Twilight

[GCBC]

Ok, so I am a loser, and I finally read Twlight. A lot of my younger friends had been recommending it for a long time and I finally gave in. I am wondering what anyone here who has read it thinks. I know several people who love it, and others who think it is mediocre. What do you think the 4th book is going to be like? The movie? Discuss here because quite frankly I am an addict and need more.

[Whorelock]

Isn't it Twilight?

[GCBC]

How about instead of correcting my late night typo, you actually contribute something. :mad:

[Ercoledi]

I have been out of the Literature loop for a good 6 months now, and suddenly I notice huge hype over this book. It's obviously been a sleeper, seeing there's three of them, so why the sudden notice? What's so great about it? People are raving and, as far as I can tell, it's just another vampire book.

[Ricette]

I read the first book in the series. I couldn't bring myself to read any of the others. It smacked of boring, terribly predictable, and lame bullshit to be honest. The Edward character specifically smelled like a male Mary Sue character and Isabella was too dumb to be believed. I cannot see what people like about the series at all and the film seems to be a mistake and I'm afraid of what new crap this woman will churn out with the fourth book. These are an awful example of vampire literature.

[I Lick Vaginas]

Boring, but I can understand why people like it. It's ridiculously easy to read. It's comparable to the Da Vinci Code in that sense.

[Matt]

The recent surge of popularity is due to the movie being made about it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1099212/

[jewishjosh]

I thought it was popular because of preteen fangirls. :indiff:
Edit: case in point, I got the Real Jock ads on this page.

[bizzle]

Oh my gosh. Its totally my guilty please. My little sister made me read the first book then I read the second and third on my own. I can't wait for the fourth because they're finally going to bump uglies! Theres a movie coming out in December.

[GCBC]

Oh my gosh. Its totally my guilty please. My little sister made me read the first book then I read the second and third on my own. I can't wait for the fourth because they're finally going to bump uglies! Theres a movie coming out in December.

I'm glad SOMEONE likes it. And you described why I like it too perfectly. I think I also just really like the idea of having someone that completely devoted to me.

[Pachycephelosaurus]

I have been out of the Literature loop for a good 6 months now, and suddenly I notice huge hype over this book.

Aha! Aha! Aha! Aha!

Literature? You call Twilight literature? That's hilarious.

This is more trite bullshit churned out for the preteen girl masses. Hollow characters who do nothing more than live up to stereotypes, melodrama, and more blocks added to the tower of false expectations that people develop for their ideas about romance.

End angered English major's rant here...

[Inseln]

He's right you know. There was a great thread in here when I first joined, someone (Can't remember who) pointed out everything that was wrong with it and even though a shitload of people have reccomended it to me, I refuse to read it. Vampire are supposed to violent, actually wanting to suck blood and not fall in love. Not sparkle in the sun and love a plain and ordinary girl who sould have been smothered at birth.

You remember the Wicca series? How Cal was 'in love' with Morgan? He just wanted the sex, and her magic. He had reasons. Edward does not, and if any of those people were real then I would personally hunt them down and kill them.

Ther book is a serious disgrace to society and I don't know what on earth the publishers actually went through with the book. Someone must have accidentally put it in the "To print" pile. I think that pile must be very close to the "To burn" pile though, because amazingly there are three (soon to be four) books.

Now, go read every other great and successful vampire classics out there. Compare the books. Only thing they have in common would be the fact that there are vampires in the story (although, with Twilight, that's arguable).

EDIT: I found the thread! (http://forums.explosm.net/showthread.php?t=21130)

[Pieman]

People get worked up over these things too much. Literature obsessed people rush to attack the book, while fans rabidly jump at the slightest hint of critisism.

I personally 'have' the book, but have never read it before. I'm thinking about trying it, just to get my own opinion and side in these arguments.

[John Travolta]

It's times like these that I wish I was Hitler.

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[jewishjosh]

I personally 'have' the book, but have never read it before. I'm thinking about trying it, just to get my own opinion and side in these arguments.

Aren't you a guy? Or are you really a Piewoman?

I'm surprised - no, sickened - that a book embodying every little girl's daydream has turned into a 4+ part series with a movie forthcoming. For god's sake, use your own imagination when you masturbate to images of your future husband, and stop treating this fantasy like it's reality. Everyone's allowed a guilty pleasure but the success of this series shows how shallow our society has become.

(Just to clear this up, I wouldn't be caught dead reading the book, but just about every girl I know has so I hear a lot about it.)

[SODA]

Aren't you a guy? Or are you really a Piewoman?

I'm surprised - no, sickened - that a book embodying every little girl's daydream has turned into a 4+ part series with a movie forthcoming. For god's sake, use your own imagination when you masturbate to images of your future husband, and stop treating this fantasy like it's reality. Everyone's allowed a guilty pleasure but the success of this series shows how shallow our society has become.

(Just to clear this up, I wouldn't be caught dead reading the book, but just about every girl I know has so I hear a lot about it.)

Yeah why would they make a movie about something that appeals to more than 50% of the worlds population. :rolleyes:

[angst_muffin]

At risk of loosing my man-pants, I did read this book. Not willingly really, more of a pride thing; I avoid reviewing things without personal knowledge of the topic. That being said, I can honestly say that Twilight was not a good book. Granted, it was good only if the author decided right from the get-go that she was out to make a story that hormone-induced teenage girls would adore and it would completely change their views on romance. If that was the case, then mission accomplished.
However, I can't imagine any author actually writing with that in mind and still allow the book to take itself as seriously as Twilight takes itself.

[Inseln]

Meg Cabot called the book extremely sexist and demeaning to all females. She might be categorised as a feminist, but she's right.

Also more proof that it sucks. (http://shinga.deviantart.com/art/Head-Trip-Twilight-Sucks-85504254#)

[missxleah]

Any book that has young teens reading is fantastic to me. Perhaps it will become a stepping stone for teens to continue reading more advanced literature.

[Woosh]

I read the first book in the series. I couldn't bring myself to read any of the others. It smacked of boring, terribly predictable, and lame bullshit to be honest. The Edward character specifically smelled like a male Mary Sue character and Isabella was too dumb to be believed. I cannot see what people like about the series at all and the film seems to be a mistake and I'm afraid of what new crap this woman will churn out with the fourth book. These are an awful example of vampire literature.

THANK YOU! Someone finally knows what a mary sue is! so many people love it, but nearly every character is a mary sue, and it doesn't exactly promote a good image for women, Bella always needing to be rescued, and her one negative trait being a total Kluts, making her even more in need of her Gary stue ;(mary sue) edward.

[Woosh]

Meg Cabot called the book extremely sexist and demeaning to all females. She might be categorised as a feminist, but she's right.

Also more proof that it sucks. (http://shinga.deviantart.com/art/Head-Trip-Twilight-Sucks-85504254#)


feminist or not, it's a perfectly valid point

[Pieman]

THANK YOU! Someone finally knows what a mary sue is! so many people love it, but nearly every character is a mary sue, and it doesn't exactly promote a good image for women, Bella always needing to be rescued, and her one negative trait being a total Kluts, making her even more in need of her Gary stue ;(mary sue) edward.

I've known what a Mary Sue was since I was 9. Fanfiction teaches you alot of shit.

And you can't call it shit for her needing to be saved alot (There are much better reasons), because you'd be insulting a shit tonne of other books. The Damsel in Distress plot device is used everywhere, often to create a bond between the two characters as is shown here. Its done shittily, yes, but it does have a reason.

Aren't you a guy? Or are you really a Piewoman?

Its not as if I payed for the book, or even have a physical copy of it. I'd tell you more, but I don't want to get banned.

[Woosh]

I've known what a Mary Sue was since I was 9. Fanfiction teaches you alot of shit.

And you can't call it shit for her needing to be saved alot (There are much better reasons), because you'd be insulting a shit tonne of other books. The Damsel in Distress plot device is used everywhere, often to create a bond between the two characters as is shown here. Its done shittily, yes, but it does have a reason.

well that comment was toward twilight specifically.
strangely enough I learned the term through fanfic, too.
that's true, it's in a lot of books, but it's used beyond a reasonable amount in twilight, and the funny thing is, when twilight became really popular, it inspired much more hate for the author, and the story itself.
Plus, I never said that was the only reason twilight is bad, that's just one in a list of many.
The great thing about twilight, is there are so many things to hate, and insult, because of the way meyer fucked up her own book.

[I Lick Vaginas]

Any book that has young teens reading is fantastic to me. Perhaps it will become a stepping stone for teens to continue reading more advanced literature.

This didn't cross my mind, but I think this is a very good point. I hardly ever read, but I've recently found books I've taken an interest in and find myself reading more. More reading can't hurt someone, especially a generation as deprived as the one the book is targeted at.

[Glixz]

My English teacher recommended it to me and I started to read it and the next day all the girls I'm friends with are going on and on about how hot the characters are and how awesome vampires are. I am a fan of the series and slightly addicted but I'm annoyed at how teen girls are obsessed with the characters (the most desperately obsessed of my friends has not had a boyfriend before, this may suggest something of the truely obsessed readers of this book) and that they are talking about them as if they are real. I guess there will always be desperate girls to feed overly soppy romantic garbage to, and although this book is exactly that I can't help but be sucked in.

[BurgerKueen]

I'm a proud fangirl!

