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Lance
02-10-2008, 10:00 AM
I'm guessing Roy got replaced by Ike.

BUT LUCARIO REPLACING METWO? UNACCEPTABLE.

Richard_Simmons
02-10-2008, 10:09 AM
BUT LUCARIO REPLACING METWO? UNACCEPTABLE.

I don't think it really matters. It seems Lucario has more of a fighting persona than Mewtwo.

nbastreetballer
02-10-2008, 1:33 PM
I'm guessing Roy got replaced by Ike.

BUT LUCARIO REPLACING METWO? UNACCEPTABLE.

all mewtwo was good for was teleporting, his jumps and up+B were crazy awesome but thats about it, in my opinion

Hats of!
02-10-2008, 2:29 PM
Mewtwo was hell of a good with lightsaber.

Mr. Crow
02-10-2008, 3:34 PM
Lucario sucks. He shouldn't even be in the game. I think that Jigglypuff, Pikachu, and the Pokemon Trainer are plenty enough to represent the Pokemon games, not to mention the Pokeball item.

Lance
02-10-2008, 3:45 PM
Guess they figured they needed four representatives since Pokemon is a huge franchise. I believe it's the second most successful.

Hope they put in Meowth in the next one though. I dun care if we have too many first gen Pokemon. First Gen had the best, Second Gen was pretty good, Third Gen was downright horrible with few exceptions, Fourth Gen saved the franchise from certain doom but overall it's in between Second and Third in amounts of awesomeness.

I just want Meowth because he's my favorite Pokemon and is Pikachu's unestablished rival. The Pokemon with the second most screentime in the anime, somewhere in the Top 10 of most popular, not to mention Meowth is a cat and Pikachu is a rat = Instant Rivalry.

Dexide
02-10-2008, 3:52 PM
Instead of just removing Pichu because he wasn't that great a character and was a clone, they should have individualized him! They could have replaced Pichu with Raichu, and made him have a completely new moveset, or Plusle and Minun in a team like the Ice Climbers.

I agree Lance, Meowth would kick ass, I would also like to see Marill in the game. But I'm still not over the non-inclusion of Mewtwo, Bomberman, and Megaman, so I'm not going to hope for anything in the next one just yet.

Lag
02-10-2008, 4:11 PM
The only other Pokemon I want to see put in would be for the random option they should have put a Ditto icon, and have it do the little transform animation at the start of each match.

Dexide
02-10-2008, 4:19 PM
The only other Pokemon I want to see put in would be for the random option they should have put a Ditto icon, and have it do the little transform animation at the start of each match.

I like that idea, but Ditto transforms into Pokemon. Most characters are not Pokemon, save three, or four if you count the trainer. But Sakurai did say that "anything was possible" in this game, so I guess it could have worked.

Lag
02-10-2008, 4:32 PM
I like that idea, but Ditto transforms into Pokemon. Most characters are not Pokemon, save three, or four if you count the trainer. But Sakurai did say that "anything was possible" in this game, so I guess it could have worked.

Oh yea?!

Ditto is able to rearrange its cellular structure into anything at will, but it usually changes into another Pokémon nearby.

Damn straight.

Dexide
02-10-2008, 4:41 PM
Oh yea?!



Damn straight.

That was a test, congratulations Lag, you passed!

Haha, now that you say that I remember an episode where Ditto turns into Ash.

Lance
02-10-2008, 4:46 PM
It also turned into a cannon.

Urser
02-10-2008, 6:11 PM
Meowth would be a great addition. But I am against having too many first gen Pokemon as playables. It was the best one, but there have been so many other Pokemon since.

In the next Smash Bros game, I'd like to see more representation from the other generations. Here's a list of Pokemon I can see getting in as playables:

First Generation: Psyduck, Mewtwo, Dragonite, Meowth, Chansey
Second Generation: Togepi, Marill, Scizor, Sneasel
Third Generation: Gardevoir, Medicham, Plusle + Minun Duo, Deoxys
Fourth Generation: Pachirisu, Lopunny, Garchomp, Weavile

(I obviously only expect one or two to get in. Not all of them.)

HOWEVER, the best and most innovative Pokemon would be...

Eevee!

Why? Because it could change into one of it's 7 evolutions at the start of a match. Once it gets KO'd, you can choose which evolution you want to come back as. But you can't change during the match.

Sounds like a fairly balanced character to me. You could also just play as normal Eevee if you want.

Lag
02-10-2008, 6:29 PM
Why not change the game to "Super Pokemon Smash Pokemon Brothers: starring Pokemon and someone else."

Lance
02-10-2008, 6:59 PM
Another possible 2nd Gen Pokemon would be Tyranitar. I mean he is easily the most powerful non-legendary Pokemon. According to the Pokedex, he can crush mountains with his fists.

Edit: Found some entries on Serebii. I'd say he's more frightening than some Legendaries.

Gold: "It's body can't be harmed by any kind of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies."

Silver: "Extremely strong, it can change the landscape. It has an insolent nature that makes it not care about others.

Crystal: "In just one of it's mighty hands, it has the power to make the ground shake and mountains crumble."

Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald: "Tyranitar is so overwhelmingly powerful, it can bring down a whole mountain to make it's nest. This Pokemon wanders about in mountains seeking new opponents to fight"

Diamond/Pearl: "If it rampages, it knocks down mountains and bruises rivers. Maps must be redrawn afterwards"

Urser
02-10-2008, 7:07 PM
So let's get off the topic of Pokemon and decide what new things we'd like to see in the next Smash Bros.

Returning Veterans:
Mewtwo

Cut Characters:
Wolf

New Movesets:
Falco (Use Wolf's moveset or something similar)
Lucas (Make it more original from Ness' moveset)
Toon Link (Use weapons from WindWaker and Phantom Hourglass)
Ganondorf (Use his sword)
Luigi (Use Poltergust)

Newcomers:
Ridley (Metroid)
Geno (Mario)
Krystal (Starfox)
Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario (Mario)
King K Rool (Donkey Kong)
Palutena (Kid Icarus)
Claus (MOTHER)
Waluigi (Mario)
Megaman (Megaman)
Fronk (WarioWare)
Eevee (Pokemon)
Gardevoir (Pokemon)
Knuckles (Sonic)
Mecaiah (Fire Emblem)
Kamek (Yoshi)
Tingle (Zelda)
Vaati (Zelda)
Black Shadow (F-Zero)
Samurai Goroh (F-Zero)

Alternate Costumes:
Wolf (Fox)
Female Pokemon Trainer (Pokemon Trainer)
Boshi (Yoshi)
Raichu (Pikachu)
Pikmin and Louie (Pikmin and Olimar)
Roy (Marth)

Dexide
02-10-2008, 7:13 PM
Another possible 2nd Gen Pokemon would be Tyranitar. I mean he is easily the most powerful non-legendary Pokemon. According to the Pokedex, he can crush mountains with his fists.

Tyranitar is pretty cool, he'd make a good addition to the game.

Also, mabye instead of color swaps the Pokemon trainer could switch generations, like he would still have the third evolution fire, second evolution grass, and first evolution water, but it'd be for each generation, that would make it:
Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard
Tododile/Bayleef/Typhlosion
Mudkip/Grovyle/Blaizikin
Piplup/Grotle/Infernape

That actually sounds pretty cool to me, anyone else agree?

Also, Urser, Bomberman as a newcomer would be a nice addition to the list as well. Also, Chunky Kong would be cool, he can't be a DK clone though, really tough but pretty slow, that'd be cool, mabye just because after Diddy, Chunky was my favorite Kong.

Lance
02-10-2008, 7:14 PM
That's a pretty good list Urser.

But I disagree on a few things. I personally think Wolf should be kept and add Leon as another newcomer for Starfox (which means no Krystal).

And it could also use some Little Mac action.

Gray Fox as well wouldn't hurt.

Lance
02-10-2008, 7:28 PM
HOLY FUCK. It looks like things like Giant Brawl also affect Final Smashes.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=UgZBPq_C3S0

Urser
02-10-2008, 7:40 PM
Also, mabye instead of color swaps the Pokemon trainer could switch generations, like he would still have the third evolution fire, second evolution grass, and first evolution water, but it'd be for each generation, that would make it:
Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard
Tododile/Bayleef/Typhlosion
Mudkip/Grovyle/Blaizikin
Piplup/Grotle/Infernape

That actually sounds pretty cool to me, anyone else agree?

I was thinking that too, but it just wouldn't work. I mean, some are on all fours while some stand up on their hind legs. They'd also need different hitboxes.

The biggest problem is that Charizard can fly and glide, while I doubt Infernape can.

Richard_Simmons
02-10-2008, 8:48 PM
HOLY FUCK. It looks like things like Giant Brawl also affect Final Smashes.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=UgZBPq_C3S0

Holy Shit, imagine that with Samus's Final Smash.

Lance
02-10-2008, 8:58 PM
Holy Shit, imagine that with Samus's Final Smash.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=cvGHzonoWfQ

Lance
02-11-2008, 5:31 AM
It looks like Sakurai is giving us some "Quick Techniques" today.

Gotta say eating while reclining looks kinda useless.

Hats of!
02-11-2008, 1:39 PM
I steal from Urser and make my own list.

Returning Veterans:
Mewtwo (I love this guy, well, when I was a kid that will say).

Cut Characters:
Lucario (seriously, I didn't even know who this guy was, and he's not an all-star).

New Movesets:
Give Ganondorf is sword for heavens sake!
Toon Link should get some changes, but not major. Make him luigi-fied.
Give Wolf, Fox and Falco diffirent FS.

Newcomers:
Balloon Fighter (a jumpy character in style of Kirby + Mario).
Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario (basicly, cloneish of Bowser and Mario).
Ridley (yeah, he needs to be awsome and wild).
Skull Kid (just imagine how great he can be with teleport and such).
Dark Samus (Samus but with more wild fighting, like more fists and such).

40 characters is enough.

Lance
02-11-2008, 4:54 PM
You have Skull Kid and Dark Samus but no King K. Rool, Black Shadow, or Little Mac?

I object!

Also, I think Waluigi would be awesome for SSB4. The Mario Bros vs the Wario Bros in a fighting game will probably shake the very fabric of time.

Richard_Simmons
02-11-2008, 5:18 PM
Yeah, but what would Walugi do? He seems kinda useless. I like the ideas for Skull Kid, Dark Samus, and Bowser Jr., though.

Lance
02-11-2008, 6:11 PM
Thorn Whip, Wall-Uigi, Curb Stomp, possibly some innovative moves.

