Only whites can be racist

[lollercaust]

I just read this bulletin on MySpace. I already have an opinion on the subject, which I'll share in a while, but I was wondering what everyone else thought of what it discusses. It's been floating around for a long while, so chances are at least a few of you have already read it. Here it is:

you call me:

"redneck"

"Hillbilly"

"Slaker"

"Cracker"

"Honkey"

"Whitey"

"Gringo"

"Sage"

"wop"

& "white bread"

and you think it's OK.

But when I call you:

jungle munkey

spear chunker

coon

wet back

jiggaboo

porch monkey

sand nigger

POONJAB

rag head

towelhead

Camel Jockey

Gook

Spook

SUPER Spook

MOUNTAIN GORRILLA

NIGGER

kike

whoope

slant eyes

or Chink

you call me a racist.

-You have the United Negro College Fund.
-You have Martin Luther King Day.
-You have Black History Month.
-You have The Miss Black America Pageant
-You have Cesar Chavez Day.
-You have Kwanza
-You have Yom Hashoah
-You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
-You have the NAACP.
-You have BET.

but:

-If we had WET(white entertainment television) ...we'd be racist.
-If we had a White Pride Day... you would call us racist.
-If we had white history month... we'd be racist.
-The Miss America Pageant used to be predominantly white until the NAACP sued to allow more black girls, yet Miss Black America Pageant is ALL black Girls and no whites are permitted.
-If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives... we'd be racist.
-If you apply for a government job, you get 50 extra points, just for writing your name.
-If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...you know we'd be racist.
-In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights...you would call us racist.
-Did you know that some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them. they all got sent to court for being racist but the african-american, Latino, and Asia clubs were not even questioned.
-You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.


There are parts of it that are ridiculous, I'll agree. But some other parts definately call in a bit of consideration. I've read this a few times, all the while forming my ideas. But now I want to see what others think.

[Idioteque]

I would agree, but you have to remember, the "white man" suppressed all of the people mentioned. I think that lends some merit to the seemingly disparate treatment, even today.

[Dime]

I seriously just thought about this after I saw the commercial for Harold and Kumar escape from Guantanamo Bay. They accuse the black guy of being racist because he picks the indian out for a random search at the airport, and Kumar says "he can't be racist, he's black.

Or something along the lines of that.

[BKS]

I've thought about this a few times, and there really isn't a solution. Its circular, someone says someone else is a racist, they're racist themselves.

[Quadros]

Oh boo hoo would black people enslaving you for 200 years, asians repressing you with imperial obligations that were really no better than slavery and hispanics being treated as demons because of their govenments make everything better? How about if after that, the black people segregate you as second class citizens, the asians launch the most horrific mass destructive attack in the history of mankind on you, and then murder millions of white people on the other side of the world in a war that has nothing to do with them whilst letting the rest of you suffer in the wake of economic embargo, and the hispanics taunt and hate you from their middle class homes for breaking your back to work for pittance. And then you can have your fucking college fund and extra day off a year. Would that make everything better?

[Matterialize]

"Here I am, a regular teenage guy. I play hockey, video games, and I go biking with my friends every weekend. I'm getting decent grades in school and am pretty average as far as health goes.

Oh cool, the government is paying for my entire college tuition because I happen to be Native Canadian. Sweet."

Did this kid actually do anything to deserve that money? Hell no. One could think that modern minorities are just trying to cash in on shit that their people had to go through in the distant past, since nobody born in this half-century has had to put up with the persecution and suffering that their ancestors experienced.

Not that I'm agreeing with that sort of treatment, but it's a little unfair to us pasty white boys.

[Kaos]

Oh boo hoo would black people enslaving you for 200 years, asians repressing you with imperial obligations that were really no better than slavery and hispanics being treated as demons because of their govenments make everything better? How about if after that, the black people segregate you as second class citizens, the asians launch the most horrific mass destructive attack in the history of mankind on you, and then murder millions of white people on the other side of the world in a war that has nothing to do with them whilst letting the rest of you suffer in the wake of economic embargo, and the hispanics taunt and hate you from their middle class homes for breaking your back to work for pittance. And then you can have your fucking college fund and extra day off a year. Would that make everything better?

...really? that actually has no point. The point is all other races can do things that white people can't do because it makes the white people racist. White people who have nothing to do with slavery 200 years ago. Honestly, I don't care about racism. If black people can say stuff about me, I'm going to say it back. If a white person does anything in the slightest offense, it's racism, other way around there is nothing wrong with it. I think racism is a bullshit call on anything. sure, I'd pull an arab out of a lineup any day instead of a white person. I'm not being racist, thats how it works. They do that shit for their religion, not very many whites are in the same religion. If you look at all the airplane jackings and stuff of 9 11..arabs. why even lie. everyone knows that its true.

[Pachycephelosaurus]

I think that at times people turn logic into racism.

Honestly, what's so awful about grabbing obviously middle-eastern guys in the airport if they act suspiciously? Last time I checked, Islam was a middle-eastern religion. It's not racism, it's just following the obvious...

People are so worried about being P.C. and not offending anyone else that these issue never get worked out and simply lead to simmering resentment. It's fucking moronic. Nobody looks at the facts.

-Many all-black neighborhoods suffer from substandard educational systems, and this is largely because of racial oppression and segregation in the past (Thus the scholarships)
-Hispanic immigrants are immigrants, just like your grandfather/great-grandfather/whatever. America is a country for immigrants. The only natives have been fucked over multiple times
-Muslims are usually middle-eastern. Radical Muslims are trying to kill us. This does not justify unlawful detainment, but it does mean that they fit the known profile of nearly every terrorist to attempt an attack on the US
-It is not true that only whites are arrested for hate crimes: Jenna 6 anyone?

[Quadros]

...really? that actually has no point. The point is all other races can do things that white people can't do because it makes the white people racist.
Yeah, because none of the terms directed at white people carry any of the real stigma that the racist terms directed at minorities create.

White people who have nothing to do with slavery 200 years ago.
You know what, we may well not have done, but 'Nigger' does. Segregation does. The fact that the majority of black people in the USA live below the relative poverty line does. It's all residue of slavery and the resulting racism from it.

Honestly, I don't care about racism. If black people can say stuff about me, I'm going to say it back. If a white person does anything in the slightest offense, it's racism, other way around there is nothing wrong with it.
That's because racism, which you may well have nothing to do with, has none the less built white people a far better life, and black people a much worse life comparitively. Look at any community globally. The majority of white people are wealthier than the majority of black people. You're telling me there's no ingrained, structural racism anymore, that 'slavery's over'? Bullshit. So yeah, you get all offended if a black person calls you 'whitey'. Run back to your middle class home and your broadband internet access, and cry about it. And sure that guy who said that to you may well have the same now, but you cvan bet your ass that it was way more of a struggle for him or his parents to get it than it will ever be for you.

I think racism is a bullshit call on anything. sure, I'd pull an arab out of a lineup any day instead of a white person. I'm not being racist, thats how it works. They do that shit for their religion, not very many whites are in the same religion. If you look at all the airplane jackings and stuff of 9 11..arabs. why even lie. everyone knows that its true.

Oh yeah, statisitcally you're right, from recent history it suggets that muslims are more likely to hijack a plane. But you know what, white people are statistically more likely to commit fraud so I guess you don't mind the DEA checking your bank accounts and internet history including private correspondence on a daily basis. And you know the majority of serial killers are white as well, so they should get started on digging up your garden and checking your basement on a weekly basis as well. Is that cool with you?

Can you imagine the hell it must be to be muslim on a plane nowadays? The stigma you would get every time you got on a plane? You'd feel unwelcome on a national mode of transport. Oh hey, isn't that just one step away from segregation?

[clairebear47]

If your father killed and murdered someone, does that mean others should demand that you should go to prison and pay penance too?
My ancestors (Yes white people) did some shit stuff but we shouldn't be treated differently for it. It's all a giant paradox.

Fair enough with the scholarships and that kind of thing but they shouldn't be limited to just people with a certain ethnicity, it should be based on need.

You pretty much can't get a government job in NZ if you aren't Maori or from the pacific Islands, which is bullshit because what if a caucasian is better for the job?

In New Zealand it's interesting because the Maoris are the "natives" yet they immigrated here and there were already the Maori-ori's here and what did they do? They killed them off with war and cannibalism and took what would be considered their land.
England decided to get in on the action and came over, decided to offer some money and goods for land and the Maoris accepted.
Their ancestors now claim they were jipped, presumably because they weren't paid enough to keep many generations happy and now our government is paying them all off. I just think it's crap, they thought the settlement was fine at the time, and it wasn't like what happened with the Incas or the Native Americans (killing an entire population or almost doing the same).

Excuse my rant, I just think everyine should be treated the same an then when yu get to know them decide if they are a douchebag or not, not base it on what they look like.
And yes my entry will be torn to shreds but hey, don't treat me differently because I'm white.

[Quadros]

You know what, I agree, everyone should be treated as equals. But they're not. Racism is inherent in our society, that's how it is. 'The man' is statistically white, most black people are poor, these aren't problems with the people they're problems with the system we all live in. Now you can say afirmitive action, which demeans minorities' achievements and festers resentment like an open wound is bullshit, which it is, but you can't pretend that the problem it's trying to fix doesn't exist when it clearly does. And you DEFINATELY can't get butthurt when a black guy calls you cracker. And you know what, Slavery is our problem too. Because it still has an adverse effect on black people, and as long as you're proud to be American, or British, or New Zealandish (Zealandesque? I don't know I just refer to them as 'the other Austrailians OH SNAP), or Austrailian, you have to take responsisbility for all of your country, not just the good bits. So if you are proud to be who you are, you need to take responsibilities caused in getting you where you are today. And yes, I just made what might be considered to be a racist joke. But shit, since I'm not trying to hang you from a tree I guess we're cool, right?

[ShockWave]

Not that I'm agreeing with that sort of treatment, but it's a little unfair to us pasty white boys.
I know what you mean; there's a fair amount of Natives where I live.

It is kind strange how we've compensated for their ancestors losses for so long. I mean, black slaves were never really compensated for (which they should have been, in my opinion) -- once they were freed, it was basically "Hey, no hard feelings." This was after decades of slavery. During WWII, Germany's standard of living took quite a blow, and they paid us. Yet we're paying Natives to live here, after making a lot of improvements. Though maybe it was unwanted, it seems like the white race made Canada a decent place to live.

I try not to stereotype, but it makes some of them lazy. I had a Native baseball coach who once made a comment like: "You guys just gotta learn to live on welfare so you can play ball all the time." But you can't really blame him. If I was given money, I'd be less motivated to work as hard as I do.

[Quadros]

I know what you mean; there's a fair amount of Natives where I live.

It is kind strange how we've compensated for their ancestors losses for so long. I mean, black slaves were never really compensated for (which they should have been, in my opinion) -- once they were freed, it was basically "Hey, no hard feelings." This was after decades of slavery. During WWII, Germany's standard of living took quite a blow, and they paid us. Yet we're paying Natives to live here, after making a lot of improvements. Though maybe it was unwanted, it seems like the white race made Canada a decent place to live.

I try not to stereotype, but it makes some of them lazy. I had a Native baseball coach who once made a comment like: "You guys just gotta learn to live on welfare so you can play ball all the time." But you can't really blame him. If I was given money, I'd be less motivated to work as hard as I do.


Yeah but is not recompensating natives for a history of raping, slaughtering and enslaving them just so that they're equal to all the other minorities white people have systematically raped and tortured REALLY the answer?

[Derelict]

Races have been raped, slaughtered, and enslaved ever since we've been able to rape, slaughter, and enslave (and not just whites doing it to others). People now are just pussies and can't handle it.

On a more serious note; there are a lot of Natives here, too, and even though they're all literally handed college funds pre-paid in full so all they have to do is graduate high school then attend some more classes, nearly 90% don't actually use it. Almost all of them drop out and live on welfare on a reservation. There are the few exceptions who earn their own way and do get a good education, but it's rare. It's honestly hard not to be discriminatory towards a race when every bit you've been exposed to slips so easily into the stereotype. Don't get me wrong either, I'm not just a suburban white kid who only sees other white kids. Western Canada has a lot of Natives and I've met plenty enough to know why there's even a stereotype in the first place. They blame us for it, and they're pretty much right on the money, but it doesn't take considerable effort to stay in school and get a better education. It's not like they drop out to support family, they drop out just because they want to. Trying to help by providing government checks only satisfies the government by letting them think they're making a difference, but all it does is pay for the Natives' booze every month.

[ShockWave]

Yeah but is not recompensating natives for a history of raping, slaughtering and enslaving them just so that they're equal to all the other minorities white people have systematically raped and tortured REALLY the answer?
No, it's not a solution of any kind. In no way do I disagree with paying for the damage white men have done. I just think that the compensation may be superfluous. For example, one of my Native friends gets free season passes at our local ski hill, including free equipment. Things like that seem... incongruent with the realistic compensation they should get.

On a more serious note; there are a lot of Natives here, too, and even though they're all literally handed college funds pre-paid in full so all they have to do is graduate high school then attend some more classes, nearly 90% don't actually use it.

My same friend from above missed the deadline to register for free tuition, so he just didn't go to University. -.-

[Derelict]

Status Cards are what the things they use to get free stuff here are called. If you had more than 1/8th native in you, you qualify for a Status Card which exempts you from paying any taxes whatsoever. It's the sort of compensation that makes sense, but they recently lowered the amount of native blood you have to have so it's somewhere around 1/24th now. You can be so detached from Native heritage you don't even know you are one and you still get the god damn money.