Now I admit, if Edward was real I'd be the first person to call him obsessive and over-possessive and whatnot, but hey, he's not! It's just a fun, silly book to read and get all dreamy over. If you accept it that way, I don't see why any girl shouldn't enjoy that book. My mom recommended the book to me, and I thought she must be out of her mind, but it ended up with me & 4 of my friends reading it aloud. Half the time we laughed at the way she kept describing Edward, but at the same time we couldn't help ourselves from going "SO??! What happens next?? Do they kiss!?"

I haven't had a chance to read the rest of the series yet, but I know I'm going to do that the first chance I get, see all the movies, and admit that I'm in fact obsessing over the series as if I was a preteen. I don't get why people spend so much time and effort trying to point out the things wrong with it. If anyone claims it's more than a silly pleasure, just roll your eyes and move on. Just because I've read and enjoyed "real" literature before doesn't mean I can't be allowed to give in to the Twilight craze. Go Team Edward!:boogie:

[Lintlicker]

The first time I heard about Twilight was back in November and it was being talked about in conjunction with the movie (as it was just about everytime I've heard someone mention it since then). It doesn't seem like anything I'd be into personally, and it's gets quite annoying when someone has to recommend it twice a week. But seeing as I haven't read it, I guess I shouldn't really criticize it.

[green rubber bands]

Any book that has young teens reading is fantastic to me. Perhaps it will become a stepping stone for teens to continue reading more advanced literature.

Or a stepping stone to them reading more of the same garbage.

[illustriousaffliction]

The way I see it, there's a reason it's so popular. It's got to be at least halfway good if so many people are so obsessed with it. I mean really, it outsold Harry Potter...

That being said, I love the books. I've read some pretty bad vampire books and believe me, it could be a lot worse. The writing is great ("The bouquets of brilliant anemones undulated ceaselessly in the invisible current…"), and I found the plot to be really interesting.

All the characters have faults, but I think Edward only seems like more of a "Mary Sue" (yes, I know what that is too) because he's a vampire that doesn't like to kill people. If he were human, I don't think he'd seem so good. Anyways, I don't see why having a lot of teenage girls read a book automatically makes it bad.

As for the movie, I've read the books dozens of times at least, so I know I'll hate the movies. I was already pointing out flaws in the trailor. =/ I hate most movies-from-books anyways. It just gives people another reason not to get off their lazy ass and read.

[missxleah]

It hasn't out sold Harry Potter.

Well if they continue to read the same "garbage" at least we know they're reading.

[Cristo]

I thought it was popular because of preteen fangirls. :indiff:
Edit: case in point, I got the Real Jock ads on this page.

Yep, this was my belief too.

I heard he's like a "nice vampire" because he doesn't eat humans, only animals (or was it tomato ketchup?) and that they "shimmer" in the sunlight rather than burn in anguish.

Why kind of pussy bullshit is that.

[Pachycephelosaurus]

The writing is great ("The bouquets of brilliant anemones undulated ceaselessly in the invisible current…"),

You do realize you fucked your point right out the window with that quote, right?

Case in fucking point. Twilight provides people with pseudo-literature that they read, absorb, and believe to be an example of good writing. Essentially, it's contributing to the dumbing down of the MTV generation. And they're fucked badly enough as it is.

Besides: "shimmering" vampires? Vampires are supposed to rip your fucking throat open and drink the blood that gushes out, not be your pussyfuck boyfriend.

[thecoolestjess]

I, for one, love the series.

But you guys do make valid arguments against the books. It's not something that everyone would like, and I can see where different things about the story would really turn some people off.

I suppose I rather enjoy the cheezy romantic side to it, and I've not read any other vampire novels so my knowledge is limited. (I thought Meyer's ideas were interesting and clever - yeah, even the sparkly vampire bit.) I enjoy the way she writes her characters, and I really love both Bella and Edward - annoying traits and all. Don't get me wrong, though. I love blood and guts and mayhem, and appreciate the vindictive, heartless creatures that vampires often seem to be portrayed as. But the different take on it interests me.

Not wanting to start up an argument here. There were just so much anti-Twilight in here that I had to throw in my point of view... :]

[BurgerKueen]

It's not a vampire novel. It's just a romance novel with a touch of fantasy to make Edward likable. He wouldn't be so appealing if he was a real human. It just satisfies the teen hunger for love and romance and if they're stupid enough to think it's great literature, I don't think it would matter for them if Twilight was written or not. There's no helping them. :indiff:

[Sesshy]

I stopped reading after the first few posts because all anyone here is doing, pretty much, is criticizing the series.

I, for one, love it.
Call me a little fan girl for thinking that romance is cute, but really on the inside I'm a huge sap.
I love the romance, and cuteness between Edward and Bella. And I also love that she needs to be rescued all the time.
I'm a klutz, completely, (I am a Polak after all, I take after my father in that way) and I don't find it demeaning that she needs a beau to help her all the time. I often need the same thing when I'm in a sticky situation.
It would be wildly normal for me, so I relate to her in that way.
All in all, I'm very excited for the next book to come out, and I love the series as a whole.
I remember not wanting to read it because of all the hype, and how thankful I was when I finally gave in.
This book isn't for everyone though, I won't attack you for not liking it if you don't attack me for loving it. xP

[Allen]

Oh Christ. These books are fucking shit. These books are shit because stupid people read them. That's why I haven't read them. My girlfriend reads this bullshit, so I have to hear about it all the time. It's really fucking gay. I don't like anything about vampires that doesn't involve slaying. Vampires can't be symbols of perfection! They're fucking evil and need to be exterminated.

What a shit concept.

[Homemaster]

This is why I plan to write a vampire novel where the vampires are humans that are infused with the essence of demons after having given up their souls for eternal life. They sneak around in the sewers/other dakr places and feed off human beings. And then there are the slayers/hunters.

Werewolves, too, will be made awesome.

And clearly people like Allen will love it.

[BurgerKueen]

Or Allen is just mad his girlfriend wants him to be like Edward and he can't.

Anyways aren't there tons of vampire novels gushing with blood and evil vampires? Let the teen girls have their Twilight.

[Homemaster]

They have it. Now let's agree that Twilight sucks but for some reason you all like it.

More like 30 Days of Night, less like Underworld.

[Erinnn]

My little sister has been trying to get me to read the series for the longest time now. But, I'm not giving in. I see chicks all over my school reading it. You know, the ones who think they're being 'dark' and 'hardcore' when they read it. I figure, if my little sister reads books about cats talking and fighting and having their own clans, The Warriors Series, then I don't believe I want to read that book.

[Sesshy]

Let's AGREE that it sucks?
What kinda of big-headed statement is that?
Let's all AGREE on your OPINION.
Maybe this hasn't occurred to you yet, but um, not EVERYONE shares that view.

I agree with BurgerKueen, little girls like vampires too, and not in the same way that men do. Men like the 'lolz bad azz vamps' crap. Not everyone is into it.

Don't like the series, simple thing you can do. DON'T READ IT. If some one is talking about it, raving about it, or anything else, there's a funny little thing us humans are able to do.

It's called IGNORING. =D

[PyroBunny]

I stopped reading after the first few posts because all anyone here is doing, pretty much, is criticizing the series.

I, for one, love it.
Call me a little fan girl for thinking that romance is cute, but really on the inside I'm a huge sap.
I love the romance, and cuteness between Edward and Bella. And I also love that she needs to be rescued all the time.
I'm a klutz, completely, (I am a Polak after all, I take after my father in that way) and I don't find it demeaning that she needs a beau to help her all the time. I often need the same thing when I'm in a sticky situation.
It would be wildly normal for me, so I relate to her in that way.
All in all, I'm very excited for the next book to come out, and I love the series as a whole.
I remember not wanting to read it because of all the hype, and how thankful I was when I finally gave in.
This book isn't for everyone though, I won't attack you for not liking it if you don't attack me for loving it. xP

You're precisely right, although I find girls needing to be rescued all the time slightly annoying. But that's just me. Don't hate me. =[

But somewhere over the rainbow, way up high, this could possibly be a very good book and movie. But what would I know, I haven't read any of it nor do I know anything about it. I'm such a douche sometimes.

Now let's agree that Twilight sucks but for some reason you all like it.

Wow, that's a pretty vain statement right there.

[Pieman]

My internet was down for ten days, so I ended up reading my completely legally attained copy of the book.

The author sucks at characterisation. This has to be said. And the throwaway psuedo-intellectual statements are fucking annoying.

There aren't really many other problems that I found. Nor any remarkabley good points.

I was about to read the second book, before I said "Fuck this shit, I'm reading Dresden."

[CheesePlease]

I agree with BurgerKueen, little girls like vampires too, and not in the same way that men do. Men like the 'lolz bad azz vamps' crap. Not everyone is into it.

I'm a teenage girl and would MUCH rather read a book about vampires fucking humanity over than this bullshit.

I tried reading the book a little while ago and could hardly get through the first couple chapters. It was terrible.

[InTransit]

I'm a teenage girl and would MUCH rather read a book about vampires fucking humanity over than this bullshit.



Back when I was a teenage girl I WAS reading books about vampires fucking over humanity. And stuff like that. And the Babysitter's Club. But these are the kind of books that can get girls into vampires, and later on into the vampires ripping peoples jugulars with their bare teeth and sucking out all the blood in their victim's bodies, with drips of crimson blood dropping onto their bare chest. I'm so going to write a vampire book now.

