View Full Version : Terminator 4: Salvation
Desert
07-18-2008, 11:09 PM
Coming out May 29, 2009.
Plot:Set in post-apocalyptic 2018, John Connor (Christian Bale), the man fated to be the leader of the human resistance against Skynet and its army of Terminators, and the future he was raised to believe in is altered in part by the appearance of Marcus Wright (Sam Worthington), a Terminator whose last memory is of being on death row. Connor must decide whether Marcus has been sent from the future, or rescued from the past. As Skynet prepares its final onslaught, Connor and Marcus both embark on an odyssey that takes them into the heart of Skynet's operations, where they find out a terrible secret that may lead to the possible annihilation of mankind
Wiki article. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_Salvation)
Trailer. (http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/terminator-salvation/teaser-trailer&title=Terminator%20Salvation%20Teaser%20Trailer)
As a fan on the first and second (and kind of the third), I have to see this. And Christian Bale as John Connor just screams epic.
MrDoctor
07-18-2008, 11:53 PM
I think they should have just let the series be after the third. It just seems like they're just trying to gain a little last bit of money out of the series. I'm still gonna see it because I think Terminator movies are good. Plus Christian Bale is in it and thats pretty bad ass.
Allen
07-19-2008, 12:21 AM
I think it needed redemption after the third. That's why this film is called Terminator Salvation. Christian Bale is going to stomp some ass.
Casalen
07-19-2008, 12:25 AM
It had better kick ass. And I'm glad it's not to be exactly the same as the last three, which were pretty much the same movie except two of them were better.
To be honest, I can't imagine Bale as John Connor. Not saying he's going ot be bad, its just I think of Connor and I can't help to think of Edward Furlong. Or at least the guy who played him in T3, I don't think he did that bad.
I wish they could get Furlong to reprise the role as Connor, that'd be so awesome. But I'll end up watching this movie when it comes out.
Too bad Arnold isn't going to be in it.
To be honest, I can't imagine Bale as John Connor. Not saying he's going ot be bad, its just I think of Connor and I can't help to think of Edward Furlong. Or at least the guy who played him in T3, I don't think he did that bad.
I can easily imagine bale as john connor the picture they released looks great.
I wish they could get Furlong to reprise the role as Connor, that'd be so awesome. But I'll end up watching this movie when it comes out.
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2946/furlongmd4.jpg
Yeah, I'll pass.
Too bad Arnold isn't going to be in it.
Are you kidding? That is the one saving grace this movie has. Arnold was forced into the 3rd one and it ended up just being awkward. Now they can actual develop some plot if they want, since they don't have to focus on arnold.
Kevosk
07-19-2008, 12:44 AM
Well Bale's signed on to do (at least) two other ones so if they fuck this one up beyond hope they get two more shots!! :fmita:
Arnold woulda been a waste of money anyways. He's gotten fatter, and he was only really a mascot to the series; it was always about the Connors, people just thought Arnold was badass (and he was).
Hickabod
07-19-2008, 3:50 AM
The story doesn't sound too bad, and like Kevosk said, theres another 2.
Alcoholic
07-19-2008, 4:54 AM
Been waitin' for this one. I kind of liked the third one, making Judgement Day inevitable, though to be honest, that almost made T2's events trivial, which sucks 'cause, let's face it, T2 was a work of art to be amazed by in every aspect.
Apparently they changed it, but John Connor wasn't originally going to be the main character in T4. I think it was going to be one of his resistance soldiers, though the trailer says otherwise. Anyone with more info?
And SOAD, I laughed at the Furlong pic you posted. Now I can picture him saying, "I'm supposed to be 'some great leader'".
Hickabod
07-19-2008, 5:05 AM
Been waitin' for this one. I kind of liked the third one, making Judgement Day inevitable, though to be honest, that almost made T2's events trivial, which sucks 'cause, let's face it, T2 was a work of art to be amazed by in every aspect.
The alternate ending for T2 is extremely rare but utterly fantastic, they should have used that ending and left the franchise there.
Alcoholic
07-19-2008, 5:15 AM
The alternate ending for T2 is extremely rare but utterly fantastic, they should have used that ending and left the franchise there.
I like your style sir, yet agree and disagree. I'm assuming you're referring to the Sarah Connor ending, in the future, reflecting about how everything was prevented? I liked that idea, I really did, but that made it almost feel like a Conan flick - yes, I imagine Sarah Connor making that speech on a throne with a rather large sword. I like the sense of finality and closure that the Sarah ending had, but I like the somewhat unsure ending a tiny bit more.
