actively trying to better.
Quadros
04-01-2008, 12:25 PM
The only real further action you can take is to make me elite/mod/site overlord and let me cleanse the un funny scum off the forum.
Or alternatively you could get someone else to actually mod the GF. It's a crazy idea but by golly it MIGHT JUST WORK!
Mirrorman
04-01-2008, 12:25 PM
Can I remind you that this is and internet forum for internet comics?
The man's got a point there.
BINK_ME_PLEASE
04-01-2008, 1:23 PM
ya general forums sucks!! 1 ! 1 one
HappyPalooza
04-01-2008, 1:28 PM
Who are you, wise and mysterious stranger?
BINK_ME_PLEASE
04-01-2008, 1:30 PM
im yur slave master u fukin bitch
im yur slave master u fukin bitch
HappyPalooza!? I should have known :mad:
HappyPalooza
04-01-2008, 1:35 PM
Yes, 'tis true!
The Elites aren't only fucking around. We're trying to shit on the shit threads so there will be only be decent threads left.
Quadros nailed it. If one person says an offhand joke, that isn't a cue for everybody to throw in their favorite sex joke.
You you guys are killing me with all the arguments about thread shitting and such. Do you all realize how silly you all sound?
EDIT:
GCBC, what are you talking about? Spame is fine. In fact, most of the elites agree that it's the best forum we have. This is only about the GF, which the elites are actively trying to better.
Spame is the best forum we have. Why? Mainly because, there isn't so much, "fear" and/or worry about having to type a certain way and whatnot. Sure, rules for proper grammar and whatnot is a great thing, but soemtimes you guys seem to be too much of sticklers over shit in the general and other forums. Sometimes I think its too much, which another reason why I don't post because well, I don't feel like having to go over something I type, or worrying about getting TO'd and/or banned.
With Spame, i can type my opinion or whatever and not have to worry. Though, there are times I have to worry about my post(s) getting edited, or someone just ignoring what I say. But I think if the GF could be a bit more lighthearted in that sense, it'd be a whole lot better. That's just my opinion.
Quadros
04-01-2008, 5:36 PM
Yeah but if the GF were more like SPAME then this would happen;
You gu-
BORED NOW.
The Elites aren't only fucking around. We're trying to shit on the shit threads so there will be only be decent threads left.
Quadros nailed it. If one person says an offhand joke, that isn't a cue for everybody to throw in their favorite sex joke.
Yeah but if the GF were more like SPAME then this would happen;
BORED NOW.
For some reason I want to dislike you, but I think its the opposite.
SealPunter
04-01-2008, 7:57 PM
Alright I know half of you don't like me, but I'm trying here.
The Spame forum gives everyone a chance to rag on each other and all that. The General Forum is supposed to be a more structured place to talk about world news, fun events, I dunno, shit like that. The only problem is that most of you refuse to accept new things. First of all, whenever someone comes in with something different that they find funny, a good five people will jump in and talk about how something like it already exists, or it isn't worth their time. Second, some of you refuse to accept new members, me being a new member, I have noticed how you guys reject ANYTHING I say (even thought it has been pretty retarded lately.) Give new shit a chance is all I am saying. Sure none of you will agree with me, just my two cents.
Well you picked the worst day to make a thread and make a real opinion about the GF.
Mr Anorexia
04-01-2008, 8:21 PM
Alright I know half of you don't like me, but I'm trying here.
The Spame forum gives everyone a chance to rag on each other and all that. The General Forum is supposed to be a more structured place to talk about world news, fun events, I dunno, shit like that. The only problem is that most of you refuse to accept new things. First of all, whenever someone comes in with something different that they find funny, a good five people will jump in and talk about how something like it already exists, or it isn't worth their time. Second, some of you refuse to accept new members, me being a new member, I have noticed how you guys reject ANYTHING I say (even thought it has been pretty retarded lately.) Give new shit a chance is all I am saying. Sure none of you will agree with me, just my two cents.
The reason people don't accept you is because you are a nerd. You are a nerd for a very specific reason and will not be unnerded. And the reason people don't accept new people in Spame is because they almost always are generally unfunny, at least at first.
Quadros
04-01-2008, 8:31 PM
Alright I know half of you don't like me, but I'm trying here.