[danistar]

Um. I have read all four books and yet have to be immensely obsessed with them.
I find them incredulously interesting and yet can maintain my feet on the ground and say they're not real. The fourth book made a great ending. I suggest you read up to it.

I find the movie capable of ripping to shreds Twilight....but then that's my crazed opinion.

[Pachycephelosaurus]

Um. I have read all four books and yet have to be immensely obsessed with them.
I find them incredulously interesting and yet can maintain my feet on the ground and say they're not real. The fourth book made a great ending. I suggest you read up to it.

I find the movie capable of ripping to shreds Twilight....but then that's my crazed opinion.

You use too many inappropriate and poorly matched adjectives. Not to mention the word "yet" needs a little break after all that. As does your thesaurus.

Any one else notice the trend of lowered grammar skills and higher levels of pseudo-intellectualism in the Twilight fans?

As for whoever said the bullshit about girls liking vampires that shit sprinkles, here's the thing: vampires are an established concept. They were created as a certain thing, and the author of these books doesn't just put her own spin on this concept; she bastardizes it. If she wanted to make her own group of people who get all sparkly in the sunlight, then she could have gone right ahead. Instead, she's putting a dumbed down version of a cool concept in the hands of people who will never fucking stop talking about some imaginary, not to mention two dimensional, character.

Sorry, but it's fucking annoying.

Now let's agree that Twilight sucks but for some reason you all like it.
What he said.

[hoopymo]

The thing about vampires is the original image has been around for hundreds of years (based on vlad the impaler i'm led to believe) and shouldn't be gay'd up, it would be fine if the writer hadn't made them vampires that are pussy's ,just some pussy race similar to vampires.

You use too many inappropriate and poorly matched adjectives. Not to mention the word "yet" needs a little break after all that. As does your thesaurus.

Any one else notice the trend of lowered grammar skills and higher levels of pseudo-intellectualism in the Twilight fans?

As for whoever said the bullshit about girls liking vampires that shit sprinkles, here's the thing: vampires are an established concept. They were created as a certain thing, and the author of these books doesn't just put her own spin on this concept; she bastardizes it. If she wanted to make her own group of people who get all sparkly in the sunlight, then she could have gone right ahead. Instead, she's putting a dumbed down version of a cool concept in the hands of people who will never fucking stop talking about some imaginary, not to mention two dimensional, character.

Sorry, but it's fucking annoying.



Damn you for posting a much better worded and explained version of my post at the same time.

[Pieman]

The thing about vampires is the original image has been around for hundreds of years (based on vlad the impaler i'm led to believe) and shouldn't be gay'd up, it would be fine if the writer hadn't made them vampires that are pussy's ,just some pussy race similar to vampires.

Aye, vampires were based on Vlad the Impaler (Vlad Dracul, with an A added to mean "Son of" Dracul meaning "Devil" or "Dragon") and Judas (Which gave them the weakness to silver, and sunlight).

How the fuck did she turn the combo of these two into Edward?

[hoopymo]

She looked at what the most shallow stupidest teenage girls wanted to see in men and thought "vampires are awesome i think i'll fuck up hundreds of years of legend and folklore to make some cash and get some teenage girls wet".

[lucky]

I read the first book. While I found the way she fucked up what a vampire is supposed to be kinda annoying, I figure 'its fiction, she can do what she wants, whatever'. the thing that got to me though, was how poorly I thought it was written.
The characters are flat, all we hear about Bella is her being a huge clutz and always needing to be saved. That concept got old for me fast. I don't think Edward was mentioned once without some sort of description of his blinding beauty.I really don't fucking care if he sparkles in sunlight, just get on with the story.
Her writing in general was bland but every once in a while she would try to spice it up and make it sound deep and well written. In order to do this, she would stuff as many huge adjectives in one sentance as possible. I think it just made her sound even worse.
I guess the book would be find for someone who enjoys those romance type novels you can buy in IGA but it just didn't do it for me. I won't go as far to say I absolutely hated it and I certainly won't bash people who do enjoy the book. I just think they really weren't written well.

[BurgerKueen]

I've read the first chapter of Midnight Sun (Twilight from Edward's point of view) and even as a fan, I found that much more interesting if any of you care. There's more of that "oh shit I wanna rip her apart and suck her blood what am I going to do". But it's not published or anything yet so who knows how it will turn out.

I find it enjoyable whatever you guys say. I guess I just buy into all the popular culture vampires; Edward, Angel...:lol:

[Cristo]

The author sucks at characterisation. This has to be said. And the throwaway psuedo-intellectual statements are fucking annoying.


Have you got any examples of that? I'm never going to read the books but I am interested, solely because I hate when people try their hardest to be erudite. Also because it's fodder for my cannons of hate for this piece of fiction.

[Glixz]

Despite the criticism and the fact I KNOW this is a book I shouldn't like, I've read them all including the fourth. I like the series even though it isn't something I should like (I dislike the fantasy genre).

For anyone who has read the first or all of the first three books, the fourth book is a good idea if you want to find out how everything works out but personally I think it is written a little worse than the other books (and theres over 700 pages of that, yes you people who hate the series could say how can it possibly be worse). It has a pretty neat little plot line and a few twists (some predictable, others not so much) and it's worth the read if you are a fan of the series, otherwise if you are reading for the first time start with the first book because a few parts in the fourth are just too long winded to hold interest if you don't know what is happening.

[Pieman]

("The bouquets of brilliant anemones undulated ceaselessly in the invisible current…")

I was tossing around the idea of opening up the book and posting one of them, but this quote here saves me the hassle and eyeburn.

[Cristo]

Ah right, I read that earlier. That's absolutely awful.

[John Travolta]

I'm going to start reading them because I'm gay but I don't know how to tell my parents.

[GCBC]

Show them a picture of Cristo and tell them he's your new best friend. That will at least put a hint of the idea into their heads. Just kidding.

Seriously though, I guess I started into the books knowing that they were written for 13 year old girls thus expecting relatively stupid writing and content or whatever. Therefore my immediate reaction wasn't "OMG what shit, this blows" etc...

[VampiricLord99]

I was actually thinking about reading these. But then I saw the trailer for the movie. Do I run a risk of catching gay from reading it? Obviously I'm a vampire fan, but from reading posts it doesn't seem like this is a "30 Days of Night" or "Legacy of Kain" sorta thing, which is what I love.

Edit: Reading over it, I realized I compared a book to a video game. What I meant was "Is this book badass like other forms of vampire media?"

[Haggis McSpud]

Now don't be hating, but I was recommended the first book by my boyfriend who loves it ^^, and at first I was skeptical, But I've read all three books and I'll probably start the newest one tomorrow and I think that they are genuinely good books, and I'm not some dopey teenage girl creaming over some fictional character, I just genuinely enjoyed the storyline and although it does get a bit soppy now and again I like the authors style of writing. I don't think it's worth all the fuss though

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[Allen]

I was actually thinking about reading these. But then I saw the trailer for the movie. Do I run a risk of catching gay from reading it? Obviously I'm a vampire fan, but from reading posts it doesn't seem like this is a "30 Days of Night" or "Legacy of Kain" sorta thing, which is what I love.

Edit: Reading over it, I realized I compared a book to a video game. What I meant was "Is this book badass like other forms of vampire media?"

We have established that it is not.

It's for fagdykes who can't handle vampire badassery.

[Alcoholic]

With HoopyMo and the majority of Allen's opinions: everything fucking gays up vampire mythology. Take the original legends (you guys are right, from Vlad Tepes II, Judas, and baby thieves) and Stoker's novel, and leave it well the fuck alone.

All the new cocksucking bullshit makes vampires look like emo "goth" faggots, when the originals were clever, sharply-dressed, vicious individuals.
Fuck the shit out of that "Underworld" nonsense. That's fourteen year-old styled pretentious notion and talk.

Tee-hee! Let's make vampires for girls too!
If you have to shift things around, you don't even want vampires.
Also, "goth" does not imply a style of dress, but a time period not involving the attire of self-loathing. You're trying to dress like Victorian-era homosexuals. Way to go, looking tough and all.

And I would totally fuck Kate Beckinsale.

[hoopymo]

from reading posts it doesn't seem like this is a "30 Days of Night" or "Legacy of Kain" sorta thing, which is what I love.

Edit: Reading over it, I realized I compared a book to a video game. What I meant was "Is this book badass like other forms of vampire media?"

Thats because Legacy of Kain is one of the greatest storylines of anything,ever.

They should make them into books as they already have good strong characters and stories, and they could easily expand on them and make fantastic novels.

[GCBC]

We have established that it is not.

It's for fagdykes who can't handle vampire badassery.

Or for 12 year old girls who aren't mature enough to handle said badassery yet, or whose parents are still trying to keep the child like innocence in them for a couple more years yet.

Maybe you'd understand if you knew what it was like to be a 12 year old girl with new found crushes on boys and shit like that.

Tee-hee! Let's make vampires for girls too!

AND WHY THE FUCK NOT? :mad:

[Slutty McBangerton]

My little sister (who I believe is around the age of 12) is mildly obsessed with these books. Personally, I think its a good thing that she's found books that she likes as up until recently I was under the impression that she couldn't read.

She told me to read them, and as I found myself with loads of time on my hands, I did read them. I was indifferent to them as they weren't the worst books that I read but they certainly weren't the type of book I'm into, but I don't think my agegroup is what the books are aimed at.

