Same-Sex Marriage

[Coconuts]

I believe that same-sex marriage should be allowed.

How would you feel if people wouldn't allow you to marry your love? A long time ago, interracial marriages were illegal. Back then, this was considerd normal. Today, that would be outrageous. It's the same issue now with gays and lesbians.

To all of those who say that god's will was to have only man and woman love, why would god create people that felt that way? Being all omnipotent and what not he would be able to not have people like that if he didn't like them.

Same-sex marriage doesn't destroy the meaning of marriage. Marriage is the union of two people in love. Nothing more, nothing less.

Same sex marriage: yay or nay?

EDIT: First thread, wahoo!

[Ninja 2.0]

Okay, first of all, its not the first thread. THAT WAS MINE! BACK OFF!!!

Secondly, of course same sex marriage should be allowed. There is no logical reason that it shouldn't be because marriage is about love.

[BKS]

Living in Massachusetts, one of the few states that allowed it, I don't see a problem with it.

If people are born gay, and they wanna marry someone else of the same gender, fine. Why they can't beats me. Religion stopping you? Big deal. Who are they to say who you can marry?

[BAN ME PLEASE]

those dam homo sexuals


I doubt this is going to have much of a debate unless you are a big Christian, but most people will say that they should be allowed.

Apparently in the Bible (somewhere I couldn't find the time to finish reading it, how was the ending?) It says that marriage is only sacred between a man and a woman. But that is bullshit. Maybe, if we were living in the Middle Ages where god and the pope ruled over everything I would be thinking differently. But this is current times. If two people really love each other that much that they want to go through marriage, everyone should let them.

Just because two guys are getting married doesn't mean its the end of the world. Two guys can love each other, and it's not that un common. I can't even see why people would think it was unholy.(Again, unless their super-Christians)

People think that two men marrying or having sex is unholy, yet these two things have become so...regular? In everyday life that people forget that we invented the meaning of marriage and the "faithful" way to have sex. I mean, the only reason sex was even made was to reproduce, but people now adays are saying that sex has to be special, and that a baby is actually the worst outcome of sex. And marriage was invented by us for us, basically an official way for two people to declare the love to each other. And if two guys want to do that, let them.

[DamnDude]

Well, people have to understand that getting married is not only religious, there are privilidges married people get that gays are being denied, and honestly, I think I can say withouth doubt that 90% of gays wanting to get married dont give a shit about the religious aspect about it.

Everyone should have the same rights, and even if being gay is a choice and not genetical (not saying it is), it doesnt mean shit! Its their own choice, and choices shouldnt fuck with peoples right (such as tax benefits and more).

[Ninja 2.0]

Apparently in the Bible (somewhere I couldn't find the time to finish reading it, how was the ending?) It says that marriage is only sacred between a man and a woman. But that is bullshit.

True Shit. I've also heard that the bible says that slaves should obey their masters.
So... apparently slavery's okay, but gay marriage isn't.

[Richard_Simmons]

I believe gays should be married. I dont see what the problem is. If the love each other and they just happen to be two dudes, thats fine. I just dont want to hear them talk about their sex life. It weirds me out a little.

[wizerdyboy99]

we need to do what they were gonna do in that south park episode

instead of being married they'll be...but buddies that way gay people can get married without undignifying the word marriage

[BKS]

we need to do what they were gonna do in that south park episode

instead of being married they'll be...but buddies that way gay people can get married without undignifying the word marriage


You're shitting me right?

The South Park episode was making fun of the fact that Gays couldn't get married.

Nice try at humor, but try to make sure what you're saying is worth posting.




*By the way, it's "Butt Buddies"

[slurba]

True Shit. I've also heard that the bible says that slaves should obey their masters.
So... apparently slavery's okay, but gay marriage isn't.

I could write a novel on how much intolerant violence and control there is in the Bible.

I would have to agree with Same-sex marriage being fine. First off, the common arguement is that it's against someone's religion. Well guess what? Working on Sundays is against the same religion, as well as lying. Are we going to ban those aspects of society too? The next arguement is also religious: in order to get married people should be able to have kids.Obviously this is flawed and stupid reasoning, which is why marriage is now called a union. There's also the idiotic reasoning of "Gays are unnatural". I just saw an article of 2 gay flamingos adopting a baby. Gays should have the rights just like other human beings.

