007 Quantum of Solace

[thisiswhoiam]

Maybe I'm posting this a little early but I'm just so pumped for this movie. Daniel Crag does a great job of being the corrupt charcter and did a great Bond movie last time. The last movie was a great and I can't wait for November.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=1klscL-tFGU

[MrDoctor]

Yea, I loved the last one and this one most lily isn't going to dissapoint. I also love Daniel Craig as bond. By the way your link is all fucked up

http://www.youtube.com/v/1klscL-tFGU&hl=en&fs=1

[GSOM]

If its anywhere near as good as the last one I'll be happy. Daniel Craig is definitely the best Bond yet. Made me very happy when they rebooted the franchise. The Pierce Brosnan Bonds were probably my least favorite.

[thisiswhoiam]

If its anywhere near as good as the last one I'll be happy. Daniel Craig is definitely the best Bond yet. Made me very happy when they rebooted the franchise. The Pierce Brosnan Bonds were probably my least favorite.

I agree I find it hard to sit through the old bond movies

[Alcoholic]

If you've read the Quantum of Solace short story, you will not understand how they chose this as the newest Bond. It's basically telling Commander Bond a story. Seriously. Craig was good, as he played the literary Bond well, but for the films, I still have to go with Connery. That suave, jackass bastard.

[Allen]

I am so fucking pumped for this movie! I love Bond flicks. I own them all. And Casino Royale is one of my three favorites. I'm anticipating this movie almost as much as The Dark Knight.

If you've read the Quantum of Solace short story, you will not understand how they chose this as the newest Bond. It's basically telling Commander Bond a story. Seriously. Craig was good, as he played the literary Bond well, but for the films, I still have to go with Connery. That suave, jackass bastard.

It has nothing to do with the short story. They just took the name.

[Alcoholic]

Yeah, I figured. Same like they did with View to a Kill, Living Daylights, and a bunch o' others. I'm still pumped to see it, no doubt. Fuck, it's James Bond. If you're a guy who doesn't like Bond, why, you're no guy, at all.

Go question your sexuality.

[Souldrinker]

but for the films, I still have to go with Connery. That suave, jackass bastard.

Absolutely. Craig was very good, but no one will ever compare to Connery. He IS Bond.

[Allen]

Agreed. But Craig certainly is the best since Connery.

[GSOM]

Everyone loves the original. That's why it was so strange when I left the theater thinking to myself "He was even better than Connery" after seeing Casino Royale. I'm the only one out of the group I went with who thinks that. To me, if Craig can do just two more Bonds that are of equal or greater quality than Casino Royale, then I will forever think of him as THE Bond.

[Ercoledi]

Brilliant, I can't wait. I saw Casino Royale in a small local cinema when I was overseas. Completely empty except for me. Quite a memorable experience. Daniel Craig was awesome.

Is this movie set between Casino Royale and Dr No, or after Die Another Day?

[ShockWave]

Definitely stoked for this movie. Can't say I'm a fan of the title, though. It's not bad, it just seems to stray from other Bond titles. A lot of people might not get it.

[Allen]

Brilliant, I can't wait. I saw Casino Royale in a small local cinema when I was overseas. Completely empty except for me. Quite a memorable experience. Daniel Craig was awesome.

Is this movie set between Casino Royale and Dr No, or after Die Another Day?

Think of Casion Royale as Batman Begins and Quantum of Solace as The Dark Knight.

In other words, neither.

[Alcoholic]

Yeah, total reboots. Chronologically and for the sake of continuity, you can't even really count Casino Royale (the film) a part of the same series as the other Bond flicks.

Like counting Dark Knight and the 1989 Batman as the same series: he killed the Joker twice? Heh?

[spaj]

It looks boring. Since when are Bond movies supposed to be soppy, chronicled action flicks? The action didn't even look mildly interesting in the trailer. I'll watch it, but I can't see the appeal.

[UncleDuck2]

I don't know if you realise it, but it is directed by one of the most promising directors of this day of age, Marc Forster. He has made 'Finding Neverland' and 'Stranger as Fiction' so he is no action buff. No offence, but this movie is going to be less action as the former ones, if I can trust Forster. Still, it's gonna rock!!!!

[Alcoholic]

True indeed, but Dr. No didn't have much action, and it was still amazing!

[CharlieH]

Tomorrow Never dies is my favourite.

Back on topic though, it will be interesting to see where they take the bond fanchise in the future, I wasn't a massive fan of Casino Royale.

[CnGy]

As long as it's better than casino royale.

I think that'd be hard to do.

So we're in good shape.

He's actually bond in this and not some lil sissy.

[Ercoledi]

Ooh, but I hear he's still going to be angsty about that girly dying in the last movie.

[Dodger]

To be honest, I didn't like Casino Royale or Craig as the new Bond. I think Brosnan was a much better Bond that Craig, and I rank Casino Royale as one of the worst Bond movies I've seen. Which was hard to do since it played out Bond's first 007 mission and I love knowing the origins and shit like that.
I hope Craig does a better job in this one, for the franchise's sake. I may not like Craig as Bond, but I love Bond movies.

[Alcoholic]

Ooh, but I hear he's still going to be angsty about that girly dying in the last movie.

This is sorta for Dodger too, but with Craig and the franchise reboot, it's not likely that they would have Bond be upset about Lynd, as given by the fact that they are keeping slightly more with the books. The literary Bond basically said, "Fuck that bitch".
Actually, the last four words of the original book were, "the bitch is dead". But if QoS is, as I hear, taking off directly after CR, they might build a little on that. Honestly, not so sure how I feel about that one. Anyway, Dodger, Craig played a pretty close literary Bond, but as far as the flicks go, how can you beat Sean Connery?

[Houston]

The final Quantum of Solace trailer was just released today:
http://the-reel-truth.blogspot.com/2008/09/final-quantum-of-solace-trailer-is.html

and this is the official poster:
http://www.firstshowing.net/img/quantumofsolace-poster2-full2.jpg

[The Muffin Man]

I dont know. I just didnt see the last movie as a bond flick. Yeah I thought it was cool and all but as an action movie, not a bond movie. I just miss Q and X-Ray glasses. Seriously bond without Q? I will definitely see this movie and I am hoping for some damn gadgets.

[Kevosk]

OH MY GOD!! I was having some doubts about this movie because of what some of you had said, regarding it being more down-beat and less actionpacked, etc.

Boy, were you wrong! I may be a sucker for intense get-you-ready-to-pay-your-money-now trailers, but daaaaaaamn. Guns, more guns, explosions, guns, car chases, parkour, guns, mostly naked ladies, guns, and EXPLOSIONS.

Yessssssssss

[Alcoholic]

I dont know. I just didnt see the last movie as a bond flick. Yeah I thought it was cool and all but as an action movie, not a bond movie. I just miss Q and X-Ray glasses. Seriously bond without Q? I will definitely see this movie and I am hoping for some damn gadgets.

They're going for the more literary-Bond feel. The new ones won't feel like Bond flicks because ol' Jimmy will actually get the shit beaten out of him, get in car wrecks, and you'll only have Major Boothroyd - not Q.

[Tweek]

This looks really good, better than Casino Royale.

[RessXalcor]

Definitely stoked for this movie, I love Craig as Bond. It always seemed like people hated Pierce a lot but don't all Bonds have one good movie until they go down? I loved GoldenEye but hated the other ones. So if Quantum of Solace is Craig's awesome movie, then it's all downhill from here.

[Scoped]

I don't know about this, looks like an amazing action film, but he doesnt seem as suave or as collected as any of the predecessors he seems more emotional and skittish. I will deffinately give it a chance, but it might suffer with not feeling Bond-y which, in my opinion, is what Casino Royale also lacked.