[green rubber bands]

In my opinion, racism is getting worse instead of better. For instance, there have been Mexicans crossing into America since 1850, but it seems to me that it has only been recently that tensions have been flaring up.

You could also look at the obvious ones: Arabs on a plane (quick, call Samuel L. Jackson!), Black people are all criminals; but it seems to me that between the 60's and 90's, things died down a little bit, only to come roaring back at the turn of the century.

[clairebear47]

I actually laughed out loud and thought "Nice" when I read that! But for compensation for offending my country and ethnicity you could pay off my student loan, I think thats fair!

To be perfectly honest the culture that I think should have been compensated the most are the Jew's. They have been persecuted and massacred from square one. Poor bastards.

The world seems to be divided into three groups. The wonderfully stupid who are scared of people different from them and so get on the defensive.
There are then the normal people of the world that don't really let the "difference" make their lives any different.
Then there are the "smart" ones. The politicians and the rich who are just overly PC and seem to think that they are on the right track by making the differnce more pronounced.

It just annoys me that people can be so stupid.
And for the cracker reference, I call everyone cracker if they piss me off. My concept is if Black people can call other people the N word (yes I just don't like to say it because it's a disgusting word not to be PC) then I can call other white people crackers.

[Derelict]

In my opinion, racism is getting worse instead of better. For instance, there have been Mexicans crossing into America since 1850, but it seems to me that it has only been recently that tensions have been flaring up.

You could also look at the obvious ones: Arabs on a plane (quick, call Samuel L. Jackson!), Black people are all criminals; but it seems to me that between the 60's and 90's, things died down a little bit, only to come roaring back at the turn of the century.

I disagree, actually. I don't think racism has really gotten any worse, the media coverage is just getting better. There are new laws in place and we're all more aware of things that used to be considered normal. A bunch of white kids beating up one black kid in some town during the 60s would have had every one of those white kids' parents covering their asses and chances are only those living in that town would ever know. Now there's a news station in everyone's pocket with the invention of the camera phone, and if the media doesn't learn about it from police reports, they get footage sent to them within minutes. The internet has enabled us to communicate within seconds and when a story used to take days or weeks to reach the rest of the world it's now on our T.V. screens or computer screens within hours.

[Casalen]

It's pretty simple... history doesn't matter. Racism isn't about that; it's about generalizing negative stereotypes about a given ethnicity. Example: it's okay to insult whites because white people (represented here as a single entity) did bad stuff.

That said, there hasn't been enough to complain about that I've seen, and more importantly, that post is just stupid. Redneck and a few others are specific names for a demographic, it has little if anything to do with racial stuff. And I absolutely hate white pride people. Other ethnic pride people are likely just as bad, but I've yet to meet any.

[Chips]

It's pretty simple... history doesn't matter.

Huh?
I found interesting that there are almost double the amount of racist words towards black people than white in that post.

I'm half-cast, basically black. I don't care, you just gotta toughen up and ignore it.

[Hunnter]

Yeah, the double-standards in racism these days are pretty damn pathetic.
Either treat everyone equally or screw everyone equally, no favourites damn it!

And if they keep complaining about racism, start banning these "race groups" that are self-segregating, ARE YOU PEOPLE STUPID?!

Sadly racism will stay with us until everyone is one colour.
Racism is genetic at the lowest level, it's all about being around those that are similar.
While mentally you can overcome it rather easily, it can still be there without you even noticing it, such as simply having a preference for girls/boys you like (race related that is)

[Tweek]

I personally define racism as hate speech or actions against another person because of their heritage and culture.

While the bulletin posted isn't driven by hate, it is still coming from the wrong angle.
How are we supposed to get anywhere near an equal society if people use the terms 'us' and 'you' to describe different people?

We're all pink on the inside.

[Jiggz]

We recently had an issue here where a group of black journalists formed the Black Journalists Forum. At one of their meetings the head of the ANC came to give a talk. All white journalists were barred from the event.

Subsequently, many black journalists boycotted the forum, stating it is clearly racist. So even other black journalists recognised the narrow-mindedness of the forum. Yet the leaders and members continue to fight for its existence.

Racial prejudices are far from being overcome. I think racial tension will exist fro many more decades to come.

[Homemaster]

To be honest I agree totally with Quadros, they have every right and we can't really do shit. Man, I'm ok with any race, but to be honest I feel almost uncomfortable around black people. It's like I feel I'm not worthy cause of what we did...In Australia there aren'y many black people though.

There's one thing though about PC. I want to call people black and people white, asian, or hispanic. I'm not going to say African-American, because what if they're from England? Black and white. That's how I see it.

EDIT: but not in an inequality way, everyone is equal :D

[Quadros]

Yeah, the double-standards in racism these days are pretty damn pathetic.
Either treat everyone equally or screw everyone equally, no favourites damn it!

And if they keep complaining about racism, start banning these "race groups" that are self-segregating, ARE YOU PEOPLE STUPID?!

Sadly racism will stay with us until everyone is one colour.
Racism is genetic at the lowest level, it's all about being around those that are similar.
While mentally you can overcome it rather easily, it can still be there without you even noticing it, such as simply having a preference for girls/boys you like (race related that is)

I'm not going to lie, banning self segregating groups would cause more problems than answers. The whole point of these racial societies is sustaining a culture that is threatened with being swallowed by western 'white' society, and so removing them would be seen as a direct attack on those efforts. They're really no different to The SNP and Welsh and Irish Linguilism. I agree that there are inherent race issues in us all, but I'd argue that they're the result of social tensions and attitudes are aren't genetic. I'm certainally less racist than my parents, but I would attribute the basic racist feelings I notice popping up sometimes to my parents, grandparents, and the 'black male suspect' in the media. I mean it's really hard, and I hate myself for it, because I truly believe in global equality, and the idea of racism makes me nausous, but still I had my bike stolen, saw a black guy in the city center riding a bike a week later and found myself looking to make sure it wasn't mine. And I think that's fucking disgusting, because I'm not a racist guy, at all. But I'd be lying to say that I've not been affected by the inherently racist views subtly presented in our culture, and so would all of you, admit it. I mean I have a very good black friend and he's told me he gets wary around black guys at night and stuff, and he hates himself for it too.

[Tempest]

George Bush hates black people.

[Homemaster]

Everybody go and read "The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison. Then you will finally understand. A bit.

[Quadros]

Yeah you're totally right this subject can be summed up in one book. Have your ever tried forming your own opinions without relying on people who need to tell you they're smart though? I heard it's great fun.

[Homemaster]

I said read the book because I think it's good read. It's about racism, not necessarily the whole "only white people can be racist". I didn't mean that it can be summed up in one book. I never did say that. I'm saying that this book gives good insight. By the way, off topic here, is it generally agreed on that Quadros is a dick?

[Mr. Crow]

No, actually, Quadros is pretty spot on in this thread. I'm agreeing with pretty much everything that he says.

[Quadros]

I said read the book because I think it's good read. It's about racism, not necessarily the whole "only white people can be racist". I didn't mean that it can be summed up in one book. I never did say that. I'm saying that this book gives good insight. By the way, off topic here, is it generally agreed on that Quadros is a dick?


Yeah he is a dick, I especially hate how he set us all a homework assignment for this thread on an internet forum, and stated that until we read this obscure book that he's read but none of us have we would never understand the issues of racism in this society that we experiance every waking hour of every day. The way that he summed it up that he's smarter than all of us because he's read this one, isngle book that we haven't really pissed me off as well, he's such a jerk. Wait, that was Quadros who did that, right?

[Homemaster]

Yes, I agree with Quadros too, as you could read from a post above. I really do. Now he's just TRYING to be a dick. If he's inferring what I think he's inferring from my previous post, well, it can't possibly be anything other than a joke.

Now I think he's a funny bastard. I also agree with him.

EDIT: Yeah, sorry Quadros, but it's not an obscure book....seriously far from it.

[Quadros]

Ok here's what I was inferring; You are the dick. A presuptious, high minded, 'look at me I can reference all of my opinions because I didn't form them myself but that name drop was AWESOME' dick. Here's my reference (bolded for emphasis);

Everybody go and read "The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison. Then you will finally understand. A bit.

So what you did is say that our opinions are worthless for want of ignorance until we've formed them based on that book. I told you that that was a subtle mix of ingnorance, stupidity and insult. You called me a dick. you didn't say 'read the book because I think it's good read', you said read the book so 'you will finally understand' the topic being discussed.

So if you think that I was infering that you're a hypocrite who's calling someone a dick when they called you out on your own dickishness, then yeah, you're bang on and no, it's not a joke.

[Sarge51]

Why should I feel sorry for what my and your ignorant and stupid ancestors did. It's not like I raped and pillaged Indians, or tied up black people and whipped them and made them work as slaves. You're all idiots and are stuck in the past. Stop pretending like you care about the past and work on what's left today.

I agree with the original post. I'm going to start bringing back Porchmonkey.

[Quadros]

Yeah the point that you've just pointedly ignored is that minorities are still treated as second class citizens in a whole myriad of ways, and if they still want to dwell on the past, we really can't tell them to forget it, that's no different from telling Jews to forget the Holocaust. Minorities should be allowed to have cultural clubs where they celebrate their people's struggle through history. They should be allowed to hand out a college fund among themselves if the wish too, to offset their economic and social disadvantage. White people shouldn't celebrate our cultural history, because it's not being threatened and really, we have fuck all to be proud of. There are so many college grants that are officially open to all races but pretty much garenteed to a white kid that one set apart for other minorities isn't that big a deal. The point is racism still exists and we, as white people, can't get pissy when we get called the odd name, compared to everything else that's happened. That's my point.

[Pie_Dee]

I think that at times people turn logic into racism.

Honestly, what's so awful about grabbing obviously middle-eastern guys in the airport if they act suspiciously? Last time I checked, Islam was a middle-eastern religion. It's not racism, it's just following the obvious...

People are so worried about being P.C. and not offending anyone else that these issue never get worked out and simply lead to simmering resentment. It's fucking moronic. Nobody looks at the facts.

-Many all-black neighborhoods suffer from substandard educational systems, and this is largely because of racial oppression and segregation in the past (Thus the scholarships)
-Hispanic immigrants are immigrants, just like your grandfather/great-grandfather/whatever. America is a country for immigrants. The only natives have been fucked over multiple times
-Muslims are usually middle-eastern. Radical Muslims are trying to kill us. This does not justify unlawful detainment, but it does mean that they fit the known profile of nearly every terrorist to attempt an attack on the US
-It is not true that only whites are arrested for hate crimes: Jenna 6 anyone?

Firstly, the airport checks can be pretty racist. I know someone who's mother and sister were stopped because they were darker than her and her father (her mother is Asian), but her and her white father were left alone. How is that "following the obvious"? Do you really think her young sister was acting suspiciously? I have also heard a worker at an airport admit that he is more suspicious of people who look Middle-Eastern automatically without any evidence. I just wish there were more people like him who admitted that these views weren't rational and kept their hateful feelings under control.

Also, what about white Muslims? they aren't all Middle-Eastern. I happen to know a Muslim from the UK. You specified that "obviously Middle-Eastern guys" who are Muslim should be checked. It sounds to me like it's a matter of colour just as much as religion for you.

People like you think Muslims have to be terrorists because the current major terrorist groups who are affecting world superpowers have access to better technology than other previously large groups from not all that long ago, because of the speed at which we are making developments in weaponry. Therefore, they seem to be a lot worse. Have you ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan? Or the Army of God? They were both Christian terrorist organisations. Do we arrest every Christian because they fit the profile? It wouldn't be hard to find examples for any religion. It's not like the Qu'ran specifically tells Muslims to eradicate all non-believers.

I cannot believe you actually think you're the one who is suffering or has suffered discrimination.

[Pachycephelosaurus]

Firstly, the airport checks can be pretty racist. I know someone who's mother and sister were stopped because they were darker than her and her father (her mother is Asian), but her and her white father were left alone. How is that "following the obvious"? Do you really think her young sister was acting suspiciously? I have also heard a worker at an airport admit that he is more suspicious of people who look Middle-Eastern automatically without any evidence. I just wish there were more people like him who admitted that these views weren't rational and kept their hateful feelings under control.

Also, what about white Muslims? they aren't all Middle-Eastern. I happen to know a Muslim from the UK. You specified that "obviously Middle-Eastern guys" who are Muslim should be checked. It sounds to me like it's a matter of colour just as much as religion for you.

People like you think Muslims have to be terrorists because the current major terrorist groups who are affecting world superpowers have access to better technology than other previously large groups from not all that long ago, because of the speed at which we are making developments in weaponry. Therefore, they seem to be a lot worse. Have you ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan? Or the Army of God? They were both Christian terrorist organisations. Do we arrest every Christian because they fit the profile? It wouldn't be hard to find examples for any religion. It's not like the Qu'ran specifically tells Muslims to eradicate all non-believers.

I cannot believe you actually think you're the one who is suffering or has suffered discrimination.

When did I say I though all Muslims were terrorists? I said that the terrorist groups we are at war with are made up of Muslims, not that Muslims are terrorists.

Also, I'm not sure if you're aware, but children have been used as suicide bombers. Listen, I don't believe they should be unfairly discriminated against, I just think that people should take into account the fact that although not all middle-easterners are member of Al-Qaeda, nearly all members of Al-Qaeda are middle-eastern. That's NOT racism, it's just a fact.

And don't use the phrase "people like you." It makes you sound ignorant. I never said all the terrorists ever were Muslim. Don't jump to conclusions.