The Spame forum gives everyone a chance to rag on each other and all that. The General Forum is supposed to be a more structured place to talk about world news, fun events, I dunno, shit like that. The only problem is that most of you refuse to accept new things. First of all, whenever someone comes in with something different that they find funny, a good five people will jump in and talk about how something like it already exists, or it isn't worth their time. Second, some of you refuse to accept new members, me being a new member, I have noticed how you guys reject ANYTHING I say (even thought it has been pretty retarded lately.) Give new shit a chance is all I am saying. Sure none of you will agree with me, just my two cents.
Yeah but the thing is that you're unfunny as fuck and your ideas are unoriginal and stupid. So you think there's a problem with us telling you that instead of humouring you like you're a child with 'issues'? Fuck off and get funnier.
MistyTehMoose
04-01-2008, 9:17 PM
Alright I know half of you don't like me, but I'm trying here.
The Spame forum gives everyone a chance to rag on each other and all that. The General Forum is supposed to be a more structured place to talk about world news, fun events, I dunno, shit like that. The only problem is that most of you refuse to accept new things. First of all, whenever someone comes in with something different that they find funny, a good five people will jump in and talk about how something like it already exists, or it isn't worth their time. Second, some of you refuse to accept new members, me being a new member, I have noticed how you guys reject ANYTHING I say (even thought it has been pretty retarded lately.) Give new shit a chance is all I am saying. Sure none of you will agree with me, just my two cents.
:thenewcare:
its because on this day spame has infiltrated the GF, and we all hate you.
I'm struggling to tell the difference between the GF and Spame at the moment. Hold on, I'm going to offer someone fake relationship advice...
Having a hard time explaining to my boss why I'm a member of The Love Forum. :indiff:
Eh, people see something they think is funny and they want to be funny too, so the majority end up posting something unfunny and derailing a thread. Plenty of forums have this problem.
It's far from my duty to say this in a forum I don't even post in, but people need to lurk more, and if they're unfunny, try, y'know, reading other people's funnies instead of inputting your own shitfest. That's what I did, anyway.
I'll go back into the shadows now.
fat-red-chicken
04-02-2008, 6:31 AM
Alright I know half of you don't like me, but I'm trying here.
The Spame forum gives everyone a chance to rag on each other and all that. The General Forum is supposed to be a more structured place to talk about world news, fun events, I dunno, shit like that. The only problem is that most of you refuse to accept new things. First of all, whenever someone comes in with something different that they find funny, a good five people will jump in and talk about how something like it already exists, or it isn't worth their time. Second, some of you refuse to accept new members, me being a new member, I have noticed how you guys reject ANYTHING I say (even thought it has been pretty retarded lately.) Give new shit a chance is all I am saying. Sure none of you will agree with me, just my two cents.
I agree with you! :) Except for the part where you go on about how you're not accepted. That was just asking for it.
V1n will suck forever if he keeps referring to himself in the third person.
Quadros
04-04-2008, 10:49 AM
I don't really think the third person thing has anything to do with it to be honest.
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Cristo
04-04-2008, 5:28 PM
Isn't it all relative?
Does one person now dictate which topics do or don't suck?
Quadros
04-04-2008, 5:30 PM
I think the running rule here is that if you post it it sucks.
Cristo
04-04-2008, 5:31 PM
Same goes for you poopoohead!!
Miss Freeze
04-04-2008, 7:35 PM
poopoohead? So you're still in Kindergarten? That explains alot.
Stop shitting up the thread, retards.
John Travolta
04-04-2008, 9:33 PM
Matt is the regulator.
Cristo
04-05-2008, 5:23 AM
But I thought this was GF?
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None of your posts in this thread were necessary at all. Just because you see a sticky thread doesn't mean you have to add some words to it.
Can I make a suggestion? Since people have complained about news threads, maybe you can create a "News and Current Events" forum for threads like that?
Quadros
04-05-2008, 12:36 PM
Yeah it's safe to say the majority of people really don't give a shit about these ridiculous local news stories anyway, they're just shite. The only thing is, what would be left for the GF?
I was referring to news threads that actually have merit, like the one on that "Miss Bimbo" game.
Mr. Crow
04-05-2008, 1:13 PM
I was referring to news threads that actually have merit, like the one on that "Miss Bimbo" game.
Dude, eighty or ninety percent of the GF threads are discussions about news and internet articles or current events.