[Clerlic]

I liked most Bond movies, but Golden eye is my favorite. Casino Royale had it's fun points, but it really didn't feel like bond, I barely saw any gadgets, explosions or other awesome action. I never felt as bored while watching a Bond movie. But on topic, the trailer seems really promising, I do think they've made a good choice with the more traditional Bond flick.

[Ercoledi]

Yeah, as Alcoholic said, it's a return to the flawed, literary Bond as penned by Fleming. I think Bond works without the gadgets. People expect kitschy, deus ex machina filled tripe from the 80s, but that doesn't really translate into the now.

I frankly thought Die Another Day was silly. Seriously, an invisible car?

[Alcoholic]

I frankly thought Die Another Day was silly. Seriously, an invisible car?

I hated all the Brosnan Bonds. Actually, Goldeneye was decent.
What sucks about the movies is that we don't get to see James have chunks of flesh torn out by barracude, kill a man using only one hand by flipping him over some stairs, fight a giant squid using a vent-cover spear, choke people to death with his bare hands, and throw himself on the ground to shoot trains with bazookas.

Seems like the new director(s) want to get back to it. A little gadgetry, but nothing outlandish. And no fucking ice castles.

[UncleDuck2]

I just hope the villain has something special about his appearance. Like LeChiffre in Casino Royale who cried blood, Jaws with his metal teeth and that dude from the last Pierce Brosnan one, with diamonds all over his face.
In my opinion, that make a great Bond villain (with the exception of the last Brosnan one).

[Hawke]

I loved Casino Royale, and what got me even more is that I didn't think I would. I never ever have seen any James Bond film before Casino Royale (and that I just saw on TV one day a year or so after its release); I was just never really interested in them. But QoS looks kick-ass!


But one thing they can't do is get any girl hotter than the one in Casino Royale. That chick was fucking amazing.

[UncleDuck2]

But one thing they can't do is get any girl hotter than the one in Casino Royale. That chick was fucking amazing.

Do you mean Eva Green (Vesper Lynd) or Caterina Murino (Solange)?
I hope Eva Green, she will be unreplacable. But then, who has ever beaten Ursula Andress as a bondgirl?

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/mrogers/2005/04/09/ursula-andress---h_2115564a.jpg

[Houston]

But then, who has ever beaten Ursula Andress as a bondgirl?

Jane Seymour, that's who...hell, she's 57 and she's still one of the hottest actresses in Hollywood.

[Hawke]

Do you mean Eva Green (Vesper Lynd) or Caterina Murino (Solange)?
I hope Eva Green, she will be unreplacable.

[/IMG]

I meant the one James Bond hooks up with.

[Derelict]

I hated all the Brosnan Bonds. Actually, Goldeneye was decent.
What sucks about the movies is that we don't get to see James have chunks of flesh torn out by barracude, kill a man using only one hand by flipping him over some stairs, fight a giant squid using a vent-cover spear, choke people to death with his bare hands, and throw himself on the ground to shoot trains with bazookas.

Seems like the new director(s) want to get back to it. A little gadgetry, but nothing outlandish. And no fucking ice castles.

But Bond is supposed to be outlandish! Fucking Moonraker? That shit was fucked up. Nearly every Bond movie has had something really unnecessary and complicated. Goldfinger trying to kill him with a laser starting at his crotch was pretty outlandish, and that was still Connery.
I like Craig, and I loved Casino Royale, but he doesn't feel like James Bond. Bond is supposed to be suave and look right wearing a suit. I feel like Craig should just be wearing regular clothes, and kicking constant ass. Don't get me wrong, I bet Quantum of Solace will be amazing, but I don't think I'll watch it as though I'm watching 007.
I liked Pierce Brosnan as Bond, but the movies were starting to get crazy. You're right about Die Another Day. That movie was retarded. The effects were cheezy, and they tried too hard to make it cliché. Though he was getting old and less action-fighter, Brosnan really captured the smooth talking James Bond I enjoyed. Connery is closer to what Craig plays, though, so either way I'm happy. I don't really know what I'm trying to say anymore. I think QoS will kick ass, but Craig should nail more chicks.

[junglebunny]

The final Quantum of Solace trailer was just released today:
http://the-reel-truth.blogspot.com/2008/09/final-quantum-of-solace-trailer-is.html

and this is the official poster:
http://www.firstshowing.net/img/quantumofsolace-poster2-full2.jpg

For some reason that doesn't even look real. Love that gun though

[RessXalcor]

For some reason that doesn't even look real. Love that gun though

What doesn't look real? It's a poster, they edit a lot of stuff so they seem appealing.

[Alcoholic]

For some reason that doesn't even look real. Love that gun though

It's real. They shot the movie on Mars, which is a lot less red when you actually get there.

[junglebunny]

What doesn't look real? It's a poster, they edit a lot of stuff so they seem appealing.

I'm not sure what it is, but for some reason it looks poorly photoshopped.

I'm not doubting that it is real, I'm just saying it looks fake to me.

[Christoffason]

I only saw the second released trailer on the weekend at the flix, this movie looks shit hot. I feel like Connery will always be the best 'James Bond', but the new style Bond movies have my vote (on first impression). They've tried to be a little more action with the latest poster, with that machine gun n all instead of his usual PPK.

[Ercoledi]

Bond switched to a Walther P99 in the World is Not Enough, I think.

Edit: My mistake, it was Tomorrow Never Dies.

[Cristo]

The only thing I miss is Q, more gadgets and a Bond who doesn't look like a body builder.

Otherwise I thinkt his will be good and I thought Casino Royale was pretty great.

[Derelict]

Bond switched to a Walther P99 in the World is Not Enough, I think.

Edit: My mistake, it was Tomorrow Never Dies.

The PPK is the PP7, right? In the video games it's always called the PP7 and that's what I grew up calling it. I never knew if that was right or not. The PP7 looks like it has a slightly longer barrel and thicker trigger guard than the PPK. I could be wrong, because I know next to nothing about guns.

[Tweek]

I think PP7 was made to avoid copyright or some shit.
As far as I am aware, there is no actual PP7.

[Ercoledi]

Yeah, Walther PPK replaced his old Beretta after it jammed and Bond got injured at the start of Dr No.

I don't believe there's one called a PP7.

[Derelict]

I think PP7 was made to avoid copyright or some shit.
As far as I am aware, there is no actual PP7.

That makes sense. I remember someone telling me there was no such thing but I ignored it because I just love James Bond so much.

[Mr. Crow]

You guys must be mistaken, because the new Bond fucking sucks.

James Bond movies are supposed to be over-the-top. James Bond is slick and fly, he woos the ladies, orders his martinis shaken (not stirred), always has a gadget for every situation, and always escapes the ridiculously complex and slow death traps set for him, all wrapped around a plethora of ass-kicking and sexual innuendos.

Casino Royal tried to play Bond "real," and it was fucking shit. He spent half of the movie playing a fucking card game. He seriously nearly died several times. He was beaten and bruised, and tortured by having his balls smashed. What the fuck? That's not James Bond at all.

And yes, I realize that it was more in-tune with the original James Bond from the novel, but that's not the James Bond who we know and love, whose iconic "The name's Bond... James Bond" line is household knowledge, and whose seemingly perpetually clean suit is only matched by the repeated nigh-incompetent machinations of his enemies.

[Alcoholic]

The literary Bond did say the "Bond, James Bond" bit though, Crow.

And the PPK designation is the same as the PP7, though the K is there for clarification. The 99 is a fucking shitty 9mm. More rounds per magazine, but the PPK7 was/is a .223 with a smaller but more damaging cartridge.
Also the Walther 7 is illegal in the states due to size. You can get the PPK/S which is pretty much the same gun, with an overall taller frame. Just sayin'.

[Crabstick]

blah blah supposed to be blah blah

It stands to reason that the man wasn't always that suave, that clean-cut and calm with the whole adjusting his tie while being shot at situation.

The last one (and I assume this one too) set up to the point where he was still a bit rough around the edges, not quite experienced enough to have that swagger in his stride that we all know Bond to have.

