Bands You Love To Hate

[exetra]

But Nickelback are the absolute pinnacle of the hard rock genre! Everything else from here on is downhill.

[Crabstick]

Karnivool/Birds of Tokyo are amazing. The singer who's in both of those bands is awesome.

Gyroscope and the Living End are both still decent.

[exetra]

Jebediah were a pretty badass band too but I think a lot of kids forget that Australian rock used to be more than shitty generic harcore and emo with nothing new to offer.

[hollywood_maggot]

I think alot of kids forget that Australian rock is still more than that. =/

[exetra]

Sorry, but finding a new Australian band that actually breaks a little bit of new ground is a needle-in-haystack job.

[Laurence]

I'd like to think Architecture in Helsinki does to some degree. Hardly the rock genre, though.

[Iiro]

I think it's safe to say that Australia as a whole sucks immense amounts of ass.

[Iiro]

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[krayzie]

First of all there is..... Tokio Hotel - a german band (i'm from germany and hearing them in the radio is a pain in the ass..) the guitar player can just play 3 chords. and the guy who calls himself a singer... he looks like a bad dressed woman wearing make up thats even worse (he's got voted the worst dressed women even though he's a guy).

i also love to hate the black eyed peas, in my opinion its just bad music.

and even though they're no bands, i really hate all the new/upcoming commercial hip-hip artists. in a group of 1000 rappers, there might be about 997 who are actually only talking about their cars, their money and shooting someone else. just the other 3 ones really know how to rhyme and write songs wich make sense.

[CKY_BamFan]

My Chemical Romance. Screamo crap.
Jonas Brothers. No support in their music. No bass support.
Hannah Montana. It's a state, retard.

[CKY_BamFan]

Sorry, but finding an Australian band that actually breaks a little bit of new ground is a needle-in-haystack job.
Wait, isn't AC/DC from Australia?

[Cakelord]

Gyroscope and the Living End are both still decent.

Gyroscope played a concert at a school. Lest year. If that's not lame I don't know what is.

[exetra]

Wait, isn't AC/DC from Australia?

What has AC/DC done in the last 5 years that breaks any new ground? You should try reading things some time.

[Cakelord]

What has AC/DC done in the last 5 years that breaks any new ground? You should try reading things some time.

AC/DC suck really hard. Releasing the same thing over and over again and being successful isn't new, it's lame. They aren't the first band to cater to bogans, either.

[hoopymo]

He said new ground breaking music, not music thats all the same since the 70's, and this is from an AC/DC fan.

[Quadros]

AC/DC suck really hard. Releasing the same thing over and over again and being successful isn't new, it's lame. They aren't the first band to cater to bogans, either.

And on that note I'm back to being pissed off about the fact that Muse exist.

[exetra]

They aren't the first band to cater to bogans, either.

Cold Chisel, bruz :rock:

[WongSifu]

My Chemical Romance. Screamo crap.

They aren't similar to screamo at all.

[hollywood_maggot]

I think it's safe to say that Australia as a whole sucks immense amounts of ass.

We're still better than America and Britain.

Actually, I'll say I absolutely fucking hate AC/DC.

[CKY_BamFan]

What has AC/DC done in the last 5 years that breaks any new ground? You should try reading things some time.
Make a new album: Black Ice?

[exetra]

Black Ice is exactly the same as all their other albums only a little worse you stupid fuck. TRY READING THINGS SOME TIME.

In case you're fucking thick:
finding a new Australian band that actually breaks a little bit of new ground is a needle-in-haystack job.

[hollywood_maggot]

Well, it's not really, because I just pointed out a good chunk. =/

[exetra]

You posted like 2 bands that are actually any good out of hundereds of Australian bands. Nice chunk.

[hollywood_maggot]

I posted more than that, and besides, the same can be said for any country. There are thousands of bands within each country, only a handful are good and original.

The Butterfly Effect
Cog (I personally don't like them, but I can see why people would)
Karnivool (probably the best band in Aus right now)
Birds of Tokyo (same vocalist as Karnivool, but pop instead of prog/hard rock)
Jerrico
Bushido
Mammal
Dead Letter Circus
Resist the Thought (they're actually sound pretty generic on their myspace, but their fantastic live)

[WongSifu]

You posted like 2 bands that are actually any good out of hundereds of Australian bands. Nice chunk.

That's like the actual ratio of good music to horrible music though.

[exetra]

That's like the actual ratio of good music to horrible music though.


If by that you mean "ratio of Metal to Genres that don't blow ass" then yeah that's pretty much correct.

[WongSifu]

If by that you mean "ratio of Metal to Genres that don't blow ass" then yeah that's pretty much correct.

I don't really listen to metal, if that's what you're trying to imply.

[Idioteque]

Music sucks.

[Pelican Man]

Nah, music's pretty good. Music FANS suck.

[Hats of!]

Music fans hardly sucks. What sucks is sub-cultures devoted to music.

[Pelican Man]

Let's stop the bickering and all just agree that it's Nirvana who sucks.

[hollywood_maggot]

Agreed.

[Cakelord]

Gyroscope are worse.

[Cakelord]

Gyroscope are the worse band I've ever heard in my entire life and I wish cancer upon them.

[exetra]

But Kurt Cobain is the greatest man who ever lived! R.I.P.

[Allen]

Let's stop the bickering and all just agree that it's Nirvana who sucks.

Agreed. Had some decent stuff, like In Untero didn't completely blow, but as a whole, yeah, overrated bullshit shitty music that a lot of fucking idiots like.

[Raxo]

You guys just don't understand the lyrics. They penetrate into the soul.
nigger lolz

[Valkyrie]

Penetrate deep into the soul...

[exetra]

more like the butt lolol

[Cakelord]

Going in deep and hard.

[Extreme-Winz]

What's this nonsense, hating Nirvana?

Go where the hate should be, Bring Me the Horizon!

[exetra]

But BMTH are the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

[hellfreak007]

my chemical romance, slipknot, fall out boy, green day, nirvana, and yes. i hate the Retards Attempting Poetry *RAP*

[TheHighwaySong]

my chemical romance, slipknot, fall out boy, green day, nirvana, and yes. i hate the Retards Attempting Poetry *RAP*
That acronym for RAP is really smart. Did you come up with it yourself? :roffle:

[exetra]

hellfreak007 I love all the bands you mentioned and also rap. What now, bitch?

[WongSifu]

i hate the Retards Attempting Poetry *RAP*

Thanks for the note in asterisk. I would have never been able to figure out what you were trying to mean by Retards Attempting Poetry. Did you know that rap is also one letter away from crap? Neat stuff.

[exetra]

Yeah and rock is one letter different to cock which means it's gay.

[spaj]

U2, The Beatles, Guns 'n' Roses and Pink Floyd.

[Laurence]

U2, The Beatles, Guns 'n' Roses and Pink Floyd.

Yes, no, yes, no.

Why The Beatles and Pink Floyd, might I ask?

[Ercoledi]

I find hating well known and liked bands is a great conversation starter.

[Laurence]

I thought that might be the reason but I didn't want to jump to conclusions.

[Pelican Man]

I find that if I pretend the only bands I like are ones with names I've made up and thus don't actually exist, people respect me more.

[exetra]

U2, The Beatles, Guns 'n' Roses and Pink Floyd.

all of those bands are about as gay as you.

[Cakelord]

U2, The Beatles, Guns 'n' Roses and Pink Floyd.

The Beatles were popular due to exposure (As is all pop music.), U2 are pretentious cockbags with no musical training, Guns 'n' Roses has one of the world's worst vocalists, and Pink Floyd is painfully mediocre. And everything by all of those bands is fairly generic and uninteresting.

[Cakelord]

We should focus our hate on Slipknot one of the most overrated bands ever in the history of relatively heavy music. Ooooh, listen to Slipknot's drummer, he's got the fastest playing in the world or something! By how many milliseconds? And does he have any sense of rhythm or musicality? Well, he is quite capable of hitting one of his drums pretty fast so that must make up for it. And those masks, don't get me started on them. According to their mentally challenged fans they wear them to avoid being harassed by their mentally challenged fans whom they openly degrade. I can understand that, if anyone with good taste in music saw one of Slipknot's seemingly infinite members then there'd be some assault happening. But what about people catching them backstage or going in and out of recording studios or at one of their side projects? Yeah, the masks are just a retarded gimmick. And how many members do they need? Realistically all a metal band needs is 2 guitarists playing different parts, a bassist, a percussionist that isn't horrible are overrated , and a vocalist. Since Slipknot is simple as hell they only seem to need one guitarist from what I've heard, and they tune down so low that they may as well be playing bass, and you can't tell what the fuck the vocalist is trying to express because he's got no emotion in his cookie-monster voice so get rid of him, and all Slipknot needs is two guys. Anyone with even basic skill could literally outperform Slipknot on their own.

[Cakelord]

And their song writing is a bag full of floppy prehensile dicks.

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[exetra]

But Slipknot is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

[Laurence]

triple post, wall of text

Jesus dude, at least paragraph or something. No one cares enough about Slipknot to warrant all of that.

[The_Solipsist]

My hate of Papa Roach far exceeds the hate I have for other bands.

[Cakelord]

I hate virtually everything in general.

[exetra]

My hate of Papa Roach far exceeds the hate I have for other bands.

But Papa Roach is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

[Petey2112]

I recently grown a new hate for Lil Wayne. I used to just ignore him when he was just rapping, but this whole rock album garbage is too much. I guess I also cant stand him for his asshole 'greatest person ever' ego.

[Hats of!]

Pink Floyd is painfully mediocre.

Somehow I don't really think that you have listened to Pink Floyd, but rather to the Johnny Rottens out there telling you that bands like PF are just middle-class boring and - as you said - painfully mediocre.
It's okay to hate a band like Pink Floyd, but saying that they are something they're not is just stupid.

Let's see, mediocre means "something of moderate or low quality, value, ability, or performance". Firstly, Pink Floyd is far from low quality. Their recordings were, by quality, top-notch. Value, well, a Westlife album is of low value, Dark Side of the Moon isn't. Ability? Sorry, but their guitarist, David Gilmour is always put on top guitarist lists. And performance, well, Pink Floyd is amongst the most popular live acts in the history of live acts.

Yes, I am extremely bias in this, I am a Floydian. And I don't mind you thinking whatever you want about them. Just hate them for a factual reason, like they are pretentious or something. I mean, I would never hate Sex Pistols for being "slow".

[RatchetSly]

Jesus dude, at least paragraph or something. No one cares enough about Slipknot to warrant all of that.
Sadly, you'd be surprised. :/

[WiseOldTabbyCat]

Dragonforce. I see 12 and 13 year olds going apeshit for this band, but fail to see how poor lyrics, subliminally fast and souless playing contribute to good music. All their songs sound almost exactly the same and they are terrible. Herman Li spent all his youth learning to play as fast as possible without learning to make a decent melody. Listen to "Trail of Broken Hearts" for the pure epitomy of why this band is TERRIBLE.

I hate Drum 'n' Bass and modern R'n'B. R'n'B was once upon a time wonderous stuff, when it was known as Rhythm and Blues in the 1960's. Please could someone explain to me how these practices were forgotton and Rhythm and Blues became Rock 'n' Ballad?

[exetra]

But Dragonforce is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

Also, dnb kicks ass and you suck ass for hating it.

[Weirdusername]

But Slipknot is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

Agreed. Their music is so brootal.

[Metalhead636]

But BMTH are the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

But Slipknot is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

But Papa Roach is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

But Dragonforce is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!


Hey...




Recently, it has been The Ramones. I don't give a shit what they pioneered, their music sounds like balls. I think all the songs sound the same and the singer is like a retard with a microphone. Is it just that I am hearing the wrong songs?

[hollywood_maggot]

Kings of Leon...I actually really liked their new album at first. Then the radio and the rest of society happened. Argh.

[exetra]

But Kings of Leon are the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

[WiseOldTabbyCat]

But Kings of Leon are the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

This is getting boring.

[Chaosdragon94]

Three Days Grace, Hedley, Maroon 5, Nickleback, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Faber Drive, The Jonas Brothers

[exetra]

I love all those bands, Chaosdragon94. What now, bitch?

The Jonas Brothers are especially excellent.