Finally, I never said anything at all about being discriminated against. Although I AM because I'm a Mexican-American. Go ahead, jump to some more conclusions about that.

[Pie_Dee]

Honestly, what's so awful about grabbing obviously middle-eastern guys in the airport if they act suspiciously? Last time I checked, Islam was a middle-eastern religion. It's not racism, it's just following the obvious...


I'm sorry for assuming you supported this racism and for overreacting after reading that statement, but how could you even for one second believe that people wait for evidence? That's what got me fired up in the first place.

What you don't understand, is that nobody looks at how suspiciously they act. They just look at skin tone. My friend is American and Filipino. That doesn't even look anything like a Middle-Eastern, in fact a lot of Asia doesn't. THAT'S why it is racism. I am aware of child suicide bombers, but wouldn't an Islamic organisation use Islamic children?

I know Al-Qaeda is made up of mostly those who are Middle-Eastern but that doesn't mean that the Middle-East is mostly made up of terrorists, and this is something a lot need to learn.

[ShaunAnator]

If you want to compensate those that have had wrongs done to their ancestors, almost everyone would be able to claim it.

For example me as a white Australian (with celtic ancestors). Should I be able to claim compensation from the British who forcably deported my ancestors for starving and making them slaves? Going back further should I be able to ask for compensation from the Frech after William the Conqueror took over and degraded my ancestors or from the Italian's (romans) after they invaded England and destroyed our populus?

If we are going to give out compensation shouldn't any of these claims be as well adressed as those already recieving compensation (eg. the aborigies)?

P.S. : First post.

[pure_hatred]

Shoot them all and let God sort them out.

[TangerineOrange]

I don't necessarily think that the terms that Blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities could call those who are Caucasian could really be deemed as racist. And what it ultimately comes down to is the connotation of the words used. Let's face it, the words that we think of as being derogatory towards Blacks, Hispanics, etc. are that way because of their connotation. The word "whitey" just doesn't have the same meaning. Yes, I can see (in a way), how it could be a double standard, but until words such as "whitey" start having the same connotation as the n-word, then no, they aren't derogatory.

However, I can understand why one might find it racist that there is a Black History Month or a "Pride Week" (I placed this in quotes because I know that where I live, they have one, but I'm honestly not sure if every place does), but yet there is no White History Month, or Straight Pride Week. And of course, if there were one, it would be construed that we were racist against Blacks, GLBTs, etc. I dislike this double standard, however, I highly doubt I will see it change in my life time.

What I found very interesting was a study that was done in a field of psychology. I forget the specific area, but I've gone over it in a General Psych. class, Social Psych., and Cognitive Psych. classes. Anyway, the idea is to figure out if a person has a preference for one's own race, or for another. The results were interesting. Yes, most people did prefer their own race; however, the proportion of people (among races) was different. Most Whites preferred their own race, and when each individual was told his or her results, they felt ashamed for having a preference towards themselves. About 60% of Blacks preferred their own race, and about 40% preferred Whites (overall). Blacks who preferred themselves felt extremely proud about it. I just simply found the study to be interesting, and felt like throwing it into the post.

[P0K3M0N_MA5T3R]

I couldn't care less if someone called me a cracker, or a supposed racist name. The only reason black people get offended by it is because of history, and how we used to treat them. If white people had been enslaved by blacks then it'd be the reverse.

[Toilet Rancor]

blacks and mexicans get special treatment because they're not as smart as whites. It's like how people in wheel chairs get the best parking spots. Same thing. Asians get ahead too because people think they're generally smarter than whites and we want to make sure they can afford schooling so they can do all the jobs that most people aren't smart enough to do. Besides, anything that gets a black person more money is an instant boost to the economy because you know they're going straight out to waste it all on gold plated cellphones and spinners and gold plated spinners. If you're white and you feel you're being treated unfairly, its like having a retarded brother and being jealous cause he gets to wear a helmet to school. Besides all that, I think black people should just be happy their ancestors had to be slaves cause otherwise they'd be living in that festering hole called africa right now.

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[Vin]

Shoot them all and let God sort them out.

The marilyn manson technique. Didn't work for the Nazis. Won't work now. Although it does sound pretty appealing.

[prf007]

Yeah the point that you've just pointedly ignored is that minorities are still treated as second class citizens in a whole myriad of ways, and if they still want to dwell on the past, we really can't tell them to forget it, that's no different from telling Jews to forget the Holocaust. Minorities should be allowed to have cultural clubs where they celebrate their people's struggle through history. They should be allowed to hand out a college fund among themselves if the wish too, to offset their economic and social disadvantage. White people shouldn't celebrate our cultural history, because it's not being threatened and really, we have fuck all to be proud of. There are so many college grants that are officially open to all races but pretty much garenteed to a white kid that one set apart for other minorities isn't that big a deal. The point is racism still exists and we, as white people, can't get pissy when we get called the odd name, compared to everything else that's happened. That's my point.

I agree somewhat with some of the things you mentioned. Private organizations and institutions should be able to discriminate who gets scholarships and aid. Government institutions shouldn't get involved. Even if you think you're doing the right thing by giving minorities and other discriminated groups advantages, you're only perpetuating prejudice and racism. You have to start treating everyone as equal before they can be accepted as equal, because if you don't they're obviously not equal.

[Pachycephelosaurus]

I'm sorry for assuming you supported this racism and for overreacting after reading that statement, but how could you even for one second believe that people wait for evidence? That's what got me fired up in the first place.

What you don't understand, is that nobody looks at how suspiciously they act. They just look at skin tone. My friend is American and Filipino. That doesn't even look anything like a Middle-Eastern, in fact a lot of Asia doesn't. THAT'S why it is racism. I am aware of child suicide bombers, but wouldn't an Islamic organisation use Islamic children?

I know Al-Qaeda is made up of mostly those who are Middle-Eastern but that doesn't mean that the Middle-East is mostly made up of terrorists, and this is something a lot need to learn.

I agree that the fact that most of Al-Qaeda is made up of middle-easterners is often abused and am not naive to the fact that abuses happen. All I'm arguing is the basic idea, not the way it's implemented.

[Pachycephelosaurus]

blacks and mexicans get special treatment because they're not as smart as whites. It's like how people in wheel chairs get the best parking spots. Same thing. Asians get ahead too because people think they're generally smarter than whites and we want to make sure they can afford schooling so they can do all the jobs that most people aren't smart enough to do. Besides, anything that gets a black person more money is an instant boost to the economy because you know they're going straight out to waste it all on gold plated cellphones and spinners and gold plated spinners. If you're white and you feel you're being treated unfairly, its like having a retarded brother and being jealous cause he gets to wear a helmet to school. Besides all that, I think black people should just be happy their ancestors had to be slaves cause otherwise they'd be living in that festering hole called africa right now.

Sorry for the double post, but I just caught this.

The staggering idiocy behind this post is just... Unbelievable. I thought that you had to be illiterate to have such stupid opinions, but apparently you're the exception.

Do you honestly believe blacks and Mexicans are less intelligent than other races/nationalities (Mexican isn't a race, fuckhead, and we're talking about racism)? What year were you born, 1846? Do you even participate in your culture? Do you have ANY idea how many highly educated and intelligent minorities there are? It has nothing to do with race. Your fucking skin color does not affect your brain cells.

Every race has intelligent people and idiotic people. It's just that the idiots are normally most vocal. Why don't you get your head out of your fucking ass and look around you? You just might realize how much of a prick you are.

[Vin]

blacks and mexicans get special treatment because they're not as smart as whites. It's like how people in wheel chairs get the best parking spots. Same thing. Asians get ahead too because people think they're generally smarter than whites and we want to make sure they can afford schooling so they can do all the jobs that most people aren't smart enough to do. Besides, anything that gets a black person more money is an instant boost to the economy because you know they're going straight out to waste it all on gold plated cellphones and spinners and gold plated spinners. If you're white and you feel you're being treated unfairly, its like having a retarded brother and being jealous cause he gets to wear a helmet to school. Besides all that, I think black people should just be happy their ancestors had to be slaves cause otherwise they'd be living in that festering hole called africa right now.

Jesus. That's far beyond racism. I hope to fuck you were being sarcastic. Otherwise you are a complete and utter scrad and belong with the shaved heads of the nationalistic neo-nazis of the 80s.

[SuEsq]

Dude, I just got 2,240 back on EIC Federal taxes, and that's going to ma gold plated 100 spokes, Daytons yo.
I'm white.

[Dabamash]

We have a teacher at our college who is muslim. She started accusing somebody of being racist when they clearly weren't. He said that she was being recist by accusing him of being racist. Her excuse was that racism is only racism if it is a white person sayin it. It's a load of shit in my opinion, racism has become a tool for anybody that isn't white to get their way.

[Picklor]

The problem wih paying compensation is the question of where to stop. OK, so we're going to give black people whose ancestors were enslaved some money, and native americans, and aboriginies...
What about the descendants of the ancient Celts? Should we find everyone who has some Celtish blood in them? Should the Roman Catholic church pay compensation to every Arab in the world for the Crusades? Should every man in the world be forced to give money to all the women, considering that they've been oppressed since the dawn of time?
At the end of the day, affirmative action and compensation achieve very little because they're only another type of racialism, which leads invariably to racism.
There doesn't seem to me to be anything that we can do to even out the playing field, but we should still take hope from the fact that things are continually improving. A hundred years ago in America serious scientific studies were claiming that all black people were fundamentally mentally retarded. Now the most influential woman in the US is black, and by the end of the year the most powerful man in the world could be black.
So, after contradicting myself a little, the conclusion of my somewhat confused post is that change will probably come, but we can't force it.

PS - And white people should be a little more mature than to be offended by being called 'sage'. Which is an insult that's new to me.

[Vin]

Dude, I just got 2,240 back on EIC Federal taxes, and that's going to ma gold plated 100 spokes, Daytons yo.
I'm white.

Whiter than mayonnaise, my man.

[CCCP_Guy]

I would agree, but you have to remember, the "white man" suppressed all of the people mentioned. I think that lends some merit to the seemingly disparate treatment, even today.

Actually black people have supressed white people to but it was a long time ago, Egypt was a big power back in the day, and they had WHITE slaves. Black people enslaved white people before white people enslaved black people, to me racism is a joke, everyone thinks their own race is better then some one elses, and its normal, but when people try to bring history into it (like black people were slaves, so we need to respec them and give them all this free stuff) everythign goes crazy. Black people were slaves a long time ago, isn't it good enough that they aren't slaves anymore?

[Toilet Rancor]

black people in africa do worse things to each other than white people could ever do. Shit I think i'd rather be a slave in america than live in africa.

[Cocktapus]

What you don't understand, is that nobody looks at how suspiciously they act. They just look at skin tone. My friend is American and Filipino. That doesn't even look anything like a Middle-Eastern, in fact a lot of Asia doesn't. THAT'S why it is racism. I am aware of child suicide bombers, but wouldn't an Islamic organisation use Islamic children?

I know Al-Qaeda is made up of mostly those who are Middle-Eastern but that doesn't mean that the Middle-East is mostly made up of terrorists, and this is something a lot need to learn.

What you don't understand is that the average airport security guard doesn't understand, or care about, this. It works basically like car insurance: everyone is grouped by race, gender, age etc based on history of that particular group.
Do you honestly believe that people who act suspicious won't be stopped?

[Vin]

black people in africa do worse things to each other than white people could ever do. Shit I think i'd rather be a slave in america than live in africa.

So, what? You're saying that all black Africans are savages who kill each other for japes? And white people are stiff-upper lip naive anal pansies? But you live in the present day? I'm confused.:ahe:

[BKS]

If only the Native thing was the same here in America. My mother's grandmother was 100% Cherokee, so I'm far closer than 1/24.

The main problem is, people hear sterotypes, then end up meeting someone who fits it, and they assume that it's true.

[Marijuana]

Oh boo hoo would black people enslaving you for 200 years, asians repressing you with imperial obligations that were really no better than slavery and hispanics being treated as demons because of their govenments make everything better? How about if after that, the black people segregate you as second class citizens, the asians launch the most horrific mass destructive attack in the history of mankind on you, and then murder millions of white people on the other side of the world in a war that has nothing to do with them whilst letting the rest of you suffer in the wake of economic embargo, and the hispanics taunt and hate you from their middle class homes for breaking your back to work for pittance. And then you can have your fucking college fund and extra day off a year. Would that make everything better?

Just wanted to point out: You're talking about America, not white people in general.

On topic: Yes it's true. White people get called racist more often than black people, becouse for some reason, many people think racism is white poeple hating other people for their race. It's whenever somebody hates a race. Even if I say all white people suck (I'm white), it would be racism.

[John Travolta]

I think I would have a clearer perspective if I owned a slave.

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[SealPunter]

I was intrigued by the title of this thread, yet when I read the opening post and those that followed, I realized how confused today's people have become with their definitions or beliefs of what is racist and what isn't. Racism is NOT the hate of another race, it is the idea that everyone who belongs, or shares that race with others all have the same thoughts, characteristics, and abilities, no matter how different they may seem. It is not always a supported idea due to how many consider other races inferior, while racism does not merely back that idea or belief; it also homes the ideas of viewing other races as being superior, whether it be through intelligence, appearance, or health.

Someone is not racist because they start fucking organizations to bring their fellow members of whichever race together, thats PRIDE. Martin Luther King day is the most ridiculous thing posted on that Myspace bulletin. It isn't RACIST because it is about a black person, it is mourning the loss of one of the LEAST racist person this world has seen.