It's called characterisation, and it doesn't mean it sucks.

[LaPhBu]

I have never seen a Bond movie, but I saw a trailer for this and it seriously looks like there will be so much action. I don't know how they will fit a story line, because I saw so many different places exploding and shooting and dieing.

[Ercoledi]

Ah, note the ending of Casino Royale, where Bond goes up to that castle looking building and shoots that old dude (Mr White?). The dying guy looks up at him and rasps, "Who are you?" to which Bond replies "the name's Bond. James Bond."

Cue Norman's 007 theme.

Basically, everything before that was not the suave Bond that you know and love. Like Crabstick said, it was characterisation. I'm thinking that, despite Bond's return to his grittyrootsblahblahblah, there'll be a stark difference between Casino Royale and QoS.

Expect him to be still a bit raw and whiny, but know that he's learning.

[CharlieH]

Well, I saw the trailer for it when I went to see Pineapple Express last night.

It was O.K. I haven't been too exited about Bond films since Die Another Day, which I wasn't so keen on.

[Ercoledi]

Die Another Day was absolutely awful.

If you haven't seen it, give Casino Royale a chance.

[theblueneutrino]

The only thing I miss is Q, more gadgets and a Bond who doesn't look like a body builder.

Otherwise I thinkt his will be good and I thought Casino Royale was pretty great.

Yeah i miss Q as well, i was gutted when Des Llewelyn died. As a nerdy kid, he was always my favourite character and the visits to Q division were my favourite parts of the film.


Wether or not you think that the series re-boot is good in terms of the plot or whatever, you've got to hand it to the producers, it sure has hell got a lot of excitement going about the film.
Before this converstaion would've been like "oh yeah, pierce brosnan is gonna schmatlz his way arround, look kinda leathery, blow some shit up and crash a nice car. If only sean connery weren't fat and 70; he'd save us now"
But now there is definately interest into what's gonna happen, as opposed to how and where it is going to happen.

Finally:

Like counting Dark Knight and the 1989 Batman as the same series: he killed the Joker twice? Heh?

Batman didn't kill the joker in the dark night, Mary Kate Olsen did.

[Mr. Crow]

It stands to reason that the man wasn't always that suave, that clean-cut and calm with the whole adjusting his tie while being shot at situation.

The last one (and I assume this one too) set up to the point where he was still a bit rough around the edges, not quite experienced enough to have that swagger in his stride that we all know Bond to have.

It's called characterisation, and it doesn't mean it sucks.

He was viciously whipped in the sack until his testicles were presumably mutilated if not crushed. The fuck?

[Ercoledi]

Oh, yeah. If Casino Royale were a prequel and his balls got crushed, how the hell does Bond get the mojo in later films?

[RessXalcor]

Oh, yeah. If Casino Royale were a prequel and his balls got crushed, how the hell does Bond get the mojo in later films?

Metal balls, that's how the British do. :heya:

[Pluginbaby]

He's Bond! Q clearly makes him new high tech balls!

[Clerlic]

Maybe he grew new ones? Who cares as long as he has a shitload of other gadgets he can use.

[Crabstick]

Oh, yeah. If Casino Royale were a prequel and his balls got crushed, how the hell does Bond get the mojo in later films?

It explains why he never has any issues bedding women, he knows there won't be any little Bonds kicking about.

And besides, after you've been through that, ain't nothing going to bother you anymore.

[r0xx]

What do you think of when someone says James Bond? You think of the phrases "Bond, James Bond" and "shaken not stirred", Right? Well I heard yesterday that they're removing these lines in this movie. What the fuck? That's like Santa Claus not saying Ho Ho Ho anymore!

[Andrey]

Well, I don't think that's true. I think they could slip them in somewhere off-handedly. They had Bond saying "Bond, James Bond" at the end of Casino Royale. And then it was a bit funny when the bartender asked him "Shaken or stirred?" And Bond was like "Do I look like I give a damn?"

So yeah, I think they'll just slip them in somewhere.

[r0xx]

No, they are gone, here's an article about it...
http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b30472_dont_call_him_bond_james_bond.html

[Andrey]

Well, I don't really care that much. Never grew up with Bond movies, the first one I ever saw was Casino Royale (except seeing parts of From Russia With Love as a kid).

But I am disappointed...it's only 1 hour, 40 minutes in length. Shortest Bond movie in history, apparently. I know a lot of people hate long movies for some reason, but I happen to love them. The more, the better. I loved stuff like Pearl Harbor (it's not that of a bad movie), Godfather, Schindler's List, the Departed, Dark Knight, Casino Royale - I mean, Casino Royale was 2 hours, 24 minutes according to the article. I loved every minute of it except some of the confusing poker scenes.

So yeah. 1 hour, 40 minutes = too short. But they did spend only two years making this, so they can't really be blamed too much.

[Crabstick]

That's like Santa Claus not saying Ho Ho Ho anymore!

That happened last year in Australia. Or at least tried to happen. Anyway.

I like the fact they've gone back to look at how he became Bond. People are talking about how it ruins continuity and it just isn't right, but take a look at how long Bond's career is supposed to have lasted, and then tell me it's supposed to be all realistic.

[Hawke]

This is also the gay theme for the movie:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Listen-To-The-Quantum-Of-Solace-Theme-Song-10241.html

[Andrey]

Yeah, it kinda sucks. The instrumental version from that Coke commercial was better, though not by much.

All this recent news is ruining my excitement for the movie.

[Ercoledi]

This is also the gay theme for the movie:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Listen-To-The-Quantum-Of-Solace-Theme-Song-10241.html
Utter shit.

You Know My Name, although nowhere near the best Bond theme song, was infinitely better.

[Cristo]

I was just about to post the new Bond song. How shite and disappointing is that.

I bet that they won't even have the naked, revolving women in two tone colours in the opening credits.

IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.

James Bond is no longer Bond. It is now another, generic action film which happens to revolve around a British spy. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the real James Bond, as Pierce Brosnan played him.

[Andrey]

No, they've said they'll definitely have the naked revolving women.

And it WAS broke, and needed much, much fixing. The problem is that you're judging Pierce Brosnan's character as the 'real' James Bond. If you're calling it a 'real' James Bond, go by Ian Fleming's original novels - that, you know, the movies were BASED off of. In which case, Daniel Craig is the most accurate portrayal of Bond, if we're going to be judging it off the books.

If we'll be judging it off the movie portrayals, go by Connery's roles - they MADE Bond who he is now. Plus, there were like three other fucking actors other than Connery and BEFORE Brosnan.

GoldenEye was decent - people say it was amazing, I saw nothing special about it. I watched it in kinda shitty quality, but it was still "okay". Way too over-the-top, which people say makes James Bond, but I didn't like it. After GoldenEye, everything was shit. Compare all of Brosnan's JB movies' ratings on review sites, and compare it to Casino Royale.

And even though it doesn't matter, Casino Royale was the highest grossing film in the history of James Bond.

And, if I can finally throw in my opinion, Casino Royale was FUCKING amazing.

[Bayview05]

I appear to be the only one on here that hates Daniel Craig. :ahe:

I don't know if I'll see this one, I went to Casino Royale and was so bored I walked out 20 minutes later. It just didn't seem like a Bond film to me. I think Craig did a real shitty job at acting.

By The Way, here's another poster.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/Qos-teaser.jpg

By the way by the way, I always have thought Roger Moore was the best Bond.

No, they are gone, here's an article about it...
http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b30472_dont_call_him_bond_james_bond.html

Sigh, they're slowly turning this once-great franchise into total mainstream generic shit.

[Ercoledi]

Goddamn it. This board is turning me against the movie.

Because that posters looks rather shite.

[Andrey]

I know, right? XD I would still be super-excited for the movie if I hadn't joined this forum and read this topic. That way I wouldn't have seen the shit posters, the even more shit theme song, and the news about Bond's catchphrases being axed and the runtime being only 1 hour, 40 minutes.