Pieman
07-19-2008, 6:36 AM
I just hope they don't go for a time paradox mindfuck. Everyone seems to do it and its really fucking annoying.
The only thing I'm worried about is McG directing. Seriously, the guy who did the Charlie's Angels flicks and We Are Marshall? Okay.
It looks badass, and Bale liked the script, and he hasn't done anything bad since Reign of Fire, and that's because he wasn't exactly A-List then. I'm optimistic.
Plus, I love the idea of a Terminator flick without time-travel. There better not be any time-travel. I'm sick of that plot device.
Alcoholic
07-19-2008, 9:22 AM
The only thing I'm worried about is McG directing. Seriously, the guy who did the Charlie's Angels flicks and We Are Marshall? Okay.
It looks badass, and Bale liked the script, and he hasn't done anything bad since Reign of Fire, and that's because he wasn't exactly A-List then. I'm optimistic.
Plus, I love the idea of a Terminator flick without time-travel. There better not be any time-travel. I'm sick of that plot device.
Yeah, I was worried about McG too, but the trailer eased my mind.
I was excited about one of thoe movies being set in the future, during the actual war and all.
Casalen
07-19-2008, 6:22 PM
Didn't you read the first post in this thread? It involves time travel. At least not like it always has before, though.
Chaplin
07-19-2008, 6:54 PM
I'm really hoping this is good and that it doesn't suck, it could really bring the series out of it's hole. I also hope it isn't a complete action movie and has a decent story-line.
Didn't you read the first post in this thread? It involves time travel. At least not like it always has before, though.
I meant in the way of it being set in modern times with the apocalypse coming back in time.
where they find out a terrible secret that may lead to the possible annihilation of mankind
Wasn't mankind already annihilated though?
Android
07-19-2008, 11:20 PM
I can't fucking wait for this new Terminator! Sure, there has been some personnel changes, but I totally think Bale can pull off Jon Connor. I'm a sucker for the Terminator franchise, so I will definitely be seeing it.
Souldrinker
07-20-2008, 1:35 AM
Well, Christian Bale is one bad-arse mother, so he alone makes this film worth watching.
Trailer looks quite good, too. I'm not over the moon about it but definitely going to see it.
Hickabod
07-20-2008, 7:47 AM
I like the sense of finality and closure that the Sarah ending had, but I like the somewhat unsure ending a tiny bit more.
The reason I dislike the theatrical ending is because it left it open to, potentially, a further 4 sequals and a TV series, get my drift?
Alcoholic
07-20-2008, 7:55 AM
The reason I dislike the theatrical ending is because it left it open to, potentially, a further 4 sequals and a TV series, get my drift?
Ahahaha, oh yeah, I know what you mean. In my opinion, the series would have been flawless if left alone after T2, but I really am stoked about seeing more. There's still more you can do with it, and the new one won't mess with the continuity of anything.
I actually liked how unstable and uncertain the canonical ending left it thouh, and I normally don't like movies like that!
Clerlic
07-20-2008, 8:21 AM
No Arnie killed my hardon.
Houston
12-10-2008, 5:54 PM
Here's the first official trailer that will be playing before The Day The Earth Stood Still (Along with Wolverine):
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/12/09/new-terminator-salvation-movie-trailer-what-do-you-think/
Here's a still from the terminator factory:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/12/10/tsd19432r_2.jpg
Andrey
12-10-2008, 8:59 PM
Does look like Transformers especially near the end.
Dodger
12-10-2008, 9:03 PM
The Terminator series (like most movie series) has gotten worse with time, however it seems like they really tried shake shit up with this one, so it doesn't seem old and done.
Christian Bale and Helena Bonham Carter are enough to make me watch any movie.
bRainville
12-10-2008, 9:55 PM
I watch the Terminator movies for Arnold. So if arnold isn't going to be in it..I'm gonna hafta pass on it. Even though Christian Bale is an AMAZING actor.
Terminator without Arnold = Batman without Robin; Peanut Butter without Jelly; Ham without Cheese.
It's just awkward :[
Here's the first official trailer that will be playing before The Day The Earth Stood Still (Along with Wolverine):
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/12/09/...-do-you-think/
Is it just me or do those motorcycles look like the ones from The Dark Knight?
Dacada
12-11-2008, 2:19 AM
I watch the Terminator movies for Arnold. So if arnold isn't going to be in it..I'm gonna hafta pass on it. Even though Christian Bale is an AMAZING actor.
Terminator without Arnold = Batman without Robin; Peanut Butter without Jelly; Ham without Cheese.