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[potolife]

Well I agree with a lot of that. Unfortunately, modern white people can't be and aren't responsible for things that happened decades and centuries ago. I know that all cultures and races deserve to have pride, but if that goes for minorities it needs to go for majorities too. I don't think all races can exist in peace until they're ALL treated equally. That means they have the same opportunities as well as benefits. It seems, though, that a lot of people out there still consider the "white man" an oppressor, so any show of pride is just written of as racism.

[Derelict]

I think I would have a clearer perspective if I owned a slave.

Clearer windows, too.

[Allen]

The things is, white people don't get any special treatment because being white is already so great!

But when it comes down to it, as far as government, college, and other situations go, no one should have better treatment. If blacks are allowed the NAACP, the whites should be allowed an equal organization, however necessary or not. The thing about equality isn't to give some minorities a leg up on whites, it's to make everyone equal.

So shut the fuck up Quadros.

Also, these blacks you speak of living below the poverty line... Have you ever met any of them? I have. they're the most unmotivated sacks of shit out there. They're fucking stupid fucks that think the world is owed to them because their ancestors were slaves. They choose not to advance themselves. It is rarely a situation of being unable to do anything to better their position. It's usually laze. I've met blacks that have come from the same shitty conditions as these folks, yet have managed to pull themselves up from it.

The thing is, until I can have all the same institutions as a black, hispanic, or Asian, it's fucking racism, and a broken system.

[SealPunter]

The thing is, until I can have all the same institutions as a black, hispanic, or Asian, it's fucking racism, and a broken system.

A broken system, yes.

Racism, no.

[Casalen]

So discriminating based on ethnicity is not racism.

Thanks for clarifying, SealPunter.

And to the person who responded to me on the last page: history doesn't matter in the context of defining what is or isn't racism. If you're going to quote me, don't just take the first part.

[SealPunter]

How is Martin Luther Kind Jr Remembrance day fucking discrimination? are you retarded?

[Mr. Crow]

How is Martin Luther Kind Jr Remembrance day fucking discrimination? are you retarded?

He's responding to your later post, you idiot.

[Corcho]

blacks and mexicans get special treatment because they're not as smart as whites.

asshole

http://cbe.ivic.ve/enlace1hfm.html

Im half Caucasian and half Latin, also my grandfather is a person of color

[blltmssgy]

To be perfectly honest the culture that I think should have been compensated the most are the Jew's. They have been persecuted and massacred from square one. Poor bastards.

First off, thank you. I think my rabbi said this perfectly last night at our seder. He said this holiday is just like any other, they tried to kill us, now let's eat.

Seriously? All of the other races have the right to complain, but consider this:
Being slaves for 400 years.
Getting kicked out of essentially every country in Europe. (It wasn't even legal to be Jewish in Europe until the past 200-300 yeras)
The Inquisition.
The Diaspora.
The Holocaust.
Incidents like Leo Frank (basically a Jewish man who gets lynched for a crime a black man committed in the heart of the south in the beginning of the 1900s).
Endless amounts of racism dating back from Roman times.

Do you see us asking for compensation? No.

To the college aid thing. Yes, white people basically have it. Let me put it this way, being "white" isn't that much of a race. White people have divided themselves nationally. I'm sure in Europe, if you go to college in your country or province, you get a discount. I know here in my state in the US, if you have a 3.0 average you can go to college for free. Guess what, the US is predominantly white, and the recipients of this scholarship (The Hope) are even more predominantly white. I am currently looking at a school in New York and it has countless amounts of scholarships for people who live in the county of that school, which chances are is over 90% white. For white folk, its more of a nationalistic kind of scholarship rather than an ethnic one.

And the whole thing with the hate names is that the ones towards white people don't have a history of oppression behind them. If someone called me a "honkey," it wouldn't matter to me, because seriously, what weight does that hold? But you can be damn sure that if someone calls me a "kike" and they mean it, you will have to pry me off them or wait until they are unconscious.

[Pie_Dee]

What you don't understand is that the average airport security guard doesn't understand, or care about, this. It works basically like car insurance: everyone is grouped by race, gender, age etc based on history of that particular group.
Do you honestly believe that people who act suspicious won't be stopped?

Maybe I didn't word myself well enough. I meant that others are also stopped, not just those who act suspiciously.

[Vin]

Racism is NOT the hate of another race, it is the idea that everyone who belongs, or shares that race with others all have the same thoughts, characteristics, and abilities, no matter how different they may seem.

That sounds like the definition of a stereotype to me, rather than a racist.
I'd define racism as the hate of a race who all share similar physical/religious characteristics (or whatever, just something in common, based on race/ethnicity. I'm not too articulate here.) for an innate reason, usually a hatred stemming from a particular stereotype.

For example, xenophobic racism; 'I hate all polish immigrants'. Stereotype; 'All polish immigrants are lazy bums'.*

So, both ideas run parallel but are distinctly different.


*These do not represent my actual views, it's just what I heard someone say on the bus the other day.

[Aussie Wristlock]

I couldn't care less if someone called me a cracker, or a supposed racist name. The only reason black people get offended by it is because of history, and how we used to treat them. If white people had been enslaved by blacks then it'd be the reverse.

These two words are the basis of what troubles me with "racism."

"We" didn't do anything. I've never had a slave, and I don't know of anybody who has. Likewise, "them;" I've never known any race of any person alive today who has ever been a slave. Did the whole world suddenly start believing in reincarnation?

I'm sure many people have the same notion, but this post just lead into my issue. It isn't "We" and "them," it was people in the past. The poster who said about compensating for all other historical tragedies in spot on, in my eyes. It just seems easier to cry "foul" or in this case "racist," given the overly-PC world of today.

[Mr. Crow]

First off, thank you. I think my rabbi said this perfectly last night at our seder. He said this holiday is just like any other, they tried to kill us, now let's eat.

Seriously? All of the other races have the right to complain, but consider this:
Being slaves for 400 years.
Getting kicked out of essentially every country in Europe. (It wasn't even legal to be Jewish in Europe until the past 200-300 yeras)
The Inquisition.
The Diaspora.
The Holocaust.
Incidents like Leo Frank (basically a Jewish man who gets lynched for a crime a black man committed in the heart of the south in the beginning of the 1900s).
Endless amounts of racism dating back from Roman times.

Ugh, christ. I'm Jewish, and I can't stand the amount of whining you people do.

1. In fact, the Jews were not slave in Egypt. All the evidence points to the Jewish people actually being the wealthy, merchant class. In fact, much evidence points to the Jews originating from Egypt originally. There is no evidence that there were any tribes of Israel.

2. There was a lot of persecution against many different religions in Europe. Jews were not lone martyrs for unfair persecution.

3. The inquisition was not focused on the Jews, you idiot. Anyone who was considered a heretic or a believer in another faith was persecuted. This also included the Jews. Stop making it seem as if we're the only people in the world who have been the subject of injustices.

4. Yeah, not very familiar with that.

5. No objections there. But again, we're not the only people who have suffered. Remember the death fields of Pol Pot? Or the mass graves under the rule of Stalin?

6. Are you seriously, seriously, implying that Jews were more persecuted than blacks in the deep south during the 1900s? Because that's what you're implying. And that's wholly retarded.

7. Yeah, the Romans treated us shitty. But, heh, guess what? That's our fault. You know how the Maccabees are hailed for organizing resistance against the religious persecution of the Greeks? Well, were you ever told how the Greeks had let us come back into the country after they claimed it, because we had been forced out by the previous ruling military? How about that the Greeks had NOT persecuted the religious faith of Judaism, rather they had simply made all of the temples free for worship by anyone. Yeah, the Maccabees were pissed off because the Greeks were letting anyone use "their" temples for worship. So you know what the Maccabees did? They brutally revolted.

Say, how did those Maccabees happen to beat the Greek-Syrian army, which was a lot bigger and stronger? That's something, right?

The Maccabees received aid from the Romans. Then they had a festival for eight days in honor of the Sukkot. Of course, the Romans swooped right in after the Greeks were driven out, and hello hundreds of years of persecution.

Later, Jewish leaders would change the story around to make it about the uprising against religious persecution, and make up a whole thing about the oil lasting for seven days. That, of course, if the holiday of Hanukkah.

Great, huh?

[prf007]

First off, thank you. I think my rabbi said this perfectly last night at our seder. He said this holiday is just like any other, they tried to kill us, now let's eat.

Seriously? All of the other races have the right to complain, but consider this:
Being slaves for 400 years.
Getting kicked out of essentially every country in Europe. (It wasn't even legal to be Jewish in Europe until the past 200-300 yeras)
The Inquisition.
The Diaspora.
The Holocaust.
Incidents like Leo Frank (basically a Jewish man who gets lynched for a crime a black man committed in the heart of the south in the beginning of the 1900s).
Endless amounts of racism dating back from Roman times.

Do you see us asking for compensation? No.

To the college aid thing. Yes, white people basically have it. Let me put it this way, being "white" isn't that much of a race. White people have divided themselves nationally. I'm sure in Europe, if you go to college in your country or province, you get a discount. I know here in my state in the US, if you have a 3.0 average you can go to college for free. Guess what, the US is predominantly white, and the recipients of this scholarship (The Hope) are even more predominantly white. I am currently looking at a school in New York and it has countless amounts of scholarships for people who live in the county of that school, which chances are is over 90% white. For white folk, its more of a nationalistic kind of scholarship rather than an ethnic one.

And the whole thing with the hate names is that the ones towards white people don't have a history of oppression behind them. If someone called me a "honkey," it wouldn't matter to me, because seriously, what weight does that hold? But you can be damn sure that if someone calls me a "kike" and they mean it, you will have to pry me off them or wait until they are unconscious.

I agree, Jews have had it pretty rough. I work at a Jewish retirement home as a server in their dining hall, it's very upscale and they all live their independently without aid so they're not insane or pissing themselves. Anyways, I have to say every single one of them is absolutely racist towards blacks. It's arguable that they're racist from living in a different time period but it still serves the point that even minorities are racist. I also had to kick some daft lady out of Elijah's chair...

[Kaos]

That's because racism, which you may well have nothing to do with, has none the less built white people a far better life, and black people a much worse life comparitively. Look at any community globally. The majority of white people are wealthier than the majority of black people. You're telling me there's no ingrained, structural racism anymore, that 'slavery's over'? Bullshit. So yeah, you get all offended if a black person calls you 'whitey'. Run back to your middle class home and your broadband internet access, and cry about it. And sure that guy who said that to you may well have the same now, but you cvan bet your ass that it was way more of a struggle for him or his parents to get it than it will ever be for you.
My middle class home.. Because you definitely know my life. I am actually a ton poorer than you would think. I've almost lost my house numerous times. My mom works tons of hours and my dad barely ever works. I am not even middle class, I'm lower than that. Thank you judging what I'm not. We have 4 kids in our house that all need clothes and food. We live paycheck to paycheck, paying off house payments, insurance, we have food stamps...etc. Don't you ever fucking tell me that every single black person has a worse life than me. I am living just how some "poor black people" live too. I know what it's like, but I could be wrong, what do I know...you said I was middle class.


Oh yeah, statisitcally you're right, from recent history it suggets that muslims are more likely to hijack a plane. But you know what, white people are statistically more likely to commit fraud so I guess you don't mind the DEA checking your bank accounts and internet history including private correspondence on a daily basis. And you know the majority of serial killers are white as well, so they should get started on digging up your garden and checking your basement on a weekly basis as well. Is that cool with you?

Can you imagine the hell it must be to be muslim on a plane nowadays? The stigma you would get every time you got on a plane? You'd feel unwelcome on a national mode of transport. Oh hey, isn't that just one step away from segregation?
Ya know what, go ahead and search my "garden", I don't have one. Go ahead and check my bank account. Them checking all my shit doesn't bother me, I haven't done anything wrong. I can see if they started thinking that every white person committed fraud that they would start profiling. Whatever, do it, technically they already profile me, I'm a teenager. At the smaller stores around here you aren't allowed to have more than 4 or so teenagers at a time because they think that shit will be stolen, profiling and I'm white. Yeah, already happens, bud. But you can still bet your ass that everyone is more afraid of a muslim getting on a plane, or passing a group of "gangsta" black people than standing in a closed room with no windows with a mob of white people.

[Quadros]

My middle class home.. Because you definitely know my life. I am actually a ton poorer than you would think. I've almost lost my house numerous times. My mom works tons of hours and my dad barely ever works. I am not even middle class, I'm lower than that. Thank you judging what I'm not. We have 4 kids in our house that all need clothes and food. We live paycheck to paycheck, paying off house payments, insurance, we have food stamps...etc. Don't you ever fucking tell me that every single black person has a worse life than me. I am living just how some "poor black people" live too. I know what it's like, but I could be wrong, what do I know...you said I was middle class.
Way to miss the point by a huge margin. My point was that the 'white man stereotype' kicks the shit out of the 'black man stereotype'. And ok within that i made the assumption that it was true, and I was wrong, whatever, my pint doesn't get any weaker for it. What, you're upset because you get called richer than you are? That leads me to my second point;


Ya know what, go ahead and search my "garden", I don't have one. Go ahead and check my bank account. Them checking all my shit doesn't bother me, I haven't done anything wrong.
You know it would bother you if someone invasivly searched your property, don't bullshit.
I can see if they started thinking that every white person committed fraud that they would start profiling. Whatever, do it, technically they already profile me, I'm a teenager. At the smaller stores around here you aren't allowed to have more than 4 or so teenagers at a time because they think that shit will be stolen, profiling and I'm white. Yeah, already happens, bud. But you can still bet your ass that everyone is more afraid of a muslim getting on a plane, or passing a group of "gangsta" black people than standing in a closed room with no windows with a mob of white people.