[Clerlic]

1h40mins? How are they going to fit in the parachute dives, lasers, poison darts, jetpacks,flame-throwing tanks, machine-guns, explosives and the other usual fun stuff?

[Ercoledi]

By all indications, Clerlic, they aren't.

[Andrey]

Just off the top of my head from watching the trailers though, they'll still have to find time to fit in:

- The CGI falling-through-glass fight
- Desert scene
- Olga and Bond walking through the desert
- Parkour chase in Italy
- Car chase in Italy
- Car chase over cliffs and stuff
- Car chase in a tunnel
- Boat chase somewhere
- Airplane chase/dogfight
- Motorcycle jump-onto-boat chase
- Sex
- Party
- The Eye amphitheater opera
- Exploding building in the desert

et ceteraaaaaaaa

[Hawke]

1h40mins? How are they going to fit in the parachute dives, lasers, poison darts, jetpacks,flame-throwing tanks, machine-guns, explosives and the other usual fun stuff?

That's ALL the 140 minutes is. Plot and character development are secondary.

[Crabstick]

I don't know if I'll see this one, I went to Casino Royale and was so bored I walked out 20 minutes later. It just didn't seem like a Bond film to me. I think Craig did a real shitty job at acting.

Wow, if you watched a whole 20 fucking minutes you must have a great indication of how he acted throughout a 144 minute film. That's gotta be the stupidest thing that's been said so far in this thread.

It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the real James Bond, as Pierce Brosnan played him.

Brosnan made him seem too fictitious. Even though Bond is supposed to be overtly suave and whatnot, he was just stupid about it.


Everybody panned Casino Royale when the trailers came out. Then they watched it, and were all like "HOLY SHIT BEST BOND EVAR!!" Give it time, this one will be the same.

[Bayview05]

Wow, if you watched a whole 20 fucking minutes you must have a great indication of how he acted throughout a 144 minute film. That's gotta be the stupidest thing that's been said so far in this thread.

When I see it and he has THE SAME FUCKING FACE for 20 straight minutes, I would say that is a good indication.

[Clerlic]

Regardless, I've decided to watch it, just because it's James Bond. Maybe it'll be better than Casino Royale.

[Ercoledi]

Of course, I'm definitely going to watch it. I'm just not sure what to think, now, or what sort of mindset to go in with. There's obvious chinks in the franchise's armour, but it's still James bloody Bond. I peed myself a little today when I saw the life-sized display in the cinema complex.

[Crabstick]

When I see it and he has THE SAME FUCKING FACE for 20 straight minutes, I would say that is a good indication.

I would say fuck you.

[Bayview05]

I would say fuck you.

A little Daniel Craig fanboy, much? :blanky:

[Crabstick]

A little Daniel Craig fanboy, much? :blanky:

Nope, somebody who thinks that anyone believing they can express an informed opinion about an actor or a film after the first 20 minutes (a large part of which doesn't even involve said actor) shouldn't honestly think they can cast trustworthy dispersions about either.

In words your simple mind can understand, it'd be like walking out halfway through The Empire Strikes Back, then saying the ending was disappointing.

[Bayview05]

I don't have to watch the whole movie to know Daniel Craig is an emotionless fuck. I watched the ending last night (HA!) and saw no difference in his expression from his realization of being deceived all the way to the big stupid shootout in the old building. And from there, he shoots that last guy and then what? Same carved-from-stone face. YOU KNOW THIS CRABSTICK. Just admit that the fucker can't act.

[Crabstick]

Timothy Dalton praises Craig for his Bond role (http://www.filmstalker.co.uk/archives/2007/02/timothy_dalton_praises_daniel.html)

Craig is a convincing Bond (http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/reviews/2006-11-16-review-casino-royale_x.htm)

Craig is brilliant (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6116286.stm)

Craig reviews as best Bond ever (http://www.hollywood.com/news/Bond_Reviews_Hail_Craig_as_Best_007_Ever/3585534)

Praise for Craig as Bond (http://www.waleg.com/celebrities/archives/005684.html)

His main asset quickly becomes evident. He can act.

Some of the best critics in the world said he was awesome. You're a dipshit who thinks he can form an opinion without knowing a fucking thing.

I know which direction I'm leaning in.

[Bayview05]

Okay, let's go with what other people have to say, instead of forming our own opinions!

CONFORMITY! CONFORMITY! CONFORMITY! :drool:

You are absolutely right, he can just keep the same face the entire time because all he has to do is dive around, shoot guns, and look cool, right? Fuck acting!

I have the opinion he sucks. You think he's great. OK. Whatever. Just end this circlejerking.

[Crabstick]

Okay, let's go with what other people have to say, instead of forming our own opinions!

It's called backing up your argument. Your turn.


You are absolutely right, he can just keep the same face the entire time because all he has to do is dive around, shoot guns, and look cool, right? Fuck acting!

You watched 20 fucking minutes. How the hell can you even form this argument?

[Bayview05]

DID YOU NOT CATCH THE PART WHERE I SAID A SAW THE (GENERIC CLICHE) ENDING?

[Ercoledi]

I'm pretty sure anyone who wants to critique someone's acting should sit through the entire movie. It's only fair, and it stops us making irrational arguments, hey?

If everyone is saying he's a great actor, could you not contemplate that maybe you're wrong?

[Crabstick]

DID YOU NOT CATCH THE PART WHERE I SAID A SAW THE (GENERIC CLICHE) ENDING?

20 minutes at the start and a few minutes at the end? Well shit, you must be an expert.

[Bayview05]

FINE! I'll try to watch the fucking movie, then come back with it. I am 95% sure I'll still have the same position though.

[Ercoledi]

Hey, but now you're prejudiced.

"Those mean boys from the internet want me to appreciate this movie, so I won't, thereby winning me the argument!"

Seriously, though, give it a go. It definitely has its good points.

[Cristo]

http://bondjamesbond.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/daniel-craig-is-not-bond-ian-fleming/

Pretty interesting piece. Essentially he thanks Daniel Craig for letting us realise how good a Bond Pierce Brosnan was.

[Bayview05]

Hey, but now you're prejudiced.

"Those mean boys from the internet want me to appreciate this movie, so I won't, thereby winning me the argument!"

Seriously, though, give it a go. It definitely has its good points.

No, I am going to seriously going to watch the movie and form an unbiased opinion.

[Crabstick]

No, I am going to seriously going to watch the movie and form an unbiased opinion.

:roffle:

Pretty interesting piece. Essentially he thanks Daniel Craig for letting us realise how good a Bond Pierce Brosnan was.

Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't seem to be what the article was saying at all.

[Houston]

The music video to the theme song was released yesterday:
http://the-reel-truth.blogspot.com/2008/09/another-way-to-hate-new-bond-theme.html

[Ercoledi]

I've got it! Jack White's the problem.

I'd be comfortable with Alicia Keys on her own; soulful woman belting out tunes worked really well in the past (Shirley Bassey is the best example).

Jack White's voice is just too...odd. I like it, but it totally clashes and crashes with Alicia Keys. Should've just kept it a solo.

Edit: the Lara Croft hair is also pretty bad.

[Andrey]

I dunno, Alicia Keys is kinda hot.

Jack White's voice doesn't even sound like that usually though! I mean seriously, before I saw the video, I couldn't tell who was singing, Jack or Keys. I think there should be some kinda difference between voices anyway.

[Christoffason]

I'm going to see this film on Sunday, a friend went to the sneak preview today and said it was incredible, if you like straightforward fast paced action (which I do). Most of the reviews here (UK) have been mixed, but I've never been a fan of the Moore-style Bond. I prefer Bond to be a badass.

Anyone actually seen it yet? I'm not sure if it's released globally on the same date or what?