It's just awkward :[
Is it just me or do those motorcycles look like the ones from The Dark Knight?
They had a Batman-without-Robin movie, actually; I heard it did quite well.
Lozenge
12-11-2008, 3:42 AM
It might be good, but Arny was the sole of the series so it's going be different without him. Why did he have to become governer? On the good side, California now have a terminator for a leader.
bRainville
12-11-2008, 8:59 AM
They had a Batman-without-Robin movie, actually; I heard it did quite well.
I was talking about things that are usually paired together. And Christian Bale made me think of Batman. These two new batman movies have no robin and I like them :]
I was talking pairs..
lolguy
12-11-2008, 9:04 AM
Bale is in it? It better be good.
I'm kind of hoping this will be a little better than the third. It was dissapointing. Not bad, but a little dissapointing.
Arnold was not the soul of the series, actual good sci-fi writing was. In the first two, anyway. Schwarzenegger, awesome as he is, isn't exactly what made the movies great. If that was the case, the third one would have been great.
Besides, he makes a cameo. Or so I've heard.
I was talking about things that are usually paired together. And Christian Bale made me think of Batman. These two new batman movies have no robin and I like them :]
I was talking pairs..
All of those things are good in their own right.
-Batman sure as hell doesn't need Robin.
-I dig peanut butter on a lot of things without accompanying jelly.
-Ham is fuckin' ballin' and has never needed cheese. Cheese is just like, a bonus.
Though your analogy is correct, in that this movie can still rock in its own right without Schwarzenegger.
Frobes
12-13-2008, 6:06 PM
I'm gonna bet money that Arnold makes a cameo, just to appease the fan boys. And it wouldn't even have to be an actual role, they could just show him being built or plans to build him or something cool like that. And I have to say this movie looks a lot like Transformers, but a billion times better. At least that one robot looked like a transformer. I'll stop talking now.
Matterialize
12-13-2008, 6:15 PM
Why are we calling it a transformer? Was it doing any transforming? It was definitely a large robot.
Movie looks pretty cool though, I can't wait to see how the story finally ends.
You know, the idea of robots existed before Transformers. Large ones, even.
OmnipotentWalrus
12-14-2008, 1:03 AM
The third one is total shit. They should have stopped ruining things after the second movie, idiots.
Houston
03-03-2009, 10:57 AM
The new trailer just came out last night and goddamn does it look ridiculously badass:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/03/02/must-watch-fantastic-new-terminator-salvation-trailer/
It may be a shit movie but, like Transformers, I have a feeling there's going to be enough badass action sequences to make sure we get our money's worth...
El Zilcho
03-03-2009, 11:48 AM
The only reason I was going to see this was because of Christian Bale.
After seeing that trailer, I am now officially excited for this.
Houston
05-05-2009, 9:32 PM
Wanna go to an early screening of Terminator Salvation? Click here to get the details:
http://43kix.com/wap/generic.php?item=1395&subRefId=913449
Houston, now that I think about it, given your posting history, if you were revealed to be a very elaborate adbot, I wouldn't be surprised.
mactroll
05-06-2009, 7:21 AM
As a huge fan of the entire terminator series I'm anxiously anticipating the release of the 3rd sequel. I am a bit skeptical however as in my experience typically franchises with more then one sequel tend to get more dull the more sequels they make, I hope it turns out good though.
Houston
05-06-2009, 10:49 AM
Houston, now that I think about it, given your posting history, if you were revealed to be a very elaborate adbot, I wouldn't be surprised.
Haha, if that were the case, I would be the most selfless-film-related adbot ever made...although if I was, would I even know?
Here's a 4 minute trailer, it looks so awesome! I can't wait to see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PEGG1KjcEc
nnutthowze
05-17-2009, 7:02 PM
This movie will no doubt be a box office smash, but is that all? Transformers was great for a few months, and then disappeared. I'm really hoping for a solid movie overall, and not just explosions and a mediocre plot.
It seems like a great plot, and I've always wanted a Terminator flick actually set in the future when John Connor is leading the resistance against SkyNet.
It looks phenomenal. I wasn't sure McG could pull this off, and to be honest I won't be certain he has until I see the finished product come this weekend, but from the looks of it he put together a solid fucking flick.
Metalhead636
05-18-2009, 8:59 PM
How did you see it mate?
In a movie theater, sitting on my ass.
Metalhead636
05-18-2009, 10:48 PM
But it doesn't come out for a few days...
Pre screening?
