Windows 7

[Mirrorman]

If any of you haven't heard of this before, yes it has been confirmed that windows 7 is infact in development and will at this time be reaching our shelves in 2009/2010. Basically its just a follow-up to vista. It looks the same, so no big changes in that. See for yourselves, there are screenshots in the links at the end of the post.

So what are your views on this? Windows developing a new windows already, when people are still complaining about all the bugs in vista?

In my opinion it is WAY too early to come out with a new windows, when the last one isn't really fully developed.

http://www.windows7.co.uk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7
http://windows7news.com/

[BlackHood]

You have to remember that there's usually a two or three year gap between a release date and the actual sale date, so that puts this product nearly 5 years ahead of us. By then we'll be on SP2 or 3 for Vista, and a serious upgrade will be plausible. With the performance jump in hardware that is taking place, there will be more scope for adding powerful features.

Personally I think it will be a similar situation to ME --> XP. Very little actual difference apart from interface improvements and GUI tweaks.

As to Vista not being fully developed, nothing has ever been perfect when it came out, even Mac who engineer the hell out of all their products are on something like OS 10.7. What we need from Microsoft are some proper strategies for moving the technology that has been developed (DX10, for example) forward and into the next generation. If they work hard on the new one, then I see no problem releasing it before Vista reaches the "end of useful life".

[Beefynick]

I think it is a stupid idea. Windows Vista is not nearly stable enough to release a new version of Windows. Then again Microsoft is always releasing products that are half-assed and then not following up on them (i.e. Windows ME).

[BlackHood]

Xp was the follow up of ME. ME was completely re-written to make the core effective, and XP improved the GUI. Thats all they're doing with Vista --> 7.

Not to mention the fact that their development team is separate from their Vista team, so its not like they're ignoring Vista altogether and calling it finished. SP3 came out for XP just as they released Vista, so its not like they claim that once released their products are final.

[Hunnter]

They are pretty much dropping Vista and sweeping it under the rug.
There is so many bugs in the bowls of Vista, so much so that i doubt they will even bother fixing it now. (hence the very early announcement of Win7)
Hell, even WinXP SP3 is a complete mess. (almost as if they rushed it out just to keep all the "Keep XP Alive" people happy)
Something tells me that Microsoft has either:
A) Hired a bunch of monkeys to code their software
B) the disorganization in Microsoft really is as bad as the internal e-mails show.

Hopefully Win7 won't be screwed up with the new modular approach.
I really realluy hope they don't screw it up, and this time, not lie about the requirements to actually run the damn thing, or you know, not require so damn much to run it in the first place.
There is no excuse for the amount of resources required to run Vista (at default), none at all.

[Mirrorman]

You have to remember that there's usually a two or three year gap between a release date and the actual sale date, so that puts this product nearly 5 years ahead of us. By then we'll be on SP2 or 3 for Vista, and a serious upgrade will be plausible. With the performance jump in hardware that is taking place, there will be more scope for adding powerful features.


Q: Will Microsoft release any Windows updates between now and Windows 7?

A: Yes. Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1, codenamed “Fiji”) will ship simultaneously with Windows Server 2008 in early 2008 and will include a new kernel version that makes that release up to date with the kernel version in Longhorn. And one might logically expect a new Media Center update before Windows 7 as well.


Yeah. It's a little old news, but not too god I might say.

[Clerlic]

Good news for me, since I hate Vista. I never needed any of those fancy mumbo-jumbo like widgets or aero (or was it aqua?), I just needed a stable OS which I can run everything on, and XP does it perfectly right now. I only wish they would add multi-core support in Windows 7, and by multi-core, I mean like a lot more than 4, since AMD is currently developing those.

[opn4bzns]

Basically its just a follow-up to vista. It looks the same, so no big changes in that.

I can't figure out what about this sentence is more retarded. The fact that you think the pre-alpha screenshots of the ui indicate what the final product will look like or that you think that it visually looking the same means it is the same.

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[ilovebrownies]

I think Windows 7 will be more of a lightweight OS than anything. They're writing a brand new kernel, which, hopefully, will make it a lot more compatible with the new subnotebooks such as the Asus Eee and the HP mini.

[Mirrorman]

I can't figure out what about this sentence is more retarded. The fact that you think the pre-alpha screenshots of the ui indicate what the final product will look like or that you think that it visually looking the same means it is the same.

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Maybe because it was said so?

[BurgerKueen]

I don't understand why Windows keep releasing these half-finished products. I really don't think the common user would mind waiting an extra year or three years really for them to release a new operating system. I know plenty of people who curse the day they switched to Vista. It just decreases user satisfaction. And it's not like there aren't other systems people can use. I got a Mac and now I hate it whenever I have to use a Windows (especially Vista). All the fanciness they tried to add annoys the hell out of me and it's really slow.

They really should give up on the fanciness and work on optimization. Whenever I try to work on my mom's laptop it alerts me of something that's wrong, needs to be updated, vs. I think they started to work on their interface because Mac's are known for their prettiness or something, but really it's just pointless. They should keep improving Vista and not release anything new until it's perfect. Or release Windows 7 as a huge patch for Vista.

[Clerlic]

Well I don't really know how Windows works, but I believe that it's easier to create a new OS based on previous ones, than update an old one. Because technologies such as multi-core processing aren't that easy to incorporate into an existing product.

[opn4bzns]

Maybe because it was said so?

Where did you read this? As far as I know they haven't confirmed the ui is final, and they've completely rewritten the kernel, so it's really not going to be like Vista.

I don't know why everyone (not just explosm, either) is hating on this, it's obvious Microsoft are just trying to fix the complaints about Vista (which I personally really like) as quickly as possible, but everyone's acting like Microsoft raped their mothers and did a shit on their dinners.

[MisterP]

Seriously guys, stop giving them your moneys. The latest windows they released was the worst thing that could ever happen to us.

Open-source is the future.

[BurgerKueen]

They're hating on it because it's not going to be some free upgrade and people are sick of paying for shitty systems that seem to get less inconvenient each time around.

[GrapefruitMovin]

Seriously guys, stop giving them your moneys. The latest windows they released was the worst thing that could ever happen to us.

Open-source is the future.

While I agree with you saying that open source is good (currently typing on Ubuntu) it is not going to be the way of the future. The reason that I'm saying this is because Open source right now dose not have publicity that it needs to become a viable means of operating with large cooperations. And with windows vista it is slowly getting better as time goes on its only logical for companies to switch over form xp to vista to windows 7. The way open source will make a large impact in Microsoft's dominance will be if Google releases an operating system which Google is indicating after funding WINE a program used to run windows programs on Linux.

[Refresh]

Windows 7 is not going to be backwards compatible. Enough said. I'll stick to XP untill 2020 then I guess...

[ilovebrownies]

Where did you read this? As far as I know they haven't confirmed the ui is final, and they've completely rewritten the kernel, so it's really not going to be like Vista.

I think it's safe to say that Windows 7 won't look anything like Vista. I mean Vista actually looked like this (http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/longhorn/Image28.jpg) in it's pre-alpha stage, and that's pretty similar to XP.

[carter]

Well, as said Win7 is still a bit away, so we will have to see as far as looks, but what we need to consider is that technology is growing faster than before, and windows vista can only support 4 gigs of RAM or 8 gigs if you are on a 64 bit. I do agree that we need to find a suitable alternative however Microsoft seems to be monopolizing the industry. Sometimes I think if they put Windows XP in a different box, gave it a different name and changed the computability it would be the highest selling operating system. I currently use Vista 64, but it took my about 3 days to turn off all the crap that came with it.