iPhone 3G [Archive] - The Explosm Fora

poematik14

06-11-2008, 9:56 PM

In my opinion, the low MSRP killed dissolved Apple's luxury brand connotation that they have been trying to build recently. The 500 and 600 dollar price points in the beginning were influential in making it "popular" because it was considered glamorous by the people who couldn't afford it- thus, Apple got more hype for their other products and their brand image became Bentley-esque.

Chaplin

06-11-2008, 10:57 PM

poematik14

06-11-2008, 11:12 PM

I disagree because Apple is working on making the iPhone just a normal household product, so EVERYONE has one. And it's not an iPhone, its just part of your life. To blackflash: They are making a video app.

Thats a huge shift in demographics and buisness direction. The last time I checked, they were happy with being the niche luxury brand. Can I get a source or something? Id like to read about it.

Axidos

06-12-2008, 2:15 AM

I disagree because Apple is working on making the iPhone just a normal household product, so EVERYONE has one. And it's not an iPhone, its just part of your life. To blackflash: They are making a video app.

A part of my life? I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call a phone a part of my life, it's just a phone. |:

I doubt an iPhone will be able to compete with regular phones to become a regular household product. The touchscreen technology and other devices inside it to make it the powerhouse of a phone it is will already extend the price, so it'll have to drop features which regular phones would offer.

opn4bzns

06-12-2008, 3:39 AM

Don't forget that it's $200 on a two year contract.
The fact that they're selling them internationally now is good, though, I'll probably buy one if they aren't too expensive in Australia. Which they will be.

iPhone 3G still does not do video! it is still not A2DP, or TV or MMS.

now that it is on 3G it will have telenav, but unfortuneately 3G sucks anyways compared to EV-DO rA.

release date is july 11th

It does video, as did the first iPhone. Unless you mean video calling, but it's incredibly useless. I had 2 different phones that did video calling and I used it once to see if it worked. It did, and it was stupidly impractical. You have to use speakerphone or a headset and the quality is terrible.
It doesn't have a tv tuner, no, but here we can get tv via Vodafone Live, and I imagine other places have similar stuff. The lack of MMS is dumb, since it's a pretty basic feature, but it's no deal killer as I don't really ever use it, but I suppose some people probably do.

Edit: as for the evdo stuff, maybe it's better, but the iPhone's being sold internationally now, and evdo isn't really used outside of America, unlike 3G, which is used pretty much everywhere.

Clerlic

06-12-2008, 4:22 AM

I've decided that I'm gonna get one if it's under 250 euros without any stupid 2 year slavery plans.

Ercoledi

06-12-2008, 8:07 AM

Sorry, Clerlic, but this post (http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/12/unsubsidized-iphone-3g-priced-at-499-569-in-europe/) on Engadget seems to indicate it'll be pretty much double this. :indiff:

The phone looks pretty awesome. I'll probably get one, like opn4bzns said, if it's not ridiculously priced on Optus Prepaid.

Clerlic

06-13-2008, 5:08 AM

Kaination

06-13-2008, 3:27 PM

I got a question about the GPS system, you have to pay monthly to use the GPS on the iphone, right? How much more monthly is it? I've been thinking of getting this iPhone since I completely suck ass with directions.

Clerlic

06-13-2008, 7:02 PM

What? Since when do you have to pay monthly fees for GPS?

Kaination

06-13-2008, 7:30 PM

What? Since when do you have to pay monthly fees for GPS?

I'm not too sure. I coulda sworn someone told me that if you get any phone with a GPS system you have to pay monthly for it to work.

I'm assuming that mother fucker lied to me. :(

Ercoledi

06-13-2008, 8:55 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you don't.

AT&T's going a tad wankery with the activation, in that you have to start it in store. The appeal of the phone wears a bit thin when I can't unlock it and use it at the subsidized price. :P

Also, white or black?

docmartens

06-13-2008, 9:44 PM

I thought it was an application you had to subscribe to. Isn't that how they make their money?