El Zilcho
05-18-2009, 11:25 PM
It's Rob. He's obviously a celebrity who gets special treatment. Him and Bale are like BFF's
Houston
05-18-2009, 11:46 PM
Yeah, I saw it today. All the 13 year olds ended the movie by clapping, while everyone with a brain just kinda looked around and said "That's it? That's the movie McG has been saying is going to blow our minds for months now?"
It was pretty bad, and believe me, I'm not the only one that thinks so. I got home and checked twitter and every film blogger and critic was saying the same damn thing. The sound was mediocre at best and could've been improved upon greatly. There were some pretty bad CGI shots and a completely unnecessary CG demolition of an entire building that I guarantee that no one will ever find a purpose for. Most of the script was ridiculously cheesy to the point that everyone was just saying their lines alone and then they were spliced together to make an incoherent film.
The acting was pretty much what you'd expect, nothing great but nothing horrible. Bale is a pretty decent actor with some great performances throughout his career but this one was definitely in the bottom tier. Yelchin was great even though they gave him some horrible lines. Oh, and there's a little mute black girl in a third of the movie that can hear terminators/hunter-killers/harvesters/boogie men/zombies/romulans about 3 seconds before they attack...I wish to god that what I typed was a joke, but she's really in there.
If you're going to watch it, make sure you watch it in a packed theater at a sold out show with a bunch of kids whose mom drove them, or else you'll actually start using your mind-grapes and realize the crap you're being fed for two hours. This actually makes me look forward to the train wreck that is Night at the Museum 2.
I'll give it a 2.5/5, for some cool action sequences and explosions and stuff, I guess. I can't wait to see Star Trek again.
stevetys1512
05-19-2009, 7:45 PM
It should be good...at least a lot better than number 3. Hopefully, it won't end up like Reign of Fire, which Christian Bale was also in, and suck dick.
Houston
05-19-2009, 11:10 PM
Here's my pretty much spoiler-free review if anyone cares to take a gander:
http://the-reel-truth.blogspot.com/2009/05/terminator-salvation-review.html
Keep in mind that it holds a 25% on RT...that's lower than Night at the Museum, Fast & Furious, Hannah Montana and Ghosts of Girlfriend's Past.
nnutthowze
05-20-2009, 4:30 PM
Seems like my fears are coming true..except the reviews are far worse than Transformers.
John Travolta
05-20-2009, 7:14 PM
Looks kind of gay.
If you guys are already disowning this film you need to keep in mind how cheesy and stupid the whole franchise is.
Terminator itself is a horribly cheesy action movie with Michael Biehn in it. Don't even get me started on the second. Fucking Robert Patrick is in it.
"Hasta la vista, baby."
With that said, I do love the first one. I just hope this is better than the horrible third.
Weirdusername
05-21-2009, 9:25 PM
I remember when my family went to Universal Studios there was a 3D/4D Terminator show. It was pretty entertaining. It had Arny and was about the war in the future.
junglebunny
05-21-2009, 11:18 PM
It was entertaining, but kind of gay at the same time. Everyone seemed like they were acting too hard. Special effects were cool, but didn't make up for the horrible plot and dialogue. I didn't not like it though. Not sure if I'd recommend it. End was pretty awesome.
Oh and the fact that they had FUCKING ARNOLD IN IT probably made up for everything else. I don't care if it was CG or not, that was fucking rad.
^ huge spoiler, I wouldn't read it if you haven't seen it yet. Best part of the movie.
I thought it was pretty fucking cool.
I'm with fiend guy. I don't know what the fuck you guys were expecting outside of badassness and action, which it delivered on in full.
My problems with the movie:
- Bad direction and poor shot choices. I was never certain that it was a horrible idea to get a shot of peoples faces from the other side of a fire until this film. There were a lot of scenes that made me exceedingly glad I'm not epileptic.
-Not enough Bale. They sold me this movie on John Connor, then made Marcus Wright the main character.
Other than that, great action flick. It's no T2, but it's still diggable action trash.
I had to walk out cuz my ears were acting up. (i need to go to the doctor about that, ears should not be ringing at age 21)
But what I saw looked about what allen said.
All I can say is LOL AT HELEN'S BALDCAP, that was like, really cheesy. the lines.
"so quiet, almost like they're waiting for us." DUN DUN. I want to see the rest, stupid fucking ears >: (
Casalen
05-23-2009, 1:09 AM
Just saw it. As far as ears go, that theater is way too loud. It's the loudest one in the building, according to someone who's been there more than me. I have better hearing than most, but that was pushing it.
Anyway, did I imagine it or did that Marcus character have a few lines where he was British? Bale sounded normal occasionally, which was better than I expected. My main issues were with the cheesy attempt at having a heartfelt story overlaid (yes, I know, it's Terminator, but the first two nailed screenwriting in most every respect) and occasionally ways of shooting that obscured the action (not because they wanted it obscured, but because it shouldn't have been moved like that). Overall, I'd say it had a decent amount of killer robots and one was huge. So the parts that sucked don't really matter.
I'm sure the screenplay was terrible, since most of it would have been descriptions of CGI action with the occasional shitty dialog thrown in. But clever writing wasn't what I went for.
CanadaEh
05-23-2009, 8:42 AM
Saw it last night. Explosions, people dying and shitty acting. Was OK nothing amazing.
timbot
05-23-2009, 9:35 AM
I just got back from watching it. I wasn't blown away, but I couldn't really complain.
I did think the plot was pretty lacking. There doesn't seem to be anything new to say, it was just a matter of putting onto the screen. The dialogue wasn't great either, but it's an action flick, what are you expecting?
The Muffin Man
05-24-2009, 11:28 AM
This movie was kind of a piece of shit. The main character was marcus and not Connor like Allen said. The opening scene could have been cut altogether because it simply wasn't important and it ruined the intro.
The action sequences are hard to see and the acting was complete shit. It seemed really cheesy and it ripped off of just about everything else ever. I could 100% see the entire movie being fallout 3 with a few minor edits. Granted, everything is just a recolored version of something else in the end.
Arthenon
05-24-2009, 12:41 PM
It was an interesting movie, I enjoyed it, but then I've never seen the other Terminators. Terminators would be scary as shit to fight, that's for sure. It was a bit of a disappointment to see Marcus as the main character instead of Connor, but it looked like they did good with what they had to work with. Storyline was, from what I've been told, a little less complex then the others, wasn't that hard to follow.
Hypocrite
05-24-2009, 12:55 PM
I went for an over-the-top action movie, and that's what I got. Worth checking out, at the very least.
Antisaint
05-25-2009, 9:31 PM
If you've seen the other Terminators, you know what to expect. If you go in hoping for anything other than a mindless action flick with a bit of plot thrown around, you're in for a lot of disappointment.
That said, the upside-down and first person camera angles were fucking retarded.
Metalhead636
05-25-2009, 9:46 PM
Just saw it. As far as ears go, that theater is way too loud. It's the loudest one in the building, according to someone who's been there more than me. I have better hearing than most, but that was pushing it.
I saw Night at the Museum last night and heard it 2 theaters away.
I want to see it, but reflecting on what you guys said, I kind of don't now.
Is it worth 10 bucks and 2 hours?
Casalen
05-25-2009, 10:00 PM
Sure. Assuming you have 10 bucks and need something to do for 2 hours. At first glance I'd still say it's in the top two available in theaters right now.
It was an interesting movie, I enjoyed it, but then I've never seen the other Terminators.
I'm sorry to ask this but how in the FUCK have you not scene even T2? LIke, I feel like you would have to go out of your way to avoid that movie. Especially growing up, I remember always watching on sunday as a kid, cuz it was the most violent thing ever to me and was always on.
Casalen
05-25-2009, 11:23 PM
Can we sticky zinmalson's post? I think it sums up this thread and the movie quite nicely.
Arthenon
05-26-2009, 5:16 AM
I'm sorry to ask this but how in the FUCK have you not scene even T2? LIke, I feel like you would have to go out of your way to avoid that movie. Especially growing up, I remember always watching on sunday as a kid, cuz it was the most violent thing ever to me and was always on.
Because I never really watched TV that much growing up and have never really been that interested in movies that much until really recently. I didn't exactly go out of my way to avoid it, I just never really looked too hard. I don't think I had even heard of Terminator until I was 11 or 12.
To me, John Connor is Edward Furlong, not Bale or the other guy in Terminator 3(though he didn't do a bad job). Forever and always.
But if you've never seen T2, what the hell man, thats a bit sad. That movie had a impact on me, let me tell you, sometimes I think its part of my influence on me wanting to get into film. Its the scene where the security guard is getting coffee, and the T1000 comes up from behind him out of the floor, taps him on the shoulder, and shoves a extended, pointy, finger through his mouth. I used to think, "holy fuck, how did they do that?"
So awesome, so awesome.
To me, John Connor is Edward Furlong, not Bale or the other guy in Terminator 3(though he didn't do a bad job). Forever and always.
Edward Furlong will always be John Connor to everyone except the snot-nosed kids growing up today. Nick Stahl (also The Yellow Bastard) was an okay one, though I wish Furlong didn't turn down that roll back in the day. Bale is cooler than Stahl though. So he at least wins second place.