So what you're saying is 'well I'm profiled so everyone else should be too'? Yeah ok, let's sort everyone into nice little boxes based on race and age and then treat them differently based on that. Hell maybe we could have them all sat on different parts of the fucking bus? I'm not calling you a racist, I'm just making two points. One, having been a victim both of discriminatiory profiling and apparently the segregated society that keeps the rich rich and the poor poor (Let me guess, you parents were born and raised in a poor area and never had access to satisfactory schools, meaning that no matter how hard they worked they would never really have a chance at being comfortably affluent?), you should be leading the charge AGAINST these things.

Secondly, exactly, we don't discriminate against everyone. For example, the arab on the plane might be a reasonably devot upper middle class family man, perhaps a doctor or a lawyer, or a member of the clergy. He leads his family in humble religious worship and attends service weekly. Now if this guy was white he'd be a fucking polititician, and you'd have no complaints being seated next to him on the plane. Bust stick a turban on him and he's demonised. Exactly the same guy, but of a different colour. And you think that's ok?

Corporate fraud costs America more than all the other crimes combined annually. A far higher percentage of of white collor workers commit it than muslims in America do terrorism. So why is it that when you're introduced to your new boss you don't assume he's skimming thousands, perhaps millions from the ompany and leading you to financial ruin, but you get automatically apprehensive whenever you see a muslim at an airport?

[Kaos]

Way to miss the point by a huge margin. My point was that the 'white man stereotype' kicks the shit out of the 'black man stereotype'. And ok within that i made the assumption that it was true, and I was wrong, whatever, my pint doesn't get any weaker for it. What, you're upset because you get called richer than you are? That leads me to my second point;



You know it would bother you if someone invasivly searched your property, don't bullshit.


So what you're saying is 'well I'm profiled so everyone else should be too'? Yeah ok, let's sort everyone into nice little boxes based on race and age and then treat them differently based on that. Hell maybe we could have them all sat on different parts of the fucking bus? I'm not calling you a racist, I'm just making two points. One, having been a victim both of discriminatiory profiling and apparently the segregated society that keeps the rich rich and the poor poor (Let me guess, you parents were born and raised in a poor area and never had access to satisfactory schools, meaning that no matter how hard they worked they would never really have a chance at being comfortably affluent?), you should be leading the charge AGAINST these things.

Secondly, exactly, we don't discriminate against everyone. For example, the arab on the plane might be a reasonably devot upper middle class family man, perhaps a doctor or a lawyer, or a member of the clergy. He leads his family in humble religious worship and attends service weekly. Now if this guy was white he'd be a fucking polititician, and you'd have no complaints being seated next to him on the plane. Bust stick a turban on him and he's demonised. Exactly the same guy, but of a different colour. And you think that's ok?

Corporate fraud costs America more than all the other crimes combined annually. A far higher percentage of of white collor workers commit it than muslims in America do terrorism. So why is it that when you're introduced to your new boss you don't assume he's skimming thousands, perhaps millions from the ompany and leading you to financial ruin, but you get automatically apprehensive whenever you see a muslim at an airport?

No, wouldn't really bother me. Whatever though, you are clearly the master of racism and know every pigeon hole. You are like this guy on staff at my school, he turns every little issue into a racism issue when clearly it isn't. I won't argue with him, so I may as well not argue with you. You won't change your mind and I won't change mine. Let's agree to disagree.

[misc]

Will people stop saying 'history doesn't matter; I didn't own a slave'
Let's ignore the fact that you probably would love to own one if you could, and just get down to the fact that it is completely fucking irrelevant whether you owned a slave or not. 'Black pride' isn't around to punish the 'white man'. It was formed out of neccesity as a way of motivating the black community of America into actually doing something about the appalling inequality during the 20th century. There were a couple of laws passed during the 60s aimed at reducing this inequality, but, de facto, very little change, which I'm sure you'd agree would be pretty frustrating, and so the black pride movement grew stronger, and there were more and more groups dedicated solely to black people.

That is why it is not racist for these groups to exist: They were set up out of necesity, because black people in America were treated like animals for the best part of two centuries, so it's pretty fucking immature, and frankly, embarrassing, to start whining about not being able to start up 'white only' groups. The only reason you want to is out of spite.

As for the whole racist names thing, I almost feel like that is too stupid to even warrant discussion. Words like the ones beggining with 'N' and 'C' have a lot of ugly, ugly connotations, so, yeah they're a lot more racist than 'cracker', which, lets face it, doesn't really mean anything.

[Quadros]

No, wouldn't really bother me. Whatever though, you are clearly the master of racism and know every pigeon hole. You are like this guy on staff at my school, he turns every little issue into a racism issue when clearly it isn't. I won't argue with him, so I may as well not argue with you. You won't change your mind and I won't change mine. Let's agree to disagree.

I'm not calling you a racist

Yeah I see what you mean, the resemblence is uncanny. :indiff:

[Clerlic]

I live in Finland and we don't have any funds for black people or foreigners, mainly because there aren't that many of them as in USA. Although some of do them try to copy from the USA and go around calling white people racists if they think they're treated unfairly, it's quite rare because nobody really cares. Also I remember a few years ago an arab kid called the teacher a racist for giving him bad grades and the teacher was like "WHAT DID YOU CALL ME??" and made him apologize. Calling someone a racist can also be considered pretty offensive.

[Quadros]

Yeah I knid of feel that to me, a black guy calling me a racist is like me using the N word at him. It has exactly the same impact, for exactly the same reasons.

[Allen]

The thing is, no one in my family ever owned slaves. My family came over during the potato famine and have remained lower middle-class Irish Catholics ever since. I don't owe anyone anything. Hell, my ancestors were treated poorly in the US as well, but I don't feel like anyone owes me anything. Granted it wasn't as bad of a prejudice as it was against the blacks. But my point of not owing anyone anything still stands. And neither does a government full of officials that weren't any part of anything back then.

My middle class home.. [I'm Poor!]

[I don't care about my rights as long as they take 'em away from them coloreds too.]

Jesus Helios Christ, get off of my side of this argument. You miss points and are bad at making yours. You don't too much know what you're talking about at all.

[Akvod]

Although I hate affirmative action, and certainly don't agree with reparatation, how long is it until a government dosen't owe anything?

Take for example the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Lots of people lost their jobs, homes, property, and entire way of life because of prejudices and irrational fear. Although I think that the reparation didn't cover the whole cost, the point is that the government felt obligated enough to repay these folks.

I probably wouldn't demand the government to repay the ancestors of those Japanese-Americans a 100 years later (although 50 might be close enough), but I do think that it's inexecusable if the government just let those American citizens out, and just said "sorry" without reparation.

So how long does it take until it's acceptable for the government to not hold its or its ancestor's actions accountable?

[RessXalcor]

I remember in my 6th grade summer going onto 7th grade, My school had this summer camp thing and I ended up fighting with this black kid and my teacher pulled me aside and called me a racist.
I was like WTF?!!! My skin was a LITTLE lighter than that asshole and Im being called an asshole? I happen to be Puerto Rican which means I am far from white.
Those whole concept of black people having the right to call whoever they want a racist is just poppycock.

AND THE MOST ANNOYING PERSON IN THE WORLD Al Sharpton- That's right seriously sit the fuck down AL SHARPTON not everyone who's skin is white is a racist

[Allen]

Fact is, Al Sharpton is the biggest fucking racist to ever walk planet earth and he needs to choke and fucking die.

[RessXalcor]

I really still can't believe that Kramer is getting(or almost got, Dont really know) sued for calling the Hecklers what they really are, I felt more sorry for Michael Richards than all the blacks who got offended. I mean this man for the rest of his life will only be known as one thing Kramer. And Al Sharpton didn't help anything.

Whenever there is a An AfroAmerican(?) in trouble never fear Al Sharpton is here!

[Aussie Wristlock]

You know what I liken this to? Dogs.

Do you walk up to all random dogs on the street and start patting them? No, you do it with caution usually, and you go by which breed of dog is statistically known for having a certain behaviour. Rottweiler? No thanks. But hey, maybe that one rottie wasn't going to bite you, so you're a racist prick now. That's the same logic that is put in play with races.

Yes it's unfortunate that a minority can taint the name of one group, but at some stage it's not racism; it's practicality. If it's statistically proven that the majority of a certain behaviour is exhibited by a specific group, then you'll use your logic and be cautious. That's where some of those 'racist' decisions come from; pure practicality, based on probability. People can be racist, but mathematics can't. Neither can statistics or demographics. Assumptions are a survival tactic, and race just falls into that category, unfortunately.

[Quadros]

You know what I liken this to? Dogs.

Do you walk up to all random dogs on the street and start patting them? No, you do it with caution usually, and you go by which breed of dog is statistically known for having a certain behaviour. Rottweiler? No thanks. But hey, maybe that one rottie wasn't going to bite you, so you're a racist prick now. That's the same logic that is put in play with races.


...So all minorities are animals? That's really no exageration to what you're doing here. The thing about people is that they have moral and human sentience. Dogs are dogs, they're not culturally or principally capable. People are. I don't pet dogs because they're vicious fucking animals. I don't talk to strangers on the street without cause because 1. I'd never get anywhere, 2. I don't want to come across as a fucking maniac (outside of the internet), and 3. I honestly don't give a shit about any of them, white, black, hispanic, I don't care, I've got music to listen to and my own glory to bask in.

[Pachycephelosaurus]

This thread is causing Michael Eric Dyson to roll over in his grave, and he isn't even fucking dead yet.

The issue with African-Americans is that their current social standing is a result of a hundred some-odd years of a society created in opposition to them. They have been systematically repressed and disadvantaged. It's only VERY recently that overt racism has started to fade, but it's still ingrained into many aspects of the system of America.

It's naive to think we can just ignore race. Ignoring a problem just leads to simmering resentment that eventually turns to violence. People need to face the fact that blacks in the US have been royally fucked over and are STILL affected by it. Slavery is over, but not it's effects. Have you ever heard of the doll test? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqSFqnUFOns)

[Allen]

This thread is causing Michael Eric Dyson to roll over in his grave, and he isn't even fucking dead yet.

The issue with African-Americans is that their current social standing is a result of a hundred some-odd years of a society created in opposition to them. They have been systematically repressed and disadvantaged. It's only VERY recently that overt racism has started to fade, but it's still ingrained into many aspects of the system of America.

It's naive to think we can just ignore race. Ignoring a problem just leads to simmering resentment that eventually turns to violence. People need to face the fact that blacks in the US have been royally fucked over and are STILL affected by it. Slavery is over, but not it's effects. Have you ever heard of the doll test? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqSFqnUFOns)

Do you have any sense of what's going on in the world? All of this sounds good and reasonable when you're just kicking it around in your head, but once you're out there dealing with different races everyday, you see that it simply isn't true.

While history should never be forgotten, for true equality there should be no reparations. There should be no advantages for anyone. With public education, minorities have just as much advantage as any white person. This is clearly visible in the fact that the percentage of minorities in the corporate world is relatively proportionate to the percentile in the population.

And I honestly stand by the fact that most blacks living below the poverty line are just lazy or they're dumb fucks. Not all, some are disadvantaged, but for the most part, it really is their fault. I've met blacks who have risen from poverty to be very successful. And it's not like they had to work a shit load harder than successful whites from similar positions.

[Pachycephelosaurus]

Do you have any sense of what's going on in the world? All of this sounds good and reasonable when you're just kicking it around in your head, but once you're out there dealing with different races everyday, you see that it simply isn't true.

While history should never be forgotten, for true equality there should be no reparations. There should be no advantages for anyone. With public education, minorities have just as much advantage as any white person. This is clearly visible in the fact that the percentage of minorities in the corporate world is relatively proportionate to the percentile in the population.

And I honestly stand by the fact that most blacks living below the poverty line are just lazy or they're dumb fucks. Not all, some are disadvantaged, but for the most part, it really is their fault. I've met blacks who have risen from poverty to be very successful. And it's not like they had to work a shit load harder than successful whites from similar positions.

First of all, I was born and raised in the ghetto of Los Angeles. I've done more than "kick it around in my head."

And I didn't say a single word about reparations; that was pure assumption on your part. I said that the US' culture and social networks are inherently racist because they developed that way. I don't think people need to be given money for something they themselves never experienced, I think that people need to be reeducated. I think that racism needs to be addressed rather than ignored, and that black people need to come to a point where they can gain an appreciation for their cultural history.

As for your last point, that's a somewhat ignorant thing to say. Blacks living under the poverty line are raised believing in their worthlessness, the impossibility that they will ever achieve anything meaningful in life, an an inherent colorism that keeps them from striving for anything more than just getting by. It's like a story I recently heard about a judge telling a black teen that because he isn't yet 16 he won't go to jail, and the teen responding that he'd rather be in jail than back in the ghetto.

Fuck reparations and fuck affirmative action. As a minority myself, both of those concepts strike me as patronizing and unnecessary. The only solution to our problems will come through social reform.

[Aussie Wristlock]

...So all minorities are animals? That's really no exageration to what you're doing here. The thing about people is that they have moral and human sentience. Dogs are dogs, they're not culturally or principally capable. People are. I don't pet dogs because they're vicious fucking animals. I don't talk to strangers on the street without cause because 1. I'd never get anywhere, 2. I don't want to come across as a fucking maniac (outside of the internet), and 3. I honestly don't give a shit about any of them, white, black, hispanic, I don't care, I've got music to listen to and my own glory to bask in.