[Werty]

I don't understand how people can find it disgusting. I mean, what happens in your own home stays there, right? Who gives a fuck what they're doing? It's ignorant to even think about not allowing people to marry just because of their sexual preferences. I'd honestly like to see a solid argument with why they shouldn't be wed.

[Werty]

Double post again. These forums are getting screwy on me.

[Richo88]

Come on people this is the debate forum. Stop AGREEING and Start DEBATING.

Because noone else has I will go against the debate. I say HELL NO to same sex marriages, why? Cuz I want this debate to go somewhere, none of the others that have been made so far have and this one has already made two pages so I figured what the hell I might as well use this one as my starting point.

So here we go. Same-sex marriage is simply wrong. Why you ask? Prove it you ask? Well, you have brought it up yourselves, in the bible it says that man shall not lie with man correct? Marriage is formally done infront of the pastor of your church (or a church if you are not 'with' a church) so it is in effect against the teachings of the church to name them man and man? Husband and husband? Wife and wife?

Definition of Marriage - Historically, a relationship between a male, a female and their families whose primary purpose is to raise offspring.

Sure call it a relationship, call one another 'partners' but keep the word 'marriage' and the terms husband and wife to that which it truly belongs to, the bond between a male and a female.


Now the debate should hopefully begin :D

[DamnDude]

Richo, stop being idiotic and think that marriage is religious, its not. It may be for some, but thats just formal.

Marriage is way older than Christianity, and if you really wanna go with the "Its Christian and the bible says its wrong!", then keep the fucking legal statues out of it too, because if I remember correctly, there are over 1000 legal statues regarding marriage that gays are being discriminated against, one of the major; Tax Benefits.

Even if gays shouldnt be allowed to marry in churches, they should be allowed to marry under the state, there is absolutely NOTHING religious about that, and I say it again:

Most of the gay couples trying to marry dont give a shit about the religious aspect of it, its a question of human rights, not religious rights.

EDIT:

And its stupid ask people to debate against a point they believe in for the sake of debating.

[I am homosexual]

I'm gay, and I want to get married. Sure, I'm not going to have kids, but I can assure you that there are more straight married couples who don't have kids. Besides, there are also tons of *straight* people who can't even take care of their goddamn kids.

And don't try to pull "sanctity of marriage". How many times has Britney Spears been married? :P

[wizerdyboy99]

You're shitting me right?

The South Park episode was making fun of the fact that Gays couldn't get married.

Nice try at humor, but try to make sure what you're saying is worth posting.




*By the way, it's "Butt Buddies"

i know what it was making fun of im not stupid and you watched it to so shut up

[Richo88]

Richo, stop being idiotic and think that marriage is religious, its not. It may be for some, but thats just formal.


You just contradicted yourself you realise.

then keep the fucking legal statues out of it too, because if I remember correctly, there are over 1000 legal statues regarding marriage that gays are being discriminated against, one of the major; Tax Benefits.

There are no legal STATUES that 'gays' (what would be the preferred term here? Gay? Homosexual?) are being discriminated against. I do believe they are called 'Statutes' (and yes there may be some, however, I do not know how many or which ones), so how about if you are going to bring up a point you at least get that point correct, otherwise you look like a fool and that makes me laugh.

EDIT:

And its stupid ask people to debate against a point they believe in for the sake of debating.

Hmm, lets think back to days we were in school (or for those that are still there, think back to yesterday), anyway, did you ever debate at school? You do not choose which side of the argument you are on. You are given the argument and then you are told whether you are 'for' or 'against' said argument. Whether you believe it or not. Then you argue, simple.

I am merely trying to get this debate moving along, rather then have everyone agreeing with oneanother and noone bringing up any VALID POINTS towards the debate. As this is a DEBATE, not a discussion. It is in the debate zone afterall.

Also, you do not learn anything by just agreeing with the person before you. If you read what I posted I wouldn't have had to explain this all out to you yet again.

As such I am probably gonna get TO'd because I don't think anything here is really contributing to the debate, merely pointing out that you should debate rather then discuss in the debate zone.

And don't try to pull "sanctity of marriage". How many times has Britney Spears been married? :P

hahaha true.