And have his finger pistol poses and crotch chop as taunts.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f283/omnipitence/image5fe.gif

Plus he's awesome according to this vid.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5zupbuS1yck

And he's too good for an Assist Trophie imho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsauAh98gS4

I mean look (at 1:17), he killed Ike almost all by himself from 0%.

SLjimbolian
02-12-2008, 12:11 AM
If there was another Smash game, damnit, make Little Mac a playable character! Sure he's an assist trophy in Brawl, but he's got so much potential as a playable character.

Urser
02-12-2008, 12:25 AM
I was totally against Waluigi at first. But then I realised that the Mario spin-off games (Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, etc.) had no representation. So Waluigi could derive his moveset from those games. He'd be great.

Awsumerthanyou
02-12-2008, 3:11 PM
:band:

Returning Veterans:
Mewtwo!!!

Cut Characters:
Lucario, provided that Mewtwo is in.
Unless they somehow un-clone him, Falco.
Ditto for Toon Link.

New Movesets:
Mario's F.L.U.D.D. should inflict damage.
Luigi should have a Poltergust. And his FS should actually be based on something from a game.
Peach's FS sucks. It should be like an army of Toads or something.
Donkey Kong's FS is horrible. He deserves better.
Give Ganondorf his damn sword!!!
Toon Link's moves should be drawn more from Windwaker/Phantom hourglass.
Zero Suit Samus needs more variety than the direction in which she points her gun/whip.
The gyromite discs shouldn't be R.O.B.'s only move that isn't pulled out of Sakurai's ass.
Fox's FS should be the Arwing.
Pokemon Trainer should be able to choose which Pokemon is at which stage in evolution. In other words, you could also play Charmander-Ivysaur-Blastoise, or Bulbasaur-Wartortle-Charizard, etc.
Ness and Lucas should be a little more different, and Ness' FS should be either completely different, or come from the sides or bottom of the screen.
I know that Nintendo would never give Snake guns, but they should at least make his land mine look like it did originally. I was considering maining him until I saw that.
Sonic's FS should still be Super Sonic, but with a small probability of it being Darkspines Sonic. (Like how R.O.B. has a small probability of shooting an insta-K.O. laser instead of energy cones)

Newcomers:
Megaman
Bomberman
Ridley
Ryu
Dante (Snake was in M-Rated games too!)
Samurai Goroh
Midna and Wolf Link

Alternate Costumes:
I think that instead of just having color switches, some characters should have completely different costumes, like Wario. And some could look like different characters who would otherwise be clones.

Mario: Dr. Mario
Peach: Daisy (short hair and all)
Donkey Kong: Donkey Kong Jr. Just give him a leotard.
Yoshi: Boshi
Link: Toon Link.
Samus: Dark Samus
Olimar: That other guy from Pikmin 2.
Fox: I know it's a bit of a stretch, but Falco.
Pikachu: Pichu, Raichu.
Pokemon Trainer: Female Pokemon trainer. Gary.
Jigglypuff: Igglybuff, Wigglytuff (if I got their names right)
Marth: Roy
Sonic: Shadow.

Ridley: Meta-Ridley.
Dante: Nero.

Mr. Crow
02-12-2008, 3:21 PM
Gyarados should be a character. Tell me that wouldn't be awesome.

Awsumerthanyou
02-12-2008, 3:32 PM
Gyarados should be a character. Tell me that wouldn't be awesome.
He's too fucking big. Maybe he could be a Subspace Emmissary (The Emmissary Strikes Back!) Boss. But not a playable character.

EDIT: Oh and if he was a SSE2 boss, after you beat him he could come back as Red Gyarados!

Mr. Crow
02-12-2008, 7:08 PM
He's too fucking big. Maybe he could be a Subspace Emmissary (The Emmissary Strikes Back!) Boss. But not a playable character.

EDIT: Oh and if he was a SSE2 boss, after you beat him he could come back as Red Gyarados!

Nah, they could make him a bit smaller, and he'd be curled up. Pikachu is supposed to be small enough to hang off of a person's shoulder, but he's like the size of a dog. The sizes aren't all that consistent.

Lag
02-12-2008, 7:09 PM
Wasn't Captain Olimar 2 inches tall?

Lance
02-12-2008, 8:41 PM
According to the game manual, he's the size of a quarter.

Lance
02-13-2008, 1:03 AM
Yoshi's special moves today. Looks like they gave his regular B a little buffing and Up B has been major buffed with ridiculous range.

fionnrokz
02-13-2008, 2:39 AM
Aggghhh I cant wait for this game.

They didnt really change the movesets for veterans.

Lance
02-13-2008, 10:24 AM
THE RETURN OF GIGALYPUFF.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=4vrNYkdytuQ

Giga Bowser is no match.

Richard_Simmons
02-13-2008, 11:58 AM
THE RETURN OF GIGALYPUFF.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=4vrNYkdytuQ

Giga Bowser is no match.

I want to be afraid, but it just looks too stupid. :indiff:

Lance
02-13-2008, 1:41 PM
How about Omegalypuff?

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=AkSK2EzKZYM

I also decided to print screen a comparison shot.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/PlasmaKing549/GIGALYPUFF.jpg

Awsumerthanyou
02-13-2008, 3:11 PM
I wonder what would happen if one were to use the Gigalypuff glitch in Giant mode and then use another final smash!

EDIT: If you haven't already heard it, Meta Knight's Victory Theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOCOzU1nUPI is yet another reason why he's so fucking badass.

Urser
02-13-2008, 11:14 PM
Giga Bowser is no match for Omegalypuff.

Lance
02-14-2008, 12:26 AM
Today's Update: More shit we already knew. In this case, the Green Hill Zone.

Nothing of much interest besides this.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage27/stage27_080214f.jpg

fionnrokz
02-14-2008, 4:57 AM
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage27/stage27_080214f.jpg

They should all be assist trophies :(

Is there any sonic assist trophies??

Lance
02-14-2008, 7:24 AM
They should all be assist trophies :(

Is there any sonic assist trophies??

Shadow is one, he uses Chaos Control.

fionnrokz
02-14-2008, 10:18 AM
Yes, but shadow shud have been a costume change for sonic

Shadowpriest
02-14-2008, 2:52 PM
Yes, but shadow shud have been a costume change for sonic

Totally man, he's just like Sonic, except he's cooler.

Black and Red = Best color conbination. Ever.

Far
02-14-2008, 3:28 PM
Shadow is a douche bag. It's just sega trying to capitalize on the X-TREME trend.

Richard_Simmons
02-14-2008, 3:37 PM
Shadow is a douche bag. It's just sega trying to capitalize on the X-TREME trend.
I think this says it perfectly.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050314.jpg

Lance
02-14-2008, 3:57 PM
I liked Shadow at first, especially when he sacrificed himself at the end of SA2, but it just got really retarded when it was apparent he was alive (not sure about you, but I think I would die if I was flying hundreds of miles per hour through earth's atmosphere)

Lance
02-14-2008, 8:31 PM
Looks like people are exploiting shit with characters. First off:

Character Weights (it looks like their are separate categories for vertical and horizontal flying distance.)

Vertical (this is what % it took to KO each character with Mario's U-tilt)

130% Jigglypuff
135% Squirtle
138% Mr. Game & Watch
142% Fox/Kirby
142% Metaknight
144% Sheik
145% Zelda/Zero Suit Samus
146% Pikachu
147% Pikmin & Olimar
148% Peach
149% Falco
151% Ice Climbers
154% Marth/Toon Link
155% Diddy Kong/Lucas
156% Ness
157% Luigi
158% Pit/Sonic
158% Mario
160% Lucario
162% Ivysaur
164% Samus
165% Robot
166% Yoshi
167% Wolf/Wario
168% Charizard
169% Link
172% Ike/Ganondorf
173% Captain Falcon
175% Bowser
180% Donkey Kong
181% Snake
185% King Dedede

Horizontal (this is the % it took to KO a person with the front of Mario's Down Smash)

115% Jigglypuff
117% Fox/Squirtle
119% Mr. Game & Watch
122% Kirby
121% Pikachu/Metaknight
122% Falco
123% Zero Suit Samus/Sheik
125% Pikmin & Olimar
127% Zelda
128% Marth
130% Ice Climbers
131% Peach
131% Diddy Kong
132% Toon Link
132% Lucas
133% Pit/Ness/Sonic
136% Mario/Luigi
136% Wolf
138% Ivysaur/Lucario
139% Captain Falcon
140% Link
141% Ike
143% Yoshi/Ganondorf/Wario/Robot
145% Samus/Charizard
146% King Dedede
147% Snake
150% Donkey Kong
151% Bowser

Fixed Montages (The montage earlier has been edited after he further experimented with some of the characters)

Peach

Balanced as hell. Float Canceling is still around, but her ground moves have gotten a bit of a nerf. Her ^tilt is fantastic now, and her SideB seems usable in combat! Turnip are not as good, as they disappear if they hit shields. Downsmash is the biggest nerf in this game.
Edit 1: Float canceling is not in the game. He bair and Uair have no lag, but if you miss the Fair, you're in trouble. Found more use in her ground game with Fsmash and dtilt. +.5
Power: 7
Combo ability: 7
Speed: 4
Knockback: 5
Weight: 6
Recovery: 8
Rating: 7/10

DK

Improved. Fast, still strong. The probelm is, people stay alive for a lot longer, so donkey kong's Uair won't be comboing to death. Just don't play with Final Smashes on. His is the worst.
Edit 1: DK's Bair, and Fair are close to Broken. His DKpunch has been nerfed, but his recovery is improved. The DB, and SideB are still close to useless. But his combo-ability is top notch. + 2.5
Power: 7
Combo ability: 7
Speed: 6
Knockback: 6
Weight: 7
Recovery: 6
Rating: 6.5/10

Yoshi

Yoshi. is. (Still.) the. worst. All moves have been nerfed, it seems. Still no recovery. No DJC makes him to slow and easy to kill. Without DI Airdodging, he's a joke.
Edit 1: His double jump has half as many juggernaut frames as melee, however, he can use his UB two times. His Uair, and Bair have no lag on landing, and the Bair does pretty sick damage. The Fsmashes range was decreased, but it will ko at around 110% all in all. +2.0
Edit 2: Bair combos increase the game further. easy to link into smashes for kills. +1.0
Power: 5
Combo ability: 5
Speed: 5
Knockback: 4
Weight: 5
Recovery: 3
Rating: 4/10