[Quadros]

This isn't really a 'band' that I love to hate but I fucking despise GirlsAloud. Not for their music, there are worse pop acts out there, but for what they represent and the attitude they put across towards music. Here is a group whose members each separately entered a reality TV competition to become 'pop idols'. Not to make music, not to share their creativity, not to bring something new and interesting to the world of music forged through camaraderie and chemistry and mutual evolution with their fellow musicians. They literally did it just to become rich and famous. They're picked and paraded publicly in the most cosmetic and consumeristic way possible and are guaranteed fans and success from the TV show alone without having to really work for it or earn it. They simply got popped straight into phenomenal success from the off in a way that pissed all over the work of hundreds and thousands of great acts. Acts which spent years working the scene, pouring their futures and hopes and dreams into chasing even a fraction of the fame these bints attained so effortlessly. Acts who spent years playing empty rooms and sleeping on floors and in cars for the dream of getting what Girls Aloud just walked into. and what's the name of the very first song they released, the song that represented the monumental injustice and disrespect this group personified?

'Sound of the Underground'.

Fuck them. Fuck them forever.

[barcs]

Nickelback, MCR, Creed, and one that I am conflicted about, U2. Ok, you know, I really liked some of their 80s - early 90s stuff. And I do like a lot of the benefits Bono participates in, and Im glad he is giving some of his obscene wealth to people that deserve it. But he just comes off as the biggest tool ever. And the Edge? Fuck you, THE EDGE.

[Quadros]

Yeah i pretty much hate U2, even the genuinely great things Bono has done seem to have been done just to serve his ego and maybe as an attempt to legitimise a statue of him (paid by by himself or preferably out of dublin's tax budget) on Grafton street. The cockend.

[DoctorButt]

I hate bands like Blink182, Sum 41, Good Charlotte, all those bands that where good years ago, and suck now.

[Quadros]

Sum 41 actually got way better after All Killer, No Filler in my oh-so-humble opinion. And Good Charlotte were never, ever good.

[barcs]

Yeah i pretty much hate U2, even the genuinely great things Bono has done seem to have been done just to serve his ego and maybe as an attempt to legitimise a statue of him (paid by by himself or preferably out of dublin's tax budget) on Grafton street. The cockend.

Wait, wait, wait. Back the fuck up. There is a STATUE of him in DUBLIN? Wow. How incredibly arrogant! Does he not remember he had a little fag-o-licious ponytail in the With or Without You video? And he just STOOD there with a guitar and never PLAYED IT? AGHH!

Is a cockend like bookends but with cocks?

[Quadros]

Argh, no he doesn't have one YET, but I bet he wants one and that's the reason he does all the charity stuff. That and his own ego. And a cockend is the end of a cock. For further details on what a cockend is, see here (http://forums.explosm.net/member.php?u=53664).

[Petey2112]

This isn't really a 'band' that I love to hate but I fucking despise GirlsAloud. Not for their music, there are worse pop acts out there, but for what they represent and the attitude they put across towards music. Here is a group whose members each separately entered a reality TV competition to become 'pop idols'. Not to make music, not to share their creativity, not to bring something new and interesting to the world of music forged through camaraderie and chemistry and mutual evolution with their fellow musicians. They literally did it just to become rich and famous. They're picked and paraded publicly in the most cosmetic and consumeristic way possible and are guaranteed fans and success from the TV show alone without having to really work for it or earn it. They simply got popped straight into phenomenal success from the off in a way that pissed all over the work of hundreds and thousands of great acts. Acts which spent years working the scene, pouring their futures and hopes and dreams into chasing even a fraction of the fame these bints attained so effortlessly. Acts who spent years playing empty rooms and sleeping on floors and in cars for the dream of getting what Girls Aloud just walked into. and what's the name of the very first song they released, the song that represented the monumental injustice and disrespect this group personified?

'Sound of the Underground'.

Fuck them. Fuck them forever.

That was beautiful Quadros. And surprisingly enough I havent heard a thing about this Girls Aloud thing, is it a UK show?

[Quadros]

Yeah, it's a UK thing, but judging from their success here they may reach other places soon. Throw rocks at them when they arrive.

[barcs]

Argh, no he doesn't have one YET, but I bet he wants one and that's the reason he does all the charity stuff. That and his own ego. And a cockend is the end of a cock. For further details on what a cockend is, see here (http://forums.explosm.net/member.php?u=53664).

FANTASTIC! :D

Though now I would like to have some illicit bronze bookends.

[Hats of!]

I really can't stand U2 either. But that's not because Bono (well, I can't stand him either), it's rather the music that dwells in it's on supposedly greatness.

[Laurence]

Ah, you know who else I fucking hate? Lady Gaga. She's so ridiculously shit it's almost difficult to comprehend. It's like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and some hooker with gonorrhea had a musical lovechild. Not solely, though, because the songs themselves suck, but the lyrics are some of the worst I've ever heard.

You might be aware that her song 'Poker Face' contains the wonderfully insightful lyric, "I'm loving with my muffin". You might not, however, be aware that her new single, 'Lovegame', contains the instant-classic lyrics, "I am educated in sex, yes" and the ultimately more brilliant, "I wanna take a ride on your disco stick" - as a chorus! Her sheer sluttiness is difficult to comprehend and, while I never thought it possible, could quite possibly match up to the equally shit Pussycat Dolls.

And after all this she goes around in the media and blathers about how she is "married to her art" and all this crap and then spouts drivel for lyrics that pretty much set back the cause of feminism at least a few decades? What an absolute joke.

Oh yeah, and I almost forgot, she used to be a stripper. Big surprise.

[Idioteque]

You might be aware that her song 'Poker Face' contains the wonderfully insightful lyric, "I'm loving with my muffin". Y

It's actually "I'm bluffin' with my muffin" which she so delicately described in Rolling Stone as meaning her "pussy has a pokerface"

I totally agree by the way. What a dumbass skank.

[hoopymo]

It's actually "I'm bluffin' with my muffin" which she so delicately described in Rolling Stone as meaning her "pussy has a pokerface"

I totally agree by the way. What a dumbass skank.

I honestly don't know what the fuck that means.

Also yeah the part that pisses me off the most about her is how overplayed the shit is, like it wasn't bad enough in the first place.

[Astronaut]

Ah, you know who else I fucking hate? Lady Gaga. She's so ridiculously shit it's almost difficult to comprehend. It's like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and some hooker with gonorrhea had a musical lovechild. Not solely, though, because the songs themselves suck, but the lyrics are some of the worst I've ever heard.

Oh yeah, and I almost forgot, she used to be a stripper. Big surprise.

I've never heard her music but sounds like I want to stab her in the throat already. (I have sattelite radio and I don't watch tv) Pretty much because of "music" like this.

[Laurence]

For the uninitiated:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ5uCfwK6qw

Apologies in advance.

[Astronaut]

I made it to the chorus then before I could throw my main speaker, i had the foresight to turn it off.

[Quadros]

Lady Gaga rant.

The thing that pissed me off about her (as well as her being a talentless skank with a fashion sense which represents what the timewarp would be if it was a person, and a twat) is that she was announced as 'The Pop Queen of 2009'. In December 2008. Fuck off you over marketed pretentious bint.

[Oofie]

Bono may be a self righteous dick but at least he does some good. I'd rather have more people like him and less useless faggots like Paris Hilton in the world.

Wait, wait, wait. Back the fuck up. There is a STATUE of him in DUBLIN?

You're a fucking retard.

Also I'm agreeing about Lady Gaga, her 'I'm so non-conformist and underground' act is wearing thin.

[Cakelord]

Ability? Sorry, but their guitarist, David Gilmour is always put on top guitarist lists.

Have you ever heard of Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Pettruci or Frank Zappa? Those lists are made to tell sheep what's good and what's not, and if they're not for marketing, which is what you probably planned to use as your rebuttal, they're just oppinion. When it comes to guitarists they all have their own style, so you can't compare them, but in terms of technical skill and virtuosity Gilmour is average as hell.

And performance, well, Pink Floyd is amongst the most popular live acts in the history of live acts.

People are incredibly retarded, so if you're that popular you're probably doing something wrong. Your theory would also make Michael Jackson more talented than every member of Deep Purple put together.

[Cakelord]

The thing that pissed me off about her (as well as her being a talentless skank with a fashion sense which represents what the timewarp would be if it was a person, and a twat) is that she was announced as 'The Pop Queen of 2009'. In December 2008. Fuck off you over marketed pretentious bint.

More evidence that pop as a whole is primarily marketing.

[Tweek]

Are you saying that Michael Jackson isn't more talented than Deep Purple?

[Laurence]

People are incredibly retarded, so if you're that popular you're probably doing something wrong. Your theory would also make Michael Jackson more talented than every member of Deep Purple put together.

Oh for christ's sake, just because something is popular doesn't mean it isn't good music. Stop being such a humongous twat.

[Cakelord]

Oh for christ's sake, just because something is popular doesn't mean it isn't good music. Stop being such a humongous twat.

What I'm trying to say is that success isn't a measurement of talent.

[Hats of!]

Have you ever heard of Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Pettruci or Frank Zappa? Those lists are made to tell sheep what's good and what's not, and if they're not for marketing, which is what you probably planned to use as your rebuttal, they're just oppinion. When it comes to guitarists they all have their own style, so you can't compare them, but in terms of technical skill and virtuosity Gilmour is average as hell.
Yes I have heard of Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, John Pettruci and Frank Zappa. I am a proghead after all. All of them (but Zappa) is amazingly overrated. They don't play their own style, they are just repeating themselves over and over again. Gilmour, on the other hand, with his blues-esque guitar was utterly unique for progressive rock at that point.

I don't go by lists really, I just wanted people who aren't familiar with the progressive rock movement to understand why Gilmour is great. My favourite guitarist is Steve Hackett, and he's never on any list.

People are incredibly retarded, so if you're that popular you're probably doing something wrong. Your theory would also make Michael Jackson more talented than every member of Deep Purple put together.

I was actually referring to rock 'n' roll live acts, which Deep Purple scores fairly high.

My problem isn't that you doesn't like Pink Floyd, just that you refer them as mediocre.

[Pelican Man]

Have you ever heard of Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, John Pettruci or Frank Zappa?

Everyone who's ever actually taken an interest in guitar has heard of at least the first 3, you pretentious twat.

[Laurence]

What I'm trying to say is that success isn't a measurement of talent.

And what I'm saying is that if something is successful it doesn't mean you automatically shit on it. That is pretentiousness at it's very finest. And Pink Floyd aren't considered one of the greatest bands just because they were bloody successful, it's because they released one, if not two, perhaps three of the best albums ever made.

As far as I can tell you're mostly dismissing them on the fact that other people think they're good, which is really quite ridiculous. You've yet to mention any reason why they're mediocre other than their popularity.

[Ikin]

The Beatles were popular due to exposure (As is all pop music.)

But they became exposed because they made good music. And of course pop becomes popular due to exposure. That's why it's called popular music.

[Arthenon]

I hate bands like Blink182, Sum 41, Good Charlotte, all those bands that where good years ago, and suck now.
Good Charlotte started up about a mile from my parents house. Saw them live, they were actually the first band I've seen live if I remember correctly. Weren't terrible to an extent, not something I'd listen to.

[Quadros]

More evidence that pop as a whole is primarily marketing.

Really at this point that's like adding 'and he didn't like British fashion very much' to the evidence that Hitler was a twat.

[Chris-Silver]

Ok lets get one thing straight

The jonas brothers are right wing christain douchebags who sold out and have become tools of the Disney corporation.

ALSO

Nickleback sucks dick

[SLjimbolian]

More evidence that pop as a whole is primarily marketing.

Well duh, look at the name.

[Pelican Man]

Ok lets get one thing straight

The jonas brothers are right wing christain douchebags who sold out and have become tools of the Disney corporation.

ALSO

Nickleback sucks dick

But that's two things!

YOU LIED

[Metalhead636]

Ok lets get one thing straight

The jonas brothers are right wing christain douchebags who sold out and have become tools of the Disney corporation.

ALSO

Nickleback sucks dick

That has only been stated, like, a million times in this thread.



And by the way, how did they sell out?

[exetra]

The jonas brothers are right wing christain douchebags who sold out and have become tools of the Disney corporation

But The Jonas Brothers are the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

[hollywood_maggot]

Okay, exetra, haven't you heard the golden rule of comedy where you can only repeat a joke a total of three times? Not funny anymore.

On Lady Gaga, to be honest, I don't keep track of her public profile or anything, I've just heard a couple of her songs a couple of times each. I have to admit, they were catchy as hell and I enjoyed them.

The band that started a concert for Triple J at 5 is now a band I hate. Don't know their name, but the music was craptastic.

[exetra]

But Lady Gaga is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

[Hats of!]

I still think it's funny.

[Cakelord]

Hey, did you guys know that my opinion cannot be debated because it exist within my mind? That's metaphysics for ya :smug:

[Cakelord]

And exetra is always funny.

[ChuckNorris]

I hate kings of leon.After hearing Sex on fire so many times it drives me up the wall.

[exetra]

But Kings Of Leon are the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

[Cakelord]

If you were to have sex on fire it'd be pretty hot though. And it'd probably hurt, too. But some people are into that.