Now if it is ok with you all I will sit back and wait for the next reply (which will probably be a flame).

[I am homosexual]

I just think that heteros have been screwing up marriage for so long, it's not like gays can make it any worse. The divorce rate is astoundingly high, a good percentage of kids are born out of wedlock, usually to single mothers (good-bye, marriage-for-the-kids argument) who have to work, and there are gold diggers, floozies, and Anna Nicole Smiths who marry old guys to get tons of money.

Not to have kids.

Gays can't screw up marriage any more.

[Richo88]

I just think that heteros have been screwing up marriage for so long, it's not like gays can make it any worse. The divorce rate is astoundingly high, a good percentage of kids are born out of wedlock, usually to single mothers (good-bye, marriage-for-the-kids argument) who have to work, and there are gold diggers, floozies, and Anna Nicole Smiths who marry old guys to get tons of money.

Not to have kids.

Gays can't screw up marriage any more.


See this probably would not have been said if I did not originally go against the topic, very good points.

So Christova a present for making good points and helping the debate along:

:thup: :hf:


Anyway, rebuttal? I don't have one, your points were good. I shall post again when I have something to rebut with(or if someone flames me haha).

[Tuxxyy]

OK I'm not reading any else's reply because I'm overopinionated. Gay marriage is illegal because insurance companies don't want to shell out money to your fck-buddy because you died or lost your car or something. Then there's that whole custody thing -- if you get divorced and your kid has to visit daddy #2 on alternate weekends, who's supposed to make chocolate for him on his birthday? The easter bunny? Clarance Darrow? I mean seriously, now you're just not making any sense, senator! Please put down the gun!

Let that be a lesson to all of you.

[teh_kyle00]

See, this type of debate shows why I'm trying to ditch Catholicism. I remember going to a Catholic school 2-3 years ago, and my teacher told the whole class from a TEXT BOOK "Gayness is a horrible sin that will be punishable by God. Masturbation is the work of the devil, and abortions will have you burning in hell." But that's not for this topic.

Crazy Christians that believe everything without question are the main opposition to gay marriages. Like I saw in an above post, divorce rates are extremely high, so it's not like if they get married and get a divorce it will be the end of the freaking world. Sex before marriage (another deadly sin) also lead to more problems, and guess what? Gays can't make babies by themselves. :aaa: Marriages should be allowed for gays without question. To bad there are devoted Christians who refuse to let them do so freely.

[wizerdy boy 88]

i dont think it should be legal just cause thats how i feel about it

same way i think global warming is bogus or believe in God its just how i feel about it

[SWiTCH]

Marriage isn't natural. That's why the divorce rate is so high.
Now that it's socially acceptable to get a divorce everyone is doing so because they're unhappy in their marriage.
Humans weren't meant to have one partner their entire life. No one is guaranteed to love each other forever. I don't see why you would make a promise that you aren't sure you can keep. I'm not saying you should cheat on your partner, I'm just saying you should realize when it's time to end a relationship. People spend so much time and effort trying to keep their marriage together. Why bother? You've been in many relationships that eventually ended. What was so special about this one?
Granted there are cases where people are happy together for their whole life, and I can also see the benefits of being bound together when you have a child.
But all of these things can happen without an ancient religious tradition telling you when to love each other.

So, basically what I'm saying is that gays should be happy to not be included in this ridiculous practice.

[Ninja 2.0]

Anyway, rebuttal? I don't have one, your points were good. I shall post again when I have something to rebut with(or if someone flames me haha).

Okay, let me take a stab at it. Sorry its kind of haphazard because its so late...

Come on people this is the debate forum. Stop AGREEING and Start DEBATING.
This is a debate zone, yes. But that doesn't mean that we must change our views. This is as much a survey as it is a debate.

So here we go. Same-sex marriage is simply wrong. Why you ask? Prove it you ask? Well, you have brought it up yourselves, in the bible it says that man shall not lie with man correct? Marriage is formally done infront of the pastor of your church (or a church if you are not 'with' a church) so it is in effect against the teachings of the church to name them man and man? Husband and husband? Wife and wife?
Okay. When a man and a woman get married they receive benefits. Tax cuts, wage boosts, time off for children etc.
A homosexual couple are barred from receiving any of these benefits due to gender.
How is that okay?