Ganondorf

Without L-Canceling, he's just... Hard. Like Bowser, if you miss, you're gonna be in a world of hurt. His Valcano Kick has a suction effect in the front, and his warlock punch is faster. Without the extra jump after the DB makes his recovery terrible. Honestly, he's not nearly as strong as he should be. Shame...
Edit 1: His sideB can suicide kill! He can tech chase better than any character so far, and he has a lot of power. smaller characters can be killed at low %. Strongest in game overall. + 2.5
Power: over 9000
Combo ability: 2 (with tech chasing, 7)
Speed: 3
Knockback: 6
Weight: 8
Recovery: 4
Rating: 6.5/10

Pit

My personal favorite. Bow game is too good. Both SideB and DB can reflect profectiles. Recovery is bananas. Can glide, and attack quickly. Moderate speed, and strength. All moves come out quick *** hell, and do okay damage. Pit is a beast in the right hands.
Edit 1: Pit can be gimped during his UB. If he is hit during the animation, he cannot do it again, kliling him. SB won't help, and jumps will be gone. -1.0
Power: 7
Combo ability: 9
Speed: 7
Knockback: 7
Weight: 5
Recovery: 10

Metaknight

Man, he looks cool. Keyword: looks. He's fast, and his combos are nuts, but he lacks the ability to KO. Only his Dsmash, Glide attack, and UB seem to get it done, and they're hard to land. One of the best teammates, hands down. His B moves all send him into falling state, which harms him greatly. Plays like 64 jiggz a bit, but without the rest.
Edit 1: UB cancels into glide which cancels into glide attack which cancels into ftilt which cancels into fair which can lead to UB. See where I'm going with this? +1.0
Edit 2: All tilts are extremely useful. The b attacks don't really hang in battle, sans the UB, his combo ability is pure bananas. Strong, and quick, metaknight has a strong future in tournament placings. +.5
Power: 6
Combo ability: 9
Speed: 7
Knockback: 3
Weight: 3
Recovery: 7
Rating: 8/10

Wolf

Scary as hell. Fast, powerful, and has decent combo ability. He can gimp with his shine, like Fox, and plays the ground with anyone. He's right along DeDeDe in terms of how hard it is to approach him. His Blaster does 5% per shot, and it's easy to hit. His sideB spikes, and his UB is like Fox's, but it's instant. Odds are, he'll be winning tournament left and right.
Edit 1: KO moves hard to hit on smaller characters. Easily edgehogged. -.5
Power: 9
Combo ability: 6
Speed: 7
Knockback: 9
Weight: 7
Recovery: 7
Rating: 9/10

Captain Falcon

Without l-canceling, he's just sad. He's knee's sweet spot has a smaller hitbox, and he Dain no longer spikes. His speed was taken down to give Sonic the limelight. IMO, he's too slow to match his melee counterpart in anyway. Nothing about him got better, that I've seen, except the gentleman is easy as pie. As I've said before: Shame.
Edit 1: Caps Uair has no lag upon landing, and ith the addition of his Usmash being KO material, and hyphen smashing, caps combo ability has become majorly apparent. +2.0
Edit 2: Cap is awful. All in edit 1 is nonsense that only works on people who are idiots. In fact, he's close to useless. Raptor Boost has awful priority, and his recovery is easily kept away from the stage. His moves as weak, with low priority. Easily shield grabbed. As of now, viable for bottom tier. -2.5
Power: 7
Combo ability: 7
Speed: 9
Knockback: 7
Weight: 5
Recovery: 5
Rating: 4.5/10

Lucario

Mewtwo did it with a monk, and had a baby. That baby is wacky as hell, and shoots beams. His name? Yamcha. I mean Lucario. Great air game, but smashes are not as good as most others. UB is fast and useful, and his DB is a counter that does decent damage. His moves stop the inertia of the character, and makes him hard to approach. His low KO ability, and smash range weaken him, but still playable.
Edit 1: The more damage done to Lucario, the Stronger his moves! + .5
Edit 2: Lucario's Bair is USELESS. This harms him because a lot of his game focuses on comboing. Nair, and Fair at fantastic, and the Dair is ultimately super for pressuring. Smashes have big startup lag compaered to most, and her tilts are nothing to write a poem about. All in all, after extensive play, I see he might have a place in high end, but only in the most dedicated of hands. +1.0
Power: 4 to start off, at over 100% damage it's 8
Combo ability: 6
Speed: 6
Knockback: 6
Weight: 4
Recovery: 6
Rating: 7/10

Marth

Well god****it. He's just as good, minus the grabs. Best Air Game. Period. His smashes are just as powerful, and sideB has a place in matches now, regardless though it's not helpful in recovering. No further explanation needed. Again... **** it.
Edit 1: Marth's range is just not as good. His attacks link well, but not like his melee counter part. Neutral air cannot attack above as well. NB recvoery only good if you have a second jump. Side b recovery is terrible. -1.0
Power: 8
Combo ability: 9
Speed: 8
Knockback: 10
Weight: 6
Recovery: 8
Rating: 8.5/10

NEW CHARACTER MONTAGE: Snake

Snake is just weird. As we've seen, when you get him down, you're a monster. The sheer adaptability of his character makes him the most balanced to any matchup. Strongest projectiles in the game. Bad air game, but it's strong as hell. Natural combo can ko, along with any attack in the air, or smash. Beware.
Edit 1: Snake is terrible. BUT **** IS HE GOOD! Best camper in the game. every move can KO. Close to infinite recovery, while can be throw gimped/glitched. Right now, anyone who faces a person picking Snake at a tournament should ultimately expect to have one of the hardest matches of their life. Speed is terrible, but makes up for it with a long range and quick dash attack. Snakes throws are a prominent force in this game, combined with the most damaging projectiles... Folks, he's great.
Power: 10
Combo ability: 3 (with mines, 5)
Speed: 3/4 ish
Knockback: 9
Weight: 7
Recovery: 8
Rating: Could be 3... Could be 9/10

NEW CHARACTER MONTAGE: Sonic

From what we've seen, sonic is easy to play, but hard to master. You're gong to need more than three days to understand this guy. Easily shield grabbed. Has wonderful priority, and a great UB. I can't rate Sonic, because we haven't even seen his early potential. As of right now... He could be the Best in the game. Or even the Worst.
Edit 1: In proper hands, Sonic is fierce. He can pressure hard, has good edge guarding, speed out the wazoo's wazoo. While priority is lame, and power is lacking, sonic makes up for it with his fancily strong air attacks, and strong combo-ability.
Power: 6
Combo ability: 8
Speed: 10
Knockback: 5
Weight: 5
Recovery: 8
Rating: 7.5/10

But still no Kirby :argh:

Bowser: Infinite Jumps

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=p1wx0bz_6FQ

Kirby: Infinite Jumps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qZ6dEe9kX8

I'll try to find more stuff peeps.

Hawke
02-14-2008, 8:52 PM
I liked Shadow at first, especially when he sacrificed himself at the end of SA2, but it just got really retarded when it was apparent he was alive (not sure about you, but I think I would die if I was flying hundreds of miles per hour through earth's atmosphere)

I agree. But he was alive due to apparently limitless robot clones that were made of him. It kind of dumbed down the series a bit.

I also wouldn't expect Shadow of all Sonic characters to be an assist trophy. Maybe a more classic character like Tails or Knuckles, but Shadow just seems too new. And I would not even expect Silver to be in the game at all, mentioned or a cameo. It just feels like this game is branching out too far into the 3rd Party Zone. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Sonic vs Mario, but there's a limit to what characters would make sense. It wouldn't surprise me (although it would disappoint me) if we had Naruto and the Hulk fighting Dante and Mario in the same game in the future.

Lance
02-14-2008, 9:05 PM
Sakurai only accepts characters that originated in games (really hope someone doesn't replace him).

fionnrokz
02-15-2008, 2:51 AM
I agree. But he was alive due to apparently limitless robot clones that were made of him. It kind of dumbed down the series a bit.


That lost all my respect for Shadow....


I also wouldn't expect Shadow of all Sonic characters to be an assist trophy. Maybe a more classic character like Tails or Knuckles, but Shadow just seems too new. And I would not even expect Silver to be in the game at all, mentioned or a cameo. It just feels like this game is branching out too far into the 3rd Party Zone.

Now there gonna want to have some more Metal Gear Solid stuff in the game.

Lance
02-15-2008, 7:04 AM
Luigi for today.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/hidden03/hidden03_080215h-l.jpg

It looks like his Final Smash is called "Negative Zone" and it has the following affects on the opponents

* Drastically reduced attack power
* Greater launch distance when hit
* Increased likelihood of slipping
* Steady increase in damage percentage
* Flower growth on head
* Dizziness
* Uncontrollable taunting
* Sudden sleepiness
* Decreased movement speed

Urser
02-15-2008, 7:45 AM
Wow, you really can't appreciate Toon Link's stage until you see this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOjBFSA4dhk

fionnrokz
02-15-2008, 9:14 AM
That is so cool, i like the way you can swim. They made the weapons the same but in wind waker/phantom hourglass style... You can also charge his up B i think by the looks of it.. I'm so maining him

Lance
02-15-2008, 9:33 AM
English Trailer, enjoy.

Teh Trailer (http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/super-smash-bros-brawl/super-smash-bros-brawl-video-premiere/1186004)

Also note that it's rated T for Cartoon Violence and "Crude Humor." I bet Wario helped that one out.

Urser
02-15-2008, 9:43 AM
English Trailer, enjoy.

Teh Trailer (http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/super-smash-bros-brawl/super-smash-bros-brawl-video-premiere/1186004)

Also note that it's rated T for Cartoon Violence and "Crude Humor." I bet Wario helped that one out.

Oh, hot.

The Mario and Sonic part at the end was spine-tingling! It's a shame the PAL version isn't likely to hit my shores any time soon.

Awsumerthanyou
02-15-2008, 1:26 PM
English Trailer, enjoy.

Teh Trailer (http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/super-smash-bros-brawl/super-smash-bros-brawl-video-premiere/1186004)

Also note that it's rated T for Cartoon Violence and "Crude Humor." I bet Wario helped that one out.
Ah! The preorder card I got from Toys R Us (It's the only place that ever has what I'm looking for in stock) says it's rated "E" for Everyone!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

Richard_Simmons
02-15-2008, 7:03 PM
Ah! The preorder card I got from Toys R Us (It's the only place that ever has what I'm looking for in stock) says it's rated "E" for Everyone!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

To hell with children. Let them be exposed to this magnitude of awesomeness.