Chaplin

06-13-2008, 10:06 PM

No. I'm guessing gps will come with the data plan(eg. internet and crap) It would be cool if it was free though but you know how apple loves money.

Kaination

06-13-2008, 11:02 PM

No. I'm guessing gps will come with the data plan(eg. internet and crap) It would be cool if it was free though but you know how apple loves money.

That's what my friend told me, or what I'm sure anyways. You have to subscribe to an unlimited amount of internet plan for the GPS to activate. I'm not sure if it's unactivated or it just runs a huge bill on your phone bill if you don't subscribe.

I just know they want you to subscribe / pay more to be able to use the GPS efficiently.

Chaplin

06-13-2008, 11:12 PM

When the iPhone first came out people ran up 1500$ phone bills cause they didn't subscribe. I think the catch of the 199$ price tag is that its an extra 10 bucks for service and gps and stuff which i think is now 20 or 30.

opn4bzns

06-14-2008, 3:28 AM

I'm not too sure. I coulda sworn someone told me that if you get any phone with a GPS system you have to pay monthly for it to work.

I'm assuming that mother fucker lied to me. :(

Yep, they did. There are a few Nokias with pay per month gps apps, but there are free versions too, and it's far from common.

I think a lot of people are confused about gps, too. They can't charge you to use it like data, but an app that uses it could have a one time cost.

Clerlic

06-14-2008, 4:47 AM

GPS chips aren't even connected to the Internet or to the cellular network, they just use the signals that are sent from GPS satellites, which are sent everywhere, all the time and are unencrypted.
I just read from wikipedia that the iPhone uses A-GPS, ie. assisted GPS. It's like GPS but faster since it also uses locations from cell towers and wi-fi access points or something. And of course, they'll charge you for that. I suspect that it is impossible to use plain GPS on the iPhone, so Apple and AT&T would get more money from A-GPS. There are several Nokia phones that also have A-GPS, but at least on N95, it's not mandatory to use it.

Chaplin

06-14-2008, 8:10 AM

Who said it was mandatory? I mean you don't HAVE to get it. You just won't be able to completely use all the phone's apps. It would be cool if someone made an app, like opn4bzns said that was a one time cost.

Clerlic

06-14-2008, 10:10 AM

I ment that the ordinary GPS on N95 is usable for free, but you can also get A-GPS if you need it for a monthly fee. While on iPhone you cannot use GPS alone, if you do want to know where you are, it will cost you.

That is, of course, if your source is correct.

poematik14

06-19-2008, 12:36 AM

What? Since when do you have to pay monthly fees for GPS?

My Curve has a 30day trial and then its 15 bucks a month. But hey, voice activated, guided, 3D GPS that doesn't use your internet connection, but the nearby satellites, meaning you can go anywhere in the world- its worth it.

Chaplin

06-22-2008, 8:43 AM

My Curve has a 30day trial and then its 15 bucks a month. But hey, voice activated, guided, 3D GPS that doesn't use your internet connection, but the nearby satellites, meaning you can go anywhere in the world- its worth it.
I have just got my curve too.

If anyone gets the magazine "Wired", in the latest one they were talking about how the games on the iPhone will rule. Any thoughts on this?

Ercoledi

06-22-2008, 9:01 AM

The Monkey Ball clone EA was showing off at WWDC looked so very awesome.

Games on the iPhone will be a lot of fun. The accelerometer functions really well (well, it looked like it did in Monkey Ball) and Apple can look to Nintendo for some touchscreen shenanigans. Sure beats the hell out of Snake and Memory.

One thing a tech blog I was reading (Giz, I think it was) said was that the iPhone's screen becomes really hard to view if it's at an angle, meaning that accelerometer based games are at a disadvantage, even in low light. If it's true, it'd definitely detract from the experience.

Now apparently, though, the 16GB is going to be about $1000 outright, which almost completely kills my iPhone erection. Will the prepaid version (which is almost as good as outright) be any cheaper? Thoughts? Comments?

opn4bzns

06-23-2008, 12:34 AM

Now apparently, though, the 16GB is going to be about $1000 outright, which almost completely kills my iPhone erection. Will the prepaid version (which is almost as good as outright) be any cheaper? Thoughts? Comments?