[Pelican Man]

Okay, exetra, haven't you heard the golden rule of comedy where you can only repeat a joke a total of three times? Not funny anymore.

But exetra is the pinnacle of the metal genre!

[Triple J]

I follow the saying "It's become mainstream to hate mainstream."

I wonder how many of you write off music just because it's popular. Fame doesn't always mean a bad thing, and there are lots of occurrences where it hasn't affected the sound but people are convinced that they are 'selling out'.

Unlike those people, I judge the music based on the music and nothing else. I think my least favorite band is evanescence. The singer may be talented, but I've never felt the heart behind the lyrics. They feel very soulless to me. It's funny because I typically enjoy grungy bands with strong females. I don't feel she believes in what she's singing. That's really the only thing that would make me not like a band. As long as I feel they believe in what they are doing, then I will give them a chance.

[exetra]

But Evanescence is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

[Ikin]

But Evanescence is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

Seriously, cut it out.

[Pelican Man]

Seriously, cut it out.

If it bothers you that much, report him. If he's breaking rules the mods will ban him. If you're just an unfunny twat, he'll be allowed to continue on and you'll at least know that the mods don't share your opinion.

[Hats of!]

I've been thinking about three bands recently which I really can't stand. And they are Radiohead, Coldplay and Muse. They are just too much of "look at us, we are artistic".

Don't get me wrong. I love art rock. Everything from Krautrock, to (early) Roxy Music to all these underground stuff. But these guys were back in the late 60's and early 70's. What Radio, Cold and Muse does is hardly that original. There have been bunch of sophisticated art rock around doing pretty much their type of music.

It seems at occasion like their "edge" is that they mixes progrock with alternative rock with post-punk etc. and etc. But this type of mixes is hardly new. They go back to the beginning of the British Invasion with bands like The Beatles and The Who bringing in hundreds of different styles.

It isn't really the type of music, just the attitude they have. And their fans, the (Thom Yorke is so amazing!) mindless slaves... (Thom is also a very, very douchebaggish way to spell Tom).

[hollywood_maggot]

If it bothers you that much, report him. If he's breaking rules the mods will ban him. If you're just an unfunny twat, he'll be allowed to continue on and you'll at least know that the mods don't share your opinion.

What? He's probably not breaking the rules, apart from maybe spamming, but I doubt it'll be taken that way. It's just that the joke is old now. Very old. That guy isn't the unfunny twat, Exetra is.

[Cakelord]

But Exetra is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

[Quadros]

Na, Exetra's still funny, you guys never were. Also Hats, if you're calling Radiohead 'art rock' and think they're making their music to show off and be all 'look how artistic we are' then you fully misunderstand them. I don't listen to them or particularly like their music but I respect them for the profound honesty they bring to their music.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Obviously you have not heard a lot of Muse Hatty. If you listen too other stuff of there's it's not as you describe "artsy". Yes they have an experimental and not very good album. But look at such songs as Plug in Baby, Hysteria and sing for absolution.

[vampyrette]

gypsy "punk" bands. If you've ever heard them, i just have to say, it's a miracle you're still alive.

oh, and shitty emo bands

[Hats of!]

I actually don't mind the bands type of music (as I noted). But rather the image about them. And sure, Muse may not always be experimental and all, yes, but they do have that sort of "aura" of artistic greatness. Let's face it, they are bloody damn called "Muse". Muse, if you don't know, it's the name of an abstract being that gives artists inspiration. Compared to the 70's art rock bands which called themselves stuff like Yes.

[Idioteque]

Na, Exetra's still funny, you guys never were. Also Hats, if you're calling Radiohead 'art rock' and think they're making their music to show off and be all 'look how artistic we are' then you fully misunderstand them. I don't listen to them or particularly like their music but I respect them for the profound honesty they bring to their music.

If Quadros isn't being sarcastic, this.

It's less being artsy and more about expressing themselves however they want.

[Cakelord]

If Quadros isn't being sarcastic, this.

It's less being artsy and more about expressing themselves however they want.

But isn't art about expressing yourself?

[Idioteque]

But isn't art about expressing yourself?

I meant being arty and pretentious just to get hipsters to like you. Radiohead doesn't do that.

[Chris-Silver]

Coldplay annoy me and have no variety in there music.

[Cakelord]

Oh, look at me, I'm Idioteque! Radiohead doesn't is soo artistic and I'm totally not a hipster! Really!

Seriously, you're probably the biggest fucking hipster on these forums. And I wasn't aware hipsters liked Vivaldi, either.

[javaD]

Hmmm Puddle of Mudd, Nickelback, U2, and Guns n' Roses

[exetra]

Seriously, you're probably the biggest fucking hipster on these forums. And I wasn't aware hipsters liked Vivaldi, either.

Calm down baby, he wasn't even referring to you.

[Tweek]

gypsy "punk" bands. If you've ever heard them, i just have to say, it's a miracle you're still alive.

oh, and shitty emo bands
No way man gypsy punk and folk punk is awesome.

[Idioteque]

Seriously, you're probably the biggest fucking hipster on these forums. And I wasn't aware hipsters liked Vivaldi, either.

If I'm a hipster, you're a dumbass :thup:

Talk about an overreaction.
EDIT: Fuck me, if I get Explosmateer arguing in this thread...

[Raxo]

Idioteque is such a fucking hipster it's not even funny.

[Pelican Man]

What? He's probably not breaking the rules, apart from maybe spamming, but I doubt it'll be taken that way. It's just that the joke is old now. Very old. That guy isn't the unfunny twat, Exetra is.

It doesn't matter if you believe the joke is old, the content of his posts is an irrelevant topic to the thread at hand, so discussing it is moot. And if he's not breaking any rules, then you can't stop him and discussing it is, again, moot.

But Exetra is the pinnacle of the Metal genre!

That is so original and totally hasn't been done before, especially not on this very page!

[timbot]

It isn't really the type of music, just the attitude they have. And their fans, the (Thom Yorke is so amazing!) mindless slaves... (Thom is also a very, very douchebaggish way to spell Tom).
You're gonna bash him for his name? Really?


I actually don't mind the bands type of music (as I noted). But rather the image about them. And sure, Muse may not always be experimental and all, yes, but they do have that sort of "aura" of artistic greatness. Let's face it, they are bloody damn called "Muse". Muse, if you don't know, it's the name of an abstract being that gives artists inspiration. Compared to the 70's art rock bands which called themselves stuff like Yes.
Unless they're using Muse as a verb instead of a noun. And the same pretentious name argument could be used for Yes. Yes is the English word for showing agreement and support of something--for example, the band so named. Or Genesis? Genesis, the beginning of something, a creation. And, since they're in the Western world, the Biblical implications are unavoidable. Sounds at least as pretentious as Muse.

[hollywood_maggot]

(Thom is also a very, very douchebaggish way to spell Tom).

What? No...Thom is the correct shortening of Thomas, whereas Tom is short for Tomas.

Not that many people use it like that anymore, but it certainly isn't a douchebaggish way of spelling it.

[Hats of!]

What? No...Thom is the correct shortening of Thomas, whereas Tom is short for Tomas.

Not that many people use it like that anymore, but it certainly isn't a douchebaggish way of spelling it.
Yes it is a douchebaggish way of spelling it because we doesn't live in the 19th century any more. It would be as if I decided to call myself Fredduric instead of Fredrik (which happens to be my real name). Tom, unlike Thom, have become a name itself. And Thomas is usually shortened as Tom. Not many people may spell their name Fredduric, and I would look like an attention-seeking douchebag if I changed my name to it.

You're gonna bash him for his name? Really?
Yes. Yes I am. I'm gonna bash everyone for their names. Like you Timbot. Or should I say; Timcock? :lol:

Unless they're using Muse as a verb instead of a noun. And the same pretentious name argument could be used for Yes. Yes is the English word for showing agreement and support of something--for example, the band so named. Or Genesis? Genesis, the beginning of something, a creation. And, since they're in the Western world, the Biblical implications are unavoidable. Sounds at least as pretentious as Muse.
Actually, no. Just because a name has a intellectual basis, like Genesis, it's referring to the type of music they are playing. In Yes's case their music is positive and feels like a good ol' Yes. In Genesis case, well, they were inspired (at least to the beginning) by hymns and religion in their music. Like in their epic track "Supper's Ready" which is a narrative of the apocalypse.

Muse, however, do mean "an creative inspiration". Unlike the previous examples, Muse is like naming a band to "The Essence of Creativity". I'm not saying that there are bands out there with even more pretentious names (I can't think of any however). Most of my bands have nonsensical names that often refers to the style they're playing (at least the style they played in the beginning); like King Crimson (means Satan, and King Crimson is evil) or Pink Floyd (their first hit was about a crossdresser). Hell, another of my favourite bands is called Van Der Graaf Generator which is a completely intelligent name, sure, but it has nothing to do with music (it's even a misspelling).

To clarify. I'm not bashing at these bands because of them being "pretentious". I can't bash at someone for being pretentious when I'm a proghead. That would be like a punker yelling at someone for being angry. But that's not even my problem. It's the special unique aura that surrounds them. The whole "artistic" quality. I go to a fucking art school, so it's not that I have a problem with the art either.
It's the "we are so utterly unique"-part I dislike. The, "we can't even be placed in a certain genre, because we create music that hasn't ever been done before in this existence".

[hollywood_maggot]

So basically, people can't be individuals, they have to stick to what everyone else in society is doing? I think that makes you the douchbag. And I'm aware that Thomas is usually shortened to Tom, that's the case for myself. But there's nothing wrong with Thom.

[Oofie]

And I wasn't aware hipsters liked Vivaldi, either.

If you're using an artist (or composer, as the case may be) to promote a certain self image (which you are, i.e. better than a hipster because you listen to classical music) then you are just as irritating as any 'hipster', if not more so.

This thread has gone off on a really stupid tangent.

[Cakelord]

If I'm a hipster, you're a dumbass


Yeah, I can totally see how that works. I'm an idiot because I prefer Baroque to britpop. Sure you could call it "alternative", and sit around with all your friends, who are all totally unique and dynamic and do their own thing not listening to anyone else, or you could stop being a huge hipster dick. It's seriously nothing special. Thom doesn't even know how to read music, he's more at home with samples on computer than an actual instrument. He's got a degree in literature. He's pathetic excuse for a musician, he's a dick, he's an egomaniac, and his lyrics are as far from art as Mars is to hipsters. You have crap taste in music.

Wait, doesn't that make you an idiot? I'm willing to accept I'm a dumbass, but you have to accept that you like boring, repetitive, generic crap because the guy that makes it thinks he's god's gift to the world and you're suggestible enough to agree with him.

[Cakelord]

If you're using an artist (or composer, as the case may be) to promote a certain self image (which you are, i.e. better than a hipster because you listen to classical music) then you are just as irritating as any 'hipster', if not more so.

This thread has gone off on a really stupid tangent.

Everyone is better than a hipster. Hipsters are boring bastards and they piss me off, so I'm going to go out of my way to insult them if I want to. And Vivaldi was a Baroque composer. I listen to King Crimson and Napalm Death too, and I went to a Santana concert.

[Pelican Man]

In Genesis case, well, they were inspired (at least to the beginning) by hymns and religion in their music. Like in their epic track "Supper's Ready" which is a narrative of the apocalypse.

Wait wait wait, so Genesis are allowed to name themselves such because of the thing that inspired them to create their music, right?

And Muse named themselves after that very process, so named themselves after what inspired them, essentially, and you're bashing them for that?

[Hats of!]

Wait wait wait, so Genesis are allowed to name themselves such because of the thing that inspired them to create their music, right?

And Muse named themselves after that very process, so named themselves after what inspired them, essentially, and you're bashing them for that?

Firstly, Genesis didn't name themselves after what inspired them. I never said that they were inspired by the bible. I said that their music is influenced by hymns and takes imagery from religion.

Secondly, what the hell are you talking about? I have never ever talked about inspiration. I'm not a new-age moron. What I said is that Genesis is a reflective of their sound scape. Like how R.E.M. (Rapid Ear Movement) reflects the sound of R.E.M.
Muse, however (like Nirvana), isn't really a name that reflects their sound. It's rather a stamp. Like calling your band "THE GREATEST!".
A name that would reflect the sound of Muse would be (in my opinion) something like Black Holes or something.

Thirdly, What the hell do you mean by "allowed"? A band is fucking "allowed" to do anything they want. I'm not trying to force Muse to change their name, I'm just saying that I think it's pretentious to call yourself "The Inspiration of all Creative".