Great trailier, by the way.

Lance
02-15-2008, 7:12 PM
Also rated T for common seizures from greatness.

Awsumerthanyou
02-15-2008, 7:16 PM
To hell with children. Let them be exposed to this magnitude of awesomeness.
I was making fun of the kind of people who freak out over this kind of stuff. Also, I know someone who owns and is allowed to play "The Godfather: Blackhand Edition" as well as numerous other ultraviolent games, but not allowed to bask in the glory of the Smash Bros. franchise.

Richard_Simmons
02-15-2008, 8:16 PM
I know someone who owns and is allowed to play "The Godfather: Blackhand Edition" as well as numerous other ultraviolent games, but not allowed to bask in the glory of the Smash Bros. franchise.

That has to be the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

Awsumerthanyou
02-16-2008, 12:58 PM
I was talking about this earlier, here's a pic. I'm so fucking pissed off about this...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/GForced89/Brawl/SnakeMineCensorship.jpg

Urser
02-16-2008, 10:59 PM
Why are you pissed off? Beacuse it's too kiddy now?

I still think the mine looks great. The first one does look more realistic, but the second one is clean and advanced.

Tweek
02-16-2008, 11:08 PM
I think that anything that makes Snake more cartoony is good.
I'm not happy with his inclusion :mad:

poketron
02-16-2008, 11:25 PM
I AM SO PUMPED

oh god
Subspace Emissary, the unlockables
YAY
thank god i pre-ordered it yesterday.

USER WAS PUT IN TIMEOUT FOR THIS POST. (http://forums.explosm.net/bankamp/)
Reason: Type like a normal person.

Awsumerthanyou
02-16-2008, 11:28 PM
It's just that Snake wouldn't use something like that in an actual Metal Gear game. (I'm aware Snake doesn't use land mines, but if he were too, he wouldn't use "futuristic" ones.)

Lance
02-17-2008, 11:27 AM
Hey guys, here are some kick-ass tracks from the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tapzwyMgziE&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIuOpb_KNCA&

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJGsShgvRI&

Make sure to check the guy's profile out for more awesome music.

Awsumerthanyou
02-17-2008, 11:31 AM
My favorite song in the Game is this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR0aFWcilGQ

EDIT: Oh My God. There's Death Metal in this game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YADizWIYUVY

Lance
02-17-2008, 11:50 AM
Final Boss music. The musicians sure weren't fucking around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trRVQepf0iQ

NVM
02-17-2008, 11:51 AM
English Trailer, enjoy.

Teh Trailer (http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/super-smash-bros-brawl/super-smash-bros-brawl-video-premiere/1186004)

Also note that it's rated T for Cartoon Violence and "Crude Humor." I bet Wario helped that one out.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z216/NvM321/elbo.png

Sweet, the online looks like it works at least like Halo 2.

Lance
02-17-2008, 12:05 PM
Luigi's Mansion remix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2YfKjU9yI

I think I pissed myself.

Richard_Simmons
02-17-2008, 12:24 PM
Luigi's Mansion remix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2YfKjU9yI

Very nice. I look forward to playing this level.

Awsumerthanyou
02-17-2008, 1:00 PM
Luigi's Mansion remix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2YfKjU9yI

I think I pissed myself.
Holy shit I was not expecting the choir. That scared the fuck out of me. The stage that this is going to be played on is great, but could be a lot better in my opinion. It doesn't exactly retain the feel of the original game if you ask me.

fionnrokz
02-18-2008, 10:17 AM
The level has been revealed today...

They're only releasing secrets now because they know that everyone knows everything about the game so why not..

Awsumerthanyou
02-18-2008, 1:43 PM
Does anyone know a site where I can download mp3s of this game's music for free?

Urser
02-19-2008, 1:55 AM
Does anyone know a site where I can download mp3s of this game's music for free?

http://brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=5041&hilit=music

Houston
02-20-2008, 12:31 AM
Has anyone here read the rumors about the US delay?

Supposedly, Roy and Mewtwo are playable, directly on the disk.

The reason they aren't on the Japanese disk is because Nintendo released it early, and will give the Japanese Roy and Mewtwo (and possibly more) via DLC.

Take it with a grain of salt, but it would be amazing if it was true.

Link to Source (http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=145144)

Hats of!
02-20-2008, 1:47 AM
Falco was in update today. And I think I'll prefer him to Fox. Still have to see Wolf's update.

And Urser, shall we join a club? "T.P.S.T.D.G.S.B.I.T." (Those Poor Souls That Doesn't Get Smash Bros In Time).

Best theme, EVAR!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NznpfTsy1uk&feature=PlayList&p=11576D7E8C6AFA67&index=94

Dexide
02-20-2008, 10:00 AM
Has anyone here read the rumors about the US delay?

Supposedly, Roy and Mewtwo are playable, directly on the disk.

The reason they aren't on the Japanese disk is because Nintendo released it early, and will give the Japanese Roy and Mewtwo (and possibly more) via DLC.

Take it with a grain of salt, but it would be amazing if it was true.

Link to Source (http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=145144)


I hope so. I really, really hope so... Roy was cool, and Mewtwo was my favorite in Melee, at least the Japanese will get them as downloads too. This would be amazing if it were true, and it may just be since it's from the same guy who leaked Advanced Wars months before the unveiling.

EDIT: I doubt it though, because IGN says that they have the American version already, because it has already been coded, and they say that it's just like the Japanese version. So as cool as it would be, don't get your hopes up.

Awsumerthanyou
02-20-2008, 10:34 AM
Where on IGN does it say that they have the American Version? In any case, Character DLC would take the awesomeness of this game to a whole new level.

Dexide
02-20-2008, 10:44 AM
Where on IGN does it say that they have the American Version? In any case, Character DLC would take the awesomeness of this game to a whole new level.

They said they had it on their podcast, they also said that they were "identical." It would be awesome though. If you can download characters than I'm going out and buying a Wii.

Also, about todays update, Falco's cool and everything, but the Landmaster thing is getting annoying. I wouldn't be suprised if Landmaster was a playable character...

Awsumerthanyou
02-20-2008, 10:53 AM
They said they had it on their podcast, they also said that they were "identical."

Link please.

Sarge51
02-20-2008, 10:59 AM
What? I would've bought a Wii for this game alone, and this was when the first trailer was released. This and Mario Galaxies are the only two games I would play on the Wii so far.

But damn Wiis are hard to find. One time we were at a store and they were selling a whole batch. Everyone else knew what was going on except us. I heard someone say they were selling Wiis when my mom was using the bathroom, and I told her once she got out. We headed over there, waited in line after awhile for like 10 minutes. Only to find this guy that worked there was trying to get his paycheck early keeping us waiting, only to buy the last Wii. Bullshit?

Dexide
02-20-2008, 11:29 AM
Link please.

I'm sorry, I remembered the wrong thing. They don't have to American version, I was thinking about a different game.

Sorry again.

Awsumerthanyou
02-20-2008, 12:12 PM
This and Mario Galaxies are the only two games I would play on the Wii so far.

Assuming you mean Super Mario Galaxy, Nintendo's Holy Trinity seems to be Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and of course, Super Smash Bros. Brawl.[/recommendation]

And Dexide, no need to be sorry, finding that mistake opened the door of possibility back up again.

fionnrokz
02-20-2008, 2:54 PM
This and Mario Galaxies are the only two games I would play on the Wii so far.

What about Metroid 3? And Mario Kart (12 player online)?

There are loads of great must-have games for Wii...

...Back to Smash Bros. On Smashboards they said that the Wii has the capability for downloadable characters and thats how they're bringing Roy and Mewtwo back. But they should have maybe a 3-5 Downloadable character roster in which you can Save 1 of them to your Wii. Thoughts on this??

Dexide
02-20-2008, 3:11 PM
Assuming you mean Super Mario Galaxy, Nintendo's Holy Trinity seems to be Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and of course, Super Smash Bros. Brawl.[/recommendation]

And Dexide, no need to be sorry, finding that mistake opened the door of possibility back up again.

OK, fine, I'm not sorry :lol:

Stupid podcasts and their hard to follow game reviewers. Anyways, I hope they make Megaman and Bomberman downloadable as well, but they probably won't, Megaman is a third party, and Bomberman is a good enough character to be in the starting roster.

fionnrokz
02-20-2008, 3:44 PM
I'm still waiting for the exclusive US/Europe Animal Crossing character to be released. Think about it, it's the perfect character.

The Moveset wudnt be too hard

B - Slingshot (hold to power up)
B+Sideways - Axe Swing
B+Up - Fishing rod tether recovery
B+Down - Watering Can (makes a 'lips stick' style flower appear on people near you)

Final Smash - Random Animals come in and attack people. Or Kappn just comes and runs you over.

A attacks - normal hits



Thoughts on this??

Richard_Simmons
02-20-2008, 4:11 PM
Assuming you mean Super Mario Galaxy, Nintendo's Holy Trinity seems to be Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, and of course, Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

You forgot Twilight Princess. Shame on you.

Benjaman
02-20-2008, 4:13 PM
Here's another link to some SSBB songs.

http://www.cooltastic.com/music/brawl/

Awsumerthanyou
02-20-2008, 4:20 PM
I'm still waiting for the exclusive US/Europe Animal Crossing character to be released. Think about it, it's the perfect character.

The Moveset wudnt be too hard

B - Slingshot (hold to power up)
B+Sideways - Axe Swing
B+Up - Fishing rod tether recovery
B+Down - Watering Can (makes a 'lips stick' style flower appear on people near you)

Final Smash - Random Animals come in and attack people. Or Kappn just comes and runs you over.

A attacks - normal hits



Thoughts on this??
Well if there is character DLC I would assume one would be an AC character, as that would explain that interview discussed earlier in the thread. Also, the fact that there are Animal Crossing items, Animal Crossing songs, and even an Animal Crossing stage, but no Animal Crossing character strikes me as odd.

Fionn, the only thing I would change for that moveset you posted would be the Down special, Smash attacks and Final Smash. I think it would make more sense if the Down Special was the shovel. The smash attacks should be more than just "normal hits", that's kind of stupid. And as for the Final Smash, did you ever go around shaking trees to find money in Animal Crossing? Remember how you were merrily trotting along shaking trees, happy to have discovered a method of getting unlimited cash, when suddenly, instead of money, one tree had a beehive! I know it isn't that great of an FS, but it's the best thing I can think of at the moment.