Dude, eighty or ninety percent of the GF threads are discussions about news and internet articles or current events.
So, if we create a News forum, 100% of it would be news, internet articles, and current events, and the GF would be 100% miscellanea.
Kwanza
04-05-2008, 2:28 PM
How about we create a list of news sites so people can read the news if.. and this is the good part. Read it if they really want to.
I don't come here to read about stupid people from all over the world.
If you don't want to read the News forum, then don't visit it. Simple as that.
There won't be a news forum.
jewishjosh
04-05-2008, 11:06 PM
I think one of the biggest problems is a combination of shitting and derailing of good threads, and moderation technique. Remember the recent thread about the Oxford study to find the roots of belief in god? After a while a newb came along, made an offhand comment about vegetarianism, and everyone jumped on him and "discussed" a completely different topic for about two whole pages before the thread got closed. Banning people who derail threads doesn't work because once the thread is derailed, others will continue it, as in said thread. I think you have to close the thread right away when it turns to shit, even if it started off as a decent thread. Put out the fire before it burns down the whole forum.
On a similar note, when some newb bumps a 6-month old thread, close it. Don't wait for an elite to post a snide comment. That's the kind of bad example I'm seeing lately, and it shits up the forum even more.
opn4bzns
04-05-2008, 11:31 PM
I think we need a warning system. While it is bad that people aren't reading the rules, people are just being discouraged from posting because they get banned for forgetting to capitalise a word. A warning, like there used to be with the infrac system (although I prefer the TO system overall) would give people the message that they will be banned if they continue to break rules without directly removing them from the forums. While I like the fact that Explosm is really anal about grammar and whatnot, decent posters are being banned for little mistakes. How can that be beneficial to the forums?
jewishjosh
04-05-2008, 11:38 PM
I don't know if the ban reason is displayed when a person in TO tries to access the site, but it should be. This would accomplish the same thing while still standing by the principle that new members must read the rules.
Desert
04-06-2008, 12:13 AM
I don't know if the ban reason is displayed when a person in TO tries to access the site, but it should be. This would accomplish the same thing while still standing by the principle that new members must read the rules.
The reason is shown, I believe.
Why don't we just ban them for that number of days the thread was bumped? I remember Rob did that a couple times and they have like 50 days left on their ban at least.
MistyTehMoose
04-06-2008, 4:52 AM
On a similar note, when some newb bumps a 6-month old thread, close it. Don't wait for an elite to post a snide comment. That's the kind of bad example I'm seeing lately, and it shits up the forum even more.
YES SIR
BadAnkle
04-06-2008, 8:26 AM
I think we need a warning system. While it is bad that people aren't reading the rules, people are just being discouraged from posting because they get banned for forgetting to capitalise a word. A warning, like there used to be with the infrac system (although I prefer the TO system overall) would give people the message that they will be banned if they continue to break rules without directly removing them from the forums. While I like the fact that Explosm is really anal about grammar and whatnot, decent posters are being banned for little mistakes. How can that be beneficial to the forums?
When the infrac system was in place, I would give warnings to new people. Whenever I did, I would also send them a PM to make sure they noticed and understood the warning. It made no discernible difference in anyone's posting, ever. They'd keep doing the same dumb shit.
Some people should feel unwelcome.
Rockon1015
04-06-2008, 2:40 PM
If people would be carefull and try not to turn threads into hunks of crap I would be seeing less "fucking banned bitches" or "time out". Or maybe if people read the rules now and then. So obey the Admins :hail: Withought them this place would be like Youtube and worse...no Cyanide and Happiness!
Miss Freeze
04-09-2008, 8:38 AM
The news threads wouldn't be so bad if they generated an actual dicussion and not just a slew of posts that all basically read the same.
When I first posted I was banned, twice, and with good reason. It was the first time I'd ever posted in any forum and should've read the rules a bit more thoroughly, they are quite clear about do's and don'ts. I went through the correct channels to discuss this and got myself schooled (thank you Ox an I believe also Materialize). No more bans for me since then.
It is annoying that some people wont learn, they really do ruin it for everyone else. I worry about the future of the Fan Art thread, it can be at times full of annoying posts from seemingly "special" people. I hope it keeps going because there is still some good stuff being posted there.
MistyTehMoose
04-14-2008, 5:35 AM
Fan Art has always been full of retards.