It's an analogy, sure, it's an exaggeration and it's simplifying it to animals. Of course not all humans are the dangerous sort, or the shady sort, but these are who we're concerned with here, across different demographics. Just like any other analogy, however, it's not literal, so of course I'm not saying "MINORITIES ARE ANIMALS".

In fact, it's animalistic in theory only, because as I said, it's a survival method to recognise patterns in the past - such as the repeating or dominant 'shady' behaviour of a certain demographic - and to act accordingly in the future to reduce your own risk.

[Quadros]

It's an analogy, sure, it's an exaggeration and it's simplifying it to animals. Just like any other analogy, however, it's not literal, so of course I'm not saying "MINORITIES ARE ANIMALS".

In fact, it's animalistic in theory only, because as I said, it's a survival method to recognise patterns in the past - such as the repeating or dominant 'shady' behaviour of a certain demographic - and to act accordingly in the future to reduce your own risk.

Yeah but the analogy had no relevence to the situation unless you think about it in inherently racist terms.

[Aussie Wristlock]

Yeah but the analogy had no relevence to the situation unless you think about it in inherently racist terms.

Assumptions might not be nice, but it's a survival method to recognise patterns in the past - such as the repeating or dominant 'shady' behaviour of a certain demographic - and to act accordingly in the future to reduce your own risk. Stereotypes/assumptions/'racism,' whether it's good or bad, nice or not, true or untrue, are sometimes just a survival method born out of fear/practicality/statistics.

I might not be understanding what your point is, so if you can explain to me the flaw in my logic above, I'll happily reconsider my opinion. As it stands, I don't understand a problem with my viewpoint.

[Quadros]

My point is that you avoid dogs in the street because you don't knwo them, and as animals they're unable to differenciate between right and wrong, and at the end of the day have predatory instincts. You avoid ritties not because of their reputation but because they're physically threatening animals, and could do you serious injury. People have the ability to make moral choices and are your equals, so you don't make your judgement about them in the way you do about dogs. i don't avoid black people on the street any more than white people, or aisians or anyone. And I don't avoid anyone out of fear, I avoid them because I don't want to talk to them.

[GirlsChoize]

May I just kick in for a moment.

I am german and despite this countrys history and a contingent of around 25 % immigrants I have never in my whole life heard on the streets someone saying the words: You're a racist.

I find this interesting.

[Marijuana]

I hear it whole day long:scratch:

[Allen]

First of all, I was born and raised in the ghetto of Los Angeles. I've done more than "kick it around in my head."

And I didn't say a single word about reparations; that was pure assumption on your part. I said that the US' culture and social networks are inherently racist because they developed that way. I don't think people need to be given money for something they themselves never experienced, I think that people need to be reeducated. I think that racism needs to be addressed rather than ignored, and that black people need to come to a point where they can gain an appreciation for their cultural history.

As for your last point, that's a somewhat ignorant thing to say. Blacks living under the poverty line are raised believing in their worthlessness, the impossibility that they will ever achieve anything meaningful in life, an an inherent colorism that keeps them from striving for anything more than just getting by. It's like a story I recently heard about a judge telling a black teen that because he isn't yet 16 he won't go to jail, and the teen responding that he'd rather be in jail than back in the ghetto.

Fuck reparations and fuck affirmative action. As a minority myself, both of those concepts strike me as patronizing and unnecessary. The only solution to our problems will come through social reform.

We're basically on the same page here.

And to be clear, my entire post wasn't directed at you. I wasn't making any assumptions about your position. Just bringing up things that are issues. Well, I did make the assumption that you had only kicked the idea around in your head, but that's it.

But you're arguing the case from a social standpoint, as where I was arguing from a more political standpoint. Race is something that the government has to ignore in its dealing. Socially, it's an issue that needs to be addressed and worked on. The government should have absolutely no say in racial issues, except when it comes to fair housing, employment discrimination (currently being handled in the wrong way), and other such issues.

[Pachycephelosaurus]

We're basically on the same page here.

And to be clear, my entire post wasn't directed at you. I wasn't making any assumptions about your position. Just bringing up things that are issues. Well, I did make the assumption that you had only kicked the idea around in your head, but that's it.

But you're arguing the case from a social standpoint, as where I was arguing from a more political standpoint. Race is something that the government has to ignore in its dealing. Socially, it's an issue that needs to be addressed and worked on. The government should have absolutely no say in racial issues, except when it comes to fair housing, employment discrimination (currently being handled in the wrong way), and other such issues.

It looks like we are on the exact same page then. I agree that it's a social issue and shouldn't be a political one. As you say, the government should have no say whatsoever in racial issues. Political legislation will only perpetuate organized racism and, by extension, social racism. Governmentally, we need pure equality. Aid programs need to be based on the economic state of an individual, not the race.

[Pieman]

This is actually the third argument I've seen using the argument of 'Only whites can be racist'.

One of them was on the KKK site, I was linked to it from another board. And the other was a copypasta; http://wikichan.org/index.php/Niggers

That one is mostly for racism against America, but has a few generalised points. Don't let the name fool you, or the way its written either, it has a good insight into what America (And to a lesser extent, everyone else)is doing to help black people. It seems slightly racist in of itself, but still poses an interesting question: When will we have payed back enough for the slavery?

[Allen]

It seems slightly racist in of itself, but still poses an interesting question: When will we have payed back enough for the slavery?

That's the dumbest fucking question ever. I don't owe anyone anything. And being as no one alive in America ever owned slaves, it's safe to say that they don't owe anything either.

Besides, I think letting blacks ruin music is enough revenge on their half.

[Pieman]

I should rephrase that. How much asskissing until they think we've payed enough.

[cabhats]

I should rephrase that. How much asskissing until they think we've payed enough.

IMO it's not going to be any time soon. Who would say no to a college fund, free land simply because of your race, a benefits system biased towards your race, and any other free money that the white man throws at you?

Call me a white supremacist but I believe that races have equal rights, but do not (in general) have the same 'strengths' for lack of a better word.
An add that was allowed to air in New Zealand stated something along the lines of "if you look at the black mans physic they're 'more stronger' and more muscular, it's like a killing machine" (the phrase 'more stronger' is a direct quote), while Asians are stereotyped as 'number crunchers', and you can't honestly tell me that the Asian physic is the same as a black man.

sure certain racial groups have been abused by others, get over it, it's in the past.

Also a lot of the racial groups who generally live in poverty in the western world are half to do with their choice not to better themselves. Sure it's a bit harder for them, but they're given enough free money and all that jazz already. It's a choice.

[Mr. Crow]

I should rephrase that. How much asskissing until they think we've payed enough.

When they've received their forty acres and a donkey.

[Corcho]

IMO it's not going to be any time soon. Who would say no to a college fund, free land simply because of your race, a benefits system biased towards your race, and any other free money that the white man throws at you?

Call me a white supremacist but I believe that races have equal rights, but do not (in general) have the same 'strengths' for lack of a better word.
An add that was allowed to air in New Zealand stated something along the lines of "if you look at the black mans physic they're 'more stronger' and more muscular, it's like a killing machine" (the phrase 'more stronger' is a direct quote), while Asians are stereotyped as 'number crunchers', and you can't honestly tell me that the Asian physic is the same as a black man.

sure certain racial groups have been abused by others, get over it, it's in the past.

Also a lot of the racial groups who generally live in poverty in the western world are half to do with their choice not to better themselves. Sure it's a bit harder for them, but they're given enough free money and all that jazz already. It's a choice.


and what is the latin´s skill??

[cabhats]

and what is the latin´s skill??

uhh speaking latin?

[Allen]

uhh speaking latin?

Nobody speaks Latin faghat.

[Vin]

Nobody speaks Latin faghat.

People still write it though.

Also, the fact that racism is a problem that has no foreseeable solution seems to show that unless humans become programmable robots, all these stereotypes, assumptions and associated factors will continue to be a part of everyone's life.

[wired]

In New Zealand there are scholarships just for Maori, which I find unfair.
I believe that scholarships like that should be for those who need it, not what race you are.

I do not believe that treat treating people differently by offering money etc because of their races does anything for racism.
All it does is draw a line between different races.

[cabhats]

In New Zealand there are scholarships just for Maori, which I find unfair.
I believe that scholarships like that should be for those who need it, not what race you are.

I do not believe that treat treating people differently by offering money etc because of their races does anything for racism.
All it does is draw a line between different races.

I agree, I'm going to end up with something like a 60k student loan because I didn't work hard enough in school to get any real scholarships, and some Maori is going to get it for free because he has brown skin and says "bro" lots. I was thinking about putting my race as Maori on my application to get some free money, but I have a German passport so that won't quite work.
I think it's also easier for a Maori family to get child support, and for unemployed Maori to get the dole. They can also claim some free land or something like that too.

[DataReaper]

the simple truth is the people don't like other people; over all, in general, we'd all prefer to be with people that are like we are; it's human nature.

also, what most people seem to lose sight of is that, throughout history, we have all been owned by someone; africans are not the only slaves to have ever existed.

lastly, it's a sweet crutch. most "repressed" people keep themselves labeled as such so that they have a whole deck of aces up their sleeves. being equals isn't easy, people might start expecting you to pull you own weight.

[Clerlic]

I was thinking about putting my race as Maori on my application to get some free money, but I have a German passport so that won't quite work.


That's actually a great idea, to say that "you're a Maori inside", or "you feel that you should've born as a Maori", just like those transgendered people do about sex, and then if they won't take that, sue them for racism, discrimination, etc.

[Yen_ah_see]

I think everyone is a bit racist.
I think white people get the most flack though because statistically their lives are a lot easier.
So, if you are a white male, good for you, you already have a boost in life, so who cares if people think you are racist?

[Cristo]

In my opinion, racism is getting worse instead of better. For instance, there have been Mexicans crossing into America since 1850, but it seems to me that it has only been recently that tensions have been flaring up.


Yep, you're right.

But why should I and every other white guy get the blame for something done by someone else 200+ years ago? Especially, why should we get the blame from someone who had nothing done to them?

It's all so far gone in the past that it doesn't actually have anything to do with us anymore. No-one alive ordered the nukes on Japan, no-one alive enslaved black people, no-one alive was a slave. Honestly, it's pretty retarded why we do it; it just shows how stupid and petty humanity really is.

I'm sorry but why should Japan apologise to China for the Nanking Massacre and the Manchurian invasion when no-one in power in either Japan or China was born let alone alive back then? Why should we have to compensate and apologise for something we didn't do?

I get Quadros' arguement about how it's due to the repercussions, but I still think it's bullshit. Oh, you're poor and you come from a shitty neighbourhood? I didn't realise that meant you have to drop out of school and join a gang rather than try working hard in school and getting a good education. It's like Dere and Matt said with the natives who get college paid for them and just drop out. What the fuck? I know plenty of people from tough backgrounds and the lower class who did very well for themselves so I can't feel anything but contempt for people who use that as an excuse for getting into gangs and not making something of themselves. Unless they really ARE stupid and just aren't suited to going to Uni or getting at least a decent High School education and going on to something else.

[Caroline]

i remember reading this last year, i agree for the most part

[Cristo]

What a valid contribution Caroline, thank you.

[Allen]

I think everyone is a bit racist.
I think white people get the most flack though because statistically their lives are a lot easier.
So, if you are a white male, good for you, you already have a boost in life, so who cares if people think you are racist?

Yeah, my life is so much easier because I was born with pale skin. My family has had no disadvantages or financial difficulty, all thanks to the color of our skin.

Though really, I love what the government essentially admits to with all of their programs: Being white naturally rocks way fucking harder than being any other color! And it's fucking true!

[SuEsq]

Until we are visually unable to distinguish differences in one another, we will continue to base opinions on aesthetics. It is only human nature; and I am content in my being.

[Idioteque]

Until we are visually unable to distinguish differences in one another, we will continue to base opinions on aesthetics. It is only human nature; and I am content in my being.

God damn, you are stupid. Its also "human nature" to be empathetic towards others, something you are forgetting about. You don't think at all that basing on looks alone is a tad shallow?

[SuEsq]

NO, its first impression, and why we have instincts. A stupid person would have a hard time surviving due to lack of good judgement. That is called natural selection. God damn, you are an idioteque.

I never said you couldn't be empathetic. Where did that even come into play?

[Pachycephelosaurus]

NO, its first impression, and why we have instincts. A stupid person would have a hard time surviving due to lack of good judgement. That is called natural selection. God damn, you are an idioteque.

I never said you couldn't be empathetic. Where did that even come into play?

These so-called instincts you're referring to aren't intrinsic. You can't possibly be suggesting that instinctively being afraid or feeling threatened by people of a certain race falls under the same category as the Darwinian natural-survival compulsion. That's not a result of inherent instinct. I guarantee that if you were raised in a societal neutral zone alongside or with someone who was black, with no cultural influences, your so-called instinct and good judgment would be strangely absent.

Racism is projecting the traits of certain members of a race onto the race as a whole. What you're suggesting is that racism is inherent in our brains, and that, as you said, is "idioteque." Why don't you learn the simple definitions for your terms before acting the superior prick?

[Idioteque]

NO, its first impression, and why we have instincts. A stupid person would have a hard time surviving due to lack of good judgement. That is called natural selection. God damn, you are an idioteque.

I never said you couldn't be empathetic. Where did that even come into play?