[Pelican Man]

Thirdly, What the hell do you mean by "allowed"? A band is fucking "allowed" to do anything they want. I'm not trying to force Muse to change their name, I'm just saying that I think it's pretentious to call yourself "The Inspiration of all Creative".

Yes because I was definitely accusing you of trying to get Muse to change their name. Ok, so you think it's A LEGITIMATE REASON to name a band yada yada yada. Be technical, it doesn't change the content.

Firstly, Genesis didn't name themselves after what inspired them. I never said that they were inspired by the bible. I said that their music is influenced by hymns and takes imagery from religion.

Takes imagery from religion? What, you mean religion kind of INSPIRED their lyrics and imagery, and they named their band after that?

Secondly, what the hell are you talking about? I have never ever talked about inspiration. I'm not a new-age moron. What I said is that Genesis is a reflective of their sound scape. Like how R.E.M. (Rapid Ear Movement) reflects the sound of R.E.M.

You never said the word inspiration, no. But inspiration sure as hell sounds like what you're talking about.

Muse, however (like Nirvana), isn't really a name that reflects their sound. It's rather a stamp. Like calling your band "THE GREATEST!".
A name that would reflect the sound of Muse would be (in my opinion) something like Black Holes or something.

A lot of Muse's music tends to have an ambient, airy feel to it. Of course there are some sections that are very rock-based, but they do have a very calm, thoughtful feel overall. Which could be seen as inspiring to other musicians, so maybe it does reflect their sound, in that sense.

In either case, judging a band based on their name when it isn't completely ridiculous and over the top is way more pretentious than the band name itself.

[Cakelord]

I hate the hell outof Slipknot, they give metal a bad name. They're actually closer to hardcore than metal anyway, the pretentious dickbags.

[Quadros]

Seriously, you're probably the biggest fucking hipster on these forums. And I wasn't aware hipsters liked Vivaldi, either.

Hahahahaha you are such a fucking faggot. First it's 'if a bands popular they suck' then you're accusing OTHER people of being pretentious? You stick titles to people and judge them based on that while defending your tastes by listing some of the shitty, shitty metal you listen to, tempered by the namedrop of one famous composer because you think it gives you musical depth and some kind of moral high ground. NEWSFLASH: It doesn't. Hell I can pull some classical music out of my ass, if I think that I need to validate my taste in music but I don't because I don't. You can call radiohead 'boring, repetative generic crap' all you want but it only serves to underline that either;

a) You've never listened to them and don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

b) You have the emotional depth and capacity for understanding of a shallot.

I don't even LIKE radiohead but I at least appreciate the honesty behind the music and the artists. Thom Yorke is not pretentious nor does he consider himself to be 'God's gift'.

In short, shut the fuck up with your ignorant, immature bitching about things you don't understand.

[Cakelord]

Hahahahaha you are such a fucking faggot. First it's 'if a bands popular they suck' then you're accusing OTHER people of being pretentious? You stick titles to people and judge them based on that while defending your tastes by listing some of the shitty, shitty metal you listen to, tempered by the namedrop of one famous composer because you think it gives you musical depth and some kind of moral high ground. NEWSFLASH: It doesn't. Hell I can pull some classical music out of my ass, if I think that I need to validate my taste in music but I don't because I don't. You can call radiohead 'boring, repetative generic crap' all you want but it only serves to underline that either;

a) You've never listened to them and don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

b) You have the emotional depth and capacity for understanding of a shallot.

I don't even LIKE radiohead but I at least appreciate the honesty behind the music and the artists. Thom Yorke is not pretentious nor does he consider himself to be 'God's gift'.

In short, shut the fuck up with your ignorant, immature bitching about things you don't understand.

For fuck's sake, Vivaldi was a Baroque composer. I'm not accusing popular bands of sucking, I'm just saying the only reason for their insane popularity is media promotion. Guess what you hear whenever you go to a cafe of lunch bar, or riding in some douchebags's car, or in a theatre waiting for the previews to start, or in virtually any retail store? I've heard Radiohead, I hear bands like that wherever I go. And Thom is an impatient dick who is consistently rude to people, if you've heard Jack Black, Kelly Jones and Ronan Keating. As for the music being boring, it's boring as hell to me. I listen to metal because it's actually a technical very genre, and despite what people say, metal musicians are without a doubt more technically skilled and proficient than those of other genres. The fact of the matter is you aren't qualified to insult my taste in music, because you don't actually know what the hell I listen to.

[Cakelord]

If you can appreciate the honesty behind Radiohead's music why can't you show any respect to a metal if it's a genre based on a 'no bullshit' philosophy? You can say what you want, but metal as a genre tends to be a hell of a lot more sincere than a guy that's insanely well known and famous talking about being alienated.

[Hats of!]

Yes because I was definitely accusing you of trying to get Muse to change their name. Ok, so you think it's A LEGITIMATE REASON to name a band yada yada yada. Be technical, it doesn't change the content.
I don't think it's great if a band call themselves yada yada yada. Unless their music is yada yada yada. If they however doesn't play yada yada yada, then they are fairly stupid. That's what I'm saying.

Takes imagery from religion? What, you mean religion kind of INSPIRED their lyrics and imagery, and they named their band after that?
No, I'm not saying that religion inspired them at all. Let's say that I take some imagery from the bible in a movie I've made, like the image and figure of god. This doesn't mean that I was directly inspired, or even partly by religion. I just used content related to it. In Genesis's case their name actually derives from their first album (it's a crappy album too); "From Genesis to Revelation". They later took Genesis as a name because it fits to their music. They were never inspired by religion when naming themselves, it was just so that the imagery of religion went along well with their music.

You never said the word inspiration, no. But inspiration sure as hell sounds like what you're talking about.
You never said the word crap, no. But crap sure as hell sounds like what you're talking about.

A lot of Muse's music tends to have an ambient, airy feel to it. Of course there are some sections that are very rock-based, but they do have a very calm, thoughtful feel overall. Which could be seen as inspiring to other musicians, so maybe it does reflect their sound, in that sense.
So you do now admit the band to name themselves after the supposed "fact" that they are inspiring other musicians? Oh boy.
And there's been several bands and musicians that have played ambient and space rock and sometimes rock-rock. But they usually settled for a name like Brian Eno or Ozric Tentacles. Not "inspiration for all creativity".

It's okay for them to name themselves "muse" if they want to (I know it's confusing for you that I dislike their name, yet I'm okay with them having it. You just need to learn a bit or two about freedom). I just think it's utterly pretentious.

In either case, judging a band based on their name when it isn't completely ridiculous and over the top is way more pretentious than the band name itself.
I don't dislike Muse because of their name. The reason why I don't like Muse is because I find them utterly unoriginal and utterly pretentious. The name is just a part of the latter. I neither look at the word pretentious like a punk rocker would. I see pretentious as something which tries to be grander than what it really is. And then we have a band like Muse; calling themselves "inspiration of all creativity" whilst they are actually just redoing music that was invented over 40 years ago.

[Oofie]

And Vivaldi was a Baroque composer.

I know who Vivaldi was. Pretty sure everyone on the planet knows. Why is the fact that he was a Baroque composer in any way relevant to Quadros' post? Or mine, for that matter. You're still coming across as a pretentious twat.

[Cakelord]

You two keep calling him classical. That's a bit like calling Black Sabbath country.

[Tweek]

Not isn't you stupid fucking idiot holy shit why is this thread full of 10 000 word rants about nonsensical shit now?

Idioteque is not a hipster. Weren't Radiohead 'hip' like, 15 years ago?

And Hats, bands can call themselves whatever the fuck they want, it doesn't have to reflect their music.

And I'm just going to put this out there: most metal is shit.

[exetra]

something about pinnacle of metal genre

[Pelican Man]

I listen to metal because it's actually a technical very genre, and despite what people say, metal musicians are without a doubt more technically skilled and proficient than those of other genres.

No, you listen to metal because it SOUNDS technical. Fast playing != technicality. Have you ever SEEN some of the jazz chords out there? Or understand the difficulty of writing a solo that doesn't just consist of using the pentatonic/minor/harmonic minor scale?

No, I'm not saying that religion inspired them at all. Let's say that I take some imagery from the bible in a movie I've made, like the image and figure of god. This doesn't mean that I was directly inspired, or even partly by religion. I just used content related to it. In Genesis's case their name actually derives from their first album (it's a crappy album too); "From Genesis to Revelation". They later took Genesis as a name because it fits to their music. They were never inspired by religion when naming themselves, it was just so that the imagery of religion went along well with their music.

Alright, I still say it's a semantics argument whether the music was inspired by it or if it's just a theme, but whatever. I do see the difference, I just disagree that it's that apparent.


So you do now admit the band to name themselves after the supposed "fact" that they are inspiring other musicians? Oh boy.

I never said it inspired their name, I just said that maybe as an afterthought the name has some relevance. Then again, the name could have been intended as ironic, or nonsensical.

I don't dislike Muse because of their name. The reason why I don't like Muse is because I find them utterly unoriginal and utterly pretentious. The name is just a part of the latter. I neither look at the word pretentious like a punk rocker would. I see pretentious as something which tries to be grander than what it really is. And then we have a band like Muse; calling themselves "inspiration of all creativity" whilst they are actually just redoing music that was invented over 40 years ago.

I agree they're not overly original in their ventures; it's very hard for music to do that these days with so much proceeding it. But they are somewhat original in bringing the concept to the modern day, in my opinion.

You two keep calling him classical. That's a bit like calling Black Sabbath country.

Not really. It's more like calling Black Sabbath heavy rock. Baroque and classical are pretty closely related, much like metal and heavy rock. Metal and country and near irrelevant to one another.

[Oofie]

You two keep calling him classical. That's a bit like calling Black Sabbath country.

What the fuck? No it's not. You really don't know what you're talking about.

[Tweek]

I think we can all agree that any music derived from punk is the best.

[ilovebrownies]

Isn't classical music a collective term for music from 1600 - 1900 or something?

[exetra]

Isn't classical music a collective term for music from 1600 - 1900 or something?

Generally speaking, yes. Technically "classical" music is pre 19th century and Baroque is 17th to mid 18th centuries. In any case, the Baroque period is when a lot of modern music theory was created.

[Quadros]

For fuck's sake, Vivaldi was a Baroque composer.
I never said he wasn't, I just said I could pull a classical composer out. The fact that you jumped on that tiny point in such an aggressive way is kind of pretentious though.
I'm not accusing popular bands of sucking, I'm just saying the only reason for their insane popularity is media promotion. Guess what you hear whenever you go to a cafe of lunch bar, or riding in some douchebags's car, or in a theatre waiting for the previews to start, or in virtually any retail store?
People are incredibly retarded, so if you're that popular you're probably doing something wrong.
So, yes you did, and don't condescend me or call my friends douchebags you pretentious twat.

I've heard Radiohead, I hear bands like that wherever I go. And Thom is an impatient dick who is consistently rude to people, if you've heard Jack Black, Kelly Jones and Ronan Keating.
You may well have heard them, but I highly doubt you've listened to them. As for Yorke being a jerk about popular music hey, haven't you been doing exactly the same thing?

As for the music being boring, it's boring as hell to me. I listen to metal because it's actually a technical very genre, and despite what people say, metal musicians are without a doubt more technically skilled and proficient than those of other genres.
Sure you can find the music boring, I find it boring too, but you can't call them generic or repetative or accuse them of artsy pandering. And get your head out of metal's ass, sure the musicians are good (just like most other genres) but they spend so much time wanking over their technical skills that the whole thing comes off as a superficial celebration of technical ability rather than using the art to convey a deeper message or meaning. The musicians aren't more skilled than those in other genres, they're more OBVIOUSLY skilled because they bring that to the forefront of the music, as opposed to the defining points of other genres, such as emotion, the message, or the band chemistry.

The fact of the matter is you aren't qualified to insult my taste in music, because you don't actually know what the hell I listen to.
I am qualified to insult you for the way you've conducted yourself in this thread and the way you've presented yourself and your taste in music through those acts. If you don't like it, stop being such a dickwad.

If you can appreciate the honesty behind Radiohead's music why can't you show any respect to a metal if it's a genre based on a 'no bullshit' philosophy? You can say what you want, but metal as a genre tends to be a hell of a lot more sincere than a guy that's insanely well known and famous talking about being alienated.


This made me laugh. Metal's so full of bullshit that even metal laughs at it. Metal bands can be the most pretentious, preening people in the entire music scene when they take metal seriously. And the music isn't 'sincere', it's a bunch of grown men trying to be as 'brutal' as possible to make up for the fact they don't live in Azeroth. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I appreciate metal as well, even though I don't think it's good music, and I respect it when it deserves respect. But please don't take it seriously because even metal bands don't really take it that seriously.

[Oofie]

Baroque (1600–1760)
Classical (1730–1820)


According to Wiki, they overlap.