[Houston]

If you bought, or buy, the Casino Royale 3-Disc Collector's Edition, you can watch Quantum of Solace for free. I just printed out my ticket this weekend and now I'm just waiting for Nov. 14th.

[Iceshade]

I love Daniel Craig as James Bond and I love the direction that the people in control are taking Bond these days. Taking away a big chunk of the ridiculous bravado (though not too much) and over the top gadgets, having Bond go after people who killed the girl he loved. It makes Bond seem more human and yet still fucking incredible. He's a superhero secret agent with a heart he can't control and he makes mistakes. Humanizing James Bond is the best thing they could have done.

Casino Royale is definitely my favorite Bond movie to date.

[hoopymo]

If it doesn't have oddjob or Sean Connery in it, it is shit.

[Bayview05]

If it doesn't have Pussy Galore or Sean Connery in it, it is shit.

Fixed.

[Andrey]

Stop moping and get used to the new.

[junglebunny]

Casino Royale was the shit and so shall this.

[Ziggy St. Valentine]

Casino Royale sucked. Connery was the best Bond, followed by Moore. Daniel Craig just does NOT suit the role at all, even Pierce Bronsan was much better. I think I'm gonna hate this movie.

[koots]

Casino Royale sucked. Connery was the best Bond, followed by Moore. Daniel Craig just does NOT suit the role at all, even Pierce Bronsan was much better. I think I'm gonna hate this movie.

I only liked the torture scene. With the itchy balls. I watched it seven nights in a row :eyespop:

[Stickperson]

Damn, little obsessive over the itchy balls huh?

[koots]

No I worked at a movie theatre and I worked seven nights in a row so I watched it seven nights in a row. Then I watched it with friends twice outside of the theatre.

[Richard_Simmons]

I have to say, I liked Craig as Bond, 2nd best to Connery.

I haven't expected much from this movie. I saw the trailer in the Dark Knight and wasn't that impressed. Who knows? I wasn't expecting much from Casino Royale.

[Stickperson]

I swear to holy baby jesus that I'm not going to be listening to that shit theme song with Jack White. I'll bring my iPod, listen to the Chris Cornell version, and then enjoy the movie.

Seriously, they made the James Bond theme song sound like all of the White Stripes shit songs.

[Derelict]

Oh God, I saw the music video earlier today and didn't even realize it was the theme. I changed the channel because it sucked! I just checked Houston's link, though, and it's the same fucking song. What the fuck!? It's fucking horrible! No one could have listened to it and thought, "This sure suits James Bond!" What the hell did they do to their voices? That stupid effect is terrible, and maybe they should have practiced harmonizing before recording. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

[Ercoledi]

I can see what they're trying to do, making it 'edgy' and 'gritty' by having the two musicians practically shouting over each other, but it just doesn't work. I had hope it would grow on me, but so far it's failed to strike a chord.

[Antisaint]

How can you compare Craig to the other Bonds? The new Bond is human, and comes with flaws. The old Bond was a suave badass who turned his few mistakes into something even better. Also Connery was the best old Bond.

[Derelict]

They're different deliveries. Antisaint is right. It's like comparing the new Batman to the old one. Sure, they're both Batman but they're completely different movies. Albeit the James Bond films are a little more similar than my example, but I like to think it's a good point.

[Andrey]

Since the UK people have it in theaters already, it has a 76% at RottenTomatoes so far.

Nowhere near Casino Royale's 94%, but I'm optimistic. A lot of the reviews are panning it for not being similar to the 'old' Bond. Who gives a flying piece of shit anymore.

[Jesterhead]

I love Daniel Craig as James Bond and I love the direction that the people in control are taking Bond these days. Taking away a big chunk of the ridiculous bravado (though not too much) and over the top gadgets, having Bond go after people who killed the girl he loved. It makes Bond seem more human and yet still fucking incredible. He's a superhero secret agent with a heart he can't control and he makes mistakes. Humanizing James Bond is the best thing they could have done.

Casino Royale is definitely my favorite Bond movie to date.

No. Making Bond human is the worst they could do. Bond is inhumanly badass who're using women. Pleasure and gather information out of them. Connery was the best Bond, and will allways be the best. He IS bond. Roger Moore did a damn awesome job as well. Connery is still better though.
Also Crow pretty much nailed it. Bond escapes everything, allways looks awesome and is over all way to badass.
Brosnan was more about the action. Craig seems kinda boring. The classic movies are best.

[Haggis McSpud]

I saw the movie on Friday morning and I'm still trying to work out the storyline. I must have been distracted by the car chases, fight scenes and semi naked women (not to mention major Bond angst). It was a pretty action packed movie, but I don't think I would want to watch it again.

[Allen]

The new theme song isn't bad.

It's just not very good.

Too boring.

[Iceshade]

No. Making Bond human is the worst they could do. Bond is inhumanly badass who're using women. Pleasure and gather information out of them. Connery was the best Bond, and will allways be the best. He IS bond. Roger Moore did a damn awesome job as well. Connery is still better though.
Also Crow pretty much nailed it. Bond escapes everything, allways looks awesome and is over all way to badass.
Brosnan was more about the action. Craig seems kinda boring. The classic movies are best.

No. Making Bond human was the best way to revive the series. The parkour-esque section of Casino Royale had me on the edge of my seat, so it already was a better scene than any of the completely absurd chase scenes in recent Bond movies. People were getting tired of how unrealistic Bond was getting... I mean riding an iceberg in Die Another Day? Come on. Daniel Craig's Bond is real.

[Jesterhead]

No. Making Bond human was the best way to revive the series. The parkour-esque section of Casino Royale had me on the edge of my seat, so it already was a better scene than any of the completely absurd chase scenes in recent Bond movies. People were getting tired of how unrealistic Bond was getting... I mean riding an iceberg in Die Another Day? Come on. Daniel Craig's Bond is real.

Yeah well. I mean inhuman in the old school kinda way, like Sean and Roger did it.
The recent bond movies with brosnan could be any other action movie. I agree with you there.

[Allen]

I'd like to see a Bond film top Goldeneye. I doubt Quantum of Solace is going to be that movie, but I'm expecting it to be diggable.

[Ercoledi]

To be honest, I always thought Goldeneye was pretty mediocre, just like all the other Brosnan Bond films. N64 game kicked ass, though.

I'd have to say Goldfinger is the best of the franchise thus far.

[Iiro]

The theme song owns.

[Ercoledi]

I hope you were referring to Goldfinger.

[Allen]

To be honest, I always thought Goldeneye was pretty mediocre, just like all the other Brosnan Bond films. N64 game kicked ass, though.

I'd have to say Goldfinger is the best of the franchise thus far.

Goldeneye was badass and epic. And as far as the Connery flicks go, From Russia With Love was the best. Goldfinger was rather mediocre, actually.

[Allen]

And Tina Turner's Goldeneye theme was amazing.

[Richard_Simmons]

I'm agreeing with everybody else: From Russia with Love and Goldeneye are the best Bonds films in the entire series. Closely followed by Casino Royale and the Man with the Golden Gun.

[Iiro]

I hope you were referring to Goldfinger.
noe

[Ox]

The theme for Quantum of Solace doesn't sound like a Bond song at all. I quite like it, but I'd prefer it in a different context.

[CharlieH]

O.K.

My two cents.

The action sequences were great. That exploding hotel was badass.

However, my girlfriend and I both thought that a couple more dialog scenes talking about what was actually going on would have been good.

[Andrey]

I saw GoldenEye and thought it didn't live up to the hype. It was just a bit...boring. And dated, already.

Game was indeed awesome, though. For its time, of course.

[Christoffason]

Saw this movie on the weekend, I thought it was superb. It doesn't reach the heights of Casino Royale but that was expected and everybody knew it wouldn't.