How exactly does the color of ones skin play into this?
In no way, shape or form does the color of you skin affect your behavior.
Sure, statistically, more blacks are involved in crime. However, you have to take into account the fact that a great deal of blacks are deeply impoverished (due to the whites?) and therefore crime has to be a fact of life for them. The same goes for any "whites" who are poor, you will notice they have high crime rates as well.

Before you bring up some racist bullshit about it being in their "genes" don't. I do not want to hear it. The "violence" gene if there is one, can be in any one person, and does not depend on the color of their skin.

Natural selection? How the hell does the color or look of a person factor into good judgment? Sure, you would not be fit to survive if you saw a man of any color approaching you with a knife and you did nothing to flee, but feeling the need to flee just because you see a person with a certain look is not human instinct, its bigotry.

[Tyler_Legrand]

You idiots.

SuEsq didn't mean "My species are born conditioned to be afraid of these kinds of people".

SusEsq meant, "My species are born conditioned to study those around them, link common traits and act accordingly for the greatest chance of survival."

[Woodstock]

There's some significant irony in racism. If you look at your family background, where your grandparents' grandparents came from, you'll see that you are an immigrant. It's ridiculous the way people generalise white people and black people, acting like everyone is on one side. You think posting things like that is going to help us unite in any way, it's just another way to stir up shit that needn't be stirred. Racism is only as petty as the people who use it to harm others. It's only pride and the colour of someone's skin that makes you falter in giving equal rights.

[Marijuana]

You can say what you want but it feels damn good to call a chinese guy "spleetoog''. No, you don't understand it, 'coz it's dutch.

[Intestiny Destiny]

It doesn't matter. Affirmative action still applies either way, race is just more touchy.

If you're looking to get into a college, say Yale.

And you're choosing to ignore race then say George Bush gets in because he was born into a wealthy and influential family. And both his grandfather and father went to Yale. So you get turned down to make room for him.

It works both ways.

[Casalen]

I get what SuEsq meant and agree. We've always had to be cautious of things that are 'different', because those different things might kill you. Yes, logically all of us are humans and many live in similar societies with similar social norms; intrinsically, different colors and body types are different than us and unfamiliar, which is something to worry about on one level. If our ancestors didn't jump when they saw a snake or get a bit wary with other tribes they'd be dead. That doesn't mean it's morally right to have racist mentalities, but it's a way of understanding some of it. That and pride help to explain the situation, and understanding should be a good thing for anything.

[Agauos]

I think the third cold war has already started.

WAR OF THE RACES.

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[Chad625]

I think everyone is a bit racist.
I think white people get the most flack though because statistically their lives are a lot easier.
So, if you are a white male, good for you, you already have a boost in life, so who cares if people think you are racist?Kidding me? Minorities have a boost in life, whites don't I've been let down from jobs when I have more experience than the minorities who interviewed for it, because they need to be a certain quota for minorities hired.

[XKing2]

I don't like all of this "Most Black People are impoverished" talk.

-_-

It makes me look poor, which I'm not. : D

But seriously, I go to a private school, and I had to work my ass off for a scholarship for an even more expensive highschool. I got it, and I'm happy about it (My mom said that if I get a scholarship, I get a laptop and cellphone*More fap time and oppurtunities!:heya:*) But I feel freakin' ripped off hearing about these other Black guys getting free scholarships and such. >:U

[PixieStix]

We have a teacher at our college who is muslim. She started accusing somebody of being racist when they clearly weren't. He said that she was being recist by accusing him of being racist. Her excuse was that racism is only racism if it is a white person sayin it. It's a load of shit in my opinion, racism has become a tool for anybody that isn't white to get their way.

I find that happens a lot, people throw the term 'racist' or 'rascism' around so much without actually having an understanding of what it means. The amount of times i've heard some general argument in which a pathetic insult has been thrown at a black person from a white, simply because they were just being a fag, and having the black person turn around a say 'you're racist' is ridiculous.

[Infinity]

I would agree, but you have to remember, the "white man" suppressed all of the people mentioned. I think that lends some merit to the seemingly disparate treatment, even today.What the fuck? Um, you do realize the first slaves in America were white? One thing I believe is that no white man should ever feel guilty for being white!

[RessXalcor]

What the fuck? Um, you do realize the first slaves in America were white? One thing I believe is that no white man should ever feel guilty for being white!

Erm..... What? Never really read that in the history books. I bet you found that in the Fiction section of your local library

[Tyler_Legrand]

Every possible race had been slaves, Ress. You can bank on that.

[Infinity]

Erm..... What? Never really read that in the history books. I bet you found that in the Fiction section of your local library

My God! Is our youth truly this fucking stupid? Have you ever heard of 'indentured servants'? You know, those fucking white people from England enslaved to work the plantations on our beloved land. Yea, try googling it someday Einstein!

[Corcho]

My God! Is our youth truly this fucking stupid? Have you ever heard of 'indentured servants'? You know, those fucking white people from England enslaved to work the plantations on our beloved land. Yea, try googling it someday Einstein!

you have heard the "Slaves-free"?

[Infinity]

you have heard the "Slaves-free"?What?

[Corcho]

the indies were First slaves because they were free but if they dont do whatever the white man want, they get killed, thats a "Slaves-free". Sorry for my english

[Infinity]

the indies were First slaves because they were free but if they dont do whatever the white man want, they get killed, thats a "Slaves-free". Sorry for my english
No need to apologize. Yes, but the Indians were always too difficult to maintain as slaves because they knew their native land, thus they could run off and never be seen again. However, the indentured servants didnt know the topology of the land so they couldn't escape so easily. There was no such thing as "race" or "black/white people" at this time. They were rich white plantation owners enslaving poor white servants. It was about culture and economic status.

The reason why the indentured servants were free was because the slave owners had to report to families back in England of how their servants are doing. That made them accountable to someone. However, a hundred years later the Africans showed up. The slave owners didnt have anyone in Africa to be accountable to, so this made enslaving the Africans much easier as they were vulnerable. Thats when they introduced the institution of race, differentiating skin color. They used that to convince the public that the Africans were not completely human. This actually came in good timing since this was about the time that Darwin's theory came about. The slave owners twisted his theory to fit into the perception that Africans have not completely evolved to the human species.

But life goes on. I am a white male American who refuses to take responsibility for the dicks in the past. Ill take responsibility for my actions and nothing more. Hope I didnt bore ya. If I did, then just cut and paste this crap to some paper you have to do someday and bore the teacher with it.

[Allen]

My God! Is our youth truly this fucking stupid? Have you ever heard of 'indentured servants'? You know, those fucking white people from England enslaved to work the plantations on our beloved land. Yea, try googling it someday Einstein!

Indentured servants weren't exactly slaves. They were people that couldn't afford to come to America, so a plantation owner paid their way, and they repaid him through plantation work. Then when their debt was fulfilled and they were released.

Cunt.

[Woodstock]

I feel thick as shit now. I know nothing about history. In my town (England) the people who commit most crimes are young chavs who're bored. I don't see how statistics can do anything but help you form an opinion, they don't dictate what you should be thinking. I'm not afraid to throw around the 'I know 4 whole black people' shit, either.

[MattTheEPimp]

Yep, you're right.

I'm sorry but why should Japan apologise to China for the Nanking Massacre and the Manchurian invasion when no-one in power in either Japan or China was born let alone alive back then? Why should we have to compensate and apologise for something we didn't do?



I agree with what you're saying, but in this sense it's more of a nation apologizing to another nation, which were both around at the time. Think of the nation as it's own entity.

[Infinity]

Indentured servants weren't exactly slaves. They were people that couldn't afford to come to America, so a plantation owner paid their way, and they repaid him through plantation work. Then when their debt was fulfilled and they were released.

Cunt.Not really. they paid their way over to America. Then they 'owned' them until the debt was paid. Their is a significant difference between being temporarily owned versus being a temporary worker. They were still subjected to the same treatment as any slave would be subjected to.


Skank.

[misc]

FuckYou, stop being a thick bastard. No-one is impressed that you can use google and wikipedia. Even if you did want to class the indentured servants as slaves (which is a bit retarded- yeah, they were treated like shit but they weren't bought and sold without any consent by invading soldiers who treated them like animals), you are still missing the point, which is that African Americans spent hundreds of years in America being treated like shit, even after they were emancipated, and so a lot of 'black only' culture arose in the 60s as a way of tackling the lack of civil rights progress.

And the real point is white people are taking stuff like this too personally, these black only groups aren't there to punish white people, and neither is any affirmative action stuff, nobody seriously thinks white people alive today are personally responsible for slavery, relax! The only reason people are mentioning it is to explain why black people are often seen to get more advantages. It's not because black people complain more, believe it or not. And so for you to rip into everyone for not knowing about indentured servants is every bit as petty and irrelevant as people trying to start 'white only' clubs just for the sake of it.

[Jimith Jamith]

I'm african american and I happen to HATE black history month. If we fought for so long to be equal, then why do we need a month to say that we are different?

[Intestiny Destiny]

If we fought for so long to be equal, then why do we need a month to say that we are different?That's not what it's about.

[LeeJam]

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[SuEsq]

You’re not not getting it . Just stop, listen, think. It’s not a good thing when you talk until your face gets red.

I’ll be honest, I didn’t really read what you wrote yet, only because I’m assuming it’s typical, and directed towards judgement based on color, creed, nationalism, whatever.
My point is I guess I’m racist to all human species. Although racist is a rather stong term.

I judge people in the exact moment that I take them in. I base my opinion on situation.
I’ll give you an example:
Two elderly people. Lets just call them white since you seem sensitive about this whole mess. One is dressed in slacks, a cardigan, little old people shoes, a cap, and has nice hair; generally a well kept appearance.
Now this old person falls on the sidewalk. What do I do? Most likely, make way over to the person hastily and help them up.
Now this other person is rough. Scruffy. Torn pants, ripped down jacket, miss matched shoes, visible dirt on skin and clothing. This person falls too.
Now my firsts thoughts to any one taking a fall are ‘Oooh, sucks’ But now that I’ve made the assumtion about this person being homeless, I consider the situation a little more risky. Probably a drunk.

How about a visit to the ATM? Someone stands behind me in a business suit. Not too much intimidated.
But now this person is dressed in Dickies, a beater, has tats, and ridiculous ‘bling’ that should have been spent on dental work or something. I already don’t like this person.

To try and be quick with my summation, cause I have to get to the hospital and witness a new born life here, I think we are to make decisions about people on how they live. How they present themselves. Not to cling to stereotypes or pasts. People evolve and opinions should too.

Now, for whatever you said, I accept your apology and hope that you now understand .

Footnote: Tyler Legrand, good job buddy.
Patchy-something & Idiot-boy, I pray.

[LeeJam]

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[Idioteque]

SuEsq, naturally I assumed you were referring to the color of someones skin as something to judge them on, this is a thread on racism, is it not? Otherwise, yes, I see your point. I would be nervous around a man in bling and a wifebeater too.

If you are indeed referring to that fact, then I am sorry, I have misunderstood you. If, however, you are judging based on color as well, then my point still stands.

[Jimith Jamith]

That's not what it's about.

I know the month is there to celebrate the african americans who succeded in doing something. But white people don't have a month, they have more poeple who have done good for the earth then we have, I admit it, But we have a month? All that does is say " oh your not the same as us, you have some people who did some good, lets give them a month"

[Infinity]

FuckYou, stop being a thick bastard. No-one is impressed that you can use google and wikipedia. Even if you did want to class the indentured servants as slaves (which is a bit retarded- yeah, they were treated like shit but they weren't bought and sold without any consent by invading soldiers who treated them like animals), you are still missing the point, which is that African Americans spent hundreds of years in America being treated like shit, even after they were emancipated, and so a lot of 'black only' culture arose in the 60s as a way of tackling the lack of civil rights progress.

And the real point is white people are taking stuff like this too personally, these black only groups aren't there to punish white people, and neither is any affirmative action stuff, nobody seriously thinks white people alive today are personally responsible for slavery, relax! The only reason people are mentioning it is to explain why black people are often seen to get more advantages. It's not because black people complain more, believe it or not. And so for you to rip into everyone for not knowing about indentured servants is every bit as petty and irrelevant as people trying to start 'white only' clubs just for the sake of it.
You fucking dick lick! I hope your next shit comes out square. How the hell can you expect a person to debate an issue without first knowing the history of the issue? Somebody on here, including you, made a comment that the white man is always suppressing the blacks, and that it just isnt fair. The indentured servants weren't treated fair either, white poor people arnt treated fair either, homosexuals (white or black) arnt treated fair either. Obese people arnt treated fair either.....blah blah blah! If its about justice and giving people an equal playing ground then why not give all groups of people who are discriminated against their own fucking month?

As far as your lame ass comment about not being impressed that I know about indentured servants, guess what Einstein, you arent suppossed to be. Indentured servants is as a familiar concept to any layman. Most immigrants who come here legally and go through the system to get citizenship know more American history than most Americans. So you really expect me to not bring up indentured servants in a slavery debate? Fuck off!

[Oberlin]

I'll go as far to say that I'm prejudiced. Not necessarily against blacks, but against black culture. I know plenty of black people who don't fit the stereotype, and plenty of white people who do fit there.

What gets me is when black people use the word nigger, or nigga. Only offensive if you're not black, i take it?

[misc]

You fucking dick lick! I hope your next shit comes out square. How the hell can you expect a person to debate an issue without first knowing the history of the issue? Somebody on here, including you, made a comment that the white man is always suppressing the blacks, and that it just isnt fair. The indentured servants weren't treated fair either, white poor people arnt treated fair either, homosexuals (white or black) arnt treated fair either. Obese people arnt treated fair either.....blah blah blah! If its about justice and giving people an equal playing ground then why not give all groups of people who are discriminated against their own fucking month?