But seriously, this has nothing to do with anything. I was only calling Cakelord pretentious for pulling out a composers name to justify his claim that he's not a 'hipster'

[ilovebrownies]

But please don't take it seriously because even metal bands don't really take it that seriously.

Except, of course, ManOwar.

http://everseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/manowar1.jpg

They are dead serious.

[Quadros]

Why would you have a four barbarian D&D par- oh wait that's a metal band, my mistake.

Age of Conan; ManOWar Edition.

[Idioteque]

Idioteque is not a hipster. Weren't Radiohead 'hip' like, 15 years ago?



Nononono Cakelord has proven that I am. He IS a dumbass after all.

"hurfadurfdurf i listen to metal and classical and all this other shit so i'm better then you and YOU'RE a pretentious hipster hurfdurfdurf"

[Oofie]

Not Classical, Baroque. God, you complete philistine, how could you mix them up?!

[Antisaint]

Radiohead really isn't as great as everyone says though.

[Hats of!]

Absolutely not. I can't stand Thom Yorke's voice.

[Chris-Silver]

[/quote]No, I'm not saying that religion inspired them at all. Let's say that I take some imagery from the bible in a movie I've made, like the image and figure of god. This doesn't mean that I was directly inspired, or even partly by religion. I just used content related to it. In Genesis's case their name actually derives from their first album (it's a crappy album too); "From Genesis to Revelation". They later took Genesis as a name because it fits to their music. They were never inspired by religion when naming themselves, it was just so that the imagery of religion went along well with their music.
.[/quote]

Things like Satan and God are just simply powerful metaphors I completely agree with you. Satan being the ultimate evil/rebel, most of the western world believing in him makes him relatable.

[Cakelord]

So, yes you did, and don't condescend me or call my friends douchebags you pretentious twat.

Hey, weren't you just criticising me for being aggressive? I'm not saying you can't defend your friends, but that wasn't a direct attack on anyone you know.

You may well have heard them, but I highly doubt you've listened to them. As for Yorke being a jerk about popular music hey, haven't you been doing exactly the same thing?

Have I been ignoring people trying to congratulate me on performances and generally unlikeable? Well, I have been dong the second one, admittedly.

Sure you can find the music boring, I find it boring too, but you can't call them generic or repetative or accuse them of artsy pandering. And get your head out of metal's ass, sure the musicians are good (just like most other genres) but they spend so much time wanking over their technical skills that the whole thing comes off as a superficial celebration of technical ability rather than using the art to convey a deeper message or meaning. The musicians aren't more skilled than those in other genres, they're more OBVIOUSLY skilled because they bring that to the forefront of the music, as opposed to the defining points of other genres, such as emotion, the message, or the band chemistry.

Name a Britpop musician who knows more than a handful of chords and scales. Now, could they actually use any of those in their music? Metal generally uses fast tempos and blast beats to represent anger and hostility, complex rhythms represent complex emotions and syncopation can represent mystery and confusion, the same goes like the use of exotic scales. I don't take Metal all that seriously, but if you have to remember metal started as an art form and Britpop started as "Hey, look at me!".

I am qualified to insult you for the way you've conducted yourself in this thread and the way you've presented yourself and your taste in music through those acts. If you don't like it, stop being such a dickwad.

Well I'm obviously an expert douche so doesn't that make me qualified to insult your friends? So yeah, I noticed you get pissed of at that way more than I expected, you if we can agree that Thom Yorke is a painfully average musician then I'll leave you alone.

This made me laugh. Metal's so full of bullshit that even metal laughs at it. Metal bands can be the most pretentious, preening people in the entire music scene when they take metal seriously. And the music isn't 'sincere', it's a bunch of grown men trying to be as 'brutal' as possible to make up for the fact they don't live in Azeroth. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I appreciate metal as well, even though I don't think it's good music, and I respect it when it deserves respect. But please don't take it seriously because even metal bands don't really take it that seriously.

Do you know what Mastodon's new album is about. Behind the narrative are metaphors about how their drummer felt when his sister committed suicide at 14. That's genuine emotion, so I'd take that pretty seriously. Yeah, like any other genre, metal can be fun, and some of it is just for a laugh, but there is no way you can say all metal is insincere. Metalcore and Hardcore tend to give Metal a bad name, but there are entire sub-genres of Metal which are very serious, Black Metal and virtually all Progressive Metal I've heard being good examples (I don't like Black Metal very much at all, but if you've ever met any Black Metal musicians or fans, they're usually pretty damn sincere about how they feel and what the music means to them).

A lot of metal is really shit, but you can't deny that there have been more Metal bands filled with talented musicians and artists than there have been Britpop bands. Most Metal musicians have actually had a decent bit of training, which is more than anyone can say for Yorke and his pathetic falsetto. I can see what you're trying to say, that Radiohead do make art, but they don't actually putt a lot of effort into much of anything they do. They don't really work hard at what they do, they just repeat the same themes they've done before over and over again, chord progressions with some melodies lined over the top, simple drum beats, it's hardly anything new or exiting, and It wouldn't have been new or exiting 15 years ago.

[Cakelord]

Nononono Cakelord has proven that I am. He IS a dumbass after all.

"hurfadurfdurf i listen to metal and classical and all this other shit so i'm better then you and YOU'RE a pretentious hipster hurfdurfdurf"

You're a hipster because you act like a bloody hipster. That makes you a hipster. I don't see how being eclectic makes me an idiot, though. Perhaps we should ask Paul Gilbert, after all he's rather eclectic? Steve Vai? Phillip Glass? Wow, I had no idea these guys were idiots. :douchecock:

[Raxo]

What is a hipster anyway?

[nutrigrain]

Yes, no, yes, no.

Why The Beatles and Pink Floyd, might I ask?

they are the devils deciples

[nutrigrain]

What bands does everyone here love to hate? Mines an obvious (Fall Out Boy) but I also hate Gym Class Heroes, Panic At The Disco, AFI, Simple Plan, Plain Whites Ts, and Boys Like Girls. These are possibly the most annoying and overrated bands I've ever seen or heard. What about everyone else?

some of afi's old stuff is good though
not thier new shit...

[nutrigrain]

just about everything on the radio

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[Idioteque]

You're a hipster because you act like a bloody hipster. That makes you a hipster. I don't see how being eclectic makes me an idiot, though. Perhaps we should ask Paul Gilbert, after all he's rather eclectic? Steve Vai? Phillip Glass? Wow, I had no idea these guys were idiots. :douchecock:

Holy fuck, are you seriously judging me based on one band you know I like? Quite obviously, I don't listen to only britpop (in fact-I don't at all really, Radiohead hasn't been britpop since their 2nd album) but instead some of the genres you seem to think make you better then everyone else. Metal and Baroque included. Tell me about eclectic, hah.

If I was a dipshit like you I could brag about how I listen from everything from Classical to Grindcore, but I'm above that you see :shobon:

The reason you're an idiot is because you are a pretentious faggot, not because of any music taste. I'm not stupid enough to judge based on that.

EDIT: Holy fucking shit talk about irony:

The fact of the matter is you aren't qualified to insult my taste in music, because you don't actually know what the hell I listen to.

[Tweek]

Dude Radiohead were new and exciting 15 years ago or whenever Creep came out, because it was a change from the popular music of the time.

And since when did metal start out as an art form? Thats bullshit.

Also I think you put too much emphasis on skill and technicality.
The best musicians usually have very little of both.

[exetra]

Phillip Glass sucks gigantic bags of eclectic dick.

[The_Solipsist]

Also I think you put too much emphasis on skill and technicality.
The best musicians usually have very little of both.

This is horribly untrue.

Name the 'best' musicians, and I'll point out every tidbit of technicality and theory in their music.

[Tweek]

No

[Cakelord]

Tweek, what you saying is that Curt Cobain could outplay Frank Zappa? And Idioteque, I don't think you realise how versatile Metal is.

[exetra]

Metal is the most verstile genre ever. You can play "Jugga jug jug jug" or "Jugga jug jug SQUEEEEEAL".

[Cakelord]

Dude Radiohead were new and exciting 15 years ago or whenever Creep came out, because it was a change from the popular music of the time.


Nirvana did it before them, just less intelligibly.

And since when did metal start out as an art form? Thats bullshit.


Art is made to stimulate and express emotions.

We were rehearsing across the road from a movie theatre and I think it was Tony who said to us, ‘Isn’t it strange that people pay money to get the s*** scared out of them?’.

So we decided to make scary music. That’s how we got it started.

[hollywood_maggot]

Metal is the most verstile genre ever. You can play "Jugga jug jug jug" or "Jugga jug jug SQUEEEEEAL".

No, that's bad metalcore. And you've just proved how little you've looked at metal before making up your mind.

[sirC]

I hate Dimmu Borgir and all this fucking metal stuff_

[Cakelord]

I hate Dimmu Borgir and all this fucking metal stuff_

I hate when people end their sentences in underscores. But seriously, you probably don't realise how versatile Metal is. Dimmu Borgir is just one band, and there are a crapton of sub genres in Metal which will sound very little like Dimmu.

[Oofie]

You can't just keep saying that people who don't like metal just don't realise how good it is.

[Cakelord]

He only hates one band, what I'm saying is it's unfair to say that Dummu Borgir = All Metal. He hasn't even given a reason for disliking anything either.

[ilovebrownies]

Name a Britpop musician who knows more than a handful of chords and scales.

Do they need to know more than a handful chords? Simplistic catchy music can be just as good as complex music in my opinion.

Tweek, what you saying is that Curt Cobain could outplay Frank Zappa?

Do you think he cared? Why would anyone care who can outplay who, as long as we enjoy the music they make?

You really need to embrace the fact that music isn't a competition.

[exetra]

No, that's bad metalcore. And you've just proved how little you've looked at metal before making up your mind.

Of course, I could just be intentionally generalizing to get on people's nerves. That would probably never work though :hmm:

[Cakelord]

Exetra is probably one of, if not the, most talented musicians on Explosm, so we better not argue with him.

[exetra]

yeah the fact that someone somewhere probably thinks i'm talented at something means that my opinion on music and anything else is completely objective and absolutely true.

[ilovebrownies]

Don't mess with Exetra, because he has a gold medal and a black belt in music.

[Pelican Man]

Tweek, what you saying is that Curt Cobain could outplay Frank Zappa? And Idioteque, I don't think you realise how versatile Metal is.

I listen to metal and am in a metal band, and still think your opinion is horribly, horribly shit and close-minded.

He only hates one band, what I'm saying is it's unfair to say that Dummu Borgir = All Metal. He hasn't even given a reason for disliking anything either.

Swap the words Dummu Borgir with Radiohead and metal with britpop, and you've just created a counter argument to your own opinion.

Edit: and I like how you've conveniently not responded to the posts that proved you wrong, yet still gone on acting like you're right without addressing them.

[exetra]

Hey guys did you know that all metal music sounds exactly the same? Or that all metal lyrics are "rawr i worship satan and rape nuns"?

[Quadros]

Hey, weren't you just criticising me for being aggressive? I'm not saying you can't defend your friends, but that wasn't a direct attack on anyone you know. I don't get into strangers' cars, so yeah it was.



Have I been ignoring people trying to congratulate me on performances and generally unlikeable? Well, I have been dong the second one, admittedly.
The fact is if you were someone who took their music as seriously as Radiohead do and you despised the consumerism in the music industy like they do, if MTV came up to you back stage and try to do an interview with you to make it look like you approve of them you'd tell them to piss off too.


Name a Britpop musician who knows more than a handful of chords and scales. Now, could they actually use any of those in their music? Metal generally uses fast tempos and blast beats to represent anger and hostility, complex rhythms represent complex emotions and syncopation can represent mystery and confusion, the same goes like the use of exotic scales. I don't take Metal all that seriously, but if you have to remember metal started as an art form and Britpop started as "Hey, look at me!".
I don't know any brit pop musicians personally so I don't know what the do and do not know. Your generalisations are very pretentious though. You seem to be unfamiliar with the saying 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should'. Just because you can drive the wrong way up a moterway dodging traffic and speeding and handbrake turn around every corner doesn't mean you should. It may be more skillful than driving legally, but driving legally is better. Metal music may be more demanding to play individually than punk, but in my opinion punk sounds better.


Well I'm obviously an expert douche so doesn't that make me qualified to insult your friends? So yeah, I noticed you get pissed of at that way more than I expected, you if we can agree that Thom Yorke is a painfully average musician then I'll leave you alone.

You're not even GOOD at being a jerk, you're just good at being a retard. I'll not be blackmailed by the threat of you insulting me or my friends, but if you do I'll just leave you crying. Then report you for going off topic and get you banned. Then laugh.