If Vodafone/Optus sell it on prepaid but locked, it will probably be a bit cheaper, maybe $100-$200, but I don't expect much more off than that.

cabhats

06-23-2008, 2:52 AM

They're giving it away cheap here. I'm not sure of the details but they've hyped it up plenty. It's even been on the news recently. I would seriously not buy it. Apple products are overpriced, and usually the only real difference is that they dress them up all pretty.

Chaplin

06-23-2008, 3:52 AM

Yeah, in America, 16 gigs is 300 bucks. 200 bucks for 8. It tickles my fancy.

sunday6

06-23-2008, 3:57 AM

I read in the newspaper over here in Australia that we are going to try match America's price. Say $210.

sunday6

06-23-2008, 4:12 AM

This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yVQJ6jJPak) said that all the countrys receiving the iphone 3g wont have to pay any more than $199 US.

Chaplin

06-23-2008, 5:09 AM

It also sounds like the App store could turn out to be amazing.

Ercoledi

06-23-2008, 6:11 AM

Definitely, with most of the people on the developer's program offering to make their programs available for free.

Opn4bzns, if Optus does lock it on prepaid for that price, it'd be amazing. As in wait-in-line-on-July-11 amazing.

opn4bzns

06-23-2008, 6:25 AM

Yeah, in America, 16 gigs is 300 bucks. 200 bucks for 8. It tickles my fancy.

I read in the newspaper over here in Australia that we are going to try match America's price. Say $210.

This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yVQJ6jJPak) said that all the countrys receiving the iphone 3g wont have to pay any more than $199 US.

That's $200 with a two year contract. Not exactly desirable, and useless for anyone on prepaid.

Chaplin

06-23-2008, 12:16 PM

In America it's only being offered with a 2 year contract. Is it being sold with no contract anywhere?

opn4bzns

06-24-2008, 2:31 AM

In America it's only being offered with a 2 year contract. Is it being sold with no contract anywhere?

Yeah, Vodafone Italy are selling it for 600 euros prepaid.

eXo

06-24-2008, 4:42 AM

Yeah, Vodafone Italy are selling it for 600 euros prepaid.

I confirm.

Vodafone Italy and Tim mobile Italy will sell the iPhone 16gb at € 599 and the 8gb something less.
The above mentioned prices are only if you don't want to make a contract.

With contract the prices will be about 150/200 € and 30€ and more for month.

The contracts in Italy suxxx for the moment...
They are very expensive and not good to use all the iPhone features.

Waiting for 07/11..

Cheers from Italy.

Chaplin

06-24-2008, 9:39 AM

I confirm.

Vodafone Italy and Tim mobile Italy will sell the iPhone 16gb at € 599 and the 8gb something less.
The above mentioned prices are only if you don't want to make a contract.

With contract the prices will be about 150/200 € and 30€ and more for month.

The contracts in Italy suxxx for the moment...
They are very expensive and not good to use all the iPhone features.

Waiting for 07/11..

Cheers from Italy.
Wait so does that mean you can use the phone and all it's features without a plan if you buy it prepaid?

Ercoledi

06-24-2008, 2:31 PM

That's correct, but be prepared to be majorly screwed over for data usage on prepaid.

eXo

06-24-2008, 6:24 PM

Wait so does that mean you can use the phone and all it's features without a plan if you buy it prepaid?

in italy there aren't good prepaid for use the iphone well.

features like push email here are not used, you risk to finish your month credit in 2 days or less :(

Chaplin

07-08-2008, 6:57 AM

It comes out this friday in the U.S.

eXo

07-10-2008, 6:59 AM

It comes out this friday in the U.S.

also in Italy

Tweek

07-10-2008, 7:13 AM

It's a worldwide release, unless I'm mistaken.

Ercoledi

07-10-2008, 8:08 AM

Yup, worldwide. Well, at least in the 22 countries in the first rollout.

In similar news, stores opened in New Zealand an hour and eight minutes ago. :)

Clerlic

07-11-2008, 6:03 AM

Here in Finland, the cheapest plan is 159/245 euros + 32 euros/month for 24 months = 927/1013 euros. 199$ MY ASS.

Chaplin

07-11-2008, 6:56 AM

It's out! My friend is getting one, maybe I'll be able to do a review.

MistyTehMoose

07-13-2008, 10:55 PM

Did he actually get one? In Australia it sold out within a few hours.

Chaplin

07-14-2008, 6:55 AM

Did he actually get one? In Australia it sold out within a few hours.
Yeah he actually got one, he showed it to me, I don't think there was as big a rush in the U.S for it but the battery life on it is horrible and the gps doesn't work great either.

MistyTehMoose

07-14-2008, 8:17 PM

It really is just an iPod touch with a phone in it. For what it costs I don't think it is worth it.

eXo

07-15-2008, 4:59 PM

here below find the italian plans:

http://www.macitynet.it/artimgs/aA33173/img3.jpg

http://www.macitynet.it/artimgs/aA33237/img2.jpg

they are very expensive and they don't have a good internet flat :(

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BlackHood

07-20-2008, 4:48 PM

I've had my iPone 16GB for 4 days now, and as much as i love it, Its definitely going back to the store.

The contract is a little over priced, and O2, the British carrier has very poor network coverage where I live. The phone its self is amazing though, and if you live in a city I would recommend it highly.

My sister paid around the same amount for a Samsung Tocco, and the iPhone hammers it into the ground. Though having said that, it is the one I'm getting as a replacement on a different network!

Texting is done in the same was as typing on an iPod touch, with a full keyboard, but the nice bit is that instead of messages you just have a conversation, with each message showing up bellow the one you sent. The 3G internet is great, if you have coverage, and you get unlimited WiFi and Data transfer as part of all the packages.

My single complaint is that Apple gave the contract to sell the iPhone to a company that has such poor coverage in the countryside. Its not like I'm in a field, I'm in a town of 600,000 people, but since its not a city, it doesn't get 3G.

If you can, buy it, you wont regret it. And its cheaper to buy the phone (16GB) than the iPod Touch if you're on contract already!

Ivan

07-20-2008, 11:20 PM

Yeah, but whether or not you're on a contract already you'll end up paying way more than an iPod touch in the end, correct?

I was really looking forward to it coming out in Australia, and stayed up all night just to watch the coverage of WWDC live (man, was I tired the next day...) just to see the new design. The only carrier I'd be able to get it on here is Telstra, and on prepaid (my parents don't trust me on a plan, for some reason), but there's no way I'm paying $729 for a phone, plus an unlocking fee (apparently Optus can legally unlock iPhones for $80, though I'm really unsure as to whether or not this is credible information). I played around with one in store, and I was actually rather unimpressed.

The SMS app, in my opinion, is ugly; the lack of widescreen SMS'ing makes it a pain to use the keyboard. NEVER have I been able to properly use the keyboard in Safari on my iPod unless it's in widescreen mode, so the lack of that ability with texting confused the hell out of me. There are also a lot of things I don't like about it, how you can't use your own music as a ringtone unless you purchase it for iTunes or in that small percentage of people that own a Mac and can use GarageBand to make tones...the rather low quality camera, especially on a brand new phone in this day and age...the fact it has an inbuilt battery, yes it does make it a lot thinner, but for those that replaced both their old phones and iPods with the iPhone will lose their device for a few days while Apple replaces the battery (this also comes in for if the phone becomes faulty during the warranty period).

BlackHood

07-21-2008, 1:25 PM

Allot of what you say is true, the ringtone problem is annoying, but it doesn't cripple the phone.

I've managed to send well over 100 texts, all correctly spelt and jsut as quickly as ona regular keyboard.

It really is only viable for people on contract though.

For example:

Current Contract = £30pm
Upgrade to 16GB iPhone = £159

Purchase of iPod Touch 16GB = £199

Therefore if you're already on an O2 contract then its worth doing. But only then! I'm not saying everyone should switch!