I really don't see why some users are getting all hot and bothered overs these books because if you don't like, don't read them.

[Firekirin]

Twilight is God. Even if you should say not on this forum, it is a lie. Coming from your anus.
(We're allowed to say "anus" right?)

[Pieman]

Care to explain why it is God? This is a discussion, and as one of the only supporters of the book you're going to need alot of arguments to back you up.

Try debunking the Psuedo- Intellectual throwaways, 1 dimensional characters and utter perfection of everyone first. The first because its mine, and the other 2 because they're two of the main reasons people dislike it.

[hoopymo]

Care to explain why it is God? This is a discussion, and as one of the only supporters of the book you're going to need alot of arguments to back you up.

Try debunking the Psuedo- Intellectual throwaways, 1 dimensional characters and utter perfection of everyone first. The first because its mine, and the other 2 because they're two of the main reasons people dislike it.

The author is a Nazi, simple as that.

[Firekirin]

Care to explain why it is God? This is a discussion, and as one of the only supporters of the book you're going to need alot of arguments to back you up.

Try debunking the Psuedo- Intellectual throwaways, 1 dimensional characters and utter perfection of everyone first. The first because its mine, and the other 2 because they're two of the main reasons people dislike it.
Well, Bella isn't utterly perfect. I will say the vampires are.
That's the keyword. Vampire. Vampires are always utterly perfect.
Edward makes lots of mistakes anyway, so does everybody. If you read Breaking Dawn, there are a lot of different things that go on with the vampires. I'm not sure what 1 dimensional character means.... sorry.

[AnnaNemyss]

Ok, so I am a loser, and I finally read Twlight. A lot of my younger friends had been recommending it for a long time and I finally gave in. I am wondering what anyone here who has read it thinks. I know several people who love it, and others who think it is mediocre. What do you think the 4th book is going to be like? The movie? Discuss here because quite frankly I am an addict and need more.

I finally read the first book not too long ago and it was....ok.
It reminded me a lot of a good series of books, the Anita Blake series as a matter of fact. The only difference is that Anita is older, raises the dead for a living, and kills vampires, aside dating them as well.

[Inseln]

Because of my intense hatred for those books, and my perfectly sound desire to kill the author, half of the people I grew up with outside of school hate me and refuse to even speak to me. I swear, they have posters of Edward in their rooms ih lipstick kisss and shit al over them.

Anyway, just for the record, twilght fans? Have you ever read any other vampire book? Or just that series?

[Pieman]

Well, Bella isn't utterly perfect. I will say the vampires are.
That's the keyword. Vampire. Vampires are always utterly perfect.
Edward makes lots of mistakes anyway, so does everybody. If you read Breaking Dawn, there are a lot of different things that go on with the vampires. I'm not sure what 1 dimensional character means.... sorry.

Vampires aren't supposed to be utterly perfect, they have to have some weaknesses. Death if you don't feed on humans, garlic, holy stuff, SUNLIGHT. These vampires have had all their weaknesses turned into things that make them "SO HOT".

Bella isn't utterly perfect, no. She has one flaw, she's clumsy as fuck. Which is there so the author can reuse the Damsel in Distress plot device a thousand times.

And by one dimensional, I mean they have no depth to them.

[Alcoholic]

Vampires aren't supposed to be utterly perfect, they have to have some weaknesses. Death if you don't feed on humans, garlic, holy stuff, SUNLIGHT. These vampires have had all their weaknesses turned into things that make them "SO HOT".

Bella isn't utterly perfect, no. She has one flaw, she's clumsy as fuck. Which is there so the author can reuse the Damsel in Distress plot device a thousand times.

And by one dimensional, I mean they have no depth to them.

In Stoker's book, sunlight never killed the count. It only weakened his abilities and the power of the those left.

[Pieman]

Key word, weakened. He has a weakness, based off one of the people vampires are based on (Judas for the sunlight thing). In Twilight they merely glitter in the sun, making them pretty as fuck.

[Alcoholic]

Key word, weakened. He has a weakness, based off one of the people vampires are based on (Judas for the sunlight thing). In Twilight they merely glitter in the sun, making them pretty as fuck.

Shit, that's the cutest vampire I've ever heard of.

[Kass]

Twilight has reassured me that I have absolutely no taste in literature, because I actually like it.
I'm severely disappointed in myself and am thinking of never opening another book again.

[peasupplyco]

Twilight has reassured me that I have absolutely no taste in literature, because I actually like it.
I'm severely disappointed in myself and am thinking of never opening another book again.

You shouldn't.

Don't even read magazines.

[Tastychainsaws]

Sadly I have a habit that when I pick up a book I HAVE to finish the series no matter how much I hate it. I just don't like guessing how it ends.

WELL ANYWAYS I have to say Twilight had some of the worse characters I've ever seen in a book. We have Bella who seems to be a spitting image of my ex-girlfriend you know the whole "Boys don't like me blah blah blah I don't deserve his love blah blah blah no one likes me!"

And Edward...Well I don't like characters who have no flaws. Thats boring and crappy writing.

Then I read New Moon. Which was 300 pages of Bella whining and bitching and whining and bitching and bitching some more. But I won't spoil the rest.

But honestly who the fuck really enjoys these books?

[Cristo]

Ok so I started reading the first book in the series, and it's not completely shit like it was said to be on here.

1st. Granted the writing is awful and superfluous: "The snow flakes created a fantastic, gorgeous pattern" or His voice was low, and attractively appealing.

Pretty bad, she tries too sound to paint a vivid image but ends up overwhelming the reader.

2nd. The characters are really hollow. I don't feel anything for Mike, Eric, Jess or any of them. They're boring and plastic.

3rd. We get it! You're really fucking clumsy and terrible at lying, you don't have to point it out alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll of the time or every time you do something clumsy or have to lie. Which is always.

The only thing that saves this is the storyline, I keep reading it. I don't know why, it's not like it's particularly exhilarating but I'm a sucker for High School stuff like this, especially the movies.

[Haggis McSpud]

Despite the criticism and the fact I KNOW this is a book I shouldn't like, I've read them all including the fourth. I like the series even though it isn't something I should like (I dislike the fantasy genre).

For anyone who has read the first or all of the first three books, the fourth book is a good idea if you want to find out how everything works out but personally I think it is written a little worse than the other books (and theres over 700 pages of that, yes you people who hate the series could say how can it possibly be worse). It has a pretty neat little plot line and a few twists (some predictable, others not so much) and it's worth the read if you are a fan of the series, otherwise if you are reading for the first time start with the first book because a few parts in the fourth are just too long winded to hold interest if you don't know what is happening.

The forth book was really confusing, I mean the first three books were ok, if boring, but the last book was just really silly in my opinion I was actually hoping Bella died, just to make it a little more realistic

[Tastychainsaws]

The forth book was really confusing, I mean the first three books were ok, if boring, but the last book was just really silly in my opinion I was actually hoping Bella died, just to make it a little more realistic

I've been hoping that since she got on the airplane on the first book during the first 5 pages of it.

[Cristo]

Honestly, her ever apparent clumsiness must end in her amazingly grizzly death at some point.

Death by combine harvester perhaps?

[Tastychainsaws]

Honestly, her ever apparent clumsiness must end in her amazingly grizzly death at some point.

Death by combine harvester perhaps?

Well since farming in that region of Washington is impossible. (To many hills) I was half thinking when she was running after Edward dumped her she would fall into one of the areas many small rivers get swept down stream and bludgeoned to death by the rocks But nooo. But more realistically I would expect her to swerve off the road since the roads are presumed wet and slippery and her truck would roll down a large hill and she would be mangled beyond recognition during the process.

[stfu]

I've never really gotten into the series. After just barely reading the first book I decided I couldn't keep interest in it and gave up on reading the rest.

[Haggis McSpud]

I still like the first three books, but I'm a bit pissed off that they're being referred to as "The next Harry Potter". No, just no people. Wizards beat vampires hands down.

[Cristo]

Well, no.

Wizards beat shimmering, girly vampires.
Vampires beat wizards everyday.

[Alcoholic]

But Jonathon Harker beats vampires, and has anyone made a book about him?
Oh, yeah, it's called Dracula.

[Glixz]

The forth book was really confusing, I mean the first three books were ok, if boring, but the last book was just really silly in my opinion I was actually hoping Bella died, just to make it a little more realistic


Well I should have added in by neat I meant it ended too perfectly. It just wrapped up in such a way that everybody left happy and I actually didn't liked that. SOMEONE should have died miserable or something. Although it is a young adult book so I couldn't have expected much better.

[TheSwanAndTomatoes]

Dracula is by far the better novel. I'll admit Twilight and co. had its moments, but yes, the characters were predictable and flat, and you always knew what was coming. There was no suspense, any plot twists involved repeating characters in different situations. I did enjoy the books, but I did want something better to happen. It felt like something was missing, some crucial element that would make this a good book and not a 14yrold girl fest. Maybe the sparkly skin did it. The only vampire who was cool was jasper, who was covered in scars and shit, cuz he was cool like that

[Pieman]

Well, no.

Wizards beat shimmering, girly vampires.
Vampires beat wizards everyday.

Actually, Twilight vampires are perfect with absolutely no weaknesses. Yet Harry Potter is always saved by some Deux Ex Machina.

Its a cat-toast scenario, isn't it?

[Tweek]

Nothing beats a wizard, motherfucker.