Sure call it a relationship, call one another 'partners' but keep the word 'marriage' and the terms husband and wife to that which it truly belongs to, the bond between a male and a female. [/QUOTE]
Who is to decide that?
Isn't it most important to have love?

Hmm, lets think back to days we were in school (or for those that are still there, think back to yesterday), anyway, did you ever debate at school? You do not choose which side of the argument you are on. You are given the argument and then you are told whether you are 'for' or 'against' said argument. Whether you believe it or not. Then you argue, simple.
CONGRATULATIONS! YOU'VE WON RETARD OF THE DAY!
In school you do that to build your ability to argue and debate. In competitions you do that to test your ability to argue and debate. Here is where you USE that ability.
Do you think they change their positions JUST so debate in Presidential Elections is more fun? (aside for political policies)


Also, you do not learn anything by just agreeing with the person before you. If you read what I posted I wouldn't have had to explain this all out to you yet again.

As such I am probably gonna get TO'd because I don't think anything here is really contributing to the debate, merely pointing out that you should debate rather then discuss in the debate zone.
Discussing... Debating. HOLY CRAP ITS LIKE THEY'RE SIMILAR!!!
Who cares if we're discussing. If you have any VALID points than bring them to the table. But if your just going to bring the same invalid prejuidice bullshit that normally constitutes as the "con" arguement for gay marriage, then fuck off.


And Finally

Definition of Marriage - Historically, a relationship between a male, a female and their families whose primary purpose is to raise offspring.
Yes. And "Modern Warfare" once meant using swords and arrows.
Things change over time. If things didn't we would still have slavery, be oppressing Native Americans, barring women may rights.
But things HAVE changed.

So why is it that you don't want them to marry?

Is it because you want to bar homosexuals many rights and perks (sorry I have no better word..) of being married?
Is it because you want to impose your own religious beliefs on others?
Is it because you believe that a man cannot love a man and a woman cannot love a woman?


You are a Christian, are you not?
And isn't the main teaching of Jesus Christ one of love and compassion?
All you are showing is ignorant bullshit that says that love is not real between 2 men or 2 woman.
How is that anything close to being Christian?

[Richo88]

Masturbation is the work of the devil

If it is though, he is either one very lonely guy OR a genius. However, I am leaning towards the latter.

To bad there are devoted Christians who refuse to let them do so freely.

That would be our fault for allowing our countries to be so controlled by religious beliefs. America is a prime example of a country run by religion, you can deny it all you want but it is true. Stem cell research? Nah its unethical, who cares if it saves peoples lives, God wants them to die, not live!

My point? If we weren't supposed to use em, 'God' would not have created them so that they could be used in such a way. I love using religion against religion it is fun.

Anyway, that is going off topic. I am off topic this whole time! I said I wasn't gonna post til I could rebut! DAMNIT!

i dont think it should be legal just cause thats how i feel about it

same way i think global warming is bogus or believe in God its just how i feel about it

*claps* Honesty, nice.

[Ninja 2.0]

*claps* Honesty, nice.

Uhhh... Are you serious or not..?
I just can't tell.

[teh_kyle00]

Uhhh... Are you serious or not..?
I just can't tell.

You never can tell unless you're actually seeing the person or they say so in some way.

[frickendevil]

If a couple love each other, regardless of sexuality, why do they have to get married?

Almost every form I have ever filled in for the government (refers to Australia) has listed not as "husband" or "wife" and most the time not even "spouse" but rather "Partner" or "significant other" to cover for religions and beliefs that don't encompass marriage.

Why should marriage have to be how a couple shows how much they love each other? Really its a pretty poor excuse saying "we have to get married because we love each other". Bah. It is not the end-all of a relationship.

[SWiTCH]

Exactly.

Marriage is just a security blanket for women, and a compulsory sex ticket for men.
Haha just kidding, sort of.

[Spoons]

To be honest I don't really care what homosexual people do.

Like frickendevil said, they don't have to get married, they just want to because they feel they have the right to.

[SWiTCH]

Maybe they should think about being part of a religion that doesn't allow them to participate in it's most basic practices.

[teh_kyle00]

Exactly.

Marriage is just a security blanket for women, and a compulsory sex ticket for men.
Haha just kidding, sort of.

Now that is something I just have to admit is true. Most men want sex, I won't say all though. But keep in mind that it can be a security blanket for men too! They can buy a shit load of insurance for their wives so if they suddenly die, *BLAM* new millionaire.

[SWiTCH]

Same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed, because it serves as a beautiful reminder of how bigoted and archaic Christianity is.
The constitution says that people should be allowed to practice whatever beliefs they want no matter how dogmatic and narrow-minded they are.

ANNNNNDD, instead of changing Christianity to fit the beliefs of a newer more intelligent generation, people ought to realize that their beliefs no longer fit Christianity and it should be tossed to the curb.

nnngh.

[G.i.g.g.l.e]

If they like it up the butt, then okay.

I am entirely indifferent to it. Unless they have like an annoying lisp or something gay like that.

[Tyler_Legrand]

If a couple love each other, regardless of sexuality, why do they have to get married?

Having kids?

[Spoons]

I don't like gay people if they're flamboyant...

You know what I'm talking about... It just annoys me so much.

Other than that they can do whatever they want.

[beermonster256]

A union of 2 people of the same sex doesn't mean they are any more or less capable of taking care of a baby. In this day and age, to say that 2 people can't be married is pretty much in the same bracket as racism. And besides, even if gay marriage is against the bible, not all people get married for religious reasons, which is why you can have civil marriages. How about the idea that people get married because they're in love, not because they want some religion to recognise the fact that they live in the same house?

[Mirrorman]

I bet I sound like a real dick, but I think that it shouldn't be allowed.
I just really, I mean really dislike homosexuals. In my opinion the whole thing is wrong, a brain malfunction or something. Leave the marriage to straight people. And send gay people
with their aids and assfucking somewhere else. It's just how I feel about it.

[Instructio4]

I bet I sound like a real dick, but I think that it shouldn't be allowed.
I just really, I mean really dislike homosexuals. In my opinion the whole thing is wrong, a brain malfunction or something. Leave the marriage to straight people. And send gay people
with their aids and assfucking somewhere else. It's just how I feel about it.

Of course you realise the AIDS and homosexuality don't actually have anything to do with eich other? As the virus came from tribes eating monkeys with the simian version of the virus?
As to your brain malfunction theory if you cant back it up, or at least articulate it then it dosn't carry much weight.
I don't understand why people have such strong anti-gay marraige views (i understand that Richo88 is trying to catylise the debate), in the no relationship affects many people other than the two in the relationship, and thats the whole point of people being together. This is religion aside obviously, doctorine gives people the ability to violently disagree with just about anything, usually without ever thinking about it.

[Richo88]

(i understand that Richo88 is trying to catylise the debate),

Thank you! At least someone understands that it wasn't hate fueled!

Uhhh... Are you serious or not..?
I just can't tell.

Twas serious, he was the first person to object to the topic, other then my comments to help the debate along.

This is a debate zone, yes. But that doesn't mean that we must change our views. This is as much a survey as it is a debate.

Keep your views, just debate haha

Okay. When a man and a woman get married they receive benefits. Tax cuts, wage boosts, time off for children etc.
A homosexual couple are barred from receiving any of these benefits due to gender.
How is that okay?

It isn't, plain and simple. I didn't say they were okay :P

Who is to decide that?
Isn't it most important to have love?

I believe it is the law that would decide such a thing.

Here is where you USE that ability.

With everyone agreeing with oneanother we couldn't USE this ability. Arn't you glad that I disagreed though? It gave you reason to post your comment after all.

Discussing... Debating. HOLY CRAP ITS LIKE THEY'RE SIMILAR!!!


Similar yes. The same? No.

But if your just going to bring the same invalid prejuidice bullshit that normally constitutes as the "con" arguement for gay marriage, then fuck off.

But that is pretty much the only evidence for the con argument haha I cannot think nor find anything else.

So why is it that you don't want them to marry?

Honestly? Doesn't bother me in one bit.

Is it because you want to bar homosexuals many rights and perks (sorry I have no better word..) of being married?

Not at all, the government does a fine job of this already :P

Is it because you want to impose your own religious beliefs on others?


Religious beliefs? Umm sure why not -> http://www.venganza.org/

Is it because you believe that a man cannot love a man and a woman cannot love a woman?

If there can be seen signs of 'love' between animals, love between humans and animals. Love between parents and children, between brothers and sisters (incestual or not [looking at you here frick :P]) between men and women then it would be extremely naive of me think it cannot possibly exist between those of the same sex.

You are a Christian, are you not?


Someone asked me this same question on another debate, I am impartial. I went to church about 3 times around 10 years ago, if that makes me a christian in your mind then so be it.

And isn't the main teaching of Jesus Christ one of love and compassion?
All you are showing is ignorant bullshit that says that love is not real between 2 men or 2 woman.
How is that anything close to being Christian?

That is exactly what Christianity has been doing for the past hundreds and thousands of years. It is exactly what many religions have been doing for just as long. So I guess it is pretty close?

If a couple love each other, regardless of sexuality, why do they have to get married?

Almost every form I have ever filled in for the government (refers to Australia) has listed not as "husband" or "wife" and most the time not even "spouse" but rather "Partner" or "significant other" to cover for religions and beliefs that don't encompass marriage.

Why should marriage have to be how a couple shows how much they love each other? Really its a pretty poor excuse saying "we have to get married because we love each other". Bah. It is not the end-all of a relationship.

Well put :)

CONGRATULATIONS! YOU'VE WON RETARD OF THE DAY!


Ohhh yeah! Freakin' Sweet!

I shall post again when I have something to rebut with(or if someone flames me haha).

I guess it was the flaming first that brought me back, I still have no rebuttal. Christova I take my hat off to you (if I wore a hat that is), good points, I got nothing to say against it :-)

I chose the harder side of this debate it would seem, didn't really work well, but I got flamed alot and after all, deep down, we all want to be flamed.

In ending, it doesn't really bother me at all whether gays get married or not :) to each their own I say, except if it is with animals, I draw the line here. I don't think anything I have said here will get me flamed, in my closing here I have shown honestly where I stand in the debate haha

[Sepultura]

i think it shouldnt be allowed.

morals/

[xkittenxsocksx]

i think it shouldnt be allowed.

morals/

Morals also state that grammar is a necessity. Ooops I guess you might as well turn gay.

[DamnDude]

You just contradicted yourself you realise.


I just poorly wrote that sentence, hopefully you understand what I mean.


There are no legal STATUES that 'gays' (what would be the preferred term here? Gay? Homosexual?) are being discriminated against. I do believe they are called 'Statutes' (and yes there may be some, however, I do not know how many or which ones), so how about if you are going to bring up a point you at least get that point correct, otherwise you look like a fool and that makes me laugh.


Im Icelandic, jerk, so I misspelled a word, OH MY GOOOD!!! My fucking point is falling apart because of a misspelled word!!!

EDIT:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibilities_of_marriages_in_the_Un ited_States

Before you start bitching its wikipedia, it cites its sources in that article.

[Con-Con]

I think it should be allowed because if two people are in love they deserve to get Married and shouldn't be judged on wheather there gay or not

[spaj]

I still don't think it should be called marriage. Marriage IS a holy ceremony between a man and a woman. That said, I still don't like the word civil partnership anyway.

I'm all for it, of course, but if we go into semantics, technically, it's not marriage.

[Ninja 2.0]

Here here.
It doesn't effect anybody else!
So why not let them be happy?

[DanielH]

I feel quite strongly about this. I think it absolutely should be allowed. It makes no sense to stop two people who love each other from marrying. Somone I knew once said:
"They can't marry unless it's true love. Gay people can't love each other like normal people so they should not marry. Homos are freaks. They should be shot like the sickos they are."

I was half a sentence away from punching him in the gob. Now honestly, I thought he was joking at first, but I know he's sincere because he threatened to beat my friend up countless times (she's bisexual).

[I am homosexual]

i think it shouldnt be allowed.

morals/

I think it should be allowed.

/better morals

[The Darri]

Here here.
It doesn't effect anybody else!
So why not let them be happy?

I agree, If it wont hurt you then why the hell should you care?

[The Ripper]

of course gays should get marriage.
peapole dont choose who thet fall inlove in.
(sorry my english sucks ass)

[Audioslave]

You are all fucking morons. This thread is completely devoid of intelligent thought. I hate you all. If I ever see a thread of this quality again, I'm going to tear you all a new one.