HappyPalooza
04-14-2008, 12:54 PM
Fan Art has always been full of retards.
Yeah, but at least there were occasional strokes of genius. Now it's completely gone to Hell and I don't even bother going there anymore.
Mr. Crow
04-14-2008, 1:10 PM
When I first posted I was banned, twice, and with good reason. It was the first time I'd ever posted in any forum and should've read the rules a bit more thoroughly, they are quite clear about do's and don'ts. I went through the correct channels to discuss this and got myself schooled (thank you Ox an I believe also Materialize). No more bans for me since then.
It is annoying that some people wont learn, they really do ruin it for everyone else. I worry about the future of the Fan Art thread, it can be at times full of annoying posts from seemingly "special" people. I hope it keeps going because there is still some good stuff being posted there.
Considering that you've been here less than a month and have under forty posts, I don't think you're in any position to talk as if you know jack shit about anything.
LeeJam
04-14-2008, 1:28 PM
Ironic how this thread sucks and is gay
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
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Yeah, but at least there were occasional strokes of genius. Now it's completely gone to Hell and I don't even bother going there anymore.
Yeah, I stopped posting comics there. Too hard to compete with the utter shit that's being produced lately, but of course some would say it was always like that. Meh.
CharlieH
04-17-2008, 4:57 AM
Yeah, you know that shit.
Before i stopped making comics, i'd post one, then all of a sudden, boom, shit post after shit comic after pointless flaming, after annoying newb. by the time it had all gone a away, my comics had been forgotton. :(
Anyway, more on topic now.
If you really want to sort the GF out, get the longest standing good regular poster you can, mod them, and let them loose for a bit. I noticed a lot of crappy posts in the "How retarded are your parents" thread. Wyatt isn't around all the time.
Pelican Man
04-17-2008, 5:36 AM
Yeah, you know that shit.
Before i stopped making comics, i'd post one, then all of a sudden, boom, shit post after shit comic after pointless flaming, after annoying newb. by the time it had all gone a away, my comics had been forgotton. :(
You know, most people who look in there, if they do skip stuff, they skip the talking. I'm sure people who go in there do actually view all the comics. You know what that means? They didn't think your comic was worthy of critique. Nothing to do with the amount of crap that was bundled around it. Because, let's face it, yours was probably just the meaty crap in a crap sandwich.
If you really want to sort the GF out, get the longest standing good regular poster you can, mod them, and let them loose for a bit..
You're right! Who's a member who's been around, say, a year and a half and still posts regularly? Oh! You fit that bill perfectly! They should totally mod you!
CharlieH
04-17-2008, 5:52 AM
Well, you fit that bill also. Stop trying to make me sound like an asshole. I'm sick of it.
The GF was great when I was mod. Absolutely fuckin' great.
Pelican Man
04-17-2008, 6:21 AM
Well, you fit that bill also. Stop trying to make me sound like an asshole. I'm sick of it.
Yeah, but the thing is, I don't consistently ask to be a mod, and point out separately how each individual forum is in need of a mod.
Having mods won't stop people from posting shitty threads. All having mods does is make sure the crap gets cleaned up eventually.
Oh, and I'm not trying to make you sound like an asshole. I was just pointing out how desperate you sound.
Having mods could help people from posting shitty threads if the gf did what g and s does, with me having to approve any thread before the rest of the users can see it.
Having mods could help people from posting shitty threads if the gf did what g and s does, with me having to approve any thread before the rest of the users can see it.
This could work. But, aren't we getting a little too strict now.
I mean, the way the current rules stand, according to personal interpretation pretty much anything could be labelled as shit. Personally, I'm too fucking shit scared to post in the GF.
It would be a lot easier to filter out news threads that way as well as ones that are going to get dumped anyway.
Kwanza
04-17-2008, 5:12 PM
Restricting threads doesn't give us the leeway to ban people for shitty ones. They need to learn somehow, and a bunch of their threads not being approved won't do it.
Derelict
04-17-2008, 5:17 PM
The problem with them not being approved is other members won't know that they weren't, so they'll just keep submitting them. It will simply get tedious and annoying for the moderators.
Pamito
04-17-2008, 6:00 PM
Hi i cant make a new thread so i'll just ask it here i'm sorry :x
i just wanted to know if anyone can tell me wich program does "Kris" uses to make his comics, i want to know coz i love the outlines look :D
thank you and sorry again!