[Cristo]

Except a blood-thirsty thousand year old Vampire, who's all out of gum and looking to kickass.

Also Pieman, the Vampire's weakness in my opinion is their shimmery, girliness.

[Tastychainsaws]

Except a blood-thirsty thousand year old Vampire, who's all out of gum and looking to kickass.

Also Pieman, the Vampire's weakness in my opinion is their shimmery, girliness.

And just like spiderman they have feelings. If I were Edward I would have fed on that bitch first chance I got and then possible would have done questionable things to her.

[Cristo]

I keep wanting Bella to tell Edward to bite her and make her a vampire so they can live together forever

:hmm:

STOP! Before you spoil that would be ending for me, I'll have you know I'm only on Chapter 8 of the first book.

[Roxi]

Okay, so first, those who haven't read the books and are posting about how awful they are need to spend less time on the internet. I'm fine with you having a negative opinion about a book you've read, but not something that you've heard about from someone
else, watched a movie trailer for, or started and gave up halfway into the first chapter.

I will admit that the first book in this series was pretty cheesy. I did love it for what it was, a light, easy romance book that actually had some original ideas. This was this author's first novel, and yeah, it wasn't the best she was capable of, she did grow a lot since then. It's idiotic to criticize the author for making vampires that don't follow the traditional style. How many books are out there that are the deadly vampire, ripping throats and being hunted by the slayers that have devoted their life to eradicating them, insert overly graphic sex scene in somewhere type? It's ridiculous to say that Stephenie Meyer shouldn't call her vampires vampires, just because she decided to come up with her own ideas.

As for her characters, they might seem a bit flat in the first book, but it is written in first person, and it's a bit hard to explore other characters as well in that form. Bella's character does get much more developed in the rest of the series.

Also, keep in mind that it IS a young adult book. It's written for teenage girls, and it's easy for them to relate to. When you compare it to most of the rubbish out there that passes for teen romance, it's definitely superior. I suggest reading The Host, Stephenie Meyer's fourth book, and only novel for adults, which isn't about vampires, and is much more well-written.

The last novel, Breaking Dawn, was in my opinion the best in the series. It was completely different than the first book. It's interesting to note though that most Twilight fans pretty much hated it.

[Water-Sheerie]

I will admit that the first book in this series was pretty cheesy. I did love it for what it was, a light, easy romance book that actually had some original ideas. This was this author's first novel, and yeah, it wasn't the best she was capable of, she did grow a lot since then. It's idiotic to criticize the author for making vampires that don't follow the traditional style. How many books are out there that are the deadly vampire, ripping throats and being hunted by the slayers that have devoted their life to eradicating them, insert overly graphic sex scene in somewhere type? It's ridiculous to say that Stephenie Meyer shouldn't call her vampires vampires, just because she decided to come up with her own ideas.

I fail to see what original ideas Meyer has had. Twilight is like a shittier version of The Silver Kiss, which was a decent book but not awesome to begin with (The Silver Kiss came first, so it's easy to see who copied from who). The biggest issue about Meyer's vampires isn't that they are different from the traditional ideas of vampires, it's that there is no reason for them to be different. There is no reason for these vampires to walk in sunlight, and to sparkle no less.

Anne Rice had a vampire, Akasha, who could walk in sunlight. However, within Rice's vampire world, vampire would gain powers with age. Akasha was the oldest, the first, and so the most powerful. Able to withstand the sunlight, the books noted that it only 'bronzed her skin.'

Meyer has no reason for her vampries having this power of glitter. Beyond some half-ass explanation of them having 'diamond skin.' Which still makes no sense, since diamonds sparkle as a result of their facets and also the way they are cut. If vampires have 'diamond skin', then the sparkling would result from faceted skin. And faceted skin would mean that the vampires could literally cut or scratch someone/something with the mere touch of their skin. Also, if one vampire were to collide with another, then the 'diamond skin' would mean that both vampires would shatter...which would be kind of a cool as weakness for her vampires, but alas Meyer's vampiric race of Suse must have no weakness. They must be perfect. :barf:

Also, her vampires have no weaknesses. Sunlight was one weakness that a writer could use. Meyer's vampires...and I use that word loosely, have no weakness. They can't be hurt or killed by anything, except by anther vampire...which doesn't really count. It means humans have nothing on them, and turns Meyer's psuedo-vampires into a race of Sues.

And really, what does 'sparkling' do for the vampires? Nothing, it's the most vapid unimaginative thing I have come across in vampire fiction.

As for her characters, they might seem a bit flat in the first book, but it is written in first person, and it's a bit hard to explore other characters as well in that form. Bella's character does get much more developed in the rest of the series.

First person is difficult to write in, however this doesn't excuse poor character development. The reason the other characters are so flat and basically nonexistant, is very simple. Bella is a Mary Sue, as such the other characters only exist to make her look good. There is no other purpose for them. And because Bella is a Sue, her character suffers as well. Her character has no purpose beyond being the love interest of Edward, the Stue to end all Stues. She loves Edward...and that about sums up her character development.

She really loves Edward...

She loves him so much her life goes into a downward spiral when he's not there.

She would die without Edward.

Get the picture? As a character, Bella has no existance or character beyond 'loving Edward.'

Also, keep in mind that it IS a young adult book. It's written for teenage girls, and it's easy for them to relate to. When you compare it to most of the rubbish out there that passes for teen romance, it's definitely superior. I suggest reading The Host, Stephenie Meyer's fourth book, and only novel for adults, which isn't about vampires, and is much more well-written.


I have to say this particular excuse annoys me. Basically you are saying that the quality of a book doesn't matter when it's readers are younger. So young teenage girls are idiots who don't care whether they read shit or not. Just because the readers are younger, doesn't mean that they are so incredibly stupid that they can't read and understand a good book.

Twilight is one of the worst kind of rubbish to pass as a teen romance. It's not romantic, since there has yet to be any evidence of actual love in that book. And it sends an appalling mesage to young girls.

The Host was worse, in that Meyer showed no improvment as a writer. One would think that after a couple books she would gain some skill as a writer. Instead The Host showed the same clunky purple-prose filled writing, with another shoddy attempt at writing a romance.

[Cristo]

I just saw a huge bit on CNN about it, and it was pretty embarrassing. Hundreds of screaming girls, Stephanie Meyer being compared to JK Rowling... it's ridiculous to say the least.

I posted a post about it in the other topic.

[John Travolta]

Thanks Cristo, nobody would know what to do if you weren't here to tell us about CNN stories on children books.

[Haggis McSpud]

To compare Twilight to Harry Potter is blasphemy! But to compare Susan Meyer to J.K Rowling is about right, since they're both bitches.

[RotO]

The main thing that I have trouble swallowing about the pro-twilight arguments is, 'At least it's getting people to read,' or 'Remember they're for young adults!'

Kids are not retarded, they don't need trite shoved in their faces and people telling them that this is all they can comprehend. That they don't know what 'real' emotions are and that they can't think on several different levels instead of one. This is the problem with these books, they're enablers for the dumbing down of society.

[Cristo]

The main thing that I have trouble swallowing about the pro-twilight arguments is, 'At least it's getting people to read,' or 'Remember they're for young adults!'

Kids are not retarded, they don't need trite shoved in their faces and people telling them that this is all they can comprehend. That they don't know what 'real' emotions are and that they can't think on several different levels instead of one. This is the problem with these books, they're enablers for the dumbing down of society.

Actually a lot of kids today are fucking retarded and bordeing on being illiterate monkeys so the fact that they're reading is good, since they might realise their mistakes at some point and start reading proper books.

[redcherries]

the twilight saga is sooooooooo good!!! I din`t realy like the second book... It made bella look kind of dead. lol!!=)

[Cristo]

the twilight saga is sooooooooo good!!! I din`t realy like the second book... It made bella look kind of dead. lol!!=)

This is exactly why people hate the Twilight series.

[Wackomyjacko]

I do like the Twilight Saga, but it's not that great. It's like a rip off mix of both Klause's books The Silver Kiss and Blood and Chocolate. It's not an original idea, but it still hooks you in somehow.

[Haggis McSpud]

This is exactly why people hate the Twilight series.

Because of the second book, or because of the person who said it?

[asphysciated_emus]

Because of the type of people it attracts

[BurgerKueen]

AND because of the second book. That was when I started hating it.

[Cristo]

Because of the second book, or because of the person who said it?

The person.

[blacksurge]

the twilight saga is sooooooooo good!!! I din`t realy like the second book... It made bella look kind of dead. lol!!=)

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[Bayview05]

Who is going to see the Twilight movie in November?

[BurgerKueen]

I'll probably see it because I'm still a loser for the first book:wail: And I wanna see how it turns out. I think the movies will be cooler than the books.

[Inseln]

I'll go to the opening near me and throw rotten food at the people lining up for it.

[MistyTehMoose]

I'll go to the opening near me and throw rotten food at the people lining up for it.

Because that isn't childish at all.

[Ziggy St. Valentine]

It may be childish but it sure as hell sounds fun!

[Pieman]

I want to go to it for some reason. Not even to insult people. Or at least not until I get back on the internet. I'm either subconciously giving into my sappy side, or I want more stuff to throw at fangirls. I hope to god its the latter.