El Zilcho
05-27-2009, 12:00 PM
Edward Furlong will always be John Connor to everyone except the snot-nosed kids growing up today. Nick Stahl (also The Yellow Bastard) was an okay one, though I wish Furlong didn't turn down that roll back in the day. Bale is cooler than Stahl though. So he at least wins second place.
He didn't turn down the role. He wasn't offered it to begin with because at the time he was dealing with serious drug and alcohol problems that was widely publicized.
I feel as if Furlong would've made the third movie pretty decent. Although not bad, I couldn't see Stahl as Connor at all.
Casalen
05-27-2009, 10:07 PM
That was my major issue with the third. Stahl made JC seem like someone I wouldn't want anywhere near the battlefield, let alone running it. He's not a bad actor... just a bad John Connor.
He didn't turn down the role. He wasn't offered it to begin with because at the time he was dealing with serious drug and alcohol problems that was widely publicized.
Sounds like he would've been awesome.
I hate that, fuck this industry, an actor is a fucking muse, the more damaged the better.
He didn't turn down the role. He wasn't offered it to begin with because at the time he was dealing with serious drug and alcohol problems that was widely publicized.
We're both half-right, really. Some sources say he turned it down, others say he wasn't asked. It's well known that he was dealing with drug and alcohol problems, and he didn't really work then, so I'm think he was offered and turned it down because of that shit.
They should've just written his problems into the movie and MADE HIM DO IT.
Casalen
05-29-2009, 3:31 PM
He probably doesn't even know if they offered the part or not.
Also, since I don't see it in this thread yet:
http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:y7718XvxO0N__M:http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2946/furlongmd4.jpg
That's the perfect resistance leader.
I remember hearing something about the drug and alcohol problems too. And if that is him in that picture, like a real one, well, he's always able to lose weight and whatnot.
In fact, aside from Furlong playing Connor, he's a great actor in general. The only other movie I can recall seeing him in is Pecker and he, of course, was great in that too.
KaOzWomBaT
06-07-2009, 7:00 AM
I just got back from seeing this film. I think that i agree more with the negative comments than the positive... It was entertaining but it was definetly missing something.
Also i would have rather seen more of John Conner rather than the marcus guy as thats the main reason i went to see this film.
spacemonkey187
06-10-2009, 12:29 PM
What a horrible film.
I really enjoyed this movie and I know it can't hold a candle to Terminator or T2 but I loved the action scenes, the fact that John Conner was still hacking the machines whilst listening to GNR and, of course, Arnie's 'cameo'.
The Terminator with a 'soul' Marcus was all kinds of badass as well. When he grabbed the axe and jumped onto the HK to dave Reese... excellent.
Really looking forward to a couple of sequels now, nice reboot.
hollywood_maggot
06-13-2009, 4:02 AM
Well, I have no idea what the critics were on about. Lack of emotion my arse. I thought it was great, particularly the Marcus storyline. Bale was better here than when he was Batman, but I guess still not great. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, and the ending kinda sucked, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Casalen
06-13-2009, 6:33 AM
At least he didn't do that stupid disguised voice with extra distortion the entire time. Just a lot of the time.
Cindy_Cummings
06-13-2009, 11:10 AM
It's not a bad film, but it's not a good film either.
Those who enjoy big explosion and lot's of noise would definitely not be disappointed. Those who enjoy a bit more depth and emotion in their films would probably want to see another film.
On average, it's not a bad film. It just doesn't hold up to it's predecessors.
Blueandgrey
06-13-2009, 12:17 PM
Who is Marcus? I don't know.
hollywood_maggot
06-13-2009, 9:28 PM
It's not a bad film, but it's not a good film either.
Those who enjoy big explosion and lot's of noise would definitely not be disappointed. Those who enjoy a bit more depth and emotion in their films would probably want to see another film.
On average, it's not a bad film. It just doesn't hold up to it's predecessors.
I thought it had quite alot of emotion for the type of film it was - particularly from Marcus.
spacemonkey187
06-14-2009, 8:24 AM
Who is Marcus? I don't know.
Marcus is a new Terminator Skynet builds to infiltrate the resistance and lead John Conner to a position where he can be killed. He doesn't know he's not human which makes him perfect for subterfuge.
Casalen
06-14-2009, 10:01 PM
It had a lot of emotion; too bad the majority of it was at a surface level, attempting to make the story seem more meaningful than it really was.