EDIT:
You forgot Twilight Princess. Shame on you.

Well, TP was a launch title, and if I had included that, it wouldn't be a Holy Trinity anymore. It would be like, a Holy Quadrinity or something. :facts:

Dexide
02-20-2008, 4:42 PM
I want to fight as a Mii, that is another thing I really want in this game.

Wanted Characters:
Plusle and Minun / Raichu
Mii
Mewtwo
Bomberman
Megaman
AC Character
Roy

Anything else we want?

Benjaman
02-20-2008, 5:02 PM
IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN

So much waiting.
http://www.superjoesoftware.com/ssbb

Awsumerthanyou
02-20-2008, 5:14 PM
IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN

So much waiting.
http://www.superjoesoftware.com/ssbb

Fuck that shit, try this (http://wii.ign.com/launch/super-smash-bros-brawl.html) on for size!

EDIT: Also, Brawl has apparently sold over a million in 3 weeks over in Japan, and is fucking impossible to get your hands on.

http://wii.ign.com/articles/851/851378p1.html

Hats of!
02-21-2008, 2:29 AM
According to Kotaku.com we Europeans will have to wait for Brawl untill the 6:th of June. It's not confirmed, but if I see a Frenchman, German or any one of these idiots needing the game translated, I will go WW2 on their arses!!!
http://kotaku.com/358367/european-brawl-release-date-announced

Urser
02-21-2008, 2:34 AM
Whew. June actually sounds quite nice. I was expecting September or later. :ahe:

As for Mewtwo and Roy being downloadables...

DECONFIRMED (http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/853/853748p1.html)

Why didn't IGN actually ask about the PAL release date!? THOSE AMERICAN BASTARDS!

Hats of!
02-21-2008, 8:59 AM
I've watched through entire SSE today (on YouTube), it's kickass. It's hard to keep up with all the teams, but still, I won't be able to sleep for a week when I get the game. But I disalike that Toon Link, Jigglypuff and Wolf doesn't get a major part in the story, they're unlockable and you can win the entire mode without them. Although, Sonic hasn't either got a major part, but he shows up in the end atleast.

Yea, yea, SSE isn't the game, the other part is. AND NOW YOU CAN BRAWL ACROSS THE ENTIRE WORLD!

Sarge51
02-21-2008, 9:03 AM
What about Metroid 3? And Mario Kart (12 player online)?

I suppose I did forget Metroid 3 (I have no clue how!) and Mario Kart.

I also forgot MySims. Simply because the Sims are just too freaking cute in that game. Older Sim games are boring as hell though.

fionnrokz
02-21-2008, 11:44 AM
Fionn, the only thing I would change for that moveset you posted would be the Down special, Smash attacks and Final Smash. I think it would make more sense if the Down Special was the shovel. The smash attacks should be more than just "normal hits", that's kind of stupid. And as for the Final Smash, did you ever go around shaking trees to find money in Animal Crossing? Remember how you were merrily trotting along shaking trees, happy to have discovered a method of getting unlimited cash, when suddenly, instead of money, one tree had a beehive! I know it isn't that great of an FS, but it's the best thing I can think of at the moment.

Yeh I know that the smash attacks suck, but i cudnt think of any more.. The down special move as a shovel wud just act as a portable pitfall seed... As for the final smash, i think the bee's is a cool idea....

Lance
02-21-2008, 10:58 PM
Cool update, someone has recorded all characters speed based on how long it took one of them to get from one side of the stage to the other. Obviously, Sonic is the fastest, but Bowser ISN'T the slowest, Jigglypuff is.

Here's the link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=psUvRhUpfN8

Hats of!
02-23-2008, 4:23 AM
Anyone here knows if you can choose how experienced players you wanna fight with in Wi-fi? So you won't get any very bad players or very, to good players in your fights?

Awsumerthanyou
02-23-2008, 10:35 AM
Anyone here knows if you can choose how experienced players you wanna fight with in Wi-fi? So you won't get any very bad players or very, to good players in your fights?
Yeah, ranked wi-fi matches let you fight only with the players closest to your ratio of wins/losses.

Urser
02-23-2008, 6:20 PM
Yeah, ranked wi-fi matches let you fight only with the players closest to your ratio of wins/losses.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no ranked wi-fi matches. :ahe:

Awsumerthanyou
02-23-2008, 9:07 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no ranked wi-fi matches. :ahe:
Oh, I guess you're right. I just assumed there would be because there have been for every other Wi-Fi compatible Wii game I've played.

Hats of!
02-24-2008, 2:33 AM
I'll go with Awsumerthanyou.

MusicalIdiot
02-24-2008, 5:09 PM
Well, I just got back from playing this game at a friend's dorm in UCLA. I could only play it for about two hours, so my opinion on this game isn't absolutely perfect.

I must say, being good in Super Smash Bros. Melee gives very little to being good in Super Smash Bros. Brawl because the gameplay is just so different. Yes, everything is more "balanced", everything isn't perfect. So what's different about the gameplay? Imagine every character hitting like Kirby from Melee. Yes, Brawl is much slower than Melee, which is why I prefer Melee at the moment. However, I know once I get this game for myself, I'll eventually grow out of it and think Melee is weak compared to Brawl.

Anyways, based off what I played, I will main Olimar because he is a beast beyond all reason. He has a impenetrable wall of Pikmin and just smashes everywhere, destroying everything. I definitely place Olimar among the best characters along with Pit, Toon Link, Wolf, and Diddy Kong. Characters that did not impress me were Ganondorf (they actually slowed him down, smart right?), Sonic (all he freaking does is roll into a ball and die), Lucario (he's supposed to be an upgraded Mewtwo, but he didn't do it for me), and Yoshi (once a loser, always a loser you retarded Easter Dinosaur).

Despite the game being slower than Melee and having Melee Kirby-like gameplay, it's still a great game. It will just take time to adjust...

Awsumerthanyou
02-24-2008, 7:03 PM
How the fuck did your friend get his hands on that game?

MusicalIdiot
02-24-2008, 7:21 PM
A person on his floor downloaded the Japanese version of brawl and that person's father rigged the Wii so that it wasn't region locked since he is an electrical/computer engineer.

Lance
02-24-2008, 7:32 PM
Some pretty cool shit.

First off, fully charged Wario-Man Wario Waft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIqKh7Uf5ig

I don't even know how to comment on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncSV4aM968s&

Hats of!
02-25-2008, 4:33 AM
I love the level-editor. I can be a complete jackass to Jigglypuff in them. MUHAHAHA.

BKS
02-25-2008, 4:54 AM
Some pretty cool shit.

First off, fully charged Wario-Man Wario Waft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIqKh7Uf5ig

I don't even know how to comment on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncSV4aM968s&

That last video was outrageous, kind of like the Surf Levels in Counter Strike. It's gonna be interesting to see what people do with the Editor.

Hats of!
02-26-2008, 2:50 PM
Has anyone noted that Samus look abit more Cartoonish in Smash Bros series?
Brawl (http://smashbros.planets.gamespy.com/ssbb/images/samus.jpg)
Versus
Prime (http://www.nintendopedia.org/images/thumb/1/1e/Normal_samus2.jpg/200px-Normal_samus2.jpg)

Like, less streamline and realistic?

Urser
02-26-2008, 6:33 PM
Has anyone noted that Samus look abit more Cartoonish in Smash Bros series?
Brawl (http://smashbros.planets.gamespy.com/ssbb/images/samus.jpg)
Versus
Prime (http://www.nintendopedia.org/images/thumb/1/1e/Normal_samus2.jpg/200px-Normal_samus2.jpg)

Like, less streamline and realistic?

IT'S THE LIGHTING!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/MetroidPrimebox.jpg

They look more the same.

Lag
02-26-2008, 6:37 PM
It's her figure. She's had to keep it down since she actually takes off her armor this time around. :heya:

Also that prime picture looks a lot different than I remember her.

fionnrokz
02-27-2008, 10:03 AM
I have a feeling this thread is dying...

Benjaman
02-27-2008, 2:39 PM
ELEVEN MORE DAYS! (For the U.S.)

My friends, some more people, and I (about 20 of us) are planning on camping out for the game, just for fun, but only about half of us actually plan on buying it.

Lance
02-29-2008, 5:56 PM
English voices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPuesnIp0VY&locale=en_US&persist_locale=1

Analysis:

Fox sounds like his Star Fox 64 carnation.
Metaknight sounds like he's going to fucking kill someone. Like Vader and a spaniard decided to fuck and Metaknight is the result.
Pit is damn awful.
Ike is actually speaking in English.
Falco sounds like slightly more gangsta than his Star Fox 64 carnation.

Richard_Simmons
02-29-2008, 8:14 PM
Metaknight sounds like he's going to fucking kill someone. Like Vader and a spaniard decided to fuck and Metaknight is the result.


Exactly what I thought.

Urser
02-29-2008, 9:14 PM
English voices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPuesnIp0VY&locale=en_US&persist_locale=1

:wail: What have they done?

I loved Pit's Japanese voice. Same with Ike's. Now they're ruined!
Metaknight's seems weird for such a small character.
Fox sounds like the Scout off Team Fortress 2.

Lag
02-29-2008, 9:33 PM
Fox sounds like the Scout off Team Fortress 2.
Need a reflector over here.
Need a reflector over here.
Need a reflector over here.
Need a reflector over here.

Meta Knight's voice though...holy shit. And really, without his mask, he looks like a blue Kirby.

Benjaman
03-01-2008, 7:06 AM
Pit sounds like Mitch from Real Genius :ahe:
But, yeah, they ruined Ike, and even Fox sounds weird. Good thing I'm not buying this game for the sound acting.

Hawke
03-01-2008, 9:52 AM
What? How do you think Pit and Ike sound worse than Falco and Fox? Pit seems to me like he'd have that kind of voice, and while I don't remember what Ike sounded like in FE for the GCN, he has a pretty normal voice. It's Fox that sounds like a kid and Falco that sounds like a guy from Brooklyn.

Also Meta Knight sounds exactly like Darth Vader.

Dexide
03-01-2008, 12:33 PM
What? How do you think Pit and Ike sound worse than Falco and Fox? Pit seems to me like he'd have that kind of voice, and while I don't remember what Ike sounded like in FE for the GCN, he has a pretty normal voice. It's Fox that sounds like a kid and Falco that sounds like a guy from Brooklyn.

Also Meta Knight sounds exactly like Darth Vader.

It makes sense that Falco would have an Italian accent, his last name is Lombardi, Fox does not sound like a kid at all really, Pit's voice is annoying as hell, and Ike's voice is pretty normal.

cgjh
03-02-2008, 1:12 AM
i just hope that they dont make the controls gay... if the voices are bad ill just turn the sound down :P problem solved!

HappinessMan
03-02-2008, 2:13 AM
Controls are already on www.smashbros.com :indiff:

jamiewillis
03-02-2008, 3:12 AM
lol who else hates captain olimar....hes supposed to microscopic...but now...theyve just ruined him and made him normal size wtf?

Urser
03-02-2008, 3:46 AM
lol who else hates captain olimar....hes supposed to microscopic...but now...theyve just ruined him and made him normal size wtf?

lol ya i kno wots with that i mean kirby is sposed to be small smae as pikachy lol

Let's put it this way. Captain Olimar needed representation, and there's no way they're going to put in a guy you can't even see now is there.

NVM
03-02-2008, 10:39 AM
i just hope that they dont make the controls gay... if the voices are bad ill just turn the sound down :P problem solved!

Most of the voices are for when you win the match, it's not like they're talking every 5 seconds.

fionnrokz
03-02-2008, 10:59 AM
I think Pit's voice is really cool!! It's Ikes and Foxs that dont suit their character.... Fucking hell metaknight is exactly like darth vader

Dexide
03-02-2008, 11:10 AM
This is how they did Meta Knight's Voice. (http://www.amazon.com/Hasbro-Darth-Vader-Voice-Changer/dp/B000231FSQ)

I haven't heard Snake's voice, and I really wanna, can someone send me a link? Thanks in advance!

Hats of!
03-02-2008, 12:46 PM
Snake's voice is the same as his games.

And I like Meta's voice. EVUL!

Dexide
03-02-2008, 2:03 PM
Same voice actor? OK. Good, that's what I was hoping.

Zebbs
03-02-2008, 2:44 PM
I think Fox's voice was better in Melee. But what you gonna do?

Fugga
03-04-2008, 6:56 PM
Who's goin to the gamestop tourny?

Jimith Jamith
03-04-2008, 7:26 PM
If this game sucks i think everyone that had posted on this form will suffer from....ANUL LEAKAGE!

Lance
03-04-2008, 7:51 PM
Good thing this game doesn't suck then. Hell, IGN even gave it a 9.5 in there review.

Urser
03-05-2008, 3:57 AM
Holy fuck. Brawl's been hacked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZDgjjDnWLM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoY1RmoZFA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuLHui7omLQ

Pikachu + Ganondorf is hilarious!

Lance
03-05-2008, 5:33 AM
Lucario actually looks really good with Mario's A moves, with his Aura and all (and holy shit Human Pikachu is a monster)

Hats of!
03-05-2008, 6:18 AM
AAAH! I'm scared of Pikachu.

Lance
03-05-2008, 7:01 AM
Found some cool shit, it talks about character codes on the Brawl disk that were found but were not used in the end.

*Dr. Mario
*Mewtwo
*Roy
*Dixie Kong
*Toon Zelda/Toon Shiek
*Plusle and Minun

Looks like the only one who was truly forgotten from Melee was Pichu, hahaha.

Dexide
03-05-2008, 12:37 PM
Found some cool shit, it talks about character codes on the Brawl disk that were found but were not used in the end.

*Dr. Mario
*Mewtwo
*Roy
*Dixie Kong
*Toon Zelda/Toon Shiek
*Plusle and Minun

Looks like the only one who was truly forgotten from Melee was Pichu, hahaha.

So that means using an Instant Replay might make them playable right? Instant Replay can take those codes and make them playable if I'm correct.

Awsumerthanyou
03-05-2008, 2:09 PM
Peach+Sonic is extremely frightening.

Urser
03-05-2008, 10:42 PM
So that means using an Instant Replay might make them playable right? Instant Replay can take those codes and make them playable if I'm correct.

No.

I'm absolutely sure that the characters aren't completed, and if we found out a way to use them, the whole game would crash.

Mr Anorexia
03-06-2008, 6:12 PM
I just pre-ordered my copy and payed it off today, so I'm sure to get it Sunday. I cannot wait.

Lag
03-06-2008, 6:39 PM
Sunday Sunday SUNDAY! Be there for the Brawl to end them all!
Seriously though, I don't get the midnight launch deal. Is it for all the people who can't go out into the sun to buy it?

NVM
03-06-2008, 7:12 PM
Mine's all preordered and ready to go.
I'll be playing all day Sunday and will most likely miss school Monday to play cause I'm that cool.

Mr Anorexia
03-06-2008, 7:15 PM
Mine's all preordered and ready to go.
I'll be playing all day Sunday and will most likely miss school Monday to play cause I'm that cool.
Haha same here. I already paid for it so I can just go in, get it and come home and play all day. Though the store I ordered it from doesn't have the midnight launch :mad:

NVM
03-06-2008, 7:31 PM
Haha same here. I already paid for it so I can just go in, get it and come home and play all day. Though the store I ordered it from doesn't have the midnight launch :mad:

Mine either, and it's like the only store in the state. But 11am after a late Saturday isn't too bad.

Mr Anorexia
03-06-2008, 7:36 PM
Mine either, and it's like the only store in the state. But 11am after a late Saturday isn't too bad.
The gamestop here opens at 9 am on sunday morning.

MistyTehMoose
03-06-2008, 7:42 PM
It isn't coming out in Aus for a while :(

I might e-bay it.

NVM
03-06-2008, 7:52 PM
Aussie Wii aren't region-free but there's always this (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9882934-1.html).

MistyTehMoose
03-06-2008, 7:53 PM
Aussie Wii aren't region-free but there's always this (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9882934-1.html).

They can play european games.

Urser
03-06-2008, 10:47 PM
They can play european games.

The European date hasn't been revealed yet either. Europeans are most likely to get it in June/July, so would you really wait that long?

I want to get my hands on one of those free-loaders and get a US copy of Brawl, but it's too much of a hassle. I guess the PAL release date will be revealed by the time the Dojo finished updating.

ShockWave
03-07-2008, 1:44 AM
EBGames actually phoned me to confirm they'd have it for Sunday. Then they suggested I bring in 3 games to trade in to get it for free. Hmm...

Only two more sleeps!

Hats of!
03-07-2008, 8:07 AM
I'm gonna wait for the European. It's much easier, don't have to worry when I update the Wii.

Urser
03-07-2008, 8:12 AM
I'm gonna wait for the European. It's much easier, don't have to worry when I update the Wii.

YEA BUT WHEN WILL THAT BE HATTY? WHEN WILL IT BE!?

Benjaman
03-07-2008, 3:11 PM
IT'S! (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/Benjaman36/SSBB001.jpg)
ALMOST HERE! (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/Benjaman36/SSBB002.jpg)
That sucks that you guys in Europe/Australia can't get it. I don't know what I'd do :wail:

NVM
03-07-2008, 4:25 PM
My few friends turned out ended up being a party and only 3 guys out of about 10 are actually buying the game...

Mr Anorexia
03-08-2008, 5:57 AM
ONE MORE DAY.

Hats of!
03-08-2008, 7:25 AM
YEA BUT WHEN WILL THAT BE HATTY? WHEN WILL IT BE!?

It will be when it is not said untill the said point it will. Be. May it.

Urser
03-08-2008, 7:33 AM
It will be when it is not said untill the said point it will. Be. May it.

Well I read an article that the Smash Bros UK site put up a June 1st picture. But then they took it down. JUNE IS STILL TOO FAR BUT I GUESS IT'S GOOD ENOUGH! :mad:

Mr Anorexia
03-08-2008, 7:59 AM
Well I read an article that the Smash Bros UK site put up a June 1st picture. But then they took it down. JUNE IS STILL TOO FAR BUT I GUESS IT'S GOOD ENOUGH! :mad:
Not as good as early March :hmm:

Hats of!
03-08-2008, 8:05 AM
Bah, what matter does less then a half of a year when you'll play it for 30?

Urser
03-08-2008, 8:22 AM
Bah, what matter does less then a half of a year when you'll play it for 30?

What if I contract cancer and die within 2 months? HMMM!? THEN WHAT!?

Hats of!
03-08-2008, 8:32 AM
Urser, don't you get like a year left to live?

Urser
03-08-2008, 8:34 AM
Maybe I ALREADY have cancer. HMMM?! Year old cancer.

Hats of!
03-08-2008, 8:52 AM
Then why do you sit here? Someone with cancer should travel the entire earth!

Benjaman
03-08-2008, 10:42 AM
Yeah Urser, you can come over to my place and we can play :hmm:

Oh, and I just realized they rated it "T" for Cartoon Violence and Crude Humor A.K.A. Wario Farting :fmita:

CreamScreamer
03-08-2008, 2:05 PM
ONE MORE DAY.

DEAR GOD THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME.

Fugga
03-08-2008, 4:11 PM
Mine's all preordered and ready to go.
I'll be playing all day Sunday and will most likely miss school Monday to play cause I'm that cool.

So lucky. I have CAPT (Connecticut Acedemic Performance Test) all next week so i can't skip school.

Mr Anorexia
03-08-2008, 6:04 PM
I have a Chalazion so I can just say my eye really hurts Monday morning and I can just stay home.

Shmuh
03-08-2008, 6:28 PM
It isn't march break for any of you guys? I'm hopefully getting my SSBB tomorrow morning, and crashing at my friends house most of the week and playing it. It came out at the perfect time.

Benjaman
03-08-2008, 7:01 PM
It isn't march break for any of you guys? I'm hopefully getting my SSBB tomorrow morning, and crashing at my friends house most of the week and playing it. It came out at the perfect time.

I wish my break was now. I have to wait another 2 weeks.

Jimith Jamith
03-08-2008, 7:05 PM
I HAVE TO POOOOOO WITH EXICTEMEMEMENENENDETETT!T!tT!

USER WAS PUT IN TIMEOUT FOR THIS POST. (http://forums.explosm.net/bankamp/)
Reason: It's technically for this retarded post, but I'm also going to punish you for shitting up the GF with your faillure of a parody thread.

Hawke
03-08-2008, 7:46 PM
I'm going to get it Sunday (hopefully) and not be a loser and go to school Monday and play it WHEN I GET HOME.

Awsumerthanyou
03-08-2008, 9:43 PM
Is Toys R Us going to be open for 8:00 am tommorrow morning? I know it has a midnight release but does it stay open afterwards?