The actual storyline and film are quite short, under 2 hours. It's more of a short story about Bond uncovering Quantum, and they've just stretched it out with epic chase and fight scenes. Bond is far more brutal in this film than Casino Royale which is ace, he just doesn't give a fuck. This films all about revenge, not so much story line, but that's fine with me.

The theme song wasn't actually that bad, better than Casino's and the few bonds before that (especially Madonna's).

I give it 8/10, as it leaves me wanting more, and I can't wait for the next one!

[Iceshade]

Damnit, it doesn't come out stateside for another week and a half.

[Andrey]

Cannot fucking wait.

Too bad the opening day will be packed. I'll probably see it on Saturday.

[timbot]

I just saw it, I wasn't overly impressed.
Like Charlie H. said, it could have used a bit more dialogue. And it didn't help that some of the dialogue was in Spanish which I can't understand with Korean subtitles which I also can't understand.
I'm not a huge Bond fanatic, but there were some things that were kind of let downs.
Sex with only one woman.
No personal showdown between Bond and the villain.
The villain in general was sort of a let down, kind of wussy, no gimmick, no big, personal plan to take over the world. I think the massive secret organization is a bit too realistic for Bond. I want a flashy, egomaniacal, power craving leader to demonize.

[Dodger]

More like quantum of bollocks!
Hahaha

[Derelict]

I like Daniel Craig as Bond, regardless of what you fagfaces say. Ian Flemming never claimed that James Bond was a hero at all, and wanted him to be viewed as a badass with weakness. For a 'trip to the original Bond' these movies are pretty decent. You just have to watch them with a different expectation than you had with Pierce Brosnan.

[Ercoledi]

You mean we should expect them to be good?

[Derelict]

I mean we shouldn't expect them to be a man who can dodge bullets, jerk! :mad:

[Ercoledi]

Sorry Pierce.

[Houston]

I thought it was really entertaining, but definitely not great...kind of like a good Transformers.

http://the-reel-truth.blogspot.com/2008/11/quantum-of-solace-review.html

[Allen]

As an action movie, I loved it.

I'm confused as to where I'd place it as a Bond flick, though.

[Kwanza]

Going to see it tonight though all the reviews seem around the same place. Awesome as an action movie, not so good as an entry to the Bond flicks, nor as a sequel to Casino Royale.

[mizmary86]

I liked it, the last one was better though

[Relaps]

Yeah, it was more of a Borne movie than a Bond movie. The only times he really seemed to be like Bond is when he was dealing with M or with the Redheaded babe.

Also, what the hell is with the overly shaking camera? It'd be nice to be able to distinguish what the hell he's doing. It's a bad habit in films today that really shouldn't flourish like it is.

Overall, I'm disappointed in QoS.

[Allen]

I'm going to say it.

I loved this movie.

Sure, it was much more of an action film than Bond typically is, but why not? Honestly. It's the 22nd movie for Christ's sake. I don't want to keep watching Goldfinger and Dr. No over and over again, to be honest. They made it unique. Sure, a lot of it felt like typical action movie, but it still had the key elements that made it Bond. I love this even as a Bond flick.

[Allen]

I think the massive secret organization is a bit too realistic for Bond. I want a flashy, egomaniacal, power craving leader to demonize.

S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

Now shut up.

I wish they would bring SPECTRE back. That would be ballin'. Unfortunately, copyright issues won't allow it. If they got around that and bought the rights, I would suck the dick of anyone who had anything to do with the decision.

[Ercoledi]

What sort of copyright issues surround SPECTRE?

QoS opens here in four days. Can't wait. :yes:

[Allen]

Some bullshit about Kevin McClory claiming rights. He won a case back before Thunderball was made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPECTRE#Copyright_issues

[Derelict]

I got the feeling that Quantum will be the new SPECTRE. They make various references to it, yet they don't reveal any real information. Plus, Bond has already killed a few of Quantum's men. The scene in which Bond throws Greene into the desert; Greene says, "I told you everything I know about Quantum" but they don't show us the actual conversation. It certainly would have cleared up a few things, but it's obvious they wanted the movie to be more about Bond's internal struggles than his missions.

Needless to say, I loved the movie. I didn't feel any of the disappointment people keep expressing, and Daniel Craig even performed as a right good James Bond. I just hope in the next film they give him a few more witty lines. He seems to be getting more jaded, which is definitely a good thing.

[BreakTheWalls]

Saw the film last night, I was most impressed. Plenty of action, the dialogue was to the point and the settings was just gorgeous. Sure, it has a lot to live up to with all the other bond films but for me this one fitted the bill nicely. It was so good, I didn't miss the line "Bond, James Bond" at all.

[Andrey]

Okay, so, I forget if I've posted here yet.

But I fucking LOVED the movie.

Right off from the beginning car chase. Fuck, I loved EVERYTHING about the movie.

I was complaining about the 1 hour 40 minutes runtime, but this is great. There was not a single boring part in the movie.

Surprisingly the humor was funny, too. "You were supposed to shoot her!" "Well, I missed!" *flips motorbike out from under the guy*

I think the Tosca opera scene was probably my favorite. It wasn't just a great setting for Bond being all stealthy, the opera music was great for the gunfight near the end. Like when Bond makes the Quantum agents leave to identify themselves, and he and Greene and his posse run into each other. They stand there staring at each other silently while the opera music goes into a crescendo. Then Bond bolts and they run after him and their restaurant gunfight is all silent except for the opera music in the background with shots of the opera itself in between.

And the end of that whole thing was badass, I thought. *dragging guy onto rooftop* "Who do you work for?" "Piss off." *Bond holds him over the rooftop while Greene gets into a car below* "I asked you who you worked for." *guy tries to punch him, Bond lets him go and guy falls onto Greene's car while Bond just straightens his tux and walks away*

Following that, the boat chase was probably my second favorite scene. The whole exploding hotel climax in third place.

[Derelict]

I found a few of the dialogue parts a little boring, but the ending more than made up for it. It wasn't just a wicked explosion, it was a series of wicked explosions.

[Kashew]

My roommate and I saw it with a bunch of friends opening night. We're both firefighters and were joking that if we ever get trapped in a burning building, we need to look for the hydrogen tanks in the walls to blow it up so we can get out.


Some absolutely ludicrous things in that scene from a fire standpoint...but whatever.

I think what ruined my mindset for the movie thought was the new "Fast and the Furious" movie. I was expecting them to be creative and call it "3 Fast 3 Furious".


Other than that, the Bond movie was pretty good. I like how they're setting this up for a series of good movies. I just wish the down time between the movies wasn't TWO YEARS.

[lafuriaroja]

I have fallen in love with Olga Kurylenko

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00464/007_682x400_464308a.jpg

As Spike Segal one said, "I love a girl that can kick my ass."

Oh, and the movie was badass as well.

[Allen]

I think the Tosca opera scene was probably my favorite. It wasn't just a great setting for Bond being all stealthy, the opera music was great for the gunfight near the end. Like when Bond makes the Quantum agents leave to identify themselves, and he and Greene and his posse run into each other. They stand there staring at each other silently while the opera music goes into a crescendo. Then Bond bolts and they run after him and their restaurant gunfight is all silent except for the opera music in the background with shots of the opera itself in between.

And the end of that whole thing was badass, I thought. *dragging guy onto rooftop* "Who do you work for?" "Piss off." *Bond holds him over the rooftop while Greene gets into a car below* "I asked you who you worked for." *guy tries to punch him, Bond lets him go and guy falls onto Greene's car while Bond just straightens his tux and walks away*

Following that, the boat chase was probably my second favorite scene. The whole exploding hotel climax in third place.

You see, to me this was just gratuitous action movie bullshit. That whole everything-goes-silent-except-the-music shit. It didn't ruin anything for me, but when it came up I could only say "Really?" and look over at my friends in disbelief that they stuck that in a Bond movie. It was a pretty cool scene, though, as far as shoot-out scenes go.