So I've thought about it a bit more, and I figured out some of my issues with the film. First, and most importantly, lack of focus. Second, the machines. The Terminators were too numerous/powerful. Shooting them any number of times seemed to have no effect... so why did the resistance members all carry rifles? And if the machines had that many high end robots, why are any humans still alive? Just didn't follow right and missed what makes them scary. It's not that they don't notice when you shoot them; it's that they keep coming no matter what. And we didn't get enough of the actual war going on, which was the entire draw of the film.
Anyway, my most important point- too much concentration on this guy who didn't know he was a machine and was really just like us. Which is exactly what I kept complaining about when Battlestar Galactica was on the air. Coincidence? I think not.
hollywood_maggot
06-15-2009, 4:08 AM
What? Who else were they going to concentrate on - boring as shit John Connor? No, they focus on the guy whos part machine, which makes sense as its an interesting question to raise. I mean, yeah, they could have gone into it better than they did, but its an action film.
Nah, the entire third act was kinda lacking in some respects, like...it was just another fight scene in a factory, with a terminator throwing them around instead of outright killing them. And they go back on their own molten steel concept.
Quadros
06-28-2009, 5:43 PM
I just watched this and holy fucking shit I'm so angry I want to drive 200 miles and punch my grandmother. The nice, non-racist one.
WARNING: The spoiler tags contain loads of serious spoilers so really don't scroll over them unless you've seen the film or really don't give a shit. Seriously. Also contains LOADS OF CAPS LOCKS RANTING!
1. So they created Marcus to infiltrate because all other attempts failed, right? But the other attempts (T1, T2, T3) all got their asses handed to them and DESTROYED, and of course never communicated their failures to Skynet. If They got sent back in time by Skynet after these events (IE when John Conner became a major major threat) HOW THE FUCK DID THEY KNOW THAT THEIR LATER ATTEMPTS (which they hadn't formulated at this point) HAD FAILED AND THAT THEY NEEDED TO MAKE THIS MOTHERFUCKER???
2. In T3 it was mentioned that a T100 would eventually infiltrate the resistance using John Conner's childhood affection for them, kill him then be reprogrammed and sent back in time to save him. WELL HE DIDN'T LOOK VERY AFFECTIONATE WHEN HE SAW THAT ONE, DID HE? What, will he go soft in old age? And will the memory of that one trying to kill him AND STABBING A FUCKING GIRDER THROUGH HIM disappear too?
3. So Marcus just happened to have the same blood type as John Conner, making the transplant possible? NICE SCIENCE HOLLYWOOD.
4. So molten metal didn't destroy the T100, only slowed him down? WORKED PRETTY FUCKING WELL IN T2, DUMBASSES. In fact it's the method THE T100 FUCKING CHOSE TO DO HIMSELF IN WITH. ARGH FOREVER.
5. Excuse me, but when Skynet masterfully trapped Conner and Reese, WHY THE FUCK DID IT NOT ARM THE TERMINATORS THAT WERE MEANT TO KILL THEM??? Is Skynet a Bond Villain now? Hell, it appears that the one sent to kill Reese comes armed with a fucking machine gun as standard, which means Skynet WENT OUT OF IT'S WAY TO MAKE IT'S OWN PLAN LESS LIKELY TO SUCCEED!
6. So they used a nuclear explosion to take down skynet? Triggered from a helicopter flying away perilously close to it? Didn't the helicopter Conner was flying CRASH IN ALMOST EXACTLY THAT POSITION AT THE FUCKING START? SO these fucktards can't even be historically consistent with THEIR OWN FUCKING FILM? And don't nuclear explosions send out an EMP wave? But fuck science and consistency, they have a franchise to rape!
I'm so angry I think I might puke blood.
hollywood_maggot
06-29-2009, 1:06 AM
So I'm guessing you got angry at the other films too (mainly T3) which didn't really pay that much attention to previous ones? Seriously, it's how Terminator works. And the whole unarmed T100...again, its Terminator, it's always like that.
But I didn't notice the helicopter one, and that is ridiculous, I'm fine with them going back on older movies because I approach Terminator as if it was only loosely based on previous ones, but they shouldn't go back on their own movie.
Casalen
06-29-2009, 2:41 AM
I don't think they should let Conner fly helicopters anymore. He clearly isn't sure how.
Quadros
06-29-2009, 9:33 AM
So I'm guessing you got angry at the other films too (mainly T3) which didn't really pay that much attention to previous ones? Seriously, it's how Terminator works. And the whole unarmed T100...again, its Terminator, it's always like that.
But I didn't notice the helicopter one, and that is ridiculous, I'm fine with them going back on older movies because I approach Terminator as if it was only loosely based on previous ones, but they shouldn't go back on their own movie.