Way to miss my point entirely. As I said, pretty clearly (try reading my post next time you want to abuse me) it isn't about 'justice' or people being treated unfairly, the reason things like black history month exist is to raise self awareness in the black community, which was essential in actually getting any civil rights at all during the 60s and 70s. That was my point. I know every group ever has been treated unfairly at some point, and for the last time, thats not what this is about. I never claimed that anybody 'owes' black people for slavery, or that black people are the only ethnic group to suffer, I was simply explaining the reason for the black only societies which some people deem to be racist.

As for your indentured servants point, yeah, well done for bringing it up. It's just that it's a irrelevant point. It doesn't compare to black slavery, or the treatment of black people in america, for reasons which have already been stated, and so its a pointless analogy.

Stop calling people 'einstein' and other hilarious put-downs and try channeling some of that genius into actually reading what people are saying.

[Jimith Jamith]

isn't about 'justice' or people being treated unfairly, the reason things like black history month exist is to raise self awareness in the black community.

If that is how it works, I declare thursday japan day.....sound stupid? It should. Lets give every minority race there own day. We don't need to be aware that we are black or that are ancestors were treated bad or anything. That was then, this is now.

[Infinity]

Way to miss my point entirely. As I said, pretty clearly (try reading my post next time you want to abuse me) it isn't about 'justice' or people being treated unfairly, the reason things like black history month exist is to raise self awareness in the black community, which was essential in actually getting any civil rights at all during the 60s and 70s. That was my point. I know every group ever has been treated unfairly at some point, and for the last time, thats not what this is about. I never claimed that anybody 'owes' black people for slavery, or that black people are the only ethnic group to suffer, I was simply explaining the reason for the black only societies which some people deem to be racist.

As for your indentured servants point, yeah, well done for bringing it up. It's just that it's a irrelevant point. It doesn't compare to black slavery, or the treatment of black people in america, for reasons which have already been stated, and so its a pointless analogy.

Stop calling people 'einstein' and other hilarious put-downs and try channeling some of that genius into actually reading what people are saying.You don't see the contradiction in your statement?
You wrote:
Way to miss my point entirely. As I said, pretty clearly (try reading my post next time you want to abuse me) it isn't about 'justice' or people being treated unfairly, the reason things like black history month exist is to raise self awareness in the black community, which was essential in actually getting any civil rights at all during the 60s and 70s. That was my point.

The reason why I keep missing your point is because you keep contradicting your point. The first part of your paragraph says that the point is NOT about justice or people being treated unfairly. Then you proceed to follow it with the reason for things like black history month is to raise awareness in the black community which was essential in obtaining any civil rights in the 60s and 70s. Well, the civil rights was about minorities who were treated unfairly and needed justice.

So your arguement is: Things like black history month isnt about being treated unfairly or about justice, its about raising self awareness which is essential to receiving civil rights so they can be treated fairly and have justice.

And you wonder why I am missing your point.

[ittasteincest]

ya fuck those niggers. ha ha ha ha ha. i kid. they are a valueable part of our community. not

[misc]

Oh my god. What I meant was, it isn't about getting back at white people by having advantageous treatment, it is a result of the civil rights movement itself and if black people had equal rights throughout american history, these groups wouldn't exist. Stop taking everything so literally, when I said its not about justice, I meant it isn't about personally punishing white people for slavery, which is what a lot of people seem to assume. It's not about getting even, its about getting equal, and yes, there is a difference. Don't blame me if you're too stupid to spot it.

[Mr. Crow]

I put forth the statement once again: how exactly is there inequality for blacks in the United States when we have millionaires, physicists, astronauts, writers, and now a potential president who is black? If there is any one defining reason for high rates of poverty in black communities, and high rates of crime for blacks in the United States, it is that it's the fault of those blacks themselves. Nobody is denying them opportunity, it is they who are only aspiring to be rappers, athletes, and gangsters, and find it cool to fuck somebody up or wield thousand-dollar firearms while they go home to eat microwaved mac and cheese and blame the white man for their situation.

Well, fuck that. I'm tired of middle class white Americans being shafted.

[Infinity]

Oh my god. What I meant was, it isn't about getting back at white people by having advantageous treatment, it is a result of the civil rights movement itself and if black people had equal rights throughout american history, these groups wouldn't exist. Stop taking everything so literally, when I said its not about justice, I meant it isn't about personally punishing white people for slavery, which is what a lot of people seem to assume. It's not about getting even, its about getting equal, and yes, there is a difference. Don't blame me if you're too stupid to spot it.
Why don't you stick your head up an ant's ass and listen to roll around like a bee-bee in a box car? You have changed your stupid arguement about three times. Then of course you blame me for for not getting your point. Figures. Well Einstein, whatever the hell your arguement is, which I don't even think you know what the hell your arguement is, let me lay out a simple fact to you. Most black people dont even give a crap about African-American month. There is literally a minority within the minority who actually take it seriously. In fact, there is probably more white people who acknowledge it then the black community. My theory is because people like you try to embed into the white man of how important it is to "raise awareness", so they feel guilty and fall into that trap. There is literally a minority of blacks who take this month seriously. What does that tell ya about it?

Love always,
Fuck you
from Fuck You!

[Allen]

I put forth the statement once again: how exactly is there inequality for blacks in the United States when we have millionaires, physicists, astronauts, writers, and now a potential president who is black? If there is any one defining reason for high rates of poverty in black communities, and high rates of crime for blacks in the United States, it is that it's the fault of those blacks themselves. Nobody is denying them opportunity, it is they who are only aspiring to be rappers, athletes, and gangsters, and find it cool to fuck somebody up or wield thousand-dollar firearms while they go home to eat microwaved mac and cheese and blame the white man for their situation.

Well, fuck that. I'm tired of middle class white Americans being shafted.

I'm going to bask in this moment, as it is the first an possibly last time we'll ever feel the exact same way about a subject.

[John Travolta]

I really don't know who to agree with because you all seem to have the same opinion and the people that are arguing are only doing so about semantics.

[Alphawolf29]

Has anyone alive today in north america every enslaved anyone alive today in north America? No. Problem solved. You cant use the enslavement issue because our current generation has done nothing to enslave anyone, nor has anyone been enslaved. The whole thing is ridiculous

[lasercats]

Actually, people are still enslaved all over the world, even in the US. It's just illegal and a variety of different races and genders now, and not a widespread issue. And it really isn't the slavery, also, or else no one would be racist against anyone else. Its a bunch of different factors accumulated throughout history. During WW2 there was racism against Japanese. Some people hold grudges, or are still afraid of what's different. Its not who is allowed to be discriminatory, but how you use words that degrades the meaning. If you call everyone a fag just out of habit, the meaning of the word isn't the same as if you call one gay person it hatefully. They use those words in the same way, but whenever we have, it's often been perceived as hateful. It's all in the connotation.

That's why.

:wink:

[Infinity]

Cant we all just get along?.....nevermind, fuck that. It feels good to hate!

[PedroBear]

I don't hate whites, even when some white people things bad about my race, I know that is just a small part of the white people, or just misinformated people

EDIT: has you can see for my nick, I'm Asian =D

[Cristo]

I put forth the statement once again: how exactly is there inequality for blacks in the United States when we have millionaires, physicists, astronauts, writers, and now a potential president who is black? If there is any one defining reason for high rates of poverty in black communities, and high rates of crime for blacks in the United States, it is that it's the fault of those blacks themselves. Nobody is denying them opportunity, it is they who are only aspiring to be rappers, athletes, and gangsters, and find it cool to fuck somebody up or wield thousand-dollar firearms while they go home to eat microwaved mac and cheese and blame the white man for their situation.

Well, fuck that. I'm tired of middle class white Americans being shafted.

Wow that's amazing, and I completely agree with you. That's exactly what I've been trying to say for so long - in this topic and outside it.

Using the excuse of coming from a challenging background to explain one's descent into a life of crime is fucking bullshit and a pussy excuse. Go to school. Care. Get an education, make something of yourself. It's not hard.

[Akvod]

Wow that's amazing, and I completely agree with you. That's exactly what I've been trying to say for so long - in this topic and outside it.

Using the excuse of coming from a challenging background to explain one's descent into a life of crime is fucking bullshit and a pussy excuse. Go to school. Care. Get an education, make something of yourself. It's not hard.

Well, I do believe that inner city kids, which are mostly composed of Blacks, do have it tough. That's why I think that instead of having affirmative action, the money and effort should be used to create an better environment, with competent teachers, a place where being intellectual is accepted (or at least doesn't gets you killed or nearly killed), adequate school supplies, etc.

I'm not saying that there aren't inner city kids that don't try at all, in fact I think that majority of them don't. But I think that you can't just leave them all there, because there is a vicious cycle which a lot are unfairly caught up in. I don't think that there's an "poor gene", so obviously it's not as if inner city kids are just people that don't try the minute they're born.

Some of them don't try because they are grow up in the a culture of poverty, where it is the ideal to become a gangsta, or a rappa, or a playa.

Some of them don't try because they feel like their efforts are going to waste, which leads back to the inadequate education system.

Some of them are influenced by the culture, but not for a stupid reason like aspiring to be a stereotype, but because those that do aspire to succeed are rejected by their society, again, the culture of poverty.

And who are kids most influenced by? Their fellow peers. That's why I think that it starts by fixing schools and instilling a culture African Americans people were famous for having during the abolitionist and later civil rights movement, a culture of determination and success. Back then African Americans aspired to be more than a stereotype and to succeed, and they make up the black middle class today.

I say it's this stupid fucking media, like BET, and tasteless rappers (who just say "I wanna be a gangster", not all of them) who are only a fucking parasite on their own people.

They use the stereotypes and culture that doomed so many futures, for the sake of selling records and making shows that then appeal to those who were put in the shit hole because of them.

Now that I think about it, it's more as if rich blacks are just exploiting the poor, from selling products, to playing the race card and fucking acting like they represent and stand for their people, when they're the ones who are shutting them down.

It pisses me off...

/rant

[Shadowpriest]

Hey, Im a puertorrican and everytime im on xbox live with a couple of friends, we look for a match online, no big deal. But the moment we start speaking spanish, you start calling us mexicans (which, I know not all americans are as ignorant as some dumbasses all over the internet, but shows a pretty goddamned ignorant side of any culture considering mexico is not the only country in the world that speaks spanish, and some of your people are apparently retarded enough to think the internet only extends over the US and everybody else rolls over and dies of starvation every day) but hey, I can deal with that, but when you start calling us wetbacks, start telling us to go back to mexico or where we came from (Im still at home) and try to order chalupas over voice chat.

But here's a big problem, AFTER that you get insulted if I call YOU a redneck, a cracker, try to order the trailer that is slightly bigger than yours or mention a bomb you get insulted.

People just have to find out that there are negative stereotypes of everything, and if you can find one about somebody (in which you're probably never even insulting him because you're probably insulting the wrong country) they can just as easily find one about you.

Most of the insults toward white people begin because you start trying to piss people off by using their race to make you feel better about yourselves, and truth is, most people hate you because of that little part of the US that is basically the definition of arrogance.

[Cristo]

Most of the insults toward white people begin because you start trying to piss people off by using their race to make you feel better about yourselves, and truth is, most people hate you because of that little part of the US that is basically the definition of arrogance.

Isn't that mostly just on Xbox Live though, and the Internet in general?

I know that whenever I play a game with more than one nationality there's always racism and racial slurs be it French, English, Canadian, Portuguese, Polish, American, German etc.

Sure there's racism IRL, but it's not as common, random and happenstance as on Xbox live and the internet - people just say shit without thinking on the Internet.

[Vactorette]

how about, everyone stops holding a damn grudge?? if you discriminate someone based on their race, you're a racist, whether or not that race is a minority!



it's not going to matter anymore in a few years. there are so many people out there that are mixed (i, myself am a mixture of EIGHT races) and one day, you won't be able to pick the black, whites, browns, reds, yellows.. what have you. We'll all just be human.

[Mr. Crow]

Wow that's amazing, and I completely agree with you. That's exactly what I've been trying to say for so long - in this topic and outside it.

Shut the hell up. You're a foreign, over-privileged little rich kid, you have no idea what it's like being struggling middle-to-lower class or living in the United States where affirmative action, reverse discrimination, and political correctness is at its worst. It's people like you, who spout their opinions when they have no clue about the situation, that discredit the rest of us arguing against reverse discrimination. The very fact that you agree with me has made me think twice about my stance on the issue.

[Bosskid]

Shut the hell up. You're a foreign, over-privileged little rich kid, you have no idea what it's like being struggling middle-to-lower class or living in the United States where affirmative action, reverse discrimination, and political correctness is at its worst. It's people like you, who spout their opinions when they have no clue about the situation, that discredit the rest of us arguing against reverse discrimination. The very fact that you agree with me has made me think twice about my stance on the issue.

No your wrong. Did you grow up in the slums? Well I wouldn't necessarily call it the slums, but right now I'm growing up in the ghetto part of Houston (screwston) in the apartments and shacks with 80% of the population black people. I still go to school, I make good grades, but do my surroundings? No. They wear durags (spell?) to school, they have sex, have kids when 16, get in fights, do drugs and alcohol, and thats their choice. We still all have the same privileges. If you make top 10% of your class rank, you go to college. It doesn't matter how your raised, I'm making A's, because I choose to. No clue about situation? I have my rights, I have my decisions, hell, I even have a Ps3.