[Kwanza]

Agreed with Allen. They've taken Bond and turned it into a generic over-the-top action flick. No cool gadgets, no awesome one liners, he even missed a PERFECT opportunity to say "shaken, not stirred", but was ignored and went back to drinking BEER. I was genuinely pissed off at that point.

As a movie, it's great for action and an adrenaline rush. Story is shit and impossible to follow. As a Bond movie, it pissed me off more than did any good for the series.

[javaD]

Agreed with Allen. They've taken Bond and turned it into a generic over-the-top action flick. No cool gadgets, no awesome one liners, he even missed a PERFECT opportunity to say "shaken, not stirred", but was ignored and went back to drinking BEER. I was genuinely pissed off at that point.

As a movie, it's great for action and an adrenaline rush. Story is shit and impossible to follow. As a Bond movie, it pissed me off more than did any good for the series.

I grew up with the Bond movies, not saying I'm old, but my mom is a fan. The thing is that Casino Royale and Quantum of solace is not meant to be in between of any of this movies, but more of some kind of Prequels. As somebody said over here the point of the movies is about characterization. This means that we are looking at a more human bond while becoming the Suave bond that Connery was. That doesn't mean it suck, I mean do you think Bond was always suave and getting the ladies when he started as an agent? We are talking the first books, the inexperience bond trying to deal with his emotions and becoming a stoic person.

[Mustache]

I honestly didn't love it. But I will admit that it was pretty sweet. Ok, really sweet. I don't really have a huge reason. Just that I like elaborate storylines. :nerd:

[Antisaint]

I grew up with the Bond movies, not saying I'm old, but my mom is a fan. The thing is that Casino Royale and Quantum of solace is not meant to be in between of any of this movies, but more of some kind of Prequels. As somebody said over here the point of the movies is about characterization. This means that we are looking at a more human bond while becoming the Suave bond that Connery was. That doesn't mean it suck, I mean do you think Bond was always suave and getting the ladies when he started as an agent? We are talking the first books, the inexperience bond trying to deal with his emotions and becoming a stoic person.

That doesn't give them an excuse to cut the story so short. There were plenty of scenes where it could have been expanded upon (mostly the desert scene), but they just didn't. As the shortest Bond film yet, they could have put more in it easily.

Basically it was all set up with no follow through.

That pale redhead chick was hot as fuck.

[1zabest]

No cool gadgets

You're kidding right? God damn that was one of the biggest hooks that made me enjoy most Bond movies.

I haven't seen the film yet, but if it is just another generic action flick I might skip seeing it at the movies, and instead download/rent it when it is released on DVD.


Recommendations everyone? Worth dishing out the $ for movie tickets + ridiculously overpriced cinema food to see this movie?
Opens in Cinemas here tonight.

[CnGy]

Don't see it.

That was not a Bond movie.

It was like if someone turned Bond into CSI: Miami.

[Andrey]

Don't see it.

That was not a Bond movie.

It was like if someone turned Bond into CSI: Miami.

The traditional things it retained from the previous Bond movies far outweighed the small details (HE ONLY HAS SEX WITH ONE WOMAN, BOO FUCKING HOO). So yes, until it becomes a movie about a renegade mercenary operating in South Africa named James Bond or something, it's still a Bond movie. Quit bitching.

[CnGy]

What the hell did it retain man?

I have seen old bonds.

That was NOTHING like that. I don't care who he sleeps with, I don't like seeing a stupid cheesy MI6 that looks like god damn CSI.

At all. It flowed a little better than Casino Royale (another disaster that you probably like)

So, tell me, what was so great about it, aside from him having blonde hair like in the book, whose greatness is debatable.

[Andrey]

The movie itself?

I thought the action was very well made. I honestly am not sure what people mean when they say they get motionsick or can't keep track of the camera or whatnot. I saw perfectly well what was going on during all the action scenes, with the ONE exception of the 40-second segment in the tunnel in the intro car chase, because I couldn't tell why the hell a truck was smashing into his Aston Martin repeatedly.

I thought the story was creative too. I prefer a bit more plausibility in my movies, I guess. I find the idea of Greene's plan better than say, satellite laser weapons in space which I'm sure has been done many times before (GoldenEye and Die Another Day off the top of my head).

As for MI6 - there, you have your gadgets right there, all that high tech hardware. Didn't look cheesy to me at all. Times change, intelligence services need more accessability.

Back to what I thought made the movie great. There was easily twice as much action as in Casino Royale for example, yet enough stealthy classic Bond scenes - the opera for example. Before he runs into Greene's group and his cover is blown, he remains unseen and gets ID photos of all the QUANTUM members and overhears their plan.

And he acts just like the old Bond when around Agent Fields, I thought. All the dry humor and preferring the "good life", like when he switches hotels.

As for everything it retains, I'll summarize: the characters, the exotic locations (although of course they're not as exotic as they seemed before, the world is a much smaller place now), the cars, the women, the dry humor, the villain, the henchmen, the behind the scenes organization (SPECTRE and QUANTUM), the villain's plan, and Bond going rogue although for a very short amount of time.

What it DIDN'T retain, which is what people bitch about: "Bond, James Bond", "shaken, not stirred", one liners, an EXTREMELY EVIL VILLAIN, an EXTREMELY EVIL PLAN, and some physical deformity in the villain. Oh, and Bond's "suave" attitude.

I did not miss "Bond, James Bond" at all. Plus there was nowhere they could put it in so that it sounded natural. Plus, it's NOT THE FIRST MOVIE TO NOT INCLUDE THIS LINE. Plenty of the old ones didn't.

"Shaken, not stirred..." honestly, they could've put this in, but I don't really give a shit about little details. I have to admit, though, like I said, plenty of bar type scenes where he could've ordered something shaken and not stirred.

One liners. They piss me off, glad there weren't many. Especially the cheesy post-killing-bad-guy ones.

The villain. Greene was realistic. He didn't need to be some scarred deformed monster with metal teeth. He could've been any one of us. His plan didn't need to involve the annihilation of the world - it was strategic and yet WOULD accomplish QUANTUM's goals in the end, in an inconspicuous, off-the-radar method. And his "hideout"...I've heard people bitch about how he operated in a warehouse in Haiti and then in a hotel in the middle of the desert. Firstly, the warehouse was just a temporary setting that we saw. Second of all, I'll take the fuel-cell-operated (unstable = explosions) hotel in the middle of the desert over some underwater bunker or moon base. It's pretty creative and realistic enough (it's a real place).

Bond's suave attitude. Yes, of course it's not there yet. He only got his 00-status a few months back (in the Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace timeline). And there were parts where it shone through (all his scenes with Mathis and Fields).

That.

[1zabest]

God damn can you summarize that post in 1 or 2 lines? I'm not reading all that

Edit: Okay I read some of it.

Bond's suave attitude is what made the other movies what they are, without that they are random action movies.

No gadgets = Not Bond.

The one liners don't really matter THAT much, but it would be nice. They may seem cheesy, but that is part of their charm

And the evil villains, I think, are a must. They are meant to be ridiculously evil, symbolic characters.

[Derelict]

Casino Royale (another disaster that you probably like)

That's really a matter of personal opinion considering the commercial success it had.

[Andrey]

Yeah, sorry about the 50-page post back there. Got a bit carried away and I'm a fast typer. Oh well.

I see what you mean and I love most of the Sean Connery movies for what they were at their time and yet I love Casino Royale and Quantum just as much for being good movies and fitting into the current times.

[Allen]

What the hell did it retain man?

I have seen old bonds.

That was NOTHING like that. I don't care who he sleeps with, I don't like seeing a stupid cheesy MI6 that looks like god damn CSI.

At all. It flowed a little better than Casino Royale (another disaster that you probably like)

So, tell me, what was so great about it, aside from him having blonde hair like in the book, whose greatness is debatable.