Now to be fair, the reason the T100 wasn't armed previously is because you can't send futuristic technology back through time according to the first film unless they're clothed in flesh. Terminator's previous inconstancies have centred around the question of fate and whether it can truly be pre-determined. The newer one did it to rape the shit out of the franchise.
Allen
06-29-2009, 11:41 AM
I just watched T2 again, and realized that it was actually a brilliant flick. It was an action flick with a brain. Now I'm not so forgiving of this one for being mindless action trash.
Casalen
06-29-2009, 10:23 PM
A lot of people say the Terminator movies are pulp action, but a bit of study on one and two as far as screenwriting is concerned shows a lot of thought and yes, brilliance, on top of the action. It would be an easy plot to screw up, but they managed to not only keep it all workable but to hit a lot of points that resonate with audiences perfectly. Definitely worth a hard look for people who want to learn more about writing.
That was my major issue with the third. Stahl made JC seem like someone I wouldn't want anywhere near the battlefield, let alone running it. He's not a bad actor... just a bad John Connor.
Honestly though, Edward Furlong makes you think of someone who can lead the remains of humanity?
hollywood_maggot
06-30-2009, 12:08 AM
Now to be fair, the reason the T100 wasn't armed previously is because you can't send futuristic technology back through time according to the first film unless they're clothed in flesh. Terminator's previous inconstancies have centred around the question of fate and whether it can truly be pre-determined. The newer one did it to rape the shit out of the franchise.
That's true. Eh, I still liked the movie, although in retrospect the entire last third was bullshit. And I think it's better than T3...although, that movie was decent once you realised it was meant to be ridiculous.
Aramon
06-30-2009, 12:32 AM
I agree with the general consensus that T3 sucked dick. It didn't follow the original plot, and I recommend skipping it entirely. Watch 1, 2, then 4. I personally loved 4, even though it had more action and less brains. If you compare it to the first two, I would say it's on par.
Yeah, but if you're following the plot, T3 is necessary to get the fact that the future shifted and shit.
Aramon
06-30-2009, 1:20 AM
Eh, they could have thrown in something in T4, which they didn't, I'll grant you. Still though, T3 was my least favorite, they could have done a better job with it in my opinion. I was interested with the CGI they used to put in Arnie (Sort of) in the movie, since Arnie said he wouldn't be making any films while being the Governator.
I was talking to my neighbor the other day about this movie and he brought up an interesting observation. If you believe that Earths Judgement Day will happen like the end of T3 and T4 is just the first of many years to come in the future then you should look at the Matrix story as like, 200 years later after the machines have really risen up, enslaved humans, and put them back into the digital world.
Doesn't seem impossible
I agree with the general consensus that T3 sucked dick. It didn't follow the original plot, and I recommend skipping it entirely. Watch 1, 2, then 4. I personally loved 4, even though it had more action and less brains. If you compare it to the first two, I would say it's on par.
T3 was mediocre but 4 just completely raped the series.
Allen
07-01-2009, 12:59 AM
Actually, 4 did nothing to advance or destroy the plot of the series.
Casalen
07-01-2009, 1:03 AM
I LIKED IN THE MOVIE WHEN THINGS GO BOOM
Quadros
07-01-2009, 9:55 AM
Actually, 4 did nothing to advance or destroy the plot of the series.
Technically it did a bit. John Conner showed no emotional attachment at all to the T100, and it was this emotion that supposedly gets him killed eventually. Barely notable I know, but I've turned vengeful in my hate.
Allen
07-02-2009, 12:10 PM
That's true. But the whole movie is easily ignored, so it's not hurting the other ones.
And I'm pretty sure the Arnold Terminator was a T-800.
Quadros
07-03-2009, 4:10 AM
Nathe designs he scrolled through on the computer at the start were labled T100, The arnie terminator has always been known as the T100 with the human appearance and flesh and skin coating a pivotal part of it's design. The T800s were called 'primitive' designs by Conner and he knew their weaknesses, the Arniebot almost killed him.
In other news, I'm way too much of a terminator geek.
Allen
07-03-2009, 11:33 AM
Nathe designs he scrolled through on the computer at the start were labled T100, The arnie terminator has always been known as the T100 with the human appearance and flesh and skin coating a pivotal part of it's design. The T800s were called 'primitive' designs by Conner and he knew their weaknesses, the Arniebot almost killed him.
In other news, I'm way too much of a terminator geek.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_(character)#Character_nomenclature
Both kind of right. He's a 100-style model from the T-800 series.
Series 800 Model 101
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