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Ziggy St. Valentine
04-17-2008, 7:34 PM
Yeah, you know that shit.
Before i stopped making comics, i'd post one, then all of a sudden, boom, shit post after shit comic after pointless flaming, after annoying newb. by the time it had all gone a away, my comics had been forgotton. :(
Anyway, more on topic now.
If you really want to sort the GF out, get the longest standing good regular poster you can, mod them, and let them loose for a bit. I noticed a lot of crappy posts in the "How retarded are your parents" thread. Wyatt isn't around all the time.
No CharlieH you can't be a mod!
Seriously though, a mod thats online more often could be a good idea, though Wyatt does do an excellent job when hes online.
Restricting threads doesn't give us the leeway to ban people for shitty ones. They need to learn somehow, and a bunch of their threads not being approved won't do it.
This is silly. Surely they'll get the gist of what constitutes a good thread if several of their threads are rejected. You're suggesting we shit up the forums first then punish?
That's just backwards.
If it's the workload of having to read all new threads to ensure their unshittiness that you're concerned with, I'm sure there are plenty of kids willing to be edit mods, where they just peruse new threads and decide if they're worthwhile.
Tbscifie
04-18-2008, 5:27 PM
Hi
I'm kinda new here
sorry if this is the wrong section
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Quadros
04-18-2008, 7:29 PM
No CharlieH you can't be a mod!
Seriously though, a mod thats online more often could be a good idea, though Wyatt does do an excellent job when hes online.
You know these mindless bandwagons is a lot of what's wrong with these forums. Instead of forming their own opinons or just shutting the fuck up about something they know fuck all about, n00bs like this Ziggy twat repeat eactly what the accepted members say in the hope of being accepted for being unfunny and unoriginal. News Flash: IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.
This is silly. Surely they'll get the gist of what constitutes a good thread if several of their threads are rejected. You're suggesting we shit up the forums first then punish?
That's just backwards.
If it's the workload of having to read all new threads to ensure their unshittiness that you're concerned with, I'm sure there are plenty of kids willing to be edit mods, where they just peruse new threads and decide if they're worthwhile.
If there's a shitty thread and people get punished for making it, wouldn't it kind of be an example for other people of what not to do? If the people who made the threads get TO'd, eventually they'll learn how to post and what to post threads about and other members would see to not make threads like it.
Would it be possible to put a list of things not to do on the page where you post the thread?
jewishjosh
04-18-2008, 11:15 PM
Would it be possible to put a list of things not to do on the page where you post the thread?
You mean a link to the Thread Dump when you post a thread, like the link to the rules page (which I assume exists) when you sign up? That's what the Thread Dump's for, setting an example for bad threads, and same with the User Dump back in the infrac days. Bad threads need to be posted to set an example, and bad posters need to be TO'd to set an example. Otherwise nobody will know what constitutes a bad thread/post. And users have a good two weeks before they're allowed to post threads, they can spend those two weeks checking out the thread dump to see what not to do. *Edit - idea: make the thread dump visible to banned users so they can see exactly what they did wrong while they're in TO, instead of coming back confused and shitting the place up again.
It's probably less work to dump one bad thread than to approve several good ones, and I bet the mods get a kick out of banning people.
More like a list of guidelines for making a non-shitty thread or something. Like with the news threads, if it's not groundbreaking don't post it, if it's something from your personal life don't post it, if it's a birthday thread don't post it, etc.
But like, a list right above where you would type in the thread content so it would be impossible to miss, and if they still make a shitty thread the punishments could be more harsh.
opn4bzns
04-19-2008, 7:48 AM
I'm not sure shitty threads are the whole problem, people are shitting up good threads. Tyler's thread about the Stuff White People Like is a decent example. It's a link to an amusing site. Maybe there isn't huge discussion potential, but it doesn't mean people should just shit it up like they are.
Spastic
04-19-2008, 4:27 PM
I'm not sure shitty threads are the whole problem, people are shitting up good threads. Tyler's thread about the Stuff White People Like is a decent example. It's a link to an amusing site. Maybe there isn't huge discussion potential, but it doesn't mean people should just shit it up like they are.
I think it's because it was dumped when fabz made it, so they expected it to be dumped again.
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