Lance
03-08-2008, 9:45 PM
15 minutes till Brawl release (for Northeasteners).

I think I'm just going to rent it for like a month and buy it later. There better be no fucking ice storm though (like they been saying), I'll be thoroughly pissed

NVM
03-08-2008, 11:47 PM
I just played my last Melee match for a long time. Only fitting that I won.

scrapz
03-09-2008, 12:23 AM
Apparently there are reports that early versions of the Wii (ie: launch day consoles) won't be able to play Brawl. Something to do with the lens not being able to read dual layer discs very well.

Man, wouldn't that suck...

Urser
03-09-2008, 12:26 AM
Well I have an Australian launch Wii. But since it was released ages after Japan and America, I'm assuming it'll be good.

THOUGH WHY DOES THAT MATTER BECAUSE I WON'T BE GETTING THE GAME ANY TIME SOON! :mad:

deadchild90
03-09-2008, 12:37 AM
Just got it a couple days ago....fucking awesome!!!
Really lengthy story, but you get to play through it with a friend if you want. Havn't had a chance to play online but I will soon, and before i played this I thought marth and ike wer the same person. :S

NVM
03-09-2008, 12:47 AM
Apparently there are reports that early versions of the Wii (ie: launch day consoles) won't be able to play Brawl. Something to do with the lens not being able to read dual layer discs very well.

Man, wouldn't that suck...

I got mine at launch so if that's the case I'm gonna fuckin 'splode.

scrapz
03-09-2008, 12:52 AM
I got mine at launch so if that's the case I'm gonna fuckin 'splode.

Well, I'm trying to read around (I don't have a link, it's just forum stuff) and it seems that the Nintendo's dual layer design is "susceptible to dust", so I think they're trying to say the older your Wii, the less chance of it playing.

Citation needed. Working on it.

Hats of!
03-09-2008, 3:18 AM
I can't belive that we Europeans get treated so badly. What have we ever done? In all of our World Wars we have killed ourselfs, it was AMERICA WHO BOMBED JAPAN! AARGH!

"HULK SMASH!"

Urser
03-09-2008, 3:20 AM
I can't belive that we Europeans get treated so badly. What have we ever done? In all of our World Wars we have killed ourselfs, it was AMERICA WHO BOMBED JAPAN! AARGH!

"HULK SMASH!"

Well I guess we sort of got our revenge considering like 1% of people who got Brawl can't run it.

Damn. I STILL DON'T CARE THAT WE GET MARIO KART EARLY! IT'S SHIT COMPARED TO BRAWL!

Hats of!
03-09-2008, 3:53 AM
No, although, it's always funny to beat the crap out of someone with Mario, Brawl is much better.

Mr Anorexia
03-09-2008, 4:37 AM
2.5 more hours you guys!

Urser
03-09-2008, 4:39 AM
2.5 more hours you guys!

Oi, I need your Wii friend code so you can send me some snapshots of in-game. :mad:

notafan
03-09-2008, 7:37 AM
Me and some friends have been playing ours since midnight. It's worth every penny.

February Stars
03-09-2008, 7:57 AM
I can't belive that we Europeans get treated so badly. What have we ever done? In all of our World Wars we have killed ourselfs, it was AMERICA WHO BOMBED JAPAN! AARGH!

"HULK SMASH!"

Yup, and if Japan does give us brawl soon after, we'll bomb 'em again. :ahe:.

Anyway, on-topic. Brawl is going to be sweet. I ordered mine right before they reached cap at Gamestop. So, I'll be in there after work picking mine up and playing for a few hours. I'm totally excited for it.

And Urser, it'll be worth waiting for. Just, you know, breathe deep, everything will be okay. Calm blue ocean.

Shmuh
03-09-2008, 8:49 AM
Yeah Anorexia, gimme yer friend code. I'll add you when I'm arsed too. Same with Urser and everyone else cool, post them here.

Mr Anorexia
03-09-2008, 10:53 AM
0559-6435-5415 somebody play me

Urser
03-09-2008, 11:01 AM
0559-6435-5415 somebody play me

Will do!








































In 3 months.

Richard_Simmons
03-09-2008, 11:06 AM
I ordered this on Amazon a week ago, so it should be at my house in a few days.

Shmuh
03-09-2008, 11:07 AM
Friend Code:
1461 5867 9110

Brawl is pretty sweet so far. I waited in line for only 20 minutes (had to wade through some nerds), and got it for 56 bucks. The physics are a little different, but so far it's fucking awesome. Add me on wi-fi.

Mr Anorexia
03-09-2008, 11:44 AM
Friend Code:
1461 5867 9110

Brawl is pretty sweet so far. I waited in line for only 20 minutes (had to wade through some nerds), and got it for 56 bucks. The physics are a little different, but so far it's fucking awesome. Add me on wi-fi.
There was like 5 people, so I got in and out pretty quick.

Hawke
03-09-2008, 12:27 PM
I waited in line for 2 minutes and got the game for 54 bucks. Though I haven't played it yet because I needed to get it for my brother.

HappinessMan
03-09-2008, 2:20 PM
Brawl is awesome. I'm gonna post my FC in the FC thread, so lemme know if you wanna add me.

NVM
03-09-2008, 4:51 PM
It's really fucking good so far.
In ways it is Melee 1.5 but it improves in every single way.

Hawke
03-09-2008, 5:00 PM
I like it but subspace emssionary sucks (with 2 players). I doubt it's much better with one player.

Hopefully online will be better; but one question (this is not technically the right thread/forum but...) Whenever I try to go online with this game (or any wii game) I get error code 51031, and it says something like it can't connect to my router. Though in my settings the router is all there and fine, it just can't connect. I thought it was just I was too far away, but I tried with my DS in the same room and it connected just fine.

HappinessMan
03-09-2008, 6:58 PM
I really hope subspace will be more fun without my brother tagging along.

peteaboda1
03-09-2008, 7:43 PM
I played it at my friend's house today and it is pretty fun. The one complaint I have about it is in the co-op story mode, the camera follows the first player instead of zooming out when you are far apart, which has gotten frustrating and we died a couple of times because of it. Meta-Knight is awesome to play as though.

NVM
03-09-2008, 7:49 PM
Subspace is just usually just flat out not that good.
Co-Op Event and Stadium is great though.

And I can't get online my Wi-Fi has always hardly worked and it just won't connect I'm going to try and get an ether net adapter though.

TheMadCow
03-09-2008, 7:51 PM
I'm having some trouble though for some reason whenever i play online I experience some serious lag.. my internet seems to be fine, but whenever i play on brawl it seems to lag. Can anyone help? My friend told me something about wii ports and my wireless router but I'm not quite sure what to do.. thanks!

Hawke
03-09-2008, 7:55 PM
I eventually connected to online, but I couldn't find anyone to play with :\. Maybe because it's brand new (but I was assuming that means more people would be playing) But I tried like 5 times (until time ran out) and didn't get one person tonight. Do I have to wait in the character selection screen or the sandbag punching screen?

TheMadCow
03-09-2008, 7:57 PM
I eventually connected to online, but I couldn't find anyone to play with :\. Maybe because it's brand new (but I was assuming that means more people would be playing) But I tried like 5 times (until time ran out) and didn't get one person tonight. Do I have to wait in the character selection screen or the sandbag punching screen?

I know what you went through I did the same thing... it takes a while because it's only the first day it's out but if you keep trying eventually you might find 2-3 people to play with. You have to wait in the sandbag screen and eventually when players connect you'll see it. I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing lag as well or just me :/ It'd be better to find other people's Brawl FC's to play with.

Tempest
03-10-2008, 1:37 AM
I only played this for a couple hours today and I enjoyed it, but it was just me and 3 of my friends playing against each other. We eventually unlocked Marth and Ness simply through playing, but I found that I was once again drifting back towards Kirby. He kicks ass, the guide rates him a 5/10, fuck that.

Then I found Ike. Oh Ike, how do I love thee. Let me count the ways. I won like 5 straight as Ike, he's a fucking powerhouse. 6/10? I think the guide is a little wacky. I found him to be stronger than everyone but Ganondorf, but not nearly as slow. I was knocking people like Donkey Kong off with a side smash as low as 70% damage. His final smash kicks ass too, especially on open levels (Read: Not Snake's level).

Urser
03-10-2008, 1:40 AM
How about Sheik and Zelda? They were my mains for Melee and I need to know how good they are! :wail:

Tempest
03-10-2008, 1:43 AM
How about Sheik and Zelda? They were my mains for Melee and I need to know how good they are! :wail:

I only played as them once, but they're a pretty balanced combo. Zelda has basically NO reach, but her attacks are really strong if you can get in there and start wailing. Sheik is FAST. AS. FUCK. I couldn't hit her very much, and I was playing as goddamn Kirby. I didn't use her so I don't know how damaging her attacks are, but she is a fucking rocket. Think Captain Falcon on drugs.

Mr Anorexia
03-10-2008, 4:52 AM
How about Sheik and Zelda? They were my mains for Melee and I need to know how good they are! :wail:
They're almost exactly the same as they were in Melee.

The Muffin Man
03-10-2008, 9:56 AM
Is anyone else having friend problems? I have confirmed responses that say I was added as well but on my wii it just says awaiting confirmation? Anyone else? I have PMs that tell me we are both added.

Mr Anorexia
03-10-2008, 9:58 AM
Is anyone else having friend problems? I have confirmed responses that say I was added as well but on my wii it just says awaiting confirmation? Anyone else? I have PMs that tell me we are both added.
I added you. Want me to try to verse you?

The Muffin Man
03-10-2008, 11:38 AM
I added you. Want me to try to verse you?

Yeah Mr A it just says awaiting registration under you. Ill add you on AIM and well see if we can work this out. I would really love to have an online battle.

NVM
03-10-2008, 1:11 PM
My WiFi's pretty shotty but my code is 1891 0837 9746.

elsunchips
03-10-2008, 1:12 PM
add me gentlemen, I need someone to kick around.

Lag
03-10-2008, 1:24 PM
I actually grown a bit attacthed to Lucario. Mewtwo wasn't so bad in Melee and now that they've made some better specials such as a counter (which essentially makes any character good) I've gotten some good fights with him. Also the his power increasing with his damage is pretty cool too.

Meta Knight plays well although I haven't quite got the hang of him yet. Also the new gliding thing some characters have is hard to grasp at first.

Subspace Emmissary is ok although it gets annoying or tedious but the cinematics and the actual fights in it are fun/funny sometimes.
Also it's neat how they tell a whole story with no dialog wahtsoever.

Lance
03-10-2008, 1:31 PM
Got my friend code if anyone is in the mood.
6754-9813-6642-0697

TheMadCow
03-10-2008, 1:35 PM
added:
the muffin man
Penguin Of Death
happiness man
elsunchips
NLK4711
Lag
Mr anorexia
shmuh

NVM
03-10-2008, 1:37 PM
Got my friend code if anyone is in the mood.
6754-9813-6642-0697

That's your wii code.
Games are seperate.

Fugga
03-10-2008, 2:16 PM
Pwned most of my friends so far. If u add me send me a PM so i know to add you too. 3995 6191 6445

Far
03-10-2008, 4:14 PM
Can anyone tell what playing as Pokemon Trainer is like?

elsunchips
03-10-2008, 4:16 PM
takes a lot of time to get used to since there are strength, speed, and move changes... I mainly use Squirtle.

February Stars
03-10-2008, 4:28 PM
Can anyone tell what playing as Pokemon Trainer is like?

He's unique.

You have squirtle, ivysaur, and charizard. He's definitely got his ups and downs. Charizard, while packing quite the punch, is slower than the others. Squirtle has very little good attacks, although his rebound sort of move (you're typical up+b) is great for recovery, surf. Ivysaur is pretty good overall. I haven't really played with him too much, I haven't been interested. However, if you change pokemon (down+b) it gets way too confusing.

Great game, online play is really laggy at times.

I have to say though, I'm sure others have noticed it too, doesn't it seem like the characters are so much slower now?

Still waiting to get Sonic and Wolf. Subspace Emissary is gay.

Tempest
03-10-2008, 4:38 PM
Just a little side-note as Pokemon Trainer. I didn't test it with Ivysaur or Charizard, but Squirtle can climb walls. If you hit the wall, then jump and aim back at the wall he'll grab it. He slides slowly, but if you keep jumping you can get up walls. Very useful on something like the Shadow Moses level.

NVM
03-10-2008, 4:39 PM
Great game, online play is really laggy at times.

I have to say though, I'm sure others have noticed it too, doesn't it seem like the characters are so much slower now?

Still waiting to get Sonic and Wolf. Subspace Emissary is gay.

The game seemed just a bit slower with Fox and Cap.Falcon but that's about it. If you want fast use Sonic but he basically has 1 move.(same with Olimar)

Just a little side-note as Pokemon Trainer. I didn't test it with Ivysaur or Charizard, but Squirtle can climb walls. If you hit the wall, then jump and aim back at the wall he'll grab it. He slides slowly, but if you keep jumping you can get up walls. Very useful on something like the Shadow Moses level.

Yeah Diddy, Zero Suit Samus, and Mario(to a lesser extent) do to.

elsunchips
03-10-2008, 4:42 PM
How do you unlock sonic?

February Stars
03-10-2008, 4:50 PM
How do you unlock sonic?

Complete the whole SubSpace emissary. Although, I'm sure there's one of those "Play x number of Brawls to unlock them.".

As for scaling walls, it's nothing new. It's wall jumping. It was possible in the original Super Smash Brothers, Melee, and Brawl. I know it's possible with fox, link, diddy, and mario.

Basically, to achieve it and see who can do it, you jump towards a wall, obviously facing it, and you immediately hit right to bounce off it. Although, I've done it, it seems not to go up unless you tilt the stick in the oblique or up direction.

Hawke
03-10-2008, 4:51 PM
Two questions:

1) Can you unlock more than one character at a time? Say I beat classic mode on easy without getting a game over with Link: Can I get luigi and Toon Link?

2) Do you have to register a friend's friend code and have your friend register your friend code to become valid, or can you just accept requests as on xbox?

February Stars
03-10-2008, 4:57 PM
Two questions:

1) Can you unlock more than one character at a time? Say I beat classic mode on easy without getting a game over with Link: Can I get luigi and Toon Link?

2) Do you have to register a friend's friend code and have your friend register your friend code to become valid, or can you just accept requests as on xbox?

I really can't answer either to be completely honest.

For the first, I don't believe you'd be able to unlock two or more characters at a time. It wasn't that way in the previous games, so I'm going to say no. It'd be a lot easier to do SubSpace Emissary anyway to unlock Luigi and others. Despite how horrible SubSpace Emissary is.

And I never added my friends friend code, he sent me a request. I do believe it's just the same as Xbox.

fisdunctional
03-10-2008, 10:47 PM
my code is 4296 2642 5308. Add me and give me your number

Awsumerthanyou
03-11-2008, 12:53 PM
Sorry for not posting earlier, I was too busy playing this fucking immaculate game.

I don't see why you guys think the SSE is so horrible. I mean, I've played better, but it certainly doesn't suck. And having owned only Nintendo consoles all my life (with the exception of the PSX and PS2) the cutscenes are orgasmic for me. Also is it just me, or does Wario seem exceptionally evil in the cutscenes? I know that he's usually a bad guy, but in SSE he seems less like an antagonist and more like an evil villan. Watching poor Lucas run through the rain while Wario laughs hysterically in the background was a very different experience from what I'm used to with Wario.

I really hope the Wi-Fi gets better. When I try to get a match "with anyone" nobody joins, yet I tried spectator mode and got a match instantly. I was able to play a "With friends" match, but it was laggier than any Wi-fi game I've ever played on the Wii, even with the person who I played in that match. As a matter of fact, the only lag I've ever experienced was in a Mario Strikers Charged ranked match, and only lasted for about two seconds. My friend and I played a two minute match and gave up after we tried fighting and the counter was only at 1:25 after TEN MINUTES.

As for fighters, I really can't figure out who my favorite is. This game just doesn't really have any bad characters. I always find myself trying to choose between Ike, Meta Knight, Pit, Wario, Pokemon Trainer, King Dedede and Lucas. The only characters I really don't like playing as are Captain Olimar and Diddy Kong. I was also surprised to find that I rather liked Yoshi when playing Co-op Subspace and forced to pick him because my friend begged to be Link.

I'll post my code when I get the chance, hopefully the Wi-fi will start working the way everyone who bought this game had expected it to.

Mr Anorexia
03-11-2008, 1:00 PM
How the fuck do you unlock Toon Link? None of the sites I go to are right.

Hawke
03-11-2008, 1:31 PM
Getting Toon Link is easy, you just have to complete classic mode with Link.

Edit: Some say you have to beat subspace first.

Shmuh
03-11-2008, 2:06 PM
Yes, I just got Toon Link. You have to beat Subspace first, then clear classic mode with any character.

OR, clear subspace, then go back to the forest level or whatever and find him there.

NVM
03-11-2008, 2:56 PM
I really hope the Wi-Fi gets better. When I try to get a match "with anyone" nobody joins, yet I tried spectator mode and got a match instantly. I was able to play a "With friends" match, but it was laggier than any Wi-fi game I've ever played on the Wii, even with the person who I played in that match. As a matter of fact, the only lag I've ever experienced was in a Mario Strikers Charged ranked match, and only lasted for about two seconds. My friend and I played a two minute match and gave up after we tried fighting and the counter was only at 1:25 after TEN MINUTES.



I'll post my code when I get the chance, hopefully the Wi-fi will start working the way everyone who bought this game had expected it to.

The WiFi isn't because of Brawl is because of NWFC being shitty.
They weren't able to handle people actually playing online so thats why it's laggy and hopefully it'd clear up in a few weeks.

Source. (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/11/error-code-85010-nintendo-wi-fi-connection-smashed/)

CreamScreamer
03-11-2008, 3:47 PM
I beat the SSE last night and just got my last character, Jigglypuff, who's basically fucking useless, but I love this game so much.

I posted my FC in the topic in the sub-forum, so add me please so we can play.

ThePopeofPie
03-11-2008, 6:13 PM
Went to Gametraders yesterday in Australia

GOD DAM JUNE JUNE

This is just annoying now that 80% of people on this thread have the game

Hopefully MArioKart will hold me off till then
But thats still a month away

Better do my homework then

I_Smell
03-11-2008, 7:06 PM
Someone in College told me today you could get cartoon Link. I got excited thinking it was the EXCUUUUUSE ME PRINCESS one. Sadly, it's not =(

Seriously, I don't know anyone who's gonna buy this game and I'm on a games dev course. It seems to just be people on the internet.

Matterialize
03-11-2008, 9:49 PM
Thread properly renamed since it's released. Discussion oughta be more about the game itself rather than just updates.

SLjimbolian
03-11-2008, 11:29 PM
Ugh, I was afraid of this. Nintendo's still fairly new in online gaming, so I expected them to have server issues with a shitload of people logging on during the launch. I'm hoping Nintendo releases a quick fix soon.

Richard_Simmons
03-12-2008, 12:16 AM
Just got it today, and you were wrong: SSE is awesome. And Snake kicks ass.

Urser
03-12-2008, 1:02 AM
*waits*

Screw it. I'm importing. Wii Freeloader and US Brawl work together. :hmm:

Fugga
03-12-2008, 7:09 PM
As for fighters, I really can't figure out who my favorite is. This game just doesn't really have any bad characters. I always find myself trying to choose between Ike, Meta Knight, Pit, Wario, Pokemon Trainer, King Dedede and Lucas. The only characters I really don't like playing as are Captain Olimar and Diddy Kong. I was also surprised to find that I rather liked Yoshi when playing Co-op Subspace and forced to pick him because my friend begged to be Link.

WTF? you can play as King Dedede but not diddy kong? i think he's the worst. the only time i lost to my friend was when i used King Dedede

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meTalmessiah
03-12-2008, 7:18 PM
My favorites are Wolf, Ike and Sonic. Sonic is ridiculously fast, Ike is ridiculously powerful and Wolf is somewhere in the middle of those two. I'm a classic Shiek player, but hot damn, Sonic is my new boy.

Hawke
03-12-2008, 7:34 PM
Why is that every time you verse a character to get them they are rediculously hard? I had to battle Luigi 4 times before getting him and I just failed to Wolf. They weren't that hard in Melee.


Also fuck Subspace Emissary. That last level sucked so much ass.

PshSam
03-12-2008, 7:35 PM
I found Toon link to be devastatingly good.

PshSam
03-12-2008, 7:35 PM
Why is that every time you verse a character to get them they are rediculously hard? I had to battle Luigi 4 times before getting him and I just failed to Wolf. They weren't that hard in Melee.


Also fuck Subspace Emissary. That last level sucked so much ass.

Maybe you're just terrible?