Do you know what Mastodon's new album is about. Behind the narrative are metaphors about how their drummer felt when his sister committed suicide at 14. That's genuine emotion, so I'd take that pretty seriously. Yeah, like any other genre, metal can be fun, and some of it is just for a laugh, but there is no way you can say all metal is insincere. Metalcore and Hardcore tend to give Metal a bad name, but there are entire sub-genres of Metal which are very serious, Black Metal and virtually all Progressive Metal I've heard being good examples (I don't like Black Metal very much at all, but if you've ever met any Black Metal musicians or fans, they're usually pretty damn sincere about how they feel and what the music means to them).
I don't care about mastadon's new album but I never said ALL metal is insincere. I said that metal (In general) is insencere. Sure, there'll be exceptions, but the exceptions don't prove the rule. And Black metal is a joke. It's one of those rediculous two band subgenres of metal that no-one takes seriously, even the artists, and if you've met people who do they're either pulling your leg, fourteen or preening Goths.

A lot of metal is really shit, but you can't deny that there have been more Metal bands filled with talented musicians and artists than there have been Britpop bands.
Sure I can. Because part of being a musician is making music sound good, not playing stuff that's as difficult as possible. There's no-way you can know how talented a brit pop musician actually is, you're making assumptions from what you've heard.

Most Metal musicians have actually had a decent bit of training, which is more than anyone can say for Yorke and his pathetic falsetto. I can see what you're trying to say, that Radiohead do make art, but they don't actually putt a lot of effort into much of anything they do. They don't really work hard at what they do, they just repeat the same themes they've done before over and over again, chord progressions with some melodies lined over the top, simple drum beats, it's hardly anything new or exiting, and It wouldn't have been new or exiting 15 years ago.
That's ignorant to the point of disrespectful. Of course they put effort in. And if you actually LISTEN to Radiohead you'll see how groundmaking their music really is. But you haven't LISTENED to them, you've just heard them a bit, and that puts you in no position at all to judge them.

Also Radiohead isn't even Britpop you collosal twat.

[hollywood_maggot]

Of course, I could just be intentionally generalizing to get on people's nerves. That would probably never work though :hmm:

I enjoy getting wound up on the internet. Duh.

Also, the nuns aren't raped. They want it sooo bad.

[exetra]

Nice save :hmm:

[Cakelord]

And if you actually LISTEN to Radiohead you'll see how groundmaking their music really is.


Are you fucking kidding me? I can't take you seriously after reading that, if I wanted something "groundmaking" I'd try Avant-garde or experimental music. Falsetto vocals are totally new and exiting.


There's no-way you can know how talented a brit pop musician actually is, you're making assumptions from what you've heard.


Do you honestly think if they just don't do anything technical for no reason? There's no way you can know that that you're a dick. There's no way you can tell for certain that everything in one genre sucks no mater what, so you might as well admit that all genres are equal and are only perceived as different by individuals with different opinions.


Just because you can drive the wrong way up a moterway dodging traffic and speeding and handbrake turn around every corner doesn't mean you should.


That's what Metal is about. It's about doing what you want. It's about fuck you, I'll shout my opinion from the rooftops if I want. In fact, I don't care what you think. In fact, fuck you. That's what metal is about. I don't care if I'm banned, I won't have to put up with those guys who're always having a big circle-jerk about how fantastic.

Hey guys did you know that all metal music sounds exactly the same? Or that all metal lyrics are "rawr i worship satan and rape nuns"?

Try from Black Label Society's 'Stoned And Drunk', or anything from The Blessed Hellride album. Now listen to anything by Opeth, ever. Symphony X and then some Carcass. Celtic Frost. Early In Flames. If these all sound the same, or there are references to raping nuns in every piece you listened to, then I'll shut up.

If Metal is all about satan and rape then all Funk is all about sex, all Regge is about Marijuana (That might actually discredit my argument but what the hell, in it goes.), all Country is about your dog dyeing, your wife leaving you and your truck breaking down, all Ska is about fart jokes and being 12, all Blues songs are about trains and 'walkin, Electronic is about nothing, and Folk is about fairy tales. While you're reading this I'm probably off sacrificing some virginal goats to my dark master and burning down some chapels, which to me, it's a hell of a lot more fun than pretty much everything in those genres I mentioned before. I actually think that stereotype is pretty funny.

[Tweek]

That's what Metal is about. It's about doing what you want. It's about fuck you, I'll shout my opinion from the rooftops if I want. In fact, I don't care what you think. In fact, fuck you. That's what metal is about.
I thought that was punk.

Isn't metal about playing shitty guitar solos fast and eating bats?

[Cakelord]

I thought that was punk.

Isn't metal about playing shitty guitar solos fast and eating bats?

If you want it to be, sure. Metal can do what it wants, man, punk was actually an influence on Motorhead which had an absolutely massive influence on metal of the 80s (Not 'Hair Metal', which is just Glam Rock's tomboy sister.), which took that philosophy, and merged it with the music and progressive aspects of Sabbath and Judas Priest. Along the line other stuff comes in, like classical, jazz and even folk, but that's not relevant unless you really want to hear about it.

People just kept pushing the envelope and Metal kept developing, and it's still going, and it's doing this with virtually no radio support, mind you, which is no small feat.

[Raxo]

Yeah metal is pretty gay.

[hoopymo]

If you want it to be, sure. Metal can do what it wants, man, punk was actually an influence on Motorhead which had an absolutely massive influence on metal of the 80s (Not 'Hair Metal', which is just Glam Rock's tomboy sister.), which took that philosophy, and merged it with the music and progressive aspects of Sabbath and Judas Priest. Along the line other stuff comes in, like classical, jazz and even folk, but that's not relevant unless you really want to hear about it.

Wow some metal was influenced by other genres it's soooo deep


People just kept pushing the envelope and Metal kept developing, and it's still going, and it's doing this with virtually no radio support, mind you, which is no small feat.

Bullshit, it got radio support, it wasn't some crazy taboo music,unless you were a crazy religious fanatic.

[Antisaint]

Any band who growls is gay and shit.

[Hats of!]

Metal is essentially just rock music that likes to be heavy. Can't you settle with that?

[Raxo]

It's not rock music it's an advanced form of art using guitars to express one's feelings.

[Quadros]

Are you fucking kidding me? I can't take you seriously after reading that, if I wanted something "groundmaking" I'd try Avant-garde or experimental music. Falsetto vocals are totally new and exiting.
Well I haven't been taking you seriously from the start so at least we have that in common now. It's obvious that you know some stuff about music but you actually understand dick all.



Do you honestly think if they just don't do anything technical for no reason? There's no way you can know that that you're a dick. There's no way you can tell for certain that everything in one genre sucks no mater what, so you might as well admit that all genres are equal and are only perceived as different by individuals with different opinions.
I actually think that they don't dick wthemselves over their technical abilities in every single song because solos break a song's flow if not employed correctly and their songs are about more conveying a message and sounding good as a band so they decided to make music that sounds good when plaed as a band rather than something technically impressive which is actually kind of annoying.


That's what Metal is about. It's about doing what you want. It's about fuck you, I'll shout my opinion from the rooftops if I want. In fact, I don't care what you think. In fact, fuck you. That's what metal is about. I don't care if I'm banned, I won't have to put up with those guys who're always having a big circle-jerk about how fantastic.
Metal is about being a retard and causing people discomfort? And here I was thinking that was just a joke. Honsetly though the Bolded bit is what fourteen year olds think metal is about. Metal is actually about (and I have this on good authority) 'Getting Skoned'.


Try from Black Label Society's 'Stoned And Drunk', or anything from The Blessed Hellride album. Now listen to anything by Opeth, ever. Symphony X and then some Carcass. Celtic Frost. Early In Flames. If these all sound the same, or there are references to raping nuns in every piece you listened to, then I'll shut up.

I'm 800% sure exetra was actually employing sarcasm and wasn't disagreeing with you, but nice work on further underlining your monumental idiocy.
If Metal is all about satan and rape then all Funk is all about sex, all Regge is about Marijuana (That might actually discredit my argument but what the hell, in it goes.), all Country is about your dog dyeing, your wife leaving you and your truck breaking down, all Ska is about fart jokes and being 12, all Blues songs are about trains and 'walkin, Electronic is about nothing, and Folk is about fairy tales. While you're reading this I'm probably off sacrificing some virginal goats to my dark master and burning down some chapels, which to me, it's a hell of a lot more fun than pretty much everything in those genres I mentioned before. I actually think that stereotype is pretty funny.

I'm just going to laugh at you over this. Not with you, or your lame attempt at humour. Strictly AT you.

[Hats of!]

It's not rock music it's an advanced form of art using guitars to express one's feelings.

No. That's blues.

[Idioteque]

Tweek, what you saying is that Curt Cobain could outplay Frank Zappa? And Idioteque, I don't think you realise how versatile Metal is.

Uh, where did I say it wasn't?

I've stated quite explicitly that I don't give a flying fuck what you or anyone else listens to. Have you read anyones posts, at all?

EDIT: Also, try actually listening to something before spouting off your incredibly ill-informed opinion.
EDIT2: Are you autistic of some sort cuz then I'd feel bad, you remind me of FallenMorgan

[The_Solipsist]

Why does objectivity totally fail when it comes to music? Its like there is no concept of auditory perception.

[Cakelord]

Well I haven't been taking you seriously from the start so at least we have that in common now. It's obvious that you know some stuff about music but you actually understand dick all.

What do you know about music? It's obvious to me that you're closed minded and more than a bit of an ass, but from what I've gathered you seem to believe music is about 'sounding good' and Thom Yorke is a virtuoso instrumentalist.

I actually think that they don't dick wthemselves over their technical abilities in every single song because solos break a song's flow if not employed correctly and their songs are about more conveying a message and sounding good as a band so they decided to make music that sounds good when plaed as a band rather than something technically impressive which is actually kind of annoying.

If you've listened to much modern Metal at all then you'd know that thte isn't a solo in every song, in fact I don't recall seeing any solos on Napalm Death's new release.

Metal is about being a retard and causing people discomfort? And here I was thinking that was just a joke. Honsetly though the Bolded bit is what fourteen year olds think metal is about. Metal is actually about (and I have this on good authority) 'Getting Skoned'.

Who told you Metal is about "Getting Skoned"? You can be a retard and cause people discomfort if you want to. It obviously pisses you of so it's doing it's job. What the fuck is "Skoned" anyway? I've never heard that terminology anywhere before.

What do you listen to Quadros?

[Cakelord]

It's not rock music it's an advanced form of art using guitars to express one's feelings.

Any genre can do this because music in general is supposed to be an art form.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Saturno_devorando_a_sus_hijos.jpg

I'm going to guess you don't enjoy that piece, but that doesn't mean it's not art. You can use a paintbrush, a typewriter or a guitar to make art. You can use whatever the hell you want, it's your choice how you do it.

I do realise you are being sarcastic, but Metal is an art form, just like any other genre. The difference is Metal is more like Salvador Dali, Goya, or Beksinski, whereas Pop is more like Da Vinci. He didn't do the Sistine Chapel because he felt like it. I'm probably going to take quite a few insults from people misinterpreting me (Undoubtedly Quadros.), but that needs saying.

Also, this thread is getting way to off topic at this point, so I'd like to conclude by saying that Radiohead is overrated, overexposed, and quite frankly dull as fuck, and I'd prefer something more stimulating and exiting then some whiny millionaire whining about nobody understanding him.

[The_Solipsist]

Damnit, Cakelord, you are stupid as hell.

I doubt you've ever listened to any of Radiohead's good songs.

Using minor sweeps, 9th chords, and fucking palm muting every other note does not equal good music. Damn, at least Radiohead is experimental, most fucking metal regurgitates the same diminished/minor/fuckdick runs and chord progressions, the same asinine DUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUDHUDHUDHUDH double bass drumming, and the same shit lyrics.

[Fluzz]

Cannibal Corpse is pretty fun to hate. When anyone ever brings them up someone starts growling "I cum blood".

[Cakelord]

Damnit, Cakelord, you are stupid as hell.

I doubt you've ever listened to any of Radiohead's good songs.

Using minor sweeps, 9th chords, and fucking palm muting every other note does not equal good music. Damn, at least Radiohead is experimental, most fucking metal regurgitates the same diminished/minor/fuckdick runs and chord progressions, the same asinine DUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUDHUDHUDHUDH double bass drumming, and the same shit lyrics.

What a Radiohead's good songs then? You're calling me stupid, god, if you actually heard more than a few metal bands you might know what an idiot you sound like. How about I say Radiohead is the same slow melody over an open chord progression with falsetto vocals. Find me one song with none of those aspects. And the structure can't be the same verse/chorus/verse crap virtually all Pop does.

Tell me some of their best songs, and I'll listen to them, but you have to listen to Alestorm's Over The Seas, Atheist's Green, We Disintegrate by Nevermore, Meshuggah's Bleed, and Fade To Black by Metallica. If it all sounds the same go get your hearing checked and try it again.

[Cakelord]

Cannibal Corpse is pretty fun to hate. When anyone ever brings them up someone starts growling "I cum blood".

Those guys really are pretty crap, way to much of the same symbolism.

[Idioteque]

What a Radiohead's good songs then? You're calling me stupid, god, if you actually heard more than a few metal bands you might know what an idiot you sound like. How about I say Radiohead is the same slow melody over an open chord progression with falsetto vocals. Find me one song with none of those aspects. And the structure can't be the same verse/chorus/verse crap virtually all Pop does.

Tell me some of their best songs, and I'll listen to them, but you have to listen to Alestorm's Over The Seas, Atheist's Green, We Disintegrate by Nevermore, Meshuggah's Bleed, and Fade To Black by Metallica. If it all sounds the same go get your hearing checked and try it again.

Please, try to tell me this is britpop :hmm:

Idioteque http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9UkgkzUkUA

Everything in It's Right Place http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrpGhEVyrk0

Climbing Up the Walls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgDPkqiXrjc

Oh yeah, and here's a fast one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD8f5h4Zvxw

Also, the music genius of Radiohead's (Jonny Greenwood) original composition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaZ0r_NQYMM&feature=related

I'm not posting this because I think you'll like em, rather now when you throw your opinion around you'll sound even more like an ass when you've actually had a chance to listen.

[The_Solipsist]

What a Radiohead's good songs then? You're calling me stupid, god, if you actually heard more than a few metal bands you might know what an idiot you sound like. How about I say Radiohead is the same slow melody over an open chord progression with falsetto vocals. Find me one song with none of those aspects. And the structure can't be the same verse/chorus/verse crap virtually all Pop does.

Tell me some of their best songs, and I'll listen to them, but you have to listen to Alestorm's Over The Seas, Atheist's Green, We Disintegrate by Nevermore, Meshuggah's Bleed, and Fade To Black by Metallica. If it all sounds the same go get your hearing checked and try it again.


Gagging Order, Backdrifts, A Punch-Up At a Wedding, Where I End And You Begin, 15 Steps, Bodysnatchers, House of Cards, Kid A, Worryworth. I'll let Idioteque and whoever else add more.

Metal Structure generally goes like this: Light Intro, Heavy Preverse, Verse, Solo, Verse, Breakdown, then clusterfuck. LIKE ITS SO DIFFERENT.

Metal is NO different from any other music you've typecasted as SIMPLE. You know what metal does? Fucking minor rundowns with diminshed/major 7ths, power chords, down tunings, palm muting, and annoy vocals with shitty lyrics. Very, very few break away from this. Too much distortion rots the brain.

I've listened to all of those songs except Alestorm's Over The Seas. Meshugga is technically brilliant, and I do love the polyrythms, but I hate yelling/sreaming/growling. It defeats the purpose of even having a vocalist. I like my metal instrumental. Fade to Black is so overplayed. 'It's the greatest song about suicide evar!'. My ass. Metallica is so fucking overrated its not even funny. I love them and all, but they aren't that good. Technically and melodically, pretty boring after a while.

You're just a moron with a 'O, look at me! Metal is a aht fome and ahl other music is pure sheet!' attitude.

If you want complicated, complex, and 'individualistic' music, try some gypsy jazz, some Django will do your pretentious ass some good.

Or, maybe, Debussy, some impressionistc music. Bartok and his avante-garde string quatets, go listen to some true ART.


You are just as much of a sell out, as much as a pedantic, insecure, pretentious, over dramatic, useless MORON as you've dared put onto other people.

Get your head out of your ass and stop being a damned hypocrite.

[Cakelord]

I never said that every genre apart from metal was crap. I listen to everything from Jazz (In fact I'm quite keen on Mr. Reinhardt), Progressive, Experimental, Instrumental Rock, as I've posted before, Baroque, and Folk. I think you're being a "damned hypocrite" by saying something can't be art.

From what you're saying I don't think you actually listened to Green, the structure is quite different from what you've described. We Disintegrate is actually pretty major if you've given it a listen. The vocal styles are different in these pieces, Fade To Black and We Disintegrate are melodic, Bleed is growled, as are parts of Green to a degree. Over the Seas, if you bothered to listen to it, is very articulate and the harmony between the accordions and guitars are quite tasteful.

[The_Solipsist]

I never said that every genre apart from metal was crap. I listen to everything from Jazz (In fact I'm quite keen on Mr. Reinhardt), Progressive, Experimental, Instrumental Rock, as I've posted before, Baroque, and Folk. I think you're being a "damned hypocrite" by saying something can't be art.

From what you're saying I don't think you actually listened to Green, the structure is quite different from what you've described. We Disintegrate is actually pretty major if you've given it a listen. The vocal styles are different in these pieces, Fade To Black and We Disintegrate are melodic, Bleed is growled, as are parts of Green to a degree. Over the Seas, if you bothered to listen to it, is very articulate and the harmony between the accordions and guitars are quite tasteful.

Well, I'll be damned if you didn't imply it with almost every post you made.

I didn't comment on Green, nor We Disintegrate, because I haven't heard either in a long time. I was simply playing your cards against you, and I even stated that some metal differentiates from the norm. Yet again, I was playing your cards against you.

Can you see how bullshit what you've said is?

There's nothing wrong with Pop music, as long as it's good pop music. Being able to write 'catchy' music is just as artistic as writing any other form of music.

I listen to absolutely everything. I love Bartok and I love Regina Spektor. I love Kaki King, and I love Iron Maiden. You have to respect every artist for what they do. Every musicians a sell out in some form or fashion, otherwise they wouldn't bother with selling their work. Art isn't definable.

[Cakelord]

I listed to some Radiohead, and here's what I think.

Ideoteque - Theres some some rather annoying electronic tapping, annoying electronic droning, and some mumbling. The tapping gets a bit more complicated, it's to a fugue what a children's drawing is to Rembrandt.

Everything In It's Right Place - Some keyboards, gibberish, piss weak vocal work, the gibberish returns, things get more layered at times and the keyboards have a little bit of variation.

Climbing Up The Walls - A simple bass line and percussion pattern, the vocal melody comes in, annoying as always. Repetitive and uninteresting, until the bridge.

Electioneering - Transvestite plays some incredibly shithouse guitar to a simple repetitive drum beat, Thom's irritating voice comes back in. After some more absolutely terrible guitar work I'm starting to think that the guitarist may actually be on acid, which generally isn't too good for live performances. Some repetition, then it ends. The guitarist never heard of a Floyd Rose, because he's out of tune. If you're going to play an instrument at least play it half decently.

Oil - Not bad, actually, I quite liked this piece. Why don't they just fire Thom and let Jonny compose everything? He's the only one with any actual training, and I respect his compositional skills, but the way he plays guitar is just... it's like my ears are being raped by a man with a sandpaper condom.

I'll admit it, I was wrong. They're not shitty Britopop, they're just plain shitty.

You know what? Say what you want about Metal, but fuck, at least they know how to play their instruments. You know what, I like it when people show their skills off, I like it when they display the dedication they've shown their music. A like shredding and legato. I like the subtle vibrato and I like the mournful wailing of the solos. I like the tremolo picking and the arpeggios. I even don't mind the artificial harmonics. They can show off all they want, because there are people who enjoy hearing virtuosi performing. That's why Pagani was popular, that's why Paul Gilbert is popular now. That's why I like Jazz and Baroque and Instrumental Rock.


There's nothing wrong with Pop music, as long as it's good pop music. Being able to write 'catchy' music is just as artistic as writing any other form of music.

I don't find Pop to be all that catchy at all. It doesn't do anything for me, I don't like it and there is nothing you can do to change my opinion. As I've said before, I prefer the engaging side that Metal has to offer. Someone is probably going to jump on the 'hate Cakelord' bandwagon and say "Metal isn't engaging at all!". Well fuck, at least it doesn't bore and annoy the shit out of me like Radiohead.

Art isn't definable.

Then don't say what is and isn't art.

The point is, I don't like Radiohead because I prefer to listen to artists who are both expressive and skilled. Someone said something about solos ruining a piece by being out of place, not all solos are the same. You can play a slow, thoughtful, quiet solo, or you can run through some scales as fast as you can. You can put it in place. Why can't Radiohead fit anything technical into their work?

Maybe they can't. Maybe they're just over-endorsed crap. I don't care. I'm not going to worry about it, because I know what I like and I'm not going to change, and no amount of name calling can change that.

[Laurence]

Being able to play instruments is not exclusive to huge riffs and overdone drums with some douchebag screaming over the top. There is such a thing as subtlety, and in terms of music it is far more difficult to achieve that than all the sounds of all the band's instruments fighting to get to the foreground of the song that seems to be what most metal is about.

It's just so cute how you think the musicians in Radiohead aren't "expressive and skilled, too. I guess that the fact that they've pretty much released the most universally acclaimed album of the 90's (OK Computer) and potentially of the 00's as well (Kid A).

Also, stop using the word 'virtuoso' or any variant, because no one really gives a fuck whether a musician is a 'virtuoso' or not. Not being a 'virtuoso' does not mean you're a shitty musician.

Are you fucking kidding me? I can't take you seriously after reading that, if I wanted something "groundmaking" I'd try Avant-garde or experimental music.

Radiohead are avant-rock, you pretentious wank. And they were groundbreaking. They were a hugely successful rock band as of The Bends and OK Computer and then they turned around and fucked with everyone's minds by making an album of electronica. You clearly know nothing about them nor have you ever listened to any of their albums properly in full, therefore your opinion is uninformed and poorly argued.

[Cakelord]

Being able to play instruments is not exclusive to huge riffs and overdone drums with some douchebag screaming over the top. There is such a thing as subtlety, and in terms of music it is far more difficult to achieve that than all the sounds of all the band's instruments fighting to get to the foreground of the song that seems to be what most metal is about.

And you say I'm poorly informed? I shouldn't even be dignifying this with a response but I will.

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Subtle enough? Avant-garde enough?

It's just so cute how you think the musicians in Radiohead aren't "expressive and skilled, too. I guess that the fact that they've pretty much released the most universally acclaimed album of the 90's (OK Computer) and potentially of the 00's as well (Kid A).

Acclaim means nothing at all. Do you know what they thought of Beethoven in his time? It doesn't matter how popular something is, and if you weren't so busy trying to insult me you'd see that. Your theory means that Spears is one of the most gifted artists in our century.
Popularity doesn't mean anything.

Also, stop using the word 'virtuoso' or any variant, because no one really gives a fuck whether a musician is a 'virtuoso' or not. Not being a 'virtuoso' does not mean you're a shitty musician.

Hey. I'm not going to stop using that word. Radiohead just so happen to be a collaboration of incredibly shitty musicians, all of them put together wouldn't have the virtuosity of Yoko Ono.


Radiohead are avant-rock, you pretentious wank. And they were groundbreaking. They were a hugely successful rock band as of The Bends and OK Computer and then they turned around and fucked with everyone's minds by making an album of electronica. You clearly know nothing about them nor have you ever listened to any of their albums properly in full, therefore your opinion is uninformed and poorly argued.

Radiohead were not ground breaking for changing styles. That's like saying Tenacious D play rock and folk! Apart from the fact that Jack Black is actually a better vocalist then Thom and Kyle Gas has twice the virtuosity of Radiohead's shithouse guitarist. Shit, Prince is better than him. And he's got better fashion sense. How about this, listen to at least two different Metal albums by different bands. For each subgenre. You can have an opinion then.

[Pelican Man]

You know what? Say what you want about Metal, but fuck, at least they know how to play their instruments. You know what, I like it when people show their skills off, I like it when they display the dedication they've shown their music.

See, this is your problem. You still don't get it. Not saying you're not allowed to like people showing off their skills, that's more than fine, but the issue is whether it's NECESSARY or not. Different genres use 'difficulty' in different aspects. Metal is generally a speed aspect, for example. Now, some genres, like a lot of pop music, don't NEED to show off technicality to sound good. They do what they do, and it sounds good.

And on a similar note, metal doesn't need to show off technicality to be good. Metal does have some slow, droning pieces which are actually quite good. That doesn't necessarily mean the band playing them is untalented, just that they didn't feel the need to include technicality to improve the song. And that's fine in everyone's eyes but your own, it would seem.

[Cakelord]

I just like technicality and difficult music, that's why I don't listen to Pop.

[Pelican Man]

So you like someone wanking directly into your ear, gotcha.

[exetra]

If you like technical wanking that's fine but it doesn't mean that it's objectively better than anything ever.

The whole premise of this thread is fundamentally flawed.

[Tweek]

Music I like is the best music.

[Laurence]

Acclaim means nothing at all. Do you know what they thought of Beethoven in his time? It doesn't matter how popular something is, and if you weren't so busy trying to insult me you'd see that. Your theory means that Spears is one of the most gifted artists in our century.
Popularity doesn't mean anything.


Hold on, I'm just double checking that acclaim and popularity are the same thing. Oops, no, they're not. Thanks though.

Radiohead were not ground breaking for changing styles. That's like saying Tenacious D play rock and folk! Apart from the fact that Jack Black is actually a better vocalist then Thom and Kyle Gas has twice the virtuosity of Radiohead's shithouse guitarist. Shit, Prince is better than him. And he's got better fashion sense.

This paragraph makes no sense whatsoever in the context of a reply to what I wrote.

Your entire argument thus far has consisted of, "No they're shit" just repeated in different forms over and over again. If you had provided reasons why you think they aren't good musicians, or why Thom Yorke has an irritating voice or anything like that I might bother replying to you properly and in full, but as it is there's really no point when all you do is turn around and repeat how shit you think it is and how you only listen to virtuosi because everyone else is shit, shit.

[hollywood_maggot]

I just like technicality and difficult music, that's why I don't listen to Pop.

Cheyeah, and how many bands can pull off emotion with that? Normally it just sounds like the band gave their instruments food poisoning, recorded the results and called it music. It ain't.

[Quadros]

What do you know about music? It's obvious to me that you're closed minded and more than a bit of an ass, but from what I've gathered you seem to believe music is about 'sounding good' and Thom Yorke is a virtuoso instrumentalist.
Music is about 'sounding good'. No-one makes intentionally bad music and then says 'that was the POINT!' except maybe the artsy bands you hae so very much. As for me being closed minded, I'm the one who doesn't even like Radiohead but is still defending them against ignorant attack from someone who hasn't even listened to them. And I never said that Thom Yorke is a 'virtuoso instrumentalist', you're just making retarded extrapolations based on fuindamental lack of understanding. It's his VISION I respect and admire. I may be an asshole but it makes me no less right.

If you've listened to much modern Metal at all then you'd know that thte isn't a solo in every song, in fact I don't recall seeing any solos on Napalm Death's new release.
How does that change the fact that there are still too many soloes in metal? Finding small eceptions to general ideas does not defeat the established point. I still maintain that some bands don't over-exhibit their technical skills because doing so would make worse music.


Who told you Metal is about "Getting Skoned"? You can be a retard and cause people discomfort if you want to. It obviously pisses you of so it's doing it's job. What the fuck is "Skoned" anyway? I've never heard that terminology anywhere before.
Losely translated from danish, with it's roots in Norse, 'Skone' means 'drink'. The 'be Skoned' means to party hard and get monumentally wasted while laying waste to all before you in an epic night/day/week/month of drunken revelry. I heard it first from Kaleb (http://www.myspace.com/kalebuk) of the British underground metal scene. Their guitarist is now one of my best friends.


What do you listen to Quadros?
Ska, Punk and Skacore mostly.

[hollywood_maggot]

Skacore? What's that?

Also, I agree with you about what music is about, except I'll throw in emotion to the sounding good.

But you got Metal wrong. Well, depends what type of metal you're into - admittedly some is all about partying hard. But then most people enjoy a good night out. But the metal scene is typically a less extreme continuation of punk in the sense that it's about doing whatever the hell you want to do.

[Quadros]

Skacore is basicall modern punk mixed with a brass section and a ska bassline. It kicks all kinds of ass. And fair enough, Metal's about breaking the rules and doing whatever you want, but isn't that just part of the 'getting Skoned' thing? Like, the two are pretty much synonomous.

[hollywood_maggot]

I'll give you that one.

Punk with a brass section? Interesting. Although, I always thought that ska and punk were inherently (sp?) linked.

[Quadros]

Na, the current ska scene is ridiculously diverse and a lot of bands are generally refered to as 'ska punk', but skacore goes further. Upstring playing is extremely rare and the vocals are much more aggressive, with more hardcore-esque shouting than actual singing. I'll find you an example to show the difference.

Weapons of Brass Destruction- Skacore (http://www.myspace.com/wobd)

Random Hand- Ska Punk (http://www.myspace.com/randomhand)

(Random hand have metal influence for bonus points.)

[hollywood_maggot]

...So Ska and Punk ARE regularly linked, if not inherently. I mean, Punk bands have been adding Ska and Reggae to their music for decades. Also, that shit is awesome.

[Quadros]

Well yeah, the third wave ska of today often has heavy punk influences but it's been argued that third wave 'ska punk' is a distinct sub-genre of traditional ska of the first wave and to a lesser extent the second wave, which typically had far fewer, if any, connections with punk.

[hollywood_maggot]

I'm rather out of touch with the history of ska. I only really know the history of metal and punk/hardcore, and then only what wikipedia told me.

[Cakelord]

So you like someone wanking directly into your ear, gotcha.

At least that's consensual, Radiohead, as I've said before, is like being raped in the ear by a man with a sandpaper condom.


The whole premise of this thread is fundamentally flawed.

You've got a good point there.

[The_Solipsist]

Metal sucks and your mother is a whore.

[Cakelord]

Metal sucks and your mother is a whore.

My mother may be a whore but metal does not suck. Every genre is equally as good, it just depends on your personal taste, which can not be argued, as someone's opinion is theirs alone. In my opinion, you resort to personal attacks and name calling as a substitute for legitimate debate. I don't like Radiohead, and you can't debate that, because it's a fact that I don't like them.

Music is about 'sounding good'. No-one makes intentionally bad music and then says 'that was the POINT!' except maybe the artsy bands you hae so very much. As for me being closed minded, I'm the one who doesn't even like Radiohead but is still defending them against ignorant attack from someone who hasn't even listened to them. And I never said that Thom Yorke is a 'virtuoso instrumentalist', you're just making retarded extrapolations based on fuindamental lack of understanding. It's his VISION I respect and admire. I may be an asshole but it makes me no less right.

Does any member of Radiohead actually have much skill at all? If you've read the thread you'd know that I actually listened to some Radiohead, so you can't really call me uninformed. I'm not even going to bother with you, because any attacks you make on me are just broad assumptions based on Metal stereotypes. I'd suggest you remember that nobody's opinion is any more correct than anyone else's.

How does that change the fact that there are still too many soloes in metal? Finding small eceptions to general ideas does not defeat the established point. I still maintain that some bands don't over-exhibit their technical skills because doing so would make worse music.

Do you think there are too many solos in Jazz, Rock, Baroque, Concerto, Country, or Progressive? They all have just as many. Do you think Santana does too many solos? I cold say that I don't think your music has enough solos. And personally, I don't think Ska musicians show off enough, they could easily play more solos without compromising the music, in fact i think it'd add to the music, but that doesn't make me right. Keep in mind that I actually quite like Ska and Punk, so I'll have to look into Skacore. You think Metal musicians show off to much? That doesn't make you right either.

This paragraph makes no sense whatsoever in the context of a reply to what I wrote.

Have you considered that it wasn't a direct response to you?


Your entire argument thus far has consisted of, "No they're shit" just repeated in different forms over and over again. If you had provided reasons why you think they aren't good musicians, or why Thom Yorke has an irritating voice or anything like that I might bother replying to you properly and in full, but as it is there's really no point when all you do is turn around and repeat how shit you think it is and how you only listen to virtuosi because everyone else is shit, shit.

I don't like Thom Yorke's voice because it doesn't have enough presence or power. I don't like the lead guitar because it's messy, rough, sloppy, and I don't like to hear instruments being played that way. But I don't only listen to virtuosi, but I do prefer their work to that of untrained musicians. If a musician is at least competent then I've got no problem, but if I could definitely outperform them then I'm not going to be too impressed.

And your attacks on Metal have consisted pretty much of saying the entire genre is shit. I'm not going to ask you to lisen to anything, but at least have a glance over this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Primary_heavy_metal_subgenre s


But you got Metal wrong. Well, depends what type of metal you're into - admittedly some is all about partying hard. But then most people enjoy a good night out. But the metal scene is typically a less extreme continuation of punk in the sense that it's about doing whatever the hell you want to do.

Thank you, that's all I was looking for in regards to the Metal argument.

[Quadros]

Does any member of Radiohead actually have much skill at all? If you've read the thread you'd know that I actually listened to some Radiohead, so you can't really call me uninformed. I'm not even going to bother with you, because any attacks you make on me are just broad assumptions based on Metal stereotypes. I'd suggest you remember that nobody's opinion is any more correct than anyone else's.
At the time you made the statement I was replying to you hadn't, so I feel justified in saying what I said. Also having listened to them you wrote them off with your personal opinion (fair enough, but remember that YOUR opinions aren't objectively correct, so stop posting like they are) and glazed over the fact that all of your other allegations against them were incorrect. Smooth. Also my attacks may be generalisations of metal but they're also generally correct, and the fact that you keep throwing exceptions to general rules back is actually harming your argument more than anything else. You can 'not bother' with me anymore all you want, but it's pretty much impossible now or you to leave this debate with your head held high.



Do you think there are too many solos in Jazz, Rock, Baroque, Concerto, Country, or Progressive? They all have just as many. Do you think Santana does too many solos? I cold say that I don't think your music has enough solos. And personally, I don't think Ska musicians show off enough, they could easily play more solos without compromising the music, in fact i think it'd add to the music, but that doesn't make me right. Keep in mind that I actually quite like Ska and Punk, so I'll have to look into Skacore. You think Metal musicians show off to much? That doesn't make you right either.

I think that Santana is built around a brilliant guitarist and that therefore the solos are a cetral pillar to their sound. I think that Solos are also fundamental to Jazz's ideology and are important in allowing th progression in Progressive songs. I think that in barogue and concerto, where vocalists are not present, there's more than enough room for solos and I think country is made to be danced to and that the solos give more oppertunity to change the tempo or style of the dancers, and also that country music is lame. I also think that if you think ska and punk should use more solos then you don't get punk and ska music at all.


I don't like Thom Yorke's voice because it doesn't have enough presence or power. I don't like the lead guitar because it's messy, rough, sloppy, and I don't like to hear instruments being played that way. But I don't only listen to virtuosi, but I do prefer their work to that of untrained musicians. If a musician is at least competent then I've got no problem, but if I could definitely outperform them then I'm not going to be too impressed.
Clearly, you just don't understand the music. It's a horrible artsy tcliche but it appears in this cas to be true. Thom Yorke's voice is SUPPOSED to be quiet, fragile and emotional. The rough and ready sound is SUPPOSED to sound that way as an attack on the over produced clean and perfect sound in the consumeristic music industry. Radiohead was never about the technical brilliance of the individual musicians but about the ideas they were trying to convey through their music. Not just the emotions and the messages, but the new places they were taking their music in their ideas.

[exetra]

Hey guys I heard this song and it didn't have quadratic polyrhythms resolving to 11/16 time with a 15/8 offbeat in the scale of A major with extra notes hammered in so it must suck.

[Idioteque]

You see, you know someone has a valid opinion of music when they say something is like "being raped by a sandpaper condom". :hmm:

[Pelican Man]

I cold say that I don't think your music has enough solos. And personally, I don't think Ska musicians show off enough, they could easily play more solos without compromising the music, in fact i think it'd add to the music, but that doesn't make me right.

That's because you're not right. Generally (feel free to correct me here Quaddy) in ska, it gives the bass player a chance to shine. Metal is based around the guitarists' wankery, whereas ska has simple guitar parts, but it leaves a lot of room for the bass to be inspirational, which it usually takes advantage of. I think the problem here is that you're focusing far too much on the abilities of the guitarists, and not the band itself. Because heck, you're talking about ability, most metal vocalists are pretty shit. Some would say the ability of a vocalist is the catching point of a band, hence why they might prefer say soft rock to metal.

[Quadros]

Also Ska and punk are more about the chemistry between the band members, about the whole being greater than it's (admittedly basic at times) parts. Solos detract from that, because they artificially elevate the importance of one band member over the others.

[BKS]

If Cakelord just implied that the more solos in a song, the better it is, anything he said in this thread should be invalid. Music is about what sounds right to those who are listening it. Not everyone likes metal, not everyone likes ska, not everyone likes rap. BUT there are people who do. If you don't like a band, you can't say that the band sucks, because although you may think they do, there are countless people who will disagree.

So although you may think that our taste in music sucks, it isn't so. It is you who sucks, Cakelord. I fucking hate you.