[hoe_14]

i have never read them but i prob will they did look good ...i thought the movie looked awesome

[ahlfy]

I thought the first book was decent (I only read the first one). It wasn't my favorite, but the one huge problem I had with it was how Bella instantly fell in love with that dude. In my eyes that is very unrealistic, especially in high school and with her first boyfriend, honestly. She couldn't make her older, or more experienced with relationships, she just happens to fall in love with her very first boyfriend. Give me a break.

[Propaganda]

I am going to see this on the 18th. Should I read the books first?

[Raxo]

Nah the movie will more than enough to satisfy your need for sappy crappy vampire love stories.

[MistyTehMoose]

I have finally jumped on the bandwagon and started reading Twilight. I'm almost done, and have bought New Moon in preparation for when I finish the first =D Now I can understand why there are fans, and also why there are people who don't like it. The first few chapters bother me a lot, because all Bella does is complain and describe what she is wearing, but I think that works, because the later in the book it gets (and the more involved with Edward she gets) she pays less attention to it, which kind of shows the things that are running through her head.

I honestly feel it would be better if it weren't written in first person. I think writing in first person is a bit of a copout, but at least this way she makes double the cash by writing it in Edward's perspective too :P

I am enjoying it so far. It's not particularly well written, although I think Sheerie's comment about 'full of purple prose' is a little bit over the top. She has her moments where it shits me off (ie- The brilliant anenomes etc etc) but for the most part the language is very simplistic. It's just entertaining, and that's that. It is like picking apart the construct of a TV show like The OC or Gossip Girl- it's trashy, yet entertaining. They aren't trying to be classics, nor will I call any of them one.

[BurgerKueen]

I had pretty much the exact same thoughts as you when I'd only read Twilight, the rest highly disappointed me though. I might go back and read Twilight if I have time, just to remember why I'd liked in the first place.

[kellykawaii]

To be completely honest I didn't really like Twilight but I decided to continue to read the rest of the books just to finish the saga, I just started Breaking Dawn and I'm pathetically hooked. I got more and more into the story as I continued to read and got further through each book.
I think Eclipse has been my favorite so far but New Moon is a very close second. I still feel that Twilight wasn't a great book but I can appreciate it a lot more than when I first read it, I'm starting to warm to Bella a little more now aswell but she still bothers me at times.

I probably will go see the movie too, just to see how it turns out in comparison to the book.

[Tabitha]

I understand why some women like the books, but i do not
i managed to push myself through the first book, but i started the second and couldn't handle it.
they are the most predictable crap i've ever read.
the plot is paper thin.
if you enjoy a warm fuzzy feeling from imagining your life is not so lonely and unromantic you will LOVE these books.

...i write better smut than that...

[MistyTehMoose]

My life isn't lonely at all, I just found it entertaining. I also find the characters shallow and predictable, but who cares. No one ever said it was well written or a well thought out storyline, it's just entertaining.

I just finished New Moon, which I thought was better then the first. The ending pissed me off though.

This guy had spent the past year comforting the girl, and as soon as the guy who fucked her up comes back, she completely forgets about Jacob. What a self centred bitch.

[Tabitha]

unfortunately for me if i already know what's going to happen it's not entertaining for me
the characters are dreamy, but that also adds to how uninteresting it was.

[koots]

I can't believe it's being made into a movie now. I can't stand it when a book that I enjoyed is turned into a movie because I have never seen anyone who fits the visual description of the characters.

Actually the book even kind of sucked for me because I kind of have my 'Edward' so it's not like I imagined that Edward's personality is mythecal(clearly he is) so it wasn't nearly as good as I had hoped.

[MistyTehMoose]

Edward doesn't have copper hair :(

Also, I imagined Bella to be different as well. he voice is very... Well, masculine. While Bella isn't particularly girly, I still imagined her voice to be a bit feminine. The actress is also drop dead gorgeous, and Bella is supposed to be plain. I haven't seen who plays Jacob yet, though, that will be interesting how they deal with his whole 'growing everytime I see him' thing.

[BurgerKueen]

It's a mystery to me why she wouldn't pick Jacob over Edward in New Moon.

The drama gets even better in Eclipse though.

[MistyTehMoose]

I've only read the first chapter, I had to laugh over the cheesy note passing.

[kellykawaii]

I haven't seen who plays Jacob yet, though, that will be interesting how they deal with his whole 'growing everytime I see him' thing.

I've seen the guy who is going to play Jacob and he's looks exactly how I imagined he would. He and Alice are the only ones that I think fits the description of the character in the book well.

[Pieman]

Can anyone link to a picture of Alice? She was the only character in the book that I liked, and want to see what they did to her.

[kellykawaii]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27300020@N04/2659286095/

That's a link to a picture of all the Cullens. The one thing I imagined about Alice is she'd look a little bit younger but I think it's fairly spot on.

Edit - this is a far better one of Alice, sorry.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27300020@N04/2660115034/in/photostream/

[Propaganda]

Saw this last night. I've never read the books and I was delightfully surprised with the movie. Catherine Hardwicke directed the hell out of it. It has this breathless, hand-held style that works nicely. I was expecting all the tween girls to be screaming throughout the movie, but it was like everyone in the theater was just overwhelmed.

[Andrey]

Getting terrible, terrible reviews (the movie). Such a shame. No me digas!

[BurgerKueen]

I only know one person who watched and she loved it. But then I don't really trust her judgement on anything, ESPECIALLY Twilight. I might give in and watch it during Thanksgiving myself though. :wail:

[MistyTehMoose]

It doesn't come out for another few weeks in Australia, I may have to 'legally' find a copy.

[drumbum]

I have to say I enjoyed the books, and I liked the movie.
Don't go into it thinking it will be the best film ever, but for a low budget movie, it was pretty good. Some of the scenes are so cheesy it's laughable. My main complaint is that they didn't give Alice much screen time.

[BurgerKueen]

I haven't seen it yet, but Alice wasn't that special until the end of New Moon. It was all about Edward and no one else in the first book.

[MistyTehMoose]

Alice was still special in the first, I loved her since the first book.

She helped save her life in twilight, as well.

[BurgerKueen]

I don't know I guess I'll have to judge after seeing the movie. But I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't have too much screen time I mean. I didn't feel too connected to anyone except Edward and Bella until NM.

[MistyTehMoose]

Haha. I suppose its because I hated both Bella and Edward in the first book (and the later ones to a lesser extent) because they are both self centered and annoying.

[kwomack]

I read it, too. I'm on the 4th book right now. Don't be ashamed...well..maybe a little.
I like it- it's easy to read...just written to simply. Eh. I finished the first one in 2 days. haha. The 4th book is messed up, though...and I'm only half way through it.

[kwomack]

Haha. I suppose its because I hated both Bella and Edward in the first book (and the later ones to a lesser extent) because they are both self centered and annoying.

I hate Bella. She's selfish as hell..and retarded. But, my friend told me that if I stick it out I'll like her by the end of the last book. I hope I do..because I feel like a douche for reading a book where I hate the "protagonist".

[BurgerKueen]

I'm pretty sure you're not going to change your mind after 4 books. I didn't mind them in the first book because I didn't know about all this hype and had zero expectations for it. Then I went back to the US and read the other books and it all went downhill from there. I was in hysteric laughters by Eclipse.

[Diomedes]

The books have at best passable writing and a mediocre plot but it does evidence some things:

What do young (not really young, 8-14 I guess) girls fantasize about? The absence of sex in the first book seems to indicate that they don't fantasize about that. Well what's left? Most attractive man in the world who is super intelligent finds the most uninteresting clumsy girl fascinating and decides to be chaste until marriage seems to indicate young girls dream of romance. Sex, it appears, isn't as much a priority as their bodies might have it.

[BurgerKueen]

I don't think we needed Meyer to understand that.

[MistyTehMoose]

The books have at best passable writing and a mediocre plot but it does evidence some things:

What do young (not really young, 8-14 I guess) girls fantasize about? The absence of sex in the first book seems to indicate that they don't fantasize about that. Well what's left? Most attractive man in the world who is super intelligent finds the most uninteresting clumsy girl fascinating and decides to be chaste until marriage seems to indicate young girls dream of romance. Sex, it appears, isn't as much a priority as their bodies might have it.

Someone to fall in love with them, I would assume :indiff:

[MistyTehMoose]

I just finished Breaking Dawn, and I have to say I was really disappointed.

First of all, she built up all this sexual tension for three books, then when they have sex she skips the entire bit >:(

Also, the ending really pissed me off, the volturi were going to kill everyone and then suddenly decided not to. It would have been cool to at least make a fight, seeing as the second half of the book was all preparation for this fight.

[drumbum]

I agree. The fourth book overall was pretty stupid. It didn't make sense to build up all of the tension and then just let it drop. I wanted to read about a fight. Bella needed to try out her skills as a vamp.

[yellersamick23]

Im sorry but I really do hate flaming so I'm not going to.

I cant put up with Twilight. I generally dont mind people who like it, its just the way some people act about it. I dont know maybe I'm just an asshole but Oh well!

[drumbum]

I cant put up with Twilight. I generally dont mind people who like it, its just the way some people act about it. I dont know maybe I'm just an asshole but Oh well!

I liked the series, but I can't stand the rabid fan girls that calm to " fall in love" with fictional characters.

[Haggis McSpud]

I think the last book is where Meyer decided to throw the whole storyline aside and simply cater for the expectant fan girls who wanted nothing more than a romantic novel with a happy ending. Don't get me wrong, the first three novels weren't exactly Gods gift to literature, but a satisfying climax could have made up for that if she had stuck to her original story plan.

[Counterfeit Dreamer]

First of all, she built up all this sexual tension for three books, then when they have sex she skips the entire bit >:(


This pissed me off too! But then I felt like a huge loser for wanting to read that.

Overall, anything I have to say won't be too far from what everyone else has said. Shitty writing, cute story. Super easy reads. I read the first three in about five days.

The movie... Wow. What a disappointment. I've never seen worse acting.

[PersiaScarecrow]

I never read the book, but I watched the movie which was just so overly melodramatic and ridiculous. The screenplay also sucked. But the music was good. I want my $8 back.

[felinusspam]

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[SquidWard]

These two girls I know are always telling me how frigging awesome these books are and how edward is such an awesome guy. One of them even named her cat Edward.

I haven't read the books so I can't really say anything against them but vampires that glitter in the sunlight? Alarm bells ring right there.

[Sarge51]

I never read the book, but I watched the movie which was just so overly melodramatic and ridiculous. The screenplay also sucked. But the music was good. I want my $8 back.

Not to mention it seemed like the first three quarters of it was a long-ass introduction sequence. Yeah, yeah, we know he's a vampire, he has super powers of sorts, the girl is clumsy, get to the damn fighting already!

More towards the end it got better, I'll admit. But it seems like the ending was cut so short that it didn't even make sense, and then when the fighting was all over, the romance kicked back in and dragged ass forever.

I liked the 'message' it had. But the way it was executed was just poor. Though, I can't wait for the next movies, because according to the books things get WAY better. The first book is meh.

Also, the guy who played Edward was butt ugly. The guy who played Bella's father looked like Burt Reynolds, and he was funny.

I really couldn't enjoy the movie because a few rows back there was some little girls, probably 12 years old or something, giggling through half the movie.

Books are decent. I just wished the writing was better, and didn't lean so much toward the romance side.

[Pieman]

I liked the 'message' it had. But the way it was executed was just poor. Though, I can't wait for the next movies, because according to the books things get WAY better. The first book is meh.

IS the movie message different from the book one? Because the book one was "Dump all your friends and family, change yourself completely, become a stalker and become a mormon and you'll get everything you've ever wanted.

Also, the guy who played Edward was butt ugly
http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u330/PiemanXX/1228306099802.jpg

[Counterfeit Dreamer]

Also, the guy who played Edward was butt ugly.


I couldn't agree more! Edward is supposed to be this drop-dead gorgeous guy, but they picked the ugliest actor they could.

Even the guy who played Jasper was hotter, and he looked like a strung-out dope fiend.

[MistyTehMoose]

All of the actors are pretty unnattractive, except for the chick who plays Bella. Ironically Bella is supposed to be plain and boring looking.

[Pieman]

While Alice didn't look like I thought she would, I still say she was pretty hot.

[Meli-G]

Ok, I finally read Twilight, and I think it is okay. It does seem like stereotypical supernatural love mush, but I've read worse. I think it is getting a bad rep because of all the girls going fangirly over the guy who plays Edward Cullen in the movie. Which is really annoying!!

[BurgerKueen]

The first one is bearable. You need to read the whole thing to appreciate the badness I think.

[MistyTehMoose]

I thought the first one was the worst. Although how she ended made me want to tear my hair out.

[BurgerKueen]

I thought it was completely ridiculous and out-of-character when in Eclipse Bella kisses Jacob and Edward is like totally okay with it. Then she goes on to dream about the kids she could have with Jacob and whatnot. But then she keeps getting all horny and asking Edward to have sex with her at every opportunity. And all those Romeo & Juliet comparisons in New Moon? Argfh.

[xkittenxsocksx]

You're all fucking correct, Robert Pattinson looks a wee bit like rocky dennis depending on the angle his forehead is shot at.

[Sarge51]

All of the actors are pretty unnattractive, except for the chick who plays Bella. Ironically Bella is supposed to be plain and boring looking.

Would you rather Darlene from Roseanne play Bella? Now that'd be plain and boring.

On another note, what's with all the vampires in the movie being covered in white powder? It didn't even look like pale skin. The makeup person needs to get fired, honestly.

[Maelstrom]

I started laughing hysterically while reading the scene in Breaking Dawn where Edward says, basically, to Jacob: "Have sex with my wife so she'll get an abortion."

That's quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard in the book.

Other than Edward's century-old sperm creating a sparkly hellchild.

[Ercoledi]

Okay, so I got a fairly good summary of the Twilight books a few days ago, but someone help me get through the last part of book four:

Bella's about to die giving birth to her horrible hell baby when Edward jabs her with a needle of his venom, effectively turning her into an immortal vampire. This, however, takes three days: in this three days, baby Renesme (I need someone to confirm this isn't a joke) is sent home while daddy Edward watches over his boring, pale dead bride.

During the birth, though, Jacob the werewolf imprints upon Renesme. What? Why?

[Maelstrom]

During the birth, though, Jacob the werewolf imprints upon Renesme. What? Why?[/spoiler]

The book doesn't really give a reason for that. All I got from it is that imprinting is some sort of mystical connection that really has no rhyme or reason. Though, I suspect that Jacob imprinted on the baby (Pedowolf?) because of his subconscious inability to let Bella go. As a result, he did the next best thing and became her eventual son-in-law so he could stay in the family and have a good reason to stick around Bella. I mean, he already split up the pack over Bella and ignored the much more appropriate and plausible connection between him and Leah. This doesn't seem too farfetched compared to what already happened.

[bizzle]

Fuck you guys. Robert Pattinson is hot.

[Maelstrom]

Fuck you guys. Robert Pattinson is hot.

And even he thinks Edward's a creep.

Your point?

[bizzle]

http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u330/PiemanXX/1228306099802.jpg

[Pieman]

Is your point "Pieman's right, he looks like a foot."

The book doesn't really give a reason for that. All I got from it is that imprinting is some sort of mystical connection that really has no rhyme or reason. Though, I suspect that Jacob imprinted on the baby (Pedowolf?) because of his subconscious inability to let Bella go. As a result, he did the next best thing and became her eventual son-in-law so he could stay in the family and have a good reason to stick around Bella. I mean, he already split up the pack over Bella and ignored the much more appropriate and plausible connection between him and Leah. This doesn't seem too farfetched compared to what already happened.

According to my friend who's a Twilight fan, as well as an online source Jacob wasn't really in love with Bella, he was actually spiritually attracted to the embryo inside her. If these people are to be believed, Meyer is more of a batshit crazy fanfiction writer than I first though. And that's taking into account the fang c-section.

[bizzle]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a7jkcMVp5Vg/SUQE5cdFgHI/AAAAAAAAHko/tOCaQo-MAaM/s400/edward.jpg

[pieceofmcdonalds]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a7jkcMVp5Vg/SUQE5cdFgHI/AAAAAAAAHko/tOCaQo-MAaM/s400/edward.jpg

In that picture he looks like a lesbian.

[Valkyrie]

I rather enjoy the books, the only one that really got to me was New Moon where Bellas in all the 'physical pain' and 'Cant breathe' and crap like thatJacob made it bearable though. But in Eclipse he's a full class ass. The end of Breaking Dawn was a let down because she built up all this anticipation for a battle scene and then it turns out, there wont be, its like, what the hell?! I want to see the nomads fight!!

[Maelstrom]

According to my friend who's a Twilight fan, as well as an online source Jacob wasn't really in love with Bella, he was actually spiritually attracted to the embryo inside her. If these people are to be believed, Meyer is more of a batshit crazy fanfiction writer than I first though. And that's taking into account the fang c-section.

What the FUCKITY FUCKING FUCK?

Meyer's clinically insane if that's true.

[Ercoledi]

I'd say that's just overzealous fangirls reading too much into things.

[Valkyrie]

The Fang c-section was kinda necessary though because all the vampire gene shit made the placeta super hard or whatever and the only thing that caan get through is a vampire bite - it was that or the baby eats itself through the womb ultimately killing the mother

[BurgerKueen]

So I just got finished with Breaking Dawn, and despite its crazy plot, I definitely prefer it over New Moon & Eclipse.
1) Bella stopped with all the "oh I'm such a weak human, Edward is a GOD!!!!" crap and had some nasty sex with him instead.
2) I'm glad she decided to include Jacob's point of view, the wolf pack drama was much more interesting than Bella's "zomg im preggo with a halfblood and ill die 4 it!!". And Seth would've made a cool lil' brother in real life I guess.
3) I love the Romanian vampires, Stefan and Vladimir. She should've spent more time on them and their history which sounds kickass even though Meyer came up with it.
4) And some more minor details.

Still, I'm mad we didn't get some juicy descriptions of their first night. I went through 4 books for that and NOTHING. And they just forgot about poor Leah?! Jacob should've ended up with Leah and Ms. Loch Ness Monster could've hooked up with that other half-blood. And the ending would've been a lot better if it was only Jacob, Nessie, Alice and Jasper left fighting for their lives instead of the happily ever after. So yeah, it still wasn't worth the money and the five days I spent reading the whole series.


PS. I'm sure anyone who cares about the spoilers (if there are any) has read the book already.

[Maelstrom]

Even though I would like to see most of them die, I wouldn't really see only leaving those four as survivors as the best ending. Though, I must admit, it would be better than the actual ending.

It felt like this was supposed to be some sort of relationship novel built mostly on the interactions of Bella, Edward, and Jacob until the author realized it felt like a really crappy plot. So, she rushed through it and then randomly threw in the second part (I firmly believe this is a second book rather than an ending for BD) so it looked like there was an overall story. Yet, she failed miserably after hyping up this battle for their lives for a couple hundred pages (and Bella's desperate training) only to have it as something like: "LOLZ, I shielded u all so no one kan fite!".

[BurgerKueen]

I'm waiting for a 5th book in 2 years, that takes place a century after Breaking Dawn. Nessie & Jacob will have a freak baby, the Volturi will come back and the usual yada yada.

Stefan & Vladimir 3008!!:patriot:

[Rex_Mundi]

1) Bella stopped with all the "oh I'm such a weak human, Edward is a GOD!!!!" crap and had some nasty sex with him instead.


Mmm, nasty violent sex. :heya:

I agree with you about the Romanians though, I really felt like she should have gone more in-depth with their backgrounds and ultimately I would have liked to see the 2 taking over the mantle of the vampire underworld after a massive, bloody fight.

Also, Jasper, Alice, Jacob, Renesmee (what a fucking retarded name) and Leah surviving would have been a great ending.

[Sarge51]

PS. I'm sure anyone who cares about the spoilers (if there are any) has read the book already.

I actually have not read them. But you guys are making that one sound like a very good read. Also...

The Fang c-section was kinda necessary though because all the vampire gene shit made the placeta super hard or whatever and the only thing that caan get through is a vampire bite - it was that or the baby eats itself through the womb ultimately killing the mother

This really got me going, I have to read this now.

[MistyTehMoose]

All the good stuff happens in the last book, though.

[Rex_Mundi]

Yeah but even then it's a shit ending.

[MistyTehMoose]

I never disagreed.

[Ercoledi]

A guy friend and I are going to watch the movie on Monday.

Excitement, yay! :yes:

[Claudio]

To call the Twilight series literature is a complete overstatement.

[dororo]

LOL THAT GUY GOT BANNED CAUSE OF US. AND HE WAS WORKING SO HARD TO BE AN ELITIST FUCKFACE TOO! Poor guy.

[Rex_Mundi]

A guy friend and I are going to watch the movie on Monday.

Excitement, yay! :yes:

Are you going to hold hands and make out like a fag couple, too?

[Ercoledi]

That was one time.

[Sarge51]

I went to see it (on the day it came out in theaters) with my girlfriend, and I feel no shame. :indiff:

Except I haven't told anyone else that that's what we watched.

[Splas]

http://oxymoronassoc.livejournal.com/462027.html

Anyone who's seen or read twilight will greatly enjoy this :)

[XNeedlezX]

Anyone seen the animation tWHYlight on newgrounds by Robert Winchester? It is exactly how i feel about Twilight.

[Fledge]

This book is draining the minds of teenage girls giving them these fucked up expectations that a knight in shining armor will sweep them off their feet. The fact is these characters are flat and stereotypical, and no one like them could ever exist. Meyer wrote them this way so that teenage girls could easily place themselves into the role, creating this bullshit expectation of males that is Edward Cullen.

[MistyTehMoose]

I liked the books but I certainly don't expect my partner to be anything like him. It's fiction.

[Fledge]

I'm sure some people can tell the difference, namely the more intelligent ones, but I've talked to girls who have said that "edward cullen is the most romantic man on Earth"

[Ercoledi]

Okay, so I've just gotten back from the movie. I won't say I loved it, but it wasn't as completely egregious as I thought it would be; it was decent.

A few things that annoyed me, really about the filmmaking more than anything, was the constant closeups used willy-nilly. It wouldn't be too bad, for example, if the closeups were used purely between Bella and Edward, to cue that they're having a 'moment'. Unfortunately, they used it for fucking everything. Hate, love, sadness, serenity, pain. Using excessive closeups is a hallmark of the acknowledgement of a film's flaws by the filmmaker: they can't convey emotion through characterisation, dialogue, or other techniques, so they go to their backup plan.

Read the above paragraph again, but replace 'closeups' with 'slow motion'.

Also, two continuity things I noticed: when Edward first spills the beans about his vampirism, they're on a sort of cliff and Edward is dry. It starts raining, and it shows Edward, sopping wet under a tree of sorts. A second later, he's back, dry and toasty.

The other is when Bella is in hospital near the end fo the movie, and her breathing tubes are alternately at her eyelashes and then a bit further out, on her cheeks: eyelashes for the closeup shots (ugh) and cheeks for the mid-shots.

Just a few thoughts. Other than that, the movie was cheesy fun.

[MistyTehMoose]

I'm sure some people can tell the difference, namely the more intelligent ones, but I've talked to girls who have said that "edward cullen is the most romantic man on Earth"

That doesn't hint at all to them developing unhealthy expectations of men. That is merely an observation :indiff:

[Sonia]

I can't help it, i've fallen madly for the Twilight books, no they aren't exceptionally well written, nor is the main character all that likeable but the way she expresses Bella and Edwards interactions makes any girls vajayjay melt.

[MistyTehMoose]

Your opinion was just made completely invalid by using the word 'vajayjay'. Well done.

[Sonia]

Not an opinion, just stating how i personally feel about the books. Apologies for the derogatory way in which i expressed vagina as vajayjay, don't shoot.

[MistyTehMoose]

I don't care that it's 'derogatory', but that you're too childish to say vagina.

[Sonia]

Vagina. There i'm perfectly capable of saying it. However i tend to enjoy the term vajayjay because it's amusing so i guess that might make me a little immature.
I'm sorry if it affects you so.

[Habitu]

I just think the whole series is overrated.
And Sonia, there is nothing wrong with the word "Vajayjay"!

[WoeStorm]

I just think the whole series is overrated.
And Sonia, there is nothing wrong with the word "Vajayjay"!

There is Everything wrong with it.

On topic: It really irks me how all of these teenage girls obsess about the book. The author compensates for cliches by using large adjectives.

[MistyTehMoose]

I still stand by the fact that I like it for its entertainment value.

Although, I was thinking that the reason that Bella is written so blandly is so that any girl can read it and identify with her. I found her really annoying because she had no personality, but that's my theory.

[Ureshii]

Literature and "Fine" Art indeed.

[Fledge]

I still stand by the fact that I like it for its entertainment value.

Although, I was thinking that the reason that Bella is written so blandly is so that any girl can read it and identify with her. I found her really annoying because she had no personality, but that's my theory.

That's exactly why. And girls fell for it. She's a blank slate character with no personality of her own. Wake up children.

[Rex_Mundi]

That doesn't hint at all to them developing unhealthy expectations of men. That is merely an observation :indiff:

Well, there was one case of this 15 year old bird who got up the duff, realised what a shit situation she was in and was going to get an abortion.

Buuuuuuuut then she read Breaking Dawn and she wanted to keep the baby! Because her situation was kind of similar! And she named the child Edward Jacob.

[MistyTehMoose]

Pretty sure you're making it up, seeing as you would have mentioned that straight away, and you talked about some girls wanting to name their boys Edward Jacob in an earlier post. Therefore I am going to just assume you are a retard.

[Habitu]

On topic: It really irks me how all of these teenage girls obsess about the book.

Yes, yes it does. I feel what you're saying.

[woodentoast]

Not an opinion, just stating how i personally feel about the books.

Well if that isn't an opinion then what is? I think i'm gonna have to give these books a read just to see what all the fuss is about.

[jameswatt123]

I think i'm gonna have to give these books a read just to see what all the fuss is about.

I tried. I couldnt get past chapter 10 of the first book.

[Ureshii]

God, at our end of year prize giving the top English student in my year got given the Twilight "extended edition". Her English teacher appearantly loved the book.

[kavea]

Wow, the books were okay to me but if I got that for a prize I'd be kind of mad.
And what's "extended" about it? Interviews and extra chapters?

[Ureshii]

And what's "extended" about it? Interviews and extra chapters?

I don't know all I saw was the cover and the mad expression on the recipients face.

[fat-red-chicken]

I try to tell Twilight fans that the book is a piece of shit but they won't listen just because I haven't read it. :(

One day my voice shall be heard!

EDIT: Here's an opinion in order to contribute:
The book has created some kind of cult where all the fandom revolves around the main character being hot. It's like chick-Harry Potter. It will only further the segregation between the genius and the retarded in society.

[MistyTehMoose]

Have you actually read it?

[fat-red-chicken]

I'll watch the movie, I promise.

[MistyTehMoose]

How can you tell fans it is shit if you've never read it? Way to bandwagon.

[Stitches]

Yeah so the movie only just hit Australia about 2-3 weeks ago. I was all in for it. I came across the first book, and had read the whole series over a week or two (i do have a life apart from reading this series) but I do say, the movie could have had more action in it. It was sorta arty but I was a tad let down. The book has so much more detail. I hate how the last page says 'The End'
errrrrgh

[koots]

I can't believe how much this series is discussed on Explosm.

[Niki]

Wait there are people here who like twilight?

[LandMarkMoon]

I think so Niki, I don't think I understand it either. I think this just proves most of explosms is prepubescent girls.

[cptlol]

Prepubescent faggots, more like it.

[Neochick803]

Twilight is a pretty good series for teenagers. But that's probably all. The writing is a little weak, and she drags and drags on every detail of unimportant things like... "I woke up... I thought for a loooong moment and decided I was hungry... I stood up... I walked to the kitchen..."
:sleeps: