Explosm Rap Battle Discussion [Archive]

CnGy

07-17-2009, 9:00 AM

Butchering it is why it would be fun!

I'm totally down to have part of it be self-written though, because that would be just as funny.

Beastie boys for sure, I'm talking REAL rap. Of course, there's really no point in doing a rap song that's, well, just pop music disguised as rap.

exetra

07-17-2009, 9:07 AM

Tweek sprung a leak and he's crampin my style,
nigga think he got balls but he lacks the guile.
If yo wanna duel, duke it out here's the trick:
Take ten paces and suck my dick.

CnGy

07-17-2009, 9:39 AM

If you want to make a rap here's a word of advice
don't take this the wrong way i'm trying to be nice
we will not post lyrics, as it would place a damper
on the legit legitimacy of this most cool endeavor

Glowstick

07-17-2009, 9:51 AM

It's official, this thing is between exetra and CnGy. Exetra is winning.

CnGy

07-17-2009, 10:09 AM

It's official, this thing is between exetra and CnGy. Exetra is winning.

I WAS TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION

If you guys want I can make a rhyme practice thread in spame.

Keep the discussion here and the rhyming here: http://forums.explosm.net/showthread.php?p=1251940#post1251940

Quadros

07-17-2009, 10:55 AM

This might be the best idea ever.

BKS

07-17-2009, 11:21 AM

Would we all have the same beat? I think that should be structured, and we build our rhyme off of it.

SourChicken

07-17-2009, 11:27 AM

CnGy thinks that he knows all
And if you wanna be in the game you gotta play ball
If we copied other raps this game would be boring
He should take a step back and check my Crimson Glory

Benjaman

07-17-2009, 12:18 PM

This will be awesome. I'll help run it, if whoever is running it needs help.

CnGy

07-17-2009, 12:23 PM

I DEMAND both original and unoriginal material to be a part of this contest.

It is key, because they are two very different things.

I figure we could have different categories: old school, hip-hop, etc

I also think it's a good idea that all contestants, for their first entry, will do an acapella, just a verse or two.

This will help in doing the matchup process, and also will help avoid no shows.

SourChicken

07-17-2009, 12:52 PM

I'll help run it better than Ben.

Dartful_Dawger

07-17-2009, 1:01 PM

I"m in.
as a participant, and as a runner or whatever if you need someone.
But mainly as a participant.

RaxoZellet

07-17-2009, 1:20 PM

Hey I'm in as judge if you'll let me or something along those lines.

CnGy

07-17-2009, 1:39 PM

Well you guys know each other better than I know you most likely. So everyone can help run it in the sense that if you know someone on here who would do it who doesn't know, or just reminding people in general who have already said they would.

I'll participate for fun but I would get a lot more enjoyment out of being a judge.

Raxo you want to? Alrighty. To be fair tho, you probably shouldn't be a judge and a participant.

How many judges do we need? I'd say 3, to break a tie etc.

RaxoZellet

07-17-2009, 1:51 PM

Yeah you're right. I'll be a judge then.

Benjaman

07-17-2009, 3:41 PM

Me, Raxo. One more?

CnGy

07-17-2009, 3:46 PM

Me, Raxo. One more?

and me, or if you guys think i would be a bad judge Intransit?

Don't make me decide.

Benjaman

07-17-2009, 3:52 PM

You're technically running this, bro. You make the decision.

CnGy

07-17-2009, 4:35 PM

You're technically running this, bro. You make the decision.

Well I think InTransit would make a better judge. So, if IT wants it?

IT? Your thoughts?

Also please give me suggestions otherwise I'm making all of you do Sabotage.

Also exetra, I need a beat.

paraskeet

07-17-2009, 5:30 PM

Could I be a judge?
Also I think it should be written raps and not already made ones. Everyone would get the same beat, and each week would be a new one.

Could we also make it to where the people rapping have to stick one line we give them into the rap?

CnGy

07-17-2009, 5:46 PM

Could I be a judge?
Also I think it should be written raps and not already made ones. Everyone would get the same beat, and each week would be a new one.

No one is interested in doing a written one in addittion? :'(

Could we also make it to where the people rapping have to stick one line we give them into the rap?

Lol sure.

SourChicken

07-17-2009, 10:10 PM

I'm not participating by the way.

ChizzyChase

07-17-2009, 11:05 PM

hells yes.. but you don't really need to have a beat. just judge on lyrics and shit

exetra

07-17-2009, 11:10 PM

Could we also make it to where the people rapping have to stick one line we give them into the rap?

Excellent idea!

I would make beats but I don't want to be at any sort of advantage :\

I mean, you've gotta have a beat.

SourChicken

07-17-2009, 11:25 PM

They should at least some sort of metronome in their ear or something so they don't get way off.
Unless you want a more "organic" feeling.

EDIT: Didn't want to post boost.

Would anyone else think a beatbox competition would be cool too, or just me?

Scrotemeal

07-17-2009, 11:41 PM

THere should be at least one already existing song.

BKS

07-18-2009, 12:25 AM

I'm in.

Stealth Prawn

07-18-2009, 2:38 AM

I'm in if we do Chili Peppers kind of rap, like from Blood Sugar Sex Magik and before.

TiredOne

07-18-2009, 5:10 AM

I'm a terrible rapper but count me in anyways.

exetra

07-18-2009, 7:24 AM

I made an absolutely epic beat. (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?4hnmj3lyynj)

SourChicken

07-18-2009, 11:37 AM

I'm currently writing lyrics to that beat. That beat is epic.

Anyways, if we do have rounds, then they should be themed. Like "talk about how your city is the best" or "talk about dicks."

Or, it might just be fun to kinda do a collaboration, like someone makes a beat, we all record individual parts, and then put them together to get Wu Tang shit.

CnGy

07-18-2009, 12:41 PM

Definitely yes for the themes, I'm thinking

Round One- "Let's get shit started" using exetra's first beat, as it sounds like a GETTING PUMPED type of thing. Think Ruff Ryder's anthem but with more lyrics obviously.

Round Two- Beastie Boys or some other awesome thing that people would want to do. doing an unoriginal song is important, shows how the contestant interprets the genre in general, understanding of rhythym. Feel free to alter it/speed it up/slow it down.

People should start posting ideas for this, with links to the instrumentals.

Round Three- Freestyle- For this you would NOT be allowed to write the lyrics before hand.

Round Four- Finale?

HELP ME I AM NOT GOOD AT DOING THIS.

I think we should definitely do the required line as well but I'm not sure for what rounds that would work best.

All contestants do of course have to do the aforementioned acapella verse before they will be considered entered.

SourChicken

07-18-2009, 12:58 PM

Round three could be kinda suspect
It would have to be based on the honor rule, and hoping that people don't cheat.

CnGy

07-18-2009, 1:03 PM

Round three could be kinda suspect
It would have to be based on the honor rule, and hoping that people don't cheat.

Entries for that round would be video, you wear a blind fold.

Probably no fold, I guess, but a video would definitely let you know if they're reading it or not.

SourChicken

07-18-2009, 1:05 PM

Good point.
There should also be a diss round or something, where people are paired up and have to diss one another.
That's probably already be suggested.

CnGy

07-18-2009, 1:20 PM

Diss round fo sho. I guess if no one wants to do the beastie boys we can have that round turn into that.

Haha, or the diss round could be you have to turn the lyrics into a diss of that person.

Something. Diss is definitely gonna be in it.

I will wait to start this until there are more people though. What do we have now like 5 or 6 people that want to do it?

SourChicken

07-18-2009, 1:33 PM

PARTICIPANTS
Exetra
Tired One
BKS
ChizzyChase
Dawger
Quadros?
Tranny?

Questions marks because I'm not sure.

JUDGES
Raxo
Ben
CnGy or Tranny

CnGy

07-18-2009, 1:55 PM

Ah well that makes 8 including you.

I think that's enough, TRANNY YOU NEED TO COME BACK HERE AND TELL US WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

*PMs*

Benjaman

07-18-2009, 2:21 PM

Well, it's not like this is a sign up thread. We would make a solid plan, and then one of us makes a sign up thread and that would attract more people to join.

Also, why not just have CnGy AND Tranny be judges? Is that really problematic? That way if someone can't judge we still have 3 scores.

Dartful_Dawger

07-18-2009, 2:40 PM

round two theme seems kinda dumb.
maybe remix a classic rap song, but not just rap one.

SourChicken

07-18-2009, 3:01 PM

I didn't want to participate. Mostly because I have shit equipment and can't freestyle.

I'd be willing to guest judge :D

EDIT: Also, instead of giving scores for the participants, maybe some criticism and feedback, and then they either get voted off American Idol style, or the judges converse through PMs and eliminate the ones who sucked.

Just spitballing.

CnGy

07-18-2009, 4:16 PM

I'm open to anything guys I just want to make sure it is not stupid so people will want to do it.

I agree it seems as if no one wants to do an already written song.

So nix that I guess :'(

We'll make that round the diss round.

How many rounds should there be?

Judges will of course converse through PMs.

Scores and reviews will be given.

Score break down I'm thinking: Skill level (Meter, annunciation, etc), Style (do you put a new spin on it or do you sound like your average bloke), and Entertainment value?

RaxoZellet

07-18-2009, 5:01 PM

I feel like a written song is a good thing to put in. A good way to showcase different styles and interpretations. And this would be the easy round. we need an easy round.

But A diss round sounds awesome.

Maybe the finale can be a self written song based on a given theme. Like previously mentioned "Best city" or "Life with Women" or something like that.

SourChicken

07-18-2009, 5:14 PM

How would the diss round be done?
The most obvious way would be for judges to pair participants up, but it might be interesting to see who the competitors want to diss for themselves.

BKS

07-18-2009, 5:15 PM

This sounds like that White Rapper show they had on MTV/VH1.

I think we should have a themed rap, a dis round, a freestyle round, and a group rap (4 on 4 or something)

How would the diss round be done?
The most obvious way would be for judges to pair participants up, but it might be interesting to see who the competitors want to diss for themselves.

1 vs All. Dis everyone

SourChicken

07-18-2009, 5:20 PM

The thing with the group rap would be that there are only 8 entries, and so it would have to be round one.

paraskeet

07-18-2009, 8:13 PM

For the round 1, it should be directed towards everyone, then for the diss round maybe assign a competitor to each participant.

BKS

07-19-2009, 12:34 AM

Are we doing elimination or points based off of place?

IE: Best rap in round one gets X points, 2nd best gets Y, third gets Z.

Benjaman

07-19-2009, 1:37 AM

I don't know. I'd prefer points off of place, but CnGy never seems to be on MSN so we can't discuss anything.

Tweek

07-19-2009, 1:48 AM

Isn't that what this thread is for?

Benjaman

07-19-2009, 1:59 AM

I dunno, I just feel more comfortable just kind of bouncing ideas off of him, but whatever. I'd just think of an example round and then run it by him, but I guess I can use the thread.

Okay, so a number of participants would be given a song or a beat. They have a certain length of time to record and perform it, and then they submit it and whatnot. The judges score them by skill, how well they performed; style, how into the part they were, and then entertainment value, for the rest. Points for all the judges are added up, and the top scorer(s) get 5 points for 1st place, 2 highest would get 4, 3rd would be 3, 4th would be 2, and everyone else would get 1 point.

Now, there's still unanswered questions:

We need topics. Dissing rounds, rounds that you have to put a certain line into your rap, already written songs, freestyle, and etc are all good, but we can still brainstorm more ideas.

How long should rounds be?

Is giving 1st place 5 points, 2nd 4, 3rd 3 and etc good? Maybe a different scoring system?

also, GO WAP BATTOL

exetra

07-19-2009, 6:35 AM

You guys are making this way too fucking complicated.

It just needs to be a diss tournament because that's what a rap battle is, essentially.

Tweek

07-19-2009, 6:37 AM

Yeah I'm with exetra, I was even thinking up rhymes and shit to totally verbally own everyone.

Benjaman

07-19-2009, 2:03 PM

How about:

Okay, so a number of participants would be entered in the contest. They'd have to be an even number, so we can pair them up with someone each round. Each participant has a certain length of time to record and perform a diss rap to their partner, and then they submit it and their partner diss raps back. Now, we could have the judges score them by skill and then rank and etc until the end, or we can have a tourney. The winning disser would go on in a bracket and etc.

Personally, I think if we have alot of people (12+) participating, we should do a tourney. If not, we'd just do a point scaling system.

So, if you guys want to do just a rap dissing competition, I'll make the sign up thread to see how many people are going to be in this.

Metalhead636

07-19-2009, 2:41 PM

I'm up for it

Jeftris

07-19-2009, 3:12 PM

I'll PROBABLY do it, don't count me in fully yet, I'll just see what the final rules turn out to be.

Benjaman

07-19-2009, 3:19 PM

Well, how about you give me input. Do you guys want a DISSING RAP COMPETITION (with other elements), or a RAP COMPETITION (with a little dissing).

SourChicken

07-19-2009, 4:06 PM

Rap Battles are almost always one guy dissing another guy via hip hop. I say a dissing rap competition (with other elements) would be the easiest, and then the judges decide who wins the battle, then the winner moves on, tournament-style.

Jeftris

07-19-2009, 4:11 PM

Yeah, I agree with Sourchicken, dissing rap competition would be way better.

CnGy

07-19-2009, 5:34 PM

I want a battle, but I think the first round should seriously be freestyle acapella or whatever, not a versus, so we can match people up semi-evenly in the next (first real) battle round.

Benjaman

07-19-2009, 5:47 PM

That's a good idea. Do you guys want me to write up the sign up thread?

puce

07-19-2009, 5:55 PM

I was wondering, for the freestyle with no former lyrics, you could do it in Ventrilo.

RaxoZellet

07-19-2009, 6:00 PM

Write that shit Benjaman.

Benjaman

07-19-2009, 6:19 PM

I was wondering, for the freestyle with no former lyrics, you could do it in Ventrilo.

Yeah, this is a good idea, but I know people like Exetra don't have a good connection to the server and it may be detrimental. If we did that, what we'd do is have one person come in, they set up if they need, then we give them a topic. Everyone's topic would be different. They'd have a minute to prepare, then they'd perform it. Does that sound good for the first round only?

Of course, we can always decide that after sign ups.

CnGy

07-19-2009, 6:34 PM

Yay signups!

TY for doing it, I'm lazy. I had this idea and did not realize that I would be expected to be like, on top of things. Haha.

Looks good.

SourChicken

07-19-2009, 9:35 PM

I'm pretty fucking excited to see this go down.

EDIT:
By the way, I would discourage the use of rhyming dictionaries. Most of the words are really stupid. They're good for a jumping off point if you're really stuck, but if you want to use words that sound similar but don't rhyme exactly then you're out of luck.

Allen

07-20-2009, 4:17 AM

Shit. If we're going to do this completely on dissing, I really need to figure out a lot more words that rhyme with "faggot".

Rap Battles are almost always one guy dissing another guy via hip hop.

Things we learned from 8-Mile

CnGy

07-20-2009, 9:21 AM

Tone and rhythm are far more important than rhyming.

InnerDemon

07-29-2009, 3:27 PM

May I suggest the contestants post a written version of their lyrics? Some might have a way too fast flow and it may be hard to comprehend.

The Muffin Man

07-29-2009, 5:27 PM

Dartful_Dawger

07-29-2009, 6:01 PM

How the fuck is it a rap battle if you dont write your own shit?

I think a video posted or just text and then a reply back from someone else and so on and so forth is the best method of going about this.

Real rap battles are all about thinking on your feet and using words as tools.

That's freestyle rap battles. And while yes, that's the most well known, we have the handicap of being on the internet and in different timezones with other obligations we need to tend to.

Rappers battle with written shit also, mix tapes and diss tracks and whatnot. So shut up. it's fine.

Raxo

07-29-2009, 6:18 PM

How the fuck is it a rap battle if you dont write your own shit?

I think a video posted or just text and then a reply back from someone else and so on and so forth is the best method of going about this.

Real rap battles are all about thinking on your feet and using words as tools.

All these guys are writing their own shit so I don't know what your talking about.

It's still a battle using rap hence the name rap battle. It's just not a fresstyle due to circumstances

We don't want it to be a text battle, that's gay.

InnerDemon

07-30-2009, 6:22 AM

How the fuck is it a rap battle if you dont write your own shit?

I think a video posted or just text and then a reply back from someone else and so on and so forth is the best method of going about this.

Real rap battles are all about thinking on your feet and using words as tools.

No, no, you have misunderstood me. Of course they write their own shit, as in they compose it, they create it from their awesome intellects or whatever. What I was suggesting was them to post a written version of the lyrics previously created, just in case someone went "what the fuck did he say at 2:30?!" (given that not everybody's a native English speaker and stuff).

exetra

07-30-2009, 8:34 AM

Is this round still the optional round? Just checking.

CnGy

07-30-2009, 8:48 AM

I don wanna go first i'm scared

Raxo

07-30-2009, 10:39 AM

1st round is the brackets we made.

Hey CnGy someone's going to have to have to break the ice.

Benjaman

07-30-2009, 12:59 PM

Is this round still the optional round? Just checking.
Nah, it's a normal round. Going to extend it so I can send out PMs.

BKS

07-30-2009, 10:39 PM

Mines up

SourChicken

07-30-2009, 10:57 PM

Fuuuuuuuck I'm excited

InnerDemon

07-31-2009, 7:34 AM

Now you're embarassed and trying to hide
While I'm giving out free mustache rides

:roffle:

Also, I had no idea BKS's voice was so raucous.

BKS

07-31-2009, 9:15 AM

:roffle:

Also, I had no idea BKS's voice was so raucous.

I can make my voice anything you want babeh. If i make it to the next round, I'm thinking of doing it in a crunk voice

CnGy

07-31-2009, 2:11 PM

I demand you go first tweek.

Dartful_Dawger

07-31-2009, 3:55 PM

hahaha, that was funny. BKS.
I had no idea your voice was so deep.

Tweek

07-31-2009, 8:51 PM

I demand you go first tweek.
Your will be done, my lord.

BKS

07-31-2009, 10:53 PM

hahaha, that was funny. BKS.
I had no idea your voice was so deep.

It normally isn't, I just have a pretty wide vocal range

Raxo

08-01-2009, 5:31 PM

I loved it BKS. It was stylish.

Now hopefully Mustache responds.

BKS

08-01-2009, 5:33 PM

I loved it BKS. It was stylish.

Now hopefully Mustache responds.

That makes 2 of us hoping. I don't wanna look like an idiot

Benjaman

08-01-2009, 5:39 PM

Hopefully SOMEONE responds.

Metalhead636

08-01-2009, 5:40 PM

I have an unusually high voice for someone my age. It is quite embarrassing. May I use a voice deepening thing?

Dartful_Dawger

08-01-2009, 6:37 PM

Hopefully SOMEONE responds.

Dood, mine will be up by Monday night. promise.

Allen

08-01-2009, 8:02 PM

I have a sore throat like a motherfucker, so mine will sound scratchy, if I can get around to doing it.

Mustache

08-01-2009, 8:16 PM

Yeah so I'm 2 hours from where I live but I should be back tomorrow night. So it will be on time is what I'm saying. Plus right now I don't have a microphone and I'm poaching my internet from the pleasant elderly couple next door.

tl;dr I'm working on it.

Benjaman

08-01-2009, 8:20 PM

Also, I don't want to but if I only get like 2 submissions I'll extend more, so don't sacrifice quality for being an hour or two late.

Tweek

08-01-2009, 9:24 PM

You can't rush art man.
I know cngy is waiting on me so I'll try and do it and have it up by tomorrow or something.

exetra

08-02-2009, 2:18 AM

Gonna go record mine tonight, watch this space.

Mustache

08-02-2009, 8:22 AM

That was awesome exetra. Very professional.

exetra

08-02-2009, 8:47 AM

Hah, it was okay I guess.

BKS

08-02-2009, 9:43 AM

I like I like. Can't wait to see his response.

I don't really like mine though. I was going to take a different approach, but I'll do that if i make it to the next round.

Jeftris

08-02-2009, 11:52 AM

Holy shit exetra that was really fucking cool.

Metalhead636

08-02-2009, 4:08 PM

Well, fuck it. I think I lose. Gotta get my new mic set up soon.

Mustache

08-02-2009, 7:40 PM

Uploading at the moment..

BKS

08-02-2009, 11:08 PM

Haha damn, I like. Are we doing responses or no?

Win or lose, I'll still make a response rap.

Metalhead636

08-04-2009, 1:19 AM

The lyrics are almost rapped up, set to the beat and all, I just got to record it....on a broken mic. :indiff:

SourChicken

08-07-2009, 1:01 AM

My only complaint about this entire thing is everyone's mishaps with microphones and sickness and whatnot. Besides that, this is probably the best competition to ever grace the forums.

BKS

08-09-2009, 4:07 PM

My only complaint about this entire thing is everyone's mishaps with microphones and sickness and whatnot. Besides that, this is probably the best competition to ever grace the forums.

Sickness is no excuse. I did mine late night because the next day I was getting my wisdom teeth out.

SourChicken

08-10-2009, 6:29 PM

Well that's just cuz you're HARDCORE
By the way mine is going to be up in like five minutes.
Sorry for the long ass wait.

BKS

08-13-2009, 12:57 AM

We're waiting for?

Benjaman

08-13-2009, 1:02 AM

CnGy, I thought?

astronaughty

08-13-2009, 4:01 AM

:wail: I would have been good at this.

BKS

08-15-2009, 9:13 AM

CNGY still hasn't posted? 10 days later

Benjaman

08-15-2009, 2:40 PM

Well, Round 1 is over then, sorry CnGy. I'll put up my judging then Raxo and Tranny can do theirs.

BKS

08-15-2009, 3:45 PM

Just for kicks.

http://agunslingerrots.tumblr.com/post/163732858/shaving-the-mustache-a-non-judged-return-rap
I can't take that standing up so I spit it as I sit
Caught me in the act, calling bullshit
Your rap's a show stoper
And you say you're prim and proper
Hasta la vista baby get to the choppa

Im no Schwartzenegger
On my knees I'm a begger
I bleed as I pleade I just can't pull it together

I'll suck your dick for coke
Don't laugh it aint a joke
Once blew a dog for a cig to smoke
You say you're prim and proper
All suave and posh
The way you're looking down on me, oh my gosh

You say you don't swear and I act like I care
I gotta grow some balls and some real facial hair
Your prim, your proper, your every girls dream
Your lyrics so tight, like my ass at fourteen

But guess what man, thats where the fun ends
You be the wife to my Ross, bitch get outta Friends
My voice was deep and it gave ya the bends
You thought I'd play nice but it was all pretends

Now I've got something nifty that I think is pretty sweet
I robbed it like a thrifty and stole the presidential seat
I wont veto your logic, that bills gonna pass
Then I'll take my new balls and ram em up your ass

I've got some new ground rules that I want you to follow
Always say please and thank me when you swallow
You do as I say and what I say you do
Now shut the fuck up and suck me till ya blue

You're a prim and proper rapper
You're a prim and proper rapper
You're my prim and proper rapper
Tell me what ya bitch says when my nuts slap her