Shut the fuck up, Fiend Guy. As someone who owns all of the Bond films and watches most of them regularly, I still loved this movie.

Sure, it was odd. But it definitely wasn't horrible. It retained almost everything. I didn't miss the gadgets at all. At all. They're setting up for that later, but right now this is a new beginning. He's still Bond. Sure, he was angry, but he never lost that Bond swagger and never got all emotional with yelling and crying.

Everyone: Understand that this is a trilogy. This story arc is spanning three movies. It's the set-up for Craig to be the typical, vodka martini drinking, shaken-not-stirred Bond, James Bond, gadgets and all. This was part 2. It's not a stand alone!

The only problems here are that it deviates from the Bond formula, which I could care less about, because the Bond formula has turned out quite a few bad ones, and it suffers from being a middle movie with no real closure.

And Casino Royale rocked, so fuck you. I'm glad they're doing something different with it. You can only do spy-saves-world-from-megalomaniac-with-devastating-device/weapon so many times. To me, this is a welcome change.

[CnGy]

Wow why the language this is a forum I'm allowed to have an opinion.

I thought that boat scene was stupid as hell too, it looked like they just filmed them going around in a circle.

Whatever, you guys, along with everyone else, have no idea what a good film is, this film was shit, for reasons that have nothing to do with whether it was "bond" enough as you seem to think I think.

They had opportunities not taken with the dialogue, you've seen the films, have you read the book? How does this one stack up?

I like the concept, I'm just mad because the can always take things further, and they never do.

Action scenes - Get that camera in close so we actually don't have to film anything yee haw!

The opera scene was cut nicely. Way to rip off Fifth Element.

Let me be absolutely clear - the story was fine. It was pretty much everything else, especially the camera work.

Good day.

[Andrey]

The book? THE BOOK? This is Quantum of Solace, the SHORT STORY:

"Quantum of Solace" is not a spy story and James Bond appears only in the background. Told in the style of W Somerset Maugham, the tale has Bond attending a boring dinner party at the Government House in Nassau, Bahamas with a group of socialites he can't stand."

So don't compare it to the book.

And yes, we all agreed, I thought, that the camerawork COULD have been better but you can't get EVERYTHING perfect, and I had no problem with it. Case in point, the tank chase in GoldenEye was boring to me. Yes, you could clearly see everything that was going on, but as a result of the zoomed out camera, it seemed to slow the scene down. There was no sense of thrill, of pursuit, of danger or destruction, even. Whereas the cut-flash-cut intro scene in Quantum of Solace gave you the feeling of high speed pursuit and danger and yes, for a few seconds it was hard to see what was going on, but that replicates what it would feel like to be in Bond's situation.

The opportunities not taken with the dialogue, yes, but it's not such a huge fucking deal!

And the boat scene was great, I thought. The music was sweet and despite the fact that Bond's randomly picked wooden boat seemed to be indestructible, the chase still turned out good. And there were several parts where they went in a circle - there was a point to it, it was so that Bond could do a 180 later and ram one of the boats.

[CnGy]

I couldn't get over the fact that boats going that fast would take up a space easily 5 times larger than that though.

And the tank chase was slow because it's a fuckin tank man.

I don't want to "feel" like it's a high speed chase, I want to see a fucking high speed chase.

They have millions of dollars, cutting in close is an obvious OBVIOUS way to save time and effort instead of making a more elaborate picture.

It's very lazy.

The american mustache guy was awesome. I hope he gets killed eventually because that will be hilarious without a doubt.

[Clerlic]

I haven't seen Quantum Of Solace yet, but the tank chase in Goldeneye was pretty intense.

[retard]

I did not miss "Bond, James Bond" at all. Plus there was nowhere they could put it in so that it sounded natural. Plus, it's NOT THE FIRST MOVIE TO NOT INCLUDE THIS LINE. Plenty of the old ones didn't.

That.

It isn't the first to not have it
But its the first in the last 22 films not too have it.

[Allen]

Wow why the language this is a forum I'm allowed to have an opinion.

I thought that boat scene was stupid as hell too, it looked like they just filmed them going around in a circle.

Whatever, you guys, along with everyone else, have no idea what a good film is, this film was shit, for reasons that have nothing to do with whether it was "bond" enough as you seem to think I think.

They had opportunities not taken with the dialogue, you've seen the films, have you read the book? How does this one stack up?

I like the concept, I'm just mad because the can always take things further, and they never do.

Action scenes - Get that camera in close so we actually don't have to film anything yee haw!

The opera scene was cut nicely. Way to rip off Fifth Element.

Let me be absolutely clear - the story was fine. It was pretty much everything else, especially the camera work.

Good day.

Sir, when do I not use harsh language?

And I agree in a lot of ways. It's not the absolute best Bond flick. I do have issues with it. Especially the opera scene, because that was just typical action flick cliche bullshit and didn't belong in a Bond movie at all. And so were other scenes.

But the movie kept pace. It was exciting. The story was good for a middle movie. The good in this movie outweighed the bad for me. I like it. It's an entertaining watch and better than many of the Bond flicks, especially most of the Moore ones.

[Andrey]

It isn't the first to not have it
But its the first in the last 22 films not too have it.

Uhm. What?

[Allen]

He's retarded.

[CnGy]

Well I have not seen the moore ones.

I don't think anyone has.

[1zabest]

They better make it good with the third movie in this little trilogy.

[Derelict]

How come they chose Quantum of Solace as the title? Was the story line of this film in any of the books, or was it just thought up for the movie? I didn't know Quantum of Solace was only a short story until about a week before I saw the movie.

[Ercoledi]

It seems totally arbitrary, no connection to anything besides it being about James Bond. I hate the title, it sounds like something a 14 year old fanfic author would use.

[javaD]

That doesn't give them an excuse to cut the story so short. There were plenty of scenes where it could have been expanded upon (mostly the desert scene), but they just didn't. As the shortest Bond film yet, they could have put more in it easily.

Basically it was all set up with no follow through.

That pale redhead chick was hot as fuck.

Don't think as quantum of solace as a whole movie...just think about it as the extra Hour they didn't add in Casino Royale. Basically Quantum of solace is just the aftermath of Casino Royale that's why I didn't expect much change from Casino Royale.

[CnGy]

The best part was the oil being her demise imo.

I am mad they didn't blow up the dammed water or something.

[Andrey]

It seems totally arbitrary, no connection to anything besides it being about James Bond. I hate the title, it sounds like something a 14 year old fanfic author would use.
Bond keeps looking for revenge even though he knows it won't bring back Vesper because she's dead. But he needs it to get some closure, and provide that tiny amount, the tiniest amount (a quantum) of solace that he needs to get closure.

And plus, QUANTUM as the organization was probably an afterthought.

[pieceofmcdonalds]

I thought that the intro was fucking awesome. Just my two cents.

[Homemaster]

Yeah she is smoking, and as far as redheads go, that one was FINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[cptlol]

That pale redhead chick was hot as fuck.

Gemma Arterton

[InTransit]

I went into this movie as a long time Bond fangirl, but went with a friend who had never seen a Bond movie before and we both loved it. I think Daniel Craig has done a brilliant job as Bond. Considering where these movies come in, he's supposed to have that human side to him, so that the character can evolve into being the suave, and almost heartless character that Sean Connery played (and Conney is my favourite Bond by far).

We both agreed that a couple of scenes could've been done better. The opera fight scene was too over the top and didn't suit the flow of the movie at all if you compare it to any other action scenes. And the boat scene could've been filmed better. It was too hard to follow and too jumpy.

And I liked the villain. He played the part well and had the eyes of a madman. His final scene was perfect as well, and showed how Bond is slowly evolving into the kind of Bond that everyone wants him to be. At the end of the day, Bond is a killer, so he must be able to take some pleasure out of letting the guy suffer.

[CnGy]

The bad guy's eyes were definitely the highlight of the movie.

